From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #246 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 18 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 246 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Kakki" ] Re: Thanks to all, an update, and revenge of the spliff (njc) [littlebree] Re: cordless headphones NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: cordless headphones NJC [Em ] Joni and basketball ["Patti Parlette" ] (no subject) [Dflahm@aol.com] Sean njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] NJC Paul Anka [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC Paul Anka [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC Paul Anka [Bob Muller ] Touring: Springsteen, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: NJC Paul Anka ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] NJC Dylan's honorary doctorate ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: TIME Joni carricature [Em ] Re: TIME Joni carricature [Randy Remote ] Re: Michael Jackson Some possible other thoughts NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Touring: Springsteen, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Kakki" ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Kakki" ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:13:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Randy wrote: > Maybe it's in the British news, (since it has rocked the foundations of > their government) but American television and newspapers are pretty much > not reporting on it at all. The major networks are pretty much moving > to things like the MJ/Martha Stewart type stuff. > Censorship, I think they call it. I don't think it's censorship - I've read a few reports about it but frankly, to me, it's the same old same old, ever relentless try to get Bush deal. I think a lot of people, even if they didn't vote for Bush are really tiring of it at this point. There has also been so much false stuff thrown up at him for 5 years now, that it has become like crying wolf one too many times. There is a skepticism at this point and a feeling that "there they go again" trying to dredge up anything, and in this case, old repeated accusations against him. I wouldn't be surprised if news outlets are not making it a story at the top of the news because people have complained about the constant "get Bush" themes that end up going nowhere and are at some point are demoralizing to constantly be subjected to. I realize those who are so opposed to him think it is worthy news, but there are many others who have researched and hashed these issues over and over and ultimately find "no there, there." It's like let's move on and find real substantive news. It's clear to me and I am satisfied with the conclusions that we apparently had some bad intelligence and based our foreign policy on it for years, long before Bush became Prez. Whether or not one thinks the Iraq action was right, there has been good accomplishments that have come from it. I don't think most Americans are in any mood to start up some divisive impeachment with hunt at this point. Sorry - just another opinion. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:25:28 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Thanks to all, an update, and revenge of the spliff (njc) Hi, gang, Don'yt know what's going on, but I sent individual thankyou e-mails to all who sent their various prayers and regards to me and Robert yesterday, and half of them -- I think all of those from aol, so maybe the problem lay there -- bounced back. So: Thanks to all who have sent their prayers and healing thoughts and such our way. Alas, today, since Robert seemed to be sleeping nicely, I went with a friend to see Revenge of the Lithp (or whatever the last installment of Star Wars is called). I had my cell phone turned off, and was surprised/alarmed to see that there were four messages received during the movie. They were all from Robert, whose fever had returned with a vengeance and who was getting increasingly concerned. I asked the friend I was with if he could drive both of us (R&me) to the ER, and he said yes, but then Robert said he really wanted a couple of prescriptions from the clinic, and we should go there and get them first, then come and get him, etc. This became moot, as, naturally, Tom's car stalled in midtown traffic (it was rush hour); I apologized to Tom for my abruptness, grabbed my backpack and dashed between speeding cars until I was on the sidewalk, then dashed three blocks to an express bus to Kaiser Perm. Finally got there, stood in line half an hour, got the Rx, caught another bus, and finally, just as I was three blocks from home, got a call from Robert -- who was now at the ER (a block from where I'd gotten his Rx). He'd been unable to reach me by cell while I was in the medical building, and our neighbor, alarmed at R's condition, had insisted on driving him there. Arrggghhhh. Robert couldn't talk long (he couldn't use his cell, of course, in an ER), but I finally got through to him via the hospital's landline. This time, they suspected that it was appendicitis all along (he'd been diagnosed with pneumonia on Sunday). He said I should wait until it seemed clear he was going to be admitted. That came soon enough, and I caught a cab there, although ultimately it turned out *not* to be appendicitis, just Extreme Not Having An Immune System. So now, 2:15 a.m., we're both back home, I'm fine (unless you count stress, haha, heehee, to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time...), and Robert, although frail and wan, is still among us. Revenge of the Stiff was okay, btw, certainly better than the last two. Again, thanks to all for your positive vibes. I'll get through this, and who knows, maybe Robert will, too. love to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > > --- littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > > > > <> > > > > Catherine, what a delightfully misanthropic site! > > LOL! -- Thanks, I needed that! > > > > Love, > > > > Walt > > It is really bitchy, isn't it? LOL! > > And you can bet your sweet ass that I'll be praying > for Robert and you. Keep your strength going and keep > the faith. All my best wishes and love to both of you. > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:38:44 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: cordless headphones NJC >>Anybody totally a fan of cordless headphones? Anyone hate them? thx :) em<< I bought some and was happy with them until I started getting static and taxi dialogues breaking through the music. The first time it happened there was nearly a laundry incident; scared the bejabbers out of me. mike in bvds np Godley & Crhme - Ismism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: cordless headphones NJC thanks mike and Randy and Bob, I appreciate the input. hehehehhh, that's almost a pun? or ? "Input", get it? you know, like a plug and a hole...??? lol, sorry not funny - I know...my brain is fried... Bob, glad to hear your Advents are working out well for you. :) Em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>Anybody totally a fan of cordless headphones? Anyone hate them? > thx :) > em<< > > I bought some and was happy with them until I started getting static > and taxi dialogues breaking through the music. The first time it > happened there was nearly a laundry incident; scared the bejabbers > out of me. > mike in bvds > np Godley & Crhme - Ismism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:28:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni and basketball (Tone here is TOTALLY light-hearted, okay mes ami(e)s?) Ah, Julius, my sweet Joni amigo -- you owe me an apology, BIG TIME! A few days ago you chided and chastized me thusly: "I'm all yours and UCONN's, sweet Patti Parlette, if the Huskies are in the NCAA Final Four and my Stanford ain't. But when it's SHOWTIME in the pros, it's every man for himself, every woman on her own! There's no "Joan" in NBA basketball, babe. This is Big Boy School! :-) " And so I think to myself, "Patti, maybe you really HAVE gone over the edge with your JOMCD, as your friends and family tell you. Better step back. Maybe you and Joni have no business in "Big Boy School" where the wild things run really fast. Knowing your attitude's all wrong you've got to change, and it's not easy." So, I put myself up in a sterilized room. But soft! What light through yonder window breaks? I am NOT twisted after all! Woke up, it was a Detroit morning, and the first thing that I saw was the Joni sun in Julius's post: "Now this JC from the newswire. I guess there *is* some Joni in NBA basketball after all. - - -Julius ________ The Return of the Zen Master With his surprising return to coach the Los Angeles Lakers, Phil Jackson inherits a weak, dispirited team, including one Kobe Bryant. WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY Newsweek Updated: 4:52 p.m. ET June 16, 2005 June 16 - Hollywood sequels seldom rise to the level of the original production, and Phil Jackson?s return to coach the Los Angeles Lakers and Kobe Bryant doesn?t figure to be an exception. We sportswriters have had more than our fair share of fun abusing Detroit Pistons Coach Larry Brown for his wandering ways. The man certainly does, as the old Joni Mitchell song goes, ?got the urge for going.? ......" Huh? Huh? What'd I tell ya? HA! SEE???? I knew what was happening! I knew I was a genius! What's so strange when you know that there is something of Joni in EVERYONE, just at this moment of the world!!! Seek, my brothers and sisters, and ye shall find Joni in all things! And now to be a tad more serious: I'm watching these games and have become totally fickle. I don't even know who I'm rooting for anymore ("And it's one, two, three, who are we rooting for?...."). Feeling too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned....I guess it's too early, 'cause I don't know where I stand. At first I was all for my Rip and his Pistons, but then along comes Julius! We have had a beautiful communion in cyberspace and on the telephone lately ("...telephone, even the sound of your voice is still new, all alone in Connecticut and talking to you....."), which is such a joy to me. He comes for conversation, and he comforts me sometimes. And then he tells me how much he loves his Spurs and how he went to games with his Dad (father/son "Field of Dreams" sap gets me everytime) so I really don't know where I stand in this series. I really don't know! I don't know...... But hey, it's just a game. I do agree that the Downing Street memo should get more of the spotlight. "The world is full of madmen and shortsighed money-mongers. Mandela, Tutu, the Dalai Lama -- other than them, the world is totally lacking in great men." Yep. Joni nails it again. Happy Friday everyone! Lots of love, Patti NPOMTV: Ringo and pals rockin' on Good Morning America. Good ole Ringo! Looks like he's having a ball. And he is singing: We all live in our Joni submarine, Joni submarine, Joni submarine We all live in our Joni submarine, Joni submarine,Joni submarine. As we live a life of ease Everyone of us has all we need Sky of BLUE and sea of (a little) green In our Joni submarine. Yeah, those are the words I'm hearing....lol! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:38:56 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Kakki, you wrote: It's clear to me and I am satisfied with the conclusions that we apparently had some bad intelligence and based our foreign policy on it for years, long before Bush became Prez. But isn't the point being made by some critics, currently, that during Bush's administration something like the opposite occurred: the policy came first and the "intelligence" was (choose a word) required/edited/misinterpreted to conform to the policy? I believe it will be many years before a consensus is even approached about whether it was prudent/realistic to try forcibly remaking Iraq into a society more resembling US-style capitalist-democracy. A consensus about the moral status of such a venture will probably NEVER exist. Bush et al, however, are responsible for the inadequate force levels in 2003 which allowed the insurgency to take root and flourish. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:10:50 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Sean njc Back in the day (way back in the day), my then wife and I found great joy in John and Oko Lennons's album Starting Over and I especially found great meaning in the song "Beautiful Boy" about Sean Lennon, and sang the song oiften to my own son Jeremy. Since then divorce and other things have separated what was once my family. My grandson Gage, the joy of my life, is the son of Jeremy and it may not have helped the cause of family reconciliation that I am very close to Gage's mother, who is a long ago ex-girlfriend of Jeremy. Jeremy is in the Marines and is stationed in Okinawa. I recently learned that Jeremy has gotten married in Okinawa. I just learned that Jeremy and Myomi have a new son, born June 12 as I understand, and his name is: Sean. Please celebrate in whatever way you do the birth of my third grandson Sean, invoking blessings upon Sean, Jeremy, and Myomi. Also ask whatever diety or force outside of ourselves that you may acknowledge to somehow bring Jeremy and me back together because I sure want to meet and know Sean and Myomi and I want my son back too. Also ask for whatever it is that Gage needs because it is tough on him that Jeremy has (by Jeremy's choice) limited contact with Gage and now there is a half-brother out there that will get all of Jeremy's attention. Sean. Beautiful Boy. I now have three grandsons! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:44:36 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Paul Anka I doubt anyone has heard Paul Anka's new CD "Rock Swings," but it's a hoot. He has a lovely orchestra backing him while he sings rock songs. It's so campy, but I actually like it. He sings like a Bill Murray "lounge singer", so you CAN'T even recognize some of the songs..........like Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" LOL Here's the list of songs, but go to amazon.com and listen to the samples. It will be a party favorite for everyone. :~) 1. It's My Life 2. True 3. Eye of the Tiger 4. Everybody Hurts 5. Wonderwall 6. Blackhole Sun 7. It's a Sin 8. Jump 9. Smells Like Teen Spirit 10. Hello 11. Eyes Without a Face 12. Lovecats 13. Way You Make Me Feel 14. Tears in Heaven Happy Friday! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:09:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Well, (surprise) I must disagree on pretty much all counts. I have seen virually nothing in the media during Bush's presidency that was even remotely 'out to get him', save the occasional op-ed piece. (Compare this to the Clinton inquisition over a blowjob). The 'this is nothing but the same old Bush foes' is what the Fox-type talking heads are saying to minimize a scandal in which our president fixed intellegence to fit a previously fashioned agenda to invade Iraq, and lied bald-faced to the American people and to Congress. These are impeachable offenses, along with a deliberate dismantling of Clinton's preventative anti-terrorist measures that could have prevented 9/11.. The Downing St Memos confirms with proof what people have been saying all along. (In case someone doesn't know, the Downing St Memos are actual minutes of meetings in which the highest levels of British government were told in no uncertain terms, one year before the invasion, that it was going to happen. Blair explained that the UK would be participating along with the US, and that intellegence would be "fixed" to support this plan). Of course, UN weapons inspectors, (who declared, upon announcement of the Iraq invasion that they could certify in 30 days that Iraq had no WMD's), the CIA and experts and operatives in the region all knew there were no WMD's, that we should be going after bin laden, who had no connection with Saddam (enemies), that Iraq was not a hotbed of anti-US terrorists, unlike other places (can you say Saudi Arabia, where the 9/11 gang came from?). If, somehow, this scandal manages to bubble through the surface of the corporate media, and threaten Bush's presidency, I think you can expect one thing: Bush will invade Iran. Destract. Lie. Divide. I expect that these words are written promenently on Karl Rove's wall. Kakki wrote: > It's like let's move on and find real substantive > news. But the Jackson trial is over! RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC Paul Anka What a great idea! Now maybe all the easy-listening types from the days of yore will be doing the same, much like when all the female singers started performing standards with orchestras after Carly Simon or Linda Ronstadt did it first. - --Smurf FMYFL@aol.com wrote: I doubt anyone has heard Paul Anka's new CD "Rock Swings," but it's a hoot. He has a lovely orchestra backing him while he sings rock songs. It's so campy, but I actually like it. He sings like a Bill Murray "lounge singer", so you CAN'T even recognize some of the songs..........like Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" LOL Here's the list of songs, but go to amazon.com and listen to the samples. It will be a party favorite for everyone. :~) 1. It's My Life 2. True 3. Eye of the Tiger 4. Everybody Hurts 5. Wonderwall 6. Blackhole Sun 7. It's a Sin 8. Jump 9. Smells Like Teen Spirit 10. Hello 11. Eyes Without a Face 12. Lovecats 13. Way You Make Me Feel 14. Tears in Heaven Happy Friday! Jimmy "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Paul Anka - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I doubt anyone has heard Paul Anka's new CD "Rock > Swings," but it's a hoot. > He has a lovely orchestra backing him while he sings > rock songs. It's so > campy, but I actually like it. He sings like a Bill > Murray "lounge singer", so > you CAN'T even recognize some of the > songs..........like Nirvana's "Smells Like > Teen Spirit" LOL > On the first sample or two I listened to, I didn't find it nearly as cheesy as I was expecting it to be. But, after listening to one after the other, it's a bit gag-inducing. "Eye of the tiger" made me chuckle. I've never liked that song, so Anka's version is probably an improvement. Hearing him croon "boiling heat, summer stench" from "Blackwall Sun" was a bit much. Likewise, "Teen spirit" - oy! "Love cats" is definitely unrecognizable. It would be a great CD to buy someone as a joke - either someone who is a total headbanger (ask them if they recognize anything) or conversely someone who claims no good songs have been written since 1940-something (when they say they like "Wonderwall", for example, tell them who wrote it.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:13:48 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Kakki wrote: > Whether or not one thinks the Iraq action was right, there has been good accomplishments that have come from it. However, do the number of good accomplishments outshine the rest of the disaster? Seriously, what is the weight of the pros vs. cons of this war? > I don't think most Americans are in any mood to start up some divisive impeachment with hunt at this point. Maybe not at this point, but as the deaths continue to mount, perhaps there will be enough Americans who have lost sons and daughters and spouses and friends (be they American or Iraqi or another nationality) to start a real impeachment process. I mean, we impeached Clinton over what amounted to a few blowjobs, and, oh yeah, his lie to the grand jury ... Let's see ... lies about sex or lies that led to massive amounts of killing ... which do you think deserves more attention? > Sorry - just another opinion. No need to apologize, Kakki. We're all entitiled to our say. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Paul Anka As a covers nut I believe ya, Jimbo...I wouldn't ever buy a CD like that, but the concept is a hoot and it's always a fun thing to sneak into a mix during a party and just watch to see who recognizes the songs done in the lounge fashion. Too bad it's NJC, I guess Joni Mitchell doesn't have any metal/grunge stuff that fit the mold here, unless you count the Nazareth version of TFT, but then you just end up with Joni's original! Happy Friday to you too! Bob NP: David Gray, "Late Night Radio" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Touring: Springsteen, njc Ticketron says he'll be at Cincinnati's hockey arena on Aug1. The artist is "Bruce Springsteen" with no mention of a band. Tickets prices range from $78 to $88 USD. What the heck? If I sit in the back of the concrete and tin shack, they STILL charge me $78 plus $13 for the privilege of buying the ticket? If I take a date it's $180 without parking or dinner? When he toured by himself for the Tom Joad record, it was smaller (better sounding) venues. This time around it's apparently the Boss by himself in a hockey arena for $91: take it or leave it. "Say it ain't so, Bruce. Say it ain't so." Jim Covington, KY PS, I could almost buy a tank of gasoline for $91. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC Paul Anka The one and only time I ever was in Vegas my friend dragged me to a Paul Anka show because I didn't want to go. But his show was wonderful. We also went to restaurant/nightclub he owned called Jubilation and had the best Italian meal I have ever had outside of my mother's. Jerry np: Antony and the Johnsons - Deeper Than Love This guy is spectacular ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:03:08 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NJC Dylan's honorary doctorate http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3830099.stm I stumbled onto this old news item this week. Perhaps this was already discussed on the list, if so, I missed it. Seems that Dylan was awarded an honorary doctorate of music from a Scottish university in June of 2004, just a few months before Joan showed up to collect hers in Montreal. Hmmm. Any connection here ;- ) ? Michael in Quebec NP: Veda Hille, Return of the Kildeer _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:32:57 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: TIME Joni carricature Michael in Quebec wrote: > Anyone seen this? > > http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020301/154117__joni_l.jpg That's kinda cool! Thanks, Michael! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: TIME Joni carricature and holding an acoustic guitar, as if to suggest she were a FOOOOOOOOOOOLKSINGER!!!!!!!! arrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! :P em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Michael in Quebec wrote: > > > Anyone seen this? > > > > http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020301/154117__joni_l.jpg > > That's kinda cool! Thanks, Michael! > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:45:05 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: TIME Joni carricature It's even a slot-headed folk guitar-something she has never played. Em wrote: > and holding an acoustic guitar, as if to suggest she were a > FOOOOOOOOOOOLKSINGER!!!!!!!! > arrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! > :P > em > > --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > Michael in Quebec wrote: > > > > > Anyone seen this? > > > > > > http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020301/154117__joni_l.jpg > > > > That's kinda cool! Thanks, Michael! > > > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:24:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson Some possible other thoughts NJC Lucy >As a one-time worker for Britains largest childrens Charity I am horrified with the trial in the first place.< And tonight, a half a mile from my home, at the monstrosity they call the chumash casino... MJ will give a special performance for his special supporters... my, how quickly he's recovered from being so sickly & weak & unable to get out of his pjs... wearing a back brace & making so many ER visits for his back problems (the ER instead of calling a private physician or chiropracter like most people, especially celebrities would do?)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:50:57 -0500 From: patti haskins Subject: NJC-too funny speaking of Bush........ http://www.stupid.com/stat/WDEK.html Patti in Dallas NP-early Jethro Tull ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Touring: Springsteen, njc - --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Ticketron says he'll be at Cincinnati's hockey arena > on Aug1. The > artist is "Bruce Springsteen" with no mention of a > band. > > Tickets prices range from $78 to $88 USD. What the > heck? If I sit in > the back of the concrete and tin shack, they STILL > charge me $78 plus > $13 for the privilege of buying the ticket? I was just bitching about the same thing the other day. Bruce by himself, Air Canada Centre (big honkin' hockey arena). Ticket prices? $90-110 (CDN), so about the same as what they want in Cinci. That's not counting service charges, convenience fees and what-all else they add. I guess I'll wait until another time to see Bruce, like, after I win the lottery. Anyhow, if it's Devils and Dust, it's not doing much for me anyway. So, meh! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:50:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Randy, excuse me while I scream and it's nothing personal. How many times have we had this debate? How many endless times have I posted links here to the U.S./UN policy and general consensus on intelligence that occurred for OVER 12 YEARS BEFORE BUSH BECAME PRESIDENT? THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ACTED ON THE SAME INTELLIGENCE AND REPORTS FROM THE U.N. THAT HAD BEEN RELIED UPON FOR YEARS BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AND THE U.N. IT'S ALL OUT THERE ON THE HISTORICAL RECORD AND IN THE 9/11 COMMISSION AND OTHER REPORTS. THAT IS WHY IT SEEMS TOTALLY CONCOCTED AND POLITICALLY MOTIVATED TO SUDDENLY THROW OUT THE LONG TIMELINE OF HISTORICAL EVENTS AS IF IT NEVER EXISTED AND SAY HE MADE IT UP TO MISLEAD PEOPLE. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. LOT'S OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS AS FACT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO FOX NEWS TO INFORM THEM OF THE HISTORY FOR GOD'S SAKE! BUSH DIDN'T CONCOCT THESE REPORTS WRITTEN THROUGHOUT THE 1990s - THEY WERE ALREADY OUT THERE ON GOVERNMENT AND U.N. WEB SITES. Is is really that impossible for some people to understand that MAYBE people have researched this in depth and that is why they tune out to the constant drumbeat of "Bush lied to take us to war." How can anyone possibly hope to be "fair and balanced" or convince others if they pin this all on Bush? Here is how some people regard all of this - probably a lot of those people that you and others assume are brainless and only believe what Fox News tells them: The horse has expired. Not only has the horse been beaten to death, there is nothing left of the horse but dust. When they first starting beating the horse, people took notice and watched. They beat and beat and beat until the horse was no more. Then they stood there with there clubs everyday and beat the ground some more. At first, the people looked again, curiously, at why they were beating something that no longer existed. Then then looked in amusement. Then it became disturbing to look any longer. Then multi-millionaires made movies insisting that the horse was still alive. And a foreign billionaire who made his money manipulating international currency markets poured tens of millions into a political "grass roots"organization to help promote the message that the horse was still alive. Then the peopole poured a martini or a beer and escaped to watching "The Simple Life" with Paris Hilton and Survivor and The Batchelor and god knows what other mindless crap as comic relief and an antidote to the political insanity writhing all around them. The insanity has put them in the intellectual fetal position at this point and I can understand why. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:37:24 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Lori wrote: > However, do the number of good accomplishments outshine the rest of the > disaster? Seriously, what is the weight of the pros vs. cons of this war? Lori - I think some take the immediate view and others take the long view. Some view the war as a single event unrelated to anything other than Bush's lust for power or oil and imperialism, Halliburton connections or whatever. Some others see it as an unfortnate culmination of years of trying to contain and deal with the murderous psychopath, supporter of terrorism, and general all-around Middle East disruptor, invader of countries and user of WMD to kill hundreds of thousands of people, Saddam Hussein. The majority of Iraqi's are very happy we took him out. They are striving to be a modern democracy and hopeful that they can become a prosperous country where maybe more of the people can thrive rather than living under a totalitarian dictatorship. They also have enjoyed the side benefit of the break-up and exposure of the corrupt oil for food program where many countries who they thought were on their side (but were really profiteering from keeping them down) have been neutralized. They will continue to benefit from all the real aid we have brought to them since the war began, such as the building of schools and modern infrastructure and sharing of knowledge and resources that will help them move toward modernization. It will only be a pipe dream if we let the defeatists and terrorists have their way. > Maybe not at this point, but as the deaths continue to mount, perhaps > there > will be enough Americans who have lost sons and daughters and spouses and > friends (be they American or Iraqi or another nationality) to start a real > impeachment process. Yes, everybody hates war. But this is different from Vietnam in that the soldiers now have long since been voluntarily joining the military and many actually believe they are doing something that is noble, even knowing it may cost them their lives. Do we really want to start up "anti-Vietnam II" where the real cost of the drumbeat (which is really about despising or wanting to take down Bush more than anything else) will be to demoralize and undermine those soldiers and prematurely hasten the end of whatever positive mission they are achieving? > I mean, we impeached Clinton over what amounted to a few blowjobs, and, oh > yeah, his lie to the grand jury ... Let's see ... lies about sex or lies > that led to massive amounts of killing ... which do you think deserves > more > attention? And it always seems this is payback for Clinton, isn't it? Payback for Clinton seems mighty petty and small in the world we have come to know since 9/11 where there is a lot more at stake. The drumbeat about Clinton made me equally ill because it was stupidity, but what pissed me off was that he could have easily stopped or ended it just by telling the freaking truth or at least being a grown up and coming clean rather than letting it play out and go on and on. It was sickeningly narcissistic - like he enjoyed the game and the attention while he could play it. He was so popular that he would have been loved even more if he had just owned up. But no. I say to those who want to throw our country into further chaos and make our enemies ecstatic - go ahead - but then when the fallout comes - live with your decision and take responsibility for what you have done and do not try to blame the other side for it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:24:46 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture I misquoted Cheney's quote (I hate that I can't copy/paste from a pdf without jumping through hoops that I don't have access to at the moment). It actually says: "The important thing *here* to understand is that the people that are at Guantanamo are bad people" Not to be picky, but I do find it interesting that Cheney -- who, it seems to me, generally uses correct grammar -- said "the people that are at Guantanamo" rather than "the people who are at Guantanamo." Sounds like he views those people at Gitmo as if they're "things," rather than ... people. I'm sure he doesn't *really* think that, though, right? 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