From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 17 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 245 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My 2c regarding MJ, and some rare recordings now available again... [litt] MJ, pale blue with a concave nose...(njc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: Michael Jackson Some possible other thoughts NJC [Lucy Hone ] Re: Michael Jackson Some possible other thoughts NJC ["Kakki" ] NJC cordless headphones [Em ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] some comic relief - cows with guns njc ["ron" ] Re: MJ, pale blue with a concave nose...(njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: MJ, pale blue with a concave nose...(njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC cordless headphones [Bob Muller ] TIME Joni carricature ["Michael O'Malley" ] njc what is wrong with this picture ["gene mock" ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Randy Remote ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: NJC [jrmco1@aol.com] Basketball Joan [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Randy Remote > One of the best South Park episodes ever dealt with this specific question, and also with the question of his inapproaprate behavir with young boys. The cops -- whose primary (if not sole) purpose in this alternative universe was to frame any sufficiently wealthy black American for *something* -- were conflicted because they couldn't tell whether MJ was black or not. The four young heroes -- well, one of them in partiucular -- was mostly concerned with the welfare of MJ's child, whose name on the show was "Blanket". Probably one of the top five episodes ever -- defintely worth seeing. hugs, smurf, and best to all, w - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:27:18 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: Michael Jackson Some possible other thoughts NJC I have not read every post on this at all but the Michael Jackson thing has tested me to the limits. I have followed the case sporadically and with a growing feeling of (and excuse me for saying this) " this could only be happening on American television. " As a one-time worker for Britains largest childrens Charity I am horrified with the trial in the first place. This case and its outcome has done nothing for either side other than line the pockets of lawyers and provide excellent high revenue slots for TV advertising. There are a very large number of fine lines that have been stretched all round and I am dubious about the boys parents and their role in in bringing this case and its attendant publicity to their child and embroiling brothers and others into it all. The kid will never be able to lead a normal life and its about money and greed on the mothers part. SHE should be jailed as a child abuser. I am also extremely uncomfortable about MJ sharing his bed with young men. Crucial to me, in the whole scenario is that in the interview with Martin Bashir he asked the question to the lad, along the lines of "why do you share a bed with Michael" He answers in words that encompass "he said to me "if you love me" you would want to" ..IF YOU LOVE ME is in the answer......that sent chills down my spine. NO adult should ever, under any circumstance preface anything they are asking a child to do with the words "IF YOU LOVED ME" It does not matter what that might be... YOU DO NOT USE LOVE AS THE PREFACE TO AN ACTION. When I did my child protection training and disclosure training we were taught about "grooming techniques. Those with the potential to paedophile activity and those with curiosity or those with intent to abuse always find their vicitms from the ranks of the vulnerable. They begin with "I love you so let me buy you something nice" . Some of the worst child molesters are not charismatic like MJ but they work hard at "giving all they have" to the object of their intent......and it gradually moves on with affirmations of love and approval and treats and being part of "we" and feeling included and cared for. They will also have recruited other young men who will testify to the "safeness" of the adult. Gradually subtle changes take place and the attribution of love and approval take on a carefully balanced and gently applied brainwashing technique. The "I love you " becomes a "how can you show me you love me" ...."look at all the things I have given you because I love you" and so on and so on.. MJ, I feel has, in his past, been abused by his father in exactly this way. If you loved him you sang in the group, if you loved him blah blah blah blah........ its how MJ came to feel loved and how he gained feelings of love and approval. It how he transferred his affections to children when he became old enough to be a "father".... When he entered the realms of mega stardom, with a barely formed ability to function as a young adult there were only YES men around him and because the pickings were good, he could behave as he wanted with people never sanctioning behaviour that was downright wierd. Why no one ever stepped in when he was "allergic" living with a chimpanzee, starting to have excessive and bizarre amounts of plastic surgery etc., is beyond me... I DO think that because of all the foregoing MJ has the potential to abuse (maybe without understianding the full implications of his actions as I believe the man to a mentally ill genius). His contact with children should be supervised. He needs to undergo some extensive therapy to sort this whole issue out and be made aware of what is and what is not appropriate. I know that in many parts of the world adults and children share beds. Usually out of necessity and because they do so as it has always been that way. In certain tribes fathers de-flower their daughters and that is part of tribal and ancestral culture. Some people like having their kids in bed with them when they are tiny....... that usually ends around about age 5. MJ is not able to use any of those hereditary and ancestral reasons for wanting to share a bed with young men. I would like to have seen a supervision order made. I would like to see some protection measures put in place by the mothers of his children. WHERE ARE THEY????? I think what saddens me is that I know that there are so many kids who are seriously sexually abused, to a point of desperate physical and mental torture, who dont get heard, whose cases dont make national papers or TV, whose plight goes unheard and unremarked upon. Had MJ been a nobody down the road he would be in prison by now. he would be on the Sex offenders register and marked as an abuser....... Its a strange and sad world when billions of dollars go to lawyers and TV companies and questions still need answering all round..... Lucy, shaking her head in disbelief.......... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:05:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Kate wrote: > Interesting... I think we understand little of how our justice system > really > works (each time there is this kind of public trial I learn how much I > don't > know)... It is also an ongoing learning process for those who have worked in the legal profession for years, whether at the highest level (judges) or low (people like me ;-). >my lawyer friend told me something similar to what you mentioned > kakki... that he spends as much time writing the instructions to the jury > as > he does in time spent defending the person... it is apparently a very > important part of the process... The jury instructions are extremely important and much time is spent carefully crafting them and in persuading the judge to admit some of them. On the other hand jurors can sometimes take things so literally (legalistically) that the entire process can be hampered (can't see the forest for the trees, common sense thrown to the wind). I've served on 4 juries and been the foreperson on one of them. Like seeing how sausage is made, sometimes you really don't want to know the process that happens to get to the final product ;-) From my own experience with juries, I think that if I ever got into trouble I'd request a judge trial rather than a jury trial! Obviously the system we have is not perfect and often really messy, but it's still better than any alternatives I can think of. Still, there is always room for improvement. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:41:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson Some possible other thoughts NJC Wow Lucy, excellent analysis all around. Without naming names and appearing too "tabloid" I heard many years ago from a very good source that he was molested as a child but it was someone other than his father. However, I have also heard from another close source that the father was/has been/is a horribly abusive man. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:36:58 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Michael Jackson, NJC Kakki wrote: > From my own experience with juries, I think > that if I ever got into trouble I'd request a judge trial rather > than a jury > trial! Obviously the system we have is not perfect and often > really messy, > but it's still better than any alternatives I can think of. > Still, there is > always room for improvement. Ditto to not wanting a jury trial. The one jury I've served on had one person who - after we'd been deliberating for about 4 hours - said, "I'm tired - let's just say he's guilty so we can go home...." I suggested perhaps she think about how she'd want a jury to come to a decision if she was the one standing in the dock. The trial by jury system can work, but the jurors selected have to take their job seriously and conscientiously, which is not always a guarantee. I also always wondered why the jury selection process took so long. Now I understand why the lawyers spend so much time getting it "right" (or as close to it as they can). Hell P.S. Kakki - it's nice to see you posting again! _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC cordless headphones thinking about springing for a pair. Never had them before. Anybody totally a fan of cordless headphones? Anyone hate them? thx :) em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:31:46 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Mark wrote: I do think Michael is in desparate need of some kind of professional help. A lot of high-profile people who were robbed of their childhoods have turned into damaged adults. If anything is salvageable with MJ, I do think the effort should be made. Hi Mark, I really liked your post... very well thought out and well said. I personally don't think Michael needs any counseling. He is as he is which is definitely unique, but why does it have to be seen as a problem? In my opinion, seeing it as a problem bears resemblance to what is said about people who are different from heterosexual, like they need counseling for being different from the "norm." In my opinion unique is normal, just like gold is a normal metal but more rare than some. What might be seen as unique or queer adds to life in my opinion. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:38:18 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: some comic relief - cows with guns njc hi a classic flash: http://www.3dweb.no/galleri/stuestolbm/bilder/anim1.swf ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:53:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: MJ, pale blue with a concave nose...(njc) littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > One of the best South Park episodes ever dealt with this specific question, and also with the question of his inapproaprate behavir with young boys. The cops -- whose primary (if not sole) purpose in this alternative universe was to frame any sufficiently wealthy black American for *something* -- were conflicted because they couldn't tell whether MJ was black or not. The four young heroes -- well, one of them in partiucular -- was mostly concerned with the welfare of MJ's child, whose name on the show was "Blanket". Not just on the show-that's what Michael calls him in "real" life. No, I'm not kidding. ps you could fill a book with the wierd names celebs give their kids; Rumer, Scout, Chastity, etc....my own theory is that they subconscoiusly want to ensure that they will never have any competition for popularity by branding their kids with odd names. Dr. Sigmund Remote ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:00:53 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC cordless headphones The only ones I have had were these AKG ones that took these little round rechargable batteries. I found them basically unusable-if your head wasn't oriented right, they would get static, and were susceptable to interference from other gear. I fully expect that newer models have worked out the bugs-but that's my experience. I couldn't get satisfactory use from them in a 10 x 12 room. If you can find some that work right, it would be a freeing experience, that's for sure. Let me know what you find out. RR Em wrote: > thinking about springing for a pair. Never had them before. Anybody > totally a fan of cordless headphones? Anyone hate them? > thx > :) > em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:14:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: MJ, pale blue with a concave nose...(njc) littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > The four young > heroes -- well, one of them in partiucular -- was > mostly concerned with the welfare of MJ's child, > whose name on the show was "Blanket". - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Not just on the show-that's what Michael calls him > in "real" life. No, I'm > not kidding. > > ps you could fill a book with the wierd names celebs > give their kids; > Rumer, Scout, Chastity, etc....my own theory is that > they subconscoiusly > want to ensure that they will never have any > competition for popularity by > branding their kids with odd names. > Dr. Sigmund Remote > Apple Heavenly Hiranni Tigerlily (this is very weird, but also kind of pretty) More here, not necessarily celebs, with funny, snarky comments after: http://www.notwithoutmyhandbag.com/babynames/ Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:26:27 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Hi Mark and thank you for a very balanced and thought orovoking post. I think I like best what you said about the jury having to "bring in a verdict under what the law dictates". No matter what we think happened, the case has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I am firm believer in that. One of the jurors spoke about how they put aside the fame and the fortune of Michael Jackson to see him as just a person first. Michael and I are the same age (well, I'm six months older) and you don't know how much I want to sit him down and get him to look at life from a realistic perspective. There is nothing wrong with wanting to stay forever young at heart but it has to be done in mature and responsible way. Children are so impressionable and innocent. It genuinely angers me to see adults hurt them in any way. So my emotions are also mixed. While I was relieved that the verdict came in as it did, I will never know if those children really did get hurt by abuse. That knaws at me. I remember reading an article or seeing a documentary on Michael and the Jackson 5 which spoke about an incident which left Michael in shock. After a concert, the brothers were caught off guard by a mob of frenzied girls who literally tore their clothes off of them. I know that this along with Michael's experiences with his father has made him the eccentric person he is today. While I feel bad for him, I think Michael has to accept his role as an adult who was traumatized and get help in some way for the problems which plague him especially when it affects little ones. I'm not trying to judge him though. Getting help isn't as easy emotionally as some may think it is. Sometimes one has to reach rock bottom before one is able to see the reality of the situation. It's just important when children are involved because they become scarred as well. The abused becomes the abuser. It's all very sad and as Mark said, there are no real winners here. Sherelle Mark wrote: From: "Kakki" 10 people say the elephant was in the room but they didn't take a >photo of it at the time to later prove it was there to others. So we >conclude it never was in the room? > I don't know what the answer to this is, Kakki. I do know that the whole Michael Jackson trial has made me uneasy in my mind and I have not been able to come to any kind of satisfactory resolution for the all issues that it raises. My feeling at this time is that the jury brought back the verdict that they felt they had to bring in under what the law dictates. Obviously they felt there was enough reasonable doubt to rule out a guilty verdict. The question of Michael's actual guilt or innocence is what makes me queasy. I just cannot be completely at ease in my mind that he didn't molest those kids. But I wonder what I base that feeling on and if it is really valid to assume anything in this case. If Michael is innocent, then a very public persecution has been carried out of someone whose only crime is that he is different from other people. He looks odd and behaves in strange ways that some people find unacceptable. I'm not talking about pedophilia or giving alcohol to minors here. He also has a lot of money and a very high public profile. All of this makes him a prime target for unscupulous grifters. Obviously the jury thought the alleged victim's mother, at any rate, if not the kid himself, was one of these types. The only thing that bothers me about this scenario is why someone on the grift would bring a criminal charge against their target. Seems to me it would be effectively killing the goose that lays the golden eggs if the target is sent to prison. Blackmail or extortion through a civil case would seem more logical. After all, that method has been successful before. So you come around to the suspicion that maybe Michael really was guilty. And in that case, a pedophile that has had access to many, many children over the years has been set free. Either way you look at it, it stinks as far as I'm concerned. If he's innocent, he's been publicly harassed and humiliated for no good reason. If he's guilty, a gross miscarriage of justice has taken place and a predator has been set free and will probably find new prey. I have also been disgusted by all of the attention this trial has gotten in the media. And yet I have to admit to having been sucked into it to a certain extent. Travis & I were getting ready to take our cats to the vet for their yearly exams and innoculations when the tv news started running footage of the SUVs on their way to the Santa Maria courthouse to hear the verdict. It was hard to turn off the car radio and go into the vet's office before the verdict was announced. I guess it's akin to driving past a car wreck. But the whole culture of celebrity is way out of control nowadays and all the attention anything that involves MJ receives is just symptomatic of that, I suppose. Court TV was still running 'coverage of the Michael Jackson trial' today and of course Leno seems to be talking about little else. Personally I'll be glad when the whole thing fades away. But I still can't feel good about it, whether Michael's guilty or not. I do think Michael is in desparate need of some kind of professional help. A lot of high-profile people who were robbed of their childhoods have turned into damaged adults. If anything is salvageable with MJ, I do think the effort should be made. If he is a pedophile, something should be done to stop him. But if he's just a damaged human being who looks and acts crazy, then he should be helped, not crucified. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:34:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC From: > I personally don't think Michael needs any counseling. He is as he is > which is definitely unique, but why does it have to be seen as a problem? > In > my opinion, seeing it as a problem bears resemblance to what is said > about > people who are different from heterosexual, like they need counseling for > being > different from the "norm." In my opinion unique is normal, just like > gold > is a normal metal but more rare than some. What might be seen as unique > or > queer adds to life in my opinion. Dear Laura, I certainly don't want to see Michael or anybody forcibly stuffed into behavior or an appearance that is deemed to be 'normal' by society. But I don't believe all is well in the psyche of this man. The multiple plastic surgeries, the skin bleaching and his own allegations of his father's abuse are red flags, as far as I'm concerned. I think Michael has demons that he needs to face up to and exorcise for his own well-being and peace of mind at the very least. I'm all for individuality and freedom of expression. Heaven knows I have enough quirks of my own that a lot of the general population would see as evidence that I belong in an institution of some sort. I'm no psychologist and who knows how much of what the media foists on us represents the unvarnished truth, but I think MJ exhibits behavior that is symptomatic of something besides just being different. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:32:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/16/2005 1:34:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: I don't believe all is well in the psyche of this man. The multiple plastic surgeries, the skin bleaching and his own allegations of his father's abuse are red flags, as far as I'm concerned. I think Michael has demons that he needs to face up to and exorcise for his own well-being and peace of mind at the very least. I'm all for individuality and freedom of expression. Heaven knows I have enough quirks of my own that a lot of the general population would see as evidence that I belong in an institution of some sort. I'm no psychologist and who knows how much of what the media foists on us represents the unvarnished truth, but I think MJ exhibits behavior that is symptomatic of something besides just being different. Hi Mark, Thanks for continuing to discuss this with me. I don't mean to sound argumentative in anything I write here so please forgive me if I do. If Michael likes the way he looks and is basically happy with his life, I don't see any reason for him to be in counseling for what appears very different to others. He doesn't show signs of being mentally unhealthy in my opinion. If anything, he appears just the opposite... strong. He's had incredible stress and made it through. He is not afraid to be different and do his own thing, which is another sign of a healthy mind in my experience. He is far from being a depressive type and has brought joy to so many people through his incredible talents of song and dance. I've heard the opposite of depression is expression, and Michael has no problem with that. As far as his family goes, everybody is entitled to their own style of parenting. There are many single parents in the world of fame and fortune and many seeds spread that are never claimed. I think Michael's pride in his children is commendable. He balances his desire to show off his kids with the way he thinks best protects their identities. Some Stars aren't so proud of their children. Some never relate to their children and can't or don't play with them. In my opinion, these people are the ones who would need counseling much more so than Michael. The balcony episode was seemingly unthinking on his part, but perhaps too much was made of it. All parents do things that are unthinking at one time or another with their children. I'm no exception to that. When I was a new mother, I took my baby out for a walk in a stroller in close to 100 F weather and only realized that wasn't a good idea when I started to get heat exhaustion myself. There's no harder job than parenting, and Michael isn't a bad parent in my opinion. I have no right to criticize him really. As for being abused by his father, how can we know for sure he hasn't had counseling for that already or at least the counsel of good friends? That is such a private matter, yet people seem to be looking for some unresolved issue that makes Michael different. Perhaps there is not an unresolved issue. His dad was there right by his side when the verdicts were read, so maybe there has been a healing of that relationship. I enjoy the way Michael is different, and I can hardly wait to see what his next music adventure will be. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC cordless headphones Hiya Em - I've got a pair and I like them a bunch - they're made by Advent. VERY easy to set up, and I can throw them on and listen to the stereo while I'm down in the basement or outside doing yardwork. I'm not saying I couldn't live without them, but for someone like me who likes to listen to music ALL THE TIME it's a nice perk. Bob NP: Tasmin Archer, "Sleeping Satellite" Em wrote: thinking about springing for a pair. Never had them before. Anybody totally a fan of cordless headphones? Anyone hate them? thx :) em - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:10:12 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: TIME Joni carricature Hi, Anyone seen this? http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020301/154117__joni_l.jpg I thought it was kinda cute. Showing La Joni as the diva some perceive her to be... In any event, I thought it was a fairly reasonable likeness, capturing some of her maturity and wisdom for a change, as opposed to a lot of the other nasty Joni carricatures out there! Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:51:55 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: njc what is wrong with this picture umpteen posts about mj 1 post about the downing street memo 0 posts about the congressional hearings today about the misinformation given to the american people for going to war in iraq. "snap decisions and short attention spans" joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:35:08 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture gene mock wrote: > umpteen posts about mj > 1 post about the downing street memo 2! 2 posts on this-do try to pay attention > > 0 posts about the congressional hearings today about the misinformation given > to the american people for going to war in iraq. I did not hear about this-also there is an impeachment movement gaining momentum-but not reported. So the subject matter here pretty much matches what the media is putting out. I guess on the other hand, we are all music fans, and MJ is a music icon. (although I tend to think that his greatest talent is as a dancer). > "snap decisions and short attention spans" joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:37:24 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: NJC DEEEEEEEEtroit Basketball!!!!!!! Looks like we have got us a series. Bring it on Spurs. Hey Gene, as long as we are broadcasting the news I thought I would add some sports as well. BTW, funny line heard lately... GW has Iraqtile disfunction. Happy Thursday, Suze n.p. BBBBBen Wallace - -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:52:02 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture gene mock wrote: > umpteen posts about mj > 1 post about the downing street memo > 0 posts about the congressional hearings today > about the misinformation given to the american > people for going to war in iraq. I don't see anything wrong with that picture - some of us don't live in the USA or Britain, so don't have instant access to their news. On the other hand, the MJ case has been headline news world-wide. Maybe that says more about the number of posts on certain topics, not to mention the sensationalism given to certain news items. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:56:44 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Oh, it's like *that* Suze? Bring it on, you Piston peoples! The game's still afoot! Nice psych try btw, Suzie Q. But my Spurs don't rattle. Now we'll have to beat ya'll flat! Go Spurs, go!!! Keep on fghting till the end! Silver and black, baby! That's where it's at.. Game-faced, Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Suze Cameron To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:37:24 -0500 Subject: NJC DEEEEEEEEtroit Basketball!!!!!!! Looks like we have got us a series. Bring it on Spurs. Hey Gene, as long as we are broadcasting the news I thought I would add some sports as well. BTW, funny line heard lately... GW has Iraqtile disfunction. Happy Thursday, Suze n.p. BBBBBen Wallace - -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:21:17 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Basketball Joan Here's a scoop for you Detroit Pistons fans: I know Bill Laimbeer. Spoke to him on the phone yesterday. He'll be the new coach of the New York Knicks! You heard it here first. Now this JC from the newswire. I guess there *is* some Joni in NBA basketball after all. - -Julius ________ The Return of the Zen Master With his surprising return to coach the Los Angeles Lakers, Phil Jackson inherits a weak, dispirited team, including one Kobe Bryant. WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY Newsweek Updated: 4:52 p.m. ET June 16, 2005 June 16 - Hollywood sequels seldom rise to the level of the original production, and Phil Jackson?s return to coach the Los Angeles Lakers and Kobe Bryant doesn?t figure to be an exception. We sportswriters have had more than our fair share of fun abusing Detroit Pistons Coach Larry Brown for his wandering ways. The man certainly does, as the old Joni Mitchell song goes, ?got the urge for going.? Since he first took the reins of the American Basketball Association?s Carolina Cougars more than three decades ago, Brown has gone on to coach seven different NBA teams and two college squads. And win or lose in this NBA finals against the San Antonio Spurs, Brown seems poised, after just two seasons in Motown, to make another leap, most likely to a front office job with the Cleveland Cavaliers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:33:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > gene mock wrote: > > > umpteen posts about mj > > 1 post about the downing street memo > > 0 posts about the congressional hearings today > > about the misinformation given to the american > > people for going to war in iraq. > > I don't see anything wrong with that picture - some of us > don't live in the USA or Britain, so don't have instant > access to their news. Maybe it's in the British news, (since it has rocked the foundations of their government) but American television and newspapers are pretty much not reporting on it at all. The major networks are pretty much moving to things like the MJ/Martha Stewart type stuff. Censorship, I think they call it. > On the other hand, the MJ case has been headline news > world-wide. Maybe that says more about the number of posts > on certain topics, not to mention the sensationalism given > to certain news items. > > Hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #245 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)