From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #244 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 16 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 244 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Michael Jackson, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (NJC) This time, it's for real: Save NPR and PBS ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Kate singing Joni -- including the early "rarities" -- and a request [littlebreen@comcast.ne] Habitat destruction in Brazil (njc) and related issues [littlebreen@comca] Early Coyote -- What a find!!! [littlebreen@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:23:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Interesting... I think we understand little of how our justice system really works (each time there is this kind of public trial I learn how much I don't know)... my lawyer friend told me something similar to what you mentioned kakki... that he spends as much time writing the instructions to the jury as he does in time spent defending the person... it is apparently a very important part of the process... >Without any stated agreement of collusion or outward decision amongst us to disregard some of the judge's instructions and some of the jury instructions, in actuality, that is what we all did unanimously in reaching our verdict. Regardless of what the prosecutor or defense attorney told us, we all somehow ended up with the same overwhelming picture of what we believed was the real truth and to this day I believe our verdict was correct and true justice was done. Legally incorrect, yes, but I think we all walked away with very clear consciences.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:39:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (NJC) This time, it's for real: Save NPR and PBS Bob>Remind me again why Government should fund PBS?< Why not? Wouldn't it be wonderful if gov't funded the arts rather than killing people in other lands who are different from us? I understand Sarah Mc got her start because of Canadian gov't funding... Gov't funding shows were our gov't priorities are... I am so sick of having to do private fundraising for having music in the schools because our gov't doesn't think its important... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:25:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) This time, it's for real: Save NPR and PBS Bob Muller wrote: > Speaking of the media....isn't it funny that now that the MJ verdict is announced, the media has immediately pasted poor Terry Schiavo's mug back on the front page? Anything to create a subterfuge for the Downing Street Memo, eh? Ain't that the truth-the biggest scandal of the last 50 years, and Major Media won't even cover it. Do not bite the hand.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:02:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joni meet-up Anyone knows anything about this? http://joni.meetup.com - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:59:04 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: RE: Kate singing Joni -- including the early "rarities" -- and a request Hey Sean and Hell -- <<--- hell wrote: > As far as Kate Bush covering Joni, the first song > that I thought of was > "Rainy Night House" - I can hear Kate doing > wonderful things with that whole > "I sing soprano in the upstairs choir" piece! > > > Hell-->> <> I say yes! to both suggestions -- Also, I've always wanted someone -- and if it can't be Joni, then Kate would be one of several excellent candidates! -- to sing Joni's early, pre-album songs. Sure, some are available as bootlegs of varying quality, but I so wish Joni would "release" then to be sung by someone, if not by her. (I have no idea if there are legal or other non-artistic reasons for not allowing them to be recorded -- deosn't Joni own the rights to all her songs?) As I've mentioned before, Jane Siberry put out a marvelous album when she was hitting forty, just herself on guitar singing songs she'd written in her teens and sung while she was in high school and college -- it's called "Teenager", and yeah, sure, some of them are immature, but most of them are lovely, most of them could easily have gone on her first Canadian-only release from 1980, and a couple are stunning ("Broken Birds" is outstanding), and it was so *nice* to hear Jane stripped down and vulnerable. If you're not familiar with Jane's stuff, she has an interestiung, quirky sound, and she tended from the mid-80's to the early '90's to heavily "layer" her sound with lots of harmonies and voices, much like Joni did during the same period. If Joni thinks her mature voice singing songs like Carnaval in Kenora and Eastern Rain and Melody In your Name would sound wrong, perhaps she's right, but let someone *else* sing them -- they're wonderful! I'm currently trying to recreate an arrangment of the song "Jeremy" that I came up with in the '70's -- a song which I believe no one's *ever* heard Joni sing, or at least I'm not aware of any recordings in any format -- more knowledgeable people, please feel free to correct me -- and I'd *love* to hear Kate, or Shawn, or k.d., or Jewel or *anyone*sing this and other songs -- even delightful silly songs like Dr. Junk the Dentist Man. Oh well, one can dream... Oh, btw, I owe several people several things (sheet music and chocolate, mostly) and I'm sorry I'm so far behind in everything -- but I haven't forgotten you, I've just been swamped by crises. My partner, Robert, is a fighter like me, but things have not been going well for him for quite some time, and well, he's running on fumes (he's 6'1", weighs 135 and has a CD4 of 13; we had to rush him to the ER this weekend when we awoke with a fever of 103.5 -- pneumonia again). To those of you who are religiously inclined, a prayer on his behalf would be appreciated, and for the rest of you, strong positive feelings are equally welcome. We've both been fighting this vicious, pernicious virus for over twenty years, and a cure, or even a new treatment, would certainly be welcome right about now. For some reason, I'm doing inexplicably okay at the moment, but watching Robert seemingly slip away makes me feel so helpless, and is as stressful as you might imagine. Sorry for all the heavytude. I hope I don't sound miserable or bitter -- I spend so much of the time enjoying life (I spent several hours yesterday in the beautiful Marin headlands yesterday, where I was investigated by a kind of hummingbird I'd never seen before, and saw a deer casually munching some grass just a few yards away from one of the Youth Hostel buildings that dot the area!) I *am* certainly frustrated, and I appreciate this forum, and you good people, more than you can know. Best to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > I totally agree - Rainy Night House would be > wonderful....what do you think of Roses Blue for Kate? > > Sean > > > --- hell wrote: > > > Walt wrote: > > > > > I absolutely agree, Sean, and I can think of > > others that have the > > > kind of drama that Kate does so well: > > > > As far as Kate Bush covering Joni, the first song > > that I thought of was > > "Rainy Night House" - I can hear Kate doing > > wonderful things with that whole > > "I sing soprano in the upstairs choir" piece! > > > > > > Hell > > _________________________________________ > > "To have great poets, there must be great > > audiences too" - Walt Whitman > > > > Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell > > > > > > > "Where some have found their paradise > Others just come to harm" - Joni Mitchell, "Amelia" (1976) > > "It took an hour, maybe a day > But once I really listened, the noise > Just went away" - Liz Phair, "Stratford-On-Guy" (1993) > > "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," > - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" > > "Take this > Mute mouth > Broken tongue. > Now this > Dark life > Is shot through with light" - Suzanne Vega "Pilgrimage" (1990) > > "All I know of you > is in my memory > All I ask is you > Remember me." - Suzanne Vega "Rosemary" (1998) > > "Honey help me out of this mess > I'm a stranger to myself > But don't reach for me, I'm too far away > I don't wanna talk 'cuz there's nothing left to say" > - Fiona Apple "The Child is Gone" > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:19:18 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Habitat destruction in Brazil (njc) and related issues Hi, Marianne <> There was a wonderful short series of shows (called something like "Deep Jungle") on PBS one of which centered on how crucial the Brazil Nut Tree is to the whole ecology down there. The interrelationships of the species was amazing -- there was exacly one kind of rodent that cound chew open the huge pods so that the sees could be spread around -- and exactly one kind of bee that could polinate the tree (it had something to do with the male bees polinating *only* Brazil nut trees *and* one specific kind of orchid -- the girl bees go nuts, excuse the pun, over the "cologne"). The Brazil Nut trees live for hundred of years, and each cluster of rainforest depends on its Brazil Nut tree as its cornerstone. Once you mow down a section of the forest, it's like a house of cards -- it can never come back. And there are many thousands of species of animals and plants yet to be discovered and cataloged -- some of which could well have medicinal value. As a linguiust, I feel equally alarmed and sad at the demise of languages. I know it's hard or some people to care that the last native speaker of a language called Eyak just died (Eyak is a Na-Dene language, related to Tlingit and the Athabaskan languages), but every single language ever spoken has somehing to say about how the mind works, and how society works. There are things that can be done to stave off the complete destruction of enviromnents, natural and socio-linguistic, but it's an uphill battle because it's difficult to explain to most people what's being lost... Ironically, another thing that's endangered in the current political climate is PBS and NPR themselves, because they say things the current administration doesn't like to hear. Good to know, Marianne, that there are people out there who care -- information is power! best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:29:54 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! Hi, all, Les gave us: <> Les, what a find -- so fascinating to hear a song that's still in creation -- I loved the chords she played -- quite different from the final product. Thanks for the tip!! Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #244 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)