From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #249 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 20 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 249 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Spoon of what? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Aung San Suu Kyi njc [Garret ] a sad day for Loudon -- njc [Smurf ] Re: a sad day for Loudon -- njc [Smurf ] Happy Father's Day, Part 2 (njc) [Brian Gross ] Happy Father's Day, (NJC) Five years on [Brian Gross ] Iraq, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] HOSL ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Early Coyote -- What a find!!! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Iraq, njc [Randy Remote ] RE: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Azeem" ] RE: Michael Jackson, NJC ["Azeem" ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Lori Fye ] Checking In Checking out (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Spoon of what? [djp ] njc, James Taylor ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Aimee Mann in Raleigh 6/18/5 - review (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Kiwi wins US Open! (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi [Lori Fye ] Re: Kiwi wins US Open! (NJC) [jrmco1@aol.com] See the Three... NBA - NJC [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi ["gene mock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:49:43 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Spoon of what? My guess, Walt, is cocaine. I think a lack of cocaine when one is addicted would make you tired more than heroin. I've never really known anyone who is addicted to cocaine but, have known plenty of heroin addicts and when they don't get any for a while, they're just very jittery. As cocaine puts you on more of a high (buzz), it stands to reason, you would become tired when you come down. That's my 2 cents. (2c Australian doesn't actually exist anymore) Mark in Sydney NP Edith and The Kingpin (Demo version) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:49:57 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Aung San Suu Kyi njc Today is the sixtieth birthday of Aung San Suu Kyi. There are many ways to mark this occasion. Damien Rice and Lisa Hannigan have released a single called "Unplayed Piano". He said: "When the US campaign For Burma asked me owuld I be interested in doing a show in New York with Ani Di Franco and David Byrne, in aid of Aung San Suu Kyi, I said yeah, absolutely. But they had to pull out, so it looked like i was going to be doing the show on my own, which I was fine with. But then i asked the campaign, why am I doing this show? If it was to make money, I'd rather just give them the money..... They said that creating awareness was more important just then. SO i asked, what do you think is the most powerful way for me to do that? ANd they said, you could write a song for Suu Kyi. That's what Lisa Hannigan and I did with "Unplaed Piano". I wanted the song to be universal, personal, and to come from a human and emotional, not a political, point of view. I wanted it to be an expression of loss, but with a huge amount of hope in that loss. Suu Kyi has so much potential that just hasn't been realised. The majority of people in Burma want her as their leader. She seems like somebody that the world could benefit from, if she were let out. And she has asked people outside Burma, 'Please, use your liberty to promote ours'. I seeit on a very simple level. The country asked for this woman and the army didn't allow it. I don't think that should be happening. I'm excited, because i feel there's a potential solution, and Suu Kyi is it. She's the unplayed piano". - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: a sad day for Loudon -- njc It's Father's Day! And though it may be a sad day in the Wainwright family, I hope it's a happy one for yours. - --Smurf NPIMH: "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and "Bloody Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: a sad day for Loudon -- njc Sorry if my attempt at humor caused confusion. NOTHING happened in the Wainwright family. This is just a Father's Day joke. "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and "Bloody Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha are scathing songs each wrote for their father, Loudon. Oh, well. Maybe Brad McMath laughed. - --Smurf - --- Smurf wrote: > It's Father's Day! > > And though it may be a sad day in the Wainwright > family, I hope it's a happy one for yours. > > --Smurf > > NPIMH: "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and "Bloody > Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Happy Father's Day, Part 2 (njc) >>Whenever your children are out of control, you can take comfort from the thought that even G-d's omnipotence did not extend to His own children. After creating heaven and earth, G-d created Adam and Eve. And the first thing he said was, "Don't." "Don't what?" Adam replied. "Don't eat the forbidden fruit." G-d said. "Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey, Eve. . . we have forbidden fruit!" "No way!" "Yes, way!" "Do NOT eat the fruit!" said G-d. "Why?" "Because I am your Father and I said so!" G-d replied, (wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants). A few minutes later, G-d saw His children having an apple break and was He ticked! "Didn't I tell you not to eat the fruit? " G-d, as our first parent, asked? "Uh huh," Adam replied. "Then why did you?" said the Father. "I don't know," said Eve. "She started it!" Adam said, "Did not!" "Did too!" "DID NOT! Having had it with the two of them, G-d's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own. Thus, the pattern was set and it has never changed! But there is reassurance in this story. If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give children wisdom and they haven't taken it, don't be hard on yourself. If G-d had trouble raising children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake for you? Advice for the day: If you have a lot of tension and you get a headache, do what it says on the aspirin bottle: "Take two aspirin" and "Keep away from children." << __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Happy Father's Day, (NJC) Five years on From a great distance, yet so near: > From: MGVal@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:00:57 EDT > Subject: Happy Father's Day, (NJC) > To: joni@smoe.org > > Besides the friendship and Joni connection, one thing that this list has > exposed me to are some great fathers. I had a very hard time with my father > growing up and my ex-husband has not seen his children for nearly 4 years. > From this, my "father" background is awfully lopsided. > > It has been such a thrill to meet and get to know some of the fathers on the > list. Whether they know it or not, they have enriched my life and gladdened > my heart to know that there ARE real, devoted and caring dads out there. > > Thanks to all of you - you know who you are. > > much love, > > MG ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:08:42 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Having thought it over for a day, I feel, Vince that your position has a good deal more merit than I originally credited it with. I don't think I made any personal remarks to or about you, though, and therefore I believe it was not inappropriate to post rather than mailing to you off-list DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:30:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Laura> If he did molest children, I would be similar to you toward him. I'm glad you understand me. Perhaps the difference is in differing perspectives toward the media. It is good to agree to disagree.< Hi Laura! This verdict of not guilty was because of this particular case where they did not have enough evidence to convict MJ beyond a reasonable doubt. At least one jury member was quoted as saying he thought MJ had probably molested children. Among the community here where MJ lives it is commonly believed that he is a child molester. Although the details are of course limited by confidentiality laws, I know people here who work in the field such as you & Lucy, who have enough information to believe MJ has gotten away with too much for far too long. Child molestation is pretty hard to prove because it is between what the child says & what the adult says. I can't imagine MJ will be living here for much longer. He's lives a very isolated life anyway on his Neverland Ranch. Unlike the zillions of other celebrities who live here & do go out in public, attend charity events, etc MJ is rarely or as far as I know never seen in public. I understand that the majority of his fans who stood outside the courtroom were from Europe so many here think that is where he will move to. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:37:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Iraq, njc Ever the cynical moderate, here are 2 quick opinions: 1. We know for sure that Iraq used WMD on more than 10,000 Kurds. (Yes, we found mass graves. It DID happen.) Since the US invasion didn't find a stockpile anywhere, he must have used every last bit on the Kurds. I can't think of a worse way to "clean house". 2. The New York Times interviewed a former captive of the insurgency. He said he quit the (new) Iraqi Army because of threats. 10 former peers in the Army have been killed by insurgents. He asked the interviewer for help to move his mother to a different home- the insurgents kidnapped him from his mother's house! In the end he said, "His town has always been a good place", he said, "but the militants have made it hell." I take this to mean his life (and that of his mother) were quieter under Hussein. The link is brand new today, Sunday so I believe it works for all JMDLers. (I still think getting headlines by email *from the NY Times* for free is a colossal no-brainer. These guys are a bit more balanced than TV news, eh? Your mileage may vary.) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/international/middleeast/19torture.html?th &emc=th We had a plan for war but no plan for peace. Which is more important? More lasting? Sincerely, Jim PS, I had to add "WMD" to the spell checker because the word isn't going to go away any time soon. np: Boston Jim's "Walking Man", a perennial favorite ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:50:03 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: HOSL Yeah, "mis-hearing" a lyric is an interesting phenomenon. I agree that the players on HOSL really made big contributions. A couple of months back I wrote something like "C&S had 20 somethings playing at jazz. On HOSL, Joni got accomplished jazz players and gave them some room to stretch out." I like the sidemen on HOSL much more. I love C&S too of course, but it's more of a producer's album. IMO, HOSL is more of a collaboration. It doesn't hurt that Joni's stories on HOSL were all about deep themes too. IMO, HOSL is a rich work of literature / music / visual art. It transcends pop music in every way. Sincerely, Jim Covington, KY Cornish Rob said, >Hissing through the years> Until last night, not being the most avid lyric-sheet pursuer, I had been labouring under the impression, on Edith and the Kingpin, which is one of my top five fave Jonis and which I have heard at least 1.75m times, that the line "Women he has taken/Grow old too soon" was in fact "Women he has taken/Though all too soon". I still prefer my original interpretation. Anyone out there heard the original demos of Hissing? Re-listening to the complete job last night reminded me the debt JM owes the musicians that, like Messrs Kay, Payne and Davis on Astral Weeks, transformed the bony blueprints into something absolutely unique. The extended fadeout to Edith and the Kingpin, and the way Boho Zone bleeds into Harry's House, struck me anew as utterly inspired.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:52:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! I am not able to download this...anyone else having problems? Solutions? >This week's MP3: Almost certainly the first ever public performance of "Coyote"! This was performed while Joni was traveling with the Rolling Thunder Revue in Augusta, Maine on November 26, 1975. Joni introduced the song by saying that she had written it "yesterday". Download it here: http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0TX88YUVCCH012L85WLBG7J3SM< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:40:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Iraq, njc Saddam did a lot of bad things. In the case of the Kurds, Bush I's people urged them to rise up against Hussein, pledging them support. The support never came, and the Kurds were massacred. And we know where Saddam got his chemical (and other) weapons. We still have the receipts. No stockpile because after that came the UN inspectors, who very effectively found and destroyed them, which was no easy task, since Saddam's people lied to them at every turn. I think you are right that Iraq was a less dangerous place in the immediate years before the current invasion. Saddam's reign of terror had wound down by then. We attacked an essentially de-fanged regime. It's also true that in earlier days, many tens of thousands of undesirables were killed, tortured, imprisoned and disappeared by the thug. Yes, while he was receiving support from the US. RR ps I'm sure being a member of the new Iraqi army is an incredibly dangerous job. After hearing first hand how under-equipped our own boys (and girls) are over there, I can just imagine how much worse it is for them. Now Iraq is strung out on us the same way we are strung out on their oil. "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Ever the cynical moderate, here are 2 quick opinions: > > 1. We know for sure that Iraq used WMD on more than 10,000 Kurds. (Yes, we > found mass graves. It DID happen.) Since the US invasion didn't find a > stockpile anywhere, he must have used every last bit on the Kurds. I can't > think of a worse way to "clean house". > > 2. The New York Times interviewed a former captive of the insurgency. He > said he quit the (new) Iraqi Army because of threats. 10 former peers in > the Army have been killed by insurgents. He asked the interviewer for help > to move his mother to a different home- the insurgents kidnapped him from > his mother's house! In the end he said, "His town has always been a good > place", he said, "but the militants have made it hell." > > I take this to mean his life (and that of his mother) were quieter under > Hussein. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:12:57 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: njc what is wrong with this picture David Lahm wrote: > Sorry, Vince, but your post reads to me like a personal attack rather > than part of a conversation. I refer to your words: And Vince replied: << Sorry David, I disagree with you. (And I note you call me out by name for calling someone out by name in direct response to that poster's post. You can do it and I can't?) >> David doesn't need me to defend him, but I have to say I couldn't disagree with you more, Vince. David wasn't objecting to the fact that you mentioned Kakki by name, but what you said about her, as I would have thought was blindingly obvious. Vince continued: << and this is as personal attack - as you could have emailed me off list - as what you flag me for. >> Nothing David said looked remotely like a personal attack on you, and I find your response disproportionately defensive. I would like to add that I have always found David's contributions to this list, whether on politics or other subjects, unfailingly pertinent, concise, politely expressed and free of ad hominem attacks - the same could not be said for many people on this list, me included. << You want me to leave this forum so those type of attacks can continue without comment or response, ask me and I will leave. But sing along with Aretha, whose zooming who here >> There is not the slightest suggestion that you should leave this forum. I don't know where you got that from. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:22:44 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Michael Jackson, NJC I wrote: << At one point you say that maybe he didn't actually share his bed with the boys; now you seem to be saying that maybe he did, but it's probably a really big bed, so that's OK then. Laura replied: << I didn't say it's probably a really big bed. LOL >> I don't find this funny, actually. It is what you implied. I find the size and type of his bed to be totally irrelevant, yet it seems to make a difference to you. I wrote: << despite behaviour that would be deemed highly suspicious and totally inappropriate in any other grown man >> Laura wrote: << I see inappropriate behavior and pedophilia as being potentially as different as homosexual and pedophile >> This is a very bizarre analogy. It implies to me that homosexuality is on a continuum with paedophilia. Either that or that inappropriate behaviour is NOT on a continuum with paedophilia, which in this context it most certainly IS - you've heard of grooming, right? What MJ was doing fits the definition of grooming to a T. I wrote: << [it's the fact that] you choose the most charitable interpretation for any dubious situation that I can't understand >> Laura wrote: << To me, this is a compliment. Thank you. >> I'm sorry, but I want to make it clear that it wasn't meant as a compliment, not in this context. More like defending the indefensible. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:33:29 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture >>I say to those who want to throw our country into further chaos and make our >>enemies ecstatic - go ahead - Maybe, just maybe, Kakki didn't intend *exactly* what she wrote above. Maybe Kakki should have written, "I say to those who *don't realize that it would*throw our country into further chaos and make our enemies ecstatic - go ahead -" I can't imagine Kakki believes that anyone WANTS to have chaos in the U.S., or wants to aid "the enemy." So maybe that's all it was, and people are getting bent out of shape over something being misphrased. Maybe? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:17:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Checking In Checking out (NJC) Hello All I am just checking in to say that I will be checking out for a few days (not that anyone will miss me cause I have been cloaked for a while). Anyways the progress on construction at my house is ongoing and we are still living like gypsies roaming from place to place. We have to move out of this apt. we are in and into another and we will not have internet, phone or cable for a few days. In the mean time I am available by cell and my work email if you need me (michael@pyramidaudio.net). My brother has been put back in the hospital in Detroit with pneumonia and the cancer has spread all over. He is very grouchy and uncomfortable. Please pray for the Lord to go easy on him. My dad is recovering from breaking his vertebrae and is also in pretty bad shape at the moment. In other news I heard a very disturbing report from Jack yesterday that Christina has been deported back to Denmark. We were all suppose to play a peace rally organized by Brian Stoltz yesterday and that is when Jack found out. Sam Price was not able to be there either because one of the percussion players in his band died a couple days ago and they buried him yesterday. I have no other details about Christina but when I do I will pass them on to someone like Julius to pass on to you guys. Hop everyone is well and my thoughts and prayers are with you during these troubled times we are in. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:30:30 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: Spoon of what? At 02:49 AM 6/19/2005, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: >My guess, Walt, is cocaine. Me, too. I've never done heroin, but I used to do coke fairly regularly, and the lines in the last stanza just seem like coke to me: the wires humming in the walls, the reference to snow, and especially the sentiment "his crime belongs." (like somewhere you know it's completely fucked up - a crime, but it just seems so right anyway) djp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:54:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, James Taylor Buenos dias, Joni-amigos! I saw James Taylor Friday night in Hartford -- the first show of his summer tour. He was warm and gracious and grateful and happy to be there, seemed to me. Alas, though, no Joni mentions. Can't have everything, I guess! He is going to be on the "Today" show (NBC) tomorrow (7 a.m. EST) and Tuesday morning (performing at Rockefeller Plaza), if anyone is interested. Guess I'll be late to the workplace! ; ) Here is a good review from the Hartford Courant: Taylor Projects Mellow Charm June 19, 2005 By THOMAS KINTNER, Special to the Courant James Taylor's musical reliance upon nuance and subtle feeling would make it seem that he is a bad fit for generally impersonal large venues, but his ability to project those qualities to sizable audiences has always served his material well. Friday night, he opened his summer tour at the ctnow.com Meadows Music Theater in Hartford, and lavished an abundance of his still-potent mellow charm on a captivated audience with a classy, first-rate performance. Taylor's brand of showmanship is stylistically earthbound, understated in ways that allowed him to glide nonchalantly into his program with the supple "Secret O' Life," a lightly ringing synthesizer accompaniment married to his lone acoustic guitar. The mood set, he brought on his full seven-piece band and three backup vocalists and eased into the airy, flute-edged bounce of "Summer's Here." Taylor was accommodating enough to sign autographs from the stage during the show, but not so slavish to fan desires that his set list was predictable. He left out several notable songs from his catalog, "You've Got a Friend" among them, opting instead for the less obvious, idyllic storytelling of "On the 4th of July" and a chipper, soulful cover of the Dixie Chicks tune "Some Days You Gotta Dance." Taylor remains capable, at 57, of enveloping lyrics with vocal tenderness, a quality he emanated freely whether he was putting a refined spin on "Handy Man" atop the sturdy harmonies of his vocal backups, or strolling through the delicately powerful environs of "Fire and Rain" as a closer to the first of his two sets. He was capable of commanding attention amid the full-bodied arrangement of the agreeably buoyant "Mexico," but made an equally strong impression with the wistful restraint that marked "Carolina in My Mind." Taylor noted that his fiddle-laced "Sweet Baby James" was a cowboy song at heart, but his placid manner defined the tune in ways that made it very much like the slender pop folk pulse of "Never Die Young." That unifying approach gave his performance continuity but never made his material repetitive, and he had plenty of tasteful, well-placed support from a strong band that included drummer Steve Gadd, whose robust playing anchored the big finish of "Country Roads." Taylor closed with a run of elongated favorites, including the smooth, horn-plumped blues of "Steamroller," and a loose, ebullient take on "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)" that built to a revival-style crescendo. A pair of encores stretched the show to 25 tunes, and was highlighted when Taylor returned with an acoustic guitar and his vocal trio in tow for an elegantly harmonized turn on "You Can Close Your Eyes." Understated and restrained, it was nonetheless fashioned with warmth that did not dissipate as it spread around the room. - ------ I hope all you fathers are having a great day. Children who have Joni-Dads are lucky people, seems to me! Love, Patti ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:05:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/19/2005 2:22:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, atel79@dsl.pipex.com writes: << I didn't say it's probably a really big bed. LOL >> I don't find this funny, actually. It is what you implied. I find the size and type of his bed to be totally irrelevant, yet it seems to make a difference to you. Hi Azeem, I was imaging and really didn't think of the size of the bed in doing so. This brings to my mind that game where people sit in a circle and a person whispers something to the person next to him or her, and that person whispers what they thought they heard to the next person who whispers what they thought they heard to the next and so on around a circle of about 20 people, and when what was said reaches the last person, that person says it out loud, and what is spoken is very different from what the first person said. I interpret what you say and you interpret what I say. So, having a chance to clarify it to each other is good. I was just imagining what Michael's bed might be like because just like we don't know what it is like, we don't know what a lot of things with regard to him are like. There's a lot of conjecture. I was conjecturing. I wrote: << despite behaviour that would be deemed highly suspicious and totally inappropriate in any other grown man >> Laura wrote: << I see inappropriate behavior and pedophilia as being potentially as different as homosexual and pedophile >> This is a very bizarre analogy. It implies to me that homosexuality is on a continuum with paedophilia. Yes, that is exactly what I was saying... some people actually think that homosexuality is on a continuum with pedophilia. To me that is as ridiculous as thinking inappropriate childish behavior is on a continuum with pedophilia. I wrote: << [it's the fact that] you choose the most charitable interpretation for any dubious situation that I can't understand >> Laura wrote: << To me, this is a compliment. Thank you. >> I'm sorry, but I want to make it clear that it wasn't meant as a compliment, not in this context. More like defending the indefensible. I didn't think you meant it as a compliment. That's okay. I took it as a compliment. I understand what you think of Michael Jackson, and I think I understand what you think of me. So in my opinion our discussion has been a good one. Every body is entitled to their own opinion, and we don't have to agree, but it is good to understand each other. Thanks for discussing this with me Azeem. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:09:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Aimee Mann in Raleigh 6/18/5 - review (NJC) Aimee Mann's performance last night at the North Carolina Museum of Art outdoors was excellent. The song choices, the banters, the jokes with the audience, the false starts with two songs and the generally appreciative crowd that saluted the genius of Aimee Mann. She came to the stage at exactly 9:15, 30 minutes later than Ben Lee's opening act. A word or two on Ben Lee -- while it is probably difficult to generate a warm applause from the audience as majority of the concert-goers may have been there because of Mann, Ben Lee got a standing ovation after his performance. I confess that I don't know anything about his music, save for his goofy turn in the Aussie movie Lake Placid. But his energetic style, self-deprecating humor and a well-chosen repertoire that seems to build up on the energy of the live performance, are infectious and I guess it is true what most people said that opening acts usually make you want to discover the artist's oeuvre more than you care to admit. I was tempted to buy a CD of his and join the queque of people lining up to have him sign his autograph. But I thought that I will have to listen more to his recorded output first before deciding whether I want him to emboss my CD's jewel case with his signature. In retrospect, the more I think of it and the the more his music stays in mind, I should have trusted my instinct and have him sign my CD if only to tell myself in the future that I "discovered" an artist before he became ultra-famous. Lastly, I like his refreshing candor when, awed by the warmth of the audience's response, he said that in NY, people don't clap their hands. While that info may be an exaggeration, Ben Lee makes it sound real and appealingly childlike without appearing bitter and sore. But Aimee Mann's magic is something else. Dressed in a spaghetti-strapped apple-green top, she took command of the stage the entire time she was on. She segued into songs that her fans may want to hear her sing and at the same time weave those songs in the fabric of the concept of her latest album The Forgotten Arm. I bought that album before the concert if only to derive a vicarious thrill of hearing these songs performed live and discern some nuanced phrasing from her. While she did not really veer much away from the songs' melody, I realize that the live performance always manages to make one visualize how songs are sung in real time and in sync with the musicians' inspired playing. The keyboardist in particular appeared like a possessed musician when he was riffling through his keyboards during each song's performance. From where I sit, he looks like a Dr Caligari with an intense desire to flesh out the nuances of the song. Very impressive. The drummer and the guitarists share an almost psychic-level communication when driving the musical narrative of the songs. Mann's close-miked rendition of songs offer an immediacy and intimacy to the whole proceedings. That husky and almost fragile vibrato that she used when hitting a high note are indescribably affecting. When she was introduced as "America's great artist" she said that she feels like Andrew Wyeth. I like Driving Sideways and her hilarious send-up of Freebyrd. Best of all is her impassioned version of Harry Nilsson's One that seems livelier than the version heard in the soundtrack of Magnolia. Speaking of Magnolia, when Mann introduced the song Save Me to the delighted shrieks of the audience, she quipped: "I lost the Oscar to Phil Collins who sang a song from a cartoon movie." Then she added: "But that's okay, Sarah McLachlan and Randy Newman lost too". The weather cooperated in last evening's performance that grew a tad chilly towards the concert's conclusion. I thought it was a nice touch to have two blimp-like balloons that appear like huge moons hiding behind the trees. The waxing gibbous moon was somewhere in the cloudy sky, but the two quasi-moons created an atmosphere of serenity, of community. The lighting was used to best effect to highlight (pun intended) the band and Mann as she sings soulfully on some tracks. It is as if a musical scoring is in effect. The more amazing aspect of it is the synchronized use of light as a musical accent to the dramaturgical reenactment of songs that are performed onstage. As though the guy who was tasked to light the band, knew the songs' lyrics by heart and used the illumination as objective correlative to the songs' meanings. There were not enough people dancing although I agree with Mann that dance is not the thing that comes to mind when one hears a Mann song (although I automatically sway in my seat when I hear Susan from her Bachelor No. 2 album). But two girls from the audience did not let that fact deter them from swaying to the cadence of the music. The three kids dancing were spritely and energetic and their dancing (which is really jumping while holding glow-sticks) seem to provide a homey feel to the whole proceedings. Ultimately, it is Mann's warming up to the audience that is really the price of admission for me. There were some moments of timing glitches that had Mann laughingly explain how even those unforeseen events could mar a professional singer's performance. I thought it brought a level of authenticity and offers the audience a rare glimpse of how musicians make do in situations that are far from perfect. The songs that Mann chose to cover from her latest album The Forgotten Arm are interestingly interwoven with background stories. She did not sing all the songs from the album in chronological order but provided a little bit of side-story to the song's conception. It is like a musical storytelling with occasional detours. The intersection of music, concept, and the story within the song is akin to a cabaret performance where structure and nuance are key. Her versions of I Can't Help You Anymore, Little Bombs and Video are easily the stand-outs. With The Forgotten Arm, Mann seems to top herself each time with each album release. The erudition, the literate-ness, and the almost Gertude Stein-ian repetitions of words are in excellent accord with the way she seems conversant with the common-speak that common people use to express themselves. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Jan Daley - "Skylark" - from Something Old, Something New - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Is the risk worth the reward? (USA residents only) Joni-related content http://www.vh1.com/interact/sweepstakes/joni_mitchell_collections/index.jhtml They want to know everything except your social security number and your mother's maiden name. Rings warning bells for me. Be well everyone, Brian Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:12:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi Hell, This goes out to you especially! Since there have been posts about the US basketball finals, I just wanted to give a big cheers to New Zealand's Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:20:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi Ooops, I accidentally hit the send before I was finished. LOL Hell, This goes out to you especially! Since there have been posts about the US basketball finals, I just wanted to give a big cheers to New Zealand's Michael Campbell for winning the US Open golf championship. I know you're a golfer Hell, so I know that New Zealand is so happy that this great man won today. I'm not a golfer, but enjoy watching the big tournaments. He was a true gentleman, and I'm so happy for him and the the rest of New Zealand! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:19:11 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Kiwi wins US Open! (NJC) Congratulations to Michael Campbell, the first Kiwi to win a major golf tournament since Bob Charles won the British Open in 1963. Campbell held off a charging Tiger Woods to win the US Open at Pinehurst by 3 shots.... Hell - celebrating in NZ (but wishing I was celebrating on the golf course, rather than in the office!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi Subject: Re: Kiwi wins US Open! (NJC) Hell, Mary and I were watching the U.S. Open, and we were thrilled to see Campbell win, and your name came up in conversation many times. Congrats to Michael Campbell and to New Zealand!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:34:03 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi > He was a true gentleman, and I'm so happy for him and the the rest of New Zealand! I was touched that Michael Campbell cried after he sank his last putt. I thought that was touching, not to mention kinda cool. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:34:20 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Kiwi wins US Open! (NJC) Congratulations, Hell, and Kiwis everywhere! Campbell was unflappable! Clearly, this is his destiny. He earned it. His play was stellar today. When he tapped in I started my Whale Rider dance! Which was fun, 'til I bit my own wagging tongue. Congratulations, all the same, Mike Campbell and New Zealand! That was quality golf. Fun to watch. Alright now. GO SPURS! - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: hell@ihug.co.nz To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:19:11 +1200 Subject: Kiwi wins US Open! (NJC) Congratulations to Michael Campbell, the first Kiwi to win a major golf tournament since Bob Charles won the British Open in 1963. Campbell held off a charging Tiger Woods to win the US Open at Pinehurst by 3 shots.... Hell - celebrating in NZ (but wishing I was celebrating on the golf course, rather than in the office!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:37:02 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: See the Three... NBA - NJC ...BE THE THREEEEE!!!!! ROBERT HORRY!!! Woohoo!!! Spurs win!!! The Spurs win!!! They didn't put anybody on "Big Shot Bob" in the final seconds?! What was Rasheed Wallace doing on that play?!? Holy sh**. Larry brown's calling it "miscommunication." My vote for understatement of the year. Great game though, Detroit. Great game. Congratulations, San Antonio Spurs! One more at home, baby! One more! - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:27:29 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi before he cried he looked skyward and thank the maiori spirit for putting the "jujub" on the other players-----------that i thought was touching too! congrats all you jmdl kiwis, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: NJC Congratulations to the Kiwi > > He was a true gentleman, and I'm so happy for him and the the rest of New > Zealand! > > I was touched that Michael Campbell cried after he sank his last putt. I > thought that was touching, not to mention kinda cool. > > Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #249 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)