From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #241 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 14 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 241 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: memories of MG (njc) [] paving over brave little parks, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: paving over brave little parks, njc [Jerry Notaro ] NJC - Dark Side of the Rainbow (Pink Floyd meets Judy, Judy, Judy... :-) [OzWoman321@aol.c] Re: paving over brave little parks, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's first performance of Coyote [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: Joni's first performance of Coyote [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Kate singing Joni ["hell" ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [vince ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Michael Jackson, SJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] R: Exacting music/emotional moments [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [Bob Muller ] "Beat It", redux, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's first performance of Coyote [Bob Muller ] RE: Michael Jackson, NJC ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:09:46 -0500 From: Subject: RE: memories of MG (njc) Suze wrote: "I miss MG. Her sardonic wit would cut right to the quick. Her succinct posts made me laugh out loud. There was always a 'no coffee drinking zone' when opening her e-mail in the morning. Once, when I was running a computer lab after school, I read something she had written to me and almost hyperventilated I laughed so hard. My students were seriously considering calling 911. She was that damn funny. For those of you who never met MG, I hope you at least got to read her posts. For those new to the list, check the archives, or on the website for her tribute. She certainly was one-of-a-kind and a kindred Joni spirit. I am tipping a diet coke to your memory MG. I love you! Suze n.p. MG tribute from JoniFest 2004" Suze, I've been thinking of and very much missing MG, too, on what is, incredibly, the one-year anniversary of her passing. She was a beautiful soul, and a true original. We will not see the likes of her on this earth again any time soon. But ultimately, I am so grateful that we had the benefit of her heart, wit, and inimitable humor on this list for as long as we did. We were blessed. Incidentally, I'm going to a gathering in NJ in two weeks' time. I suggested to the hostess that she serve Taylor Ham as a representative dish of the state; she has a good sense of humor herself, and was amenable to that. Now I've been pretty strictly vegetarian since the first of the year. But if there's Taylor Ham at that party, then, MG, this one's for you. Requiescat in pace, my friend. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:49:28 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: paving over brave little parks, njc I heard on NPR radio this week in the last 3 years the rainforest in Brazil has been destoyed in unprecedented amounts. . sorry to bring the news. in just one of these years, (I think it was 6 and a half million acres have been destroyed). . (don't quote me. . . ) But I do remember accurately: In ONE year alone, sections of the forest the size of Massachusettes have been wiped out. cutting major roads and infrastructures Logging mining cattle raising etc. much illegal logging too, lack of enforcement and then they burn what is left of it and this is causing significant emissions. " the strong doing what they can the weak doing what they must." homes, homes to many animals, trees and plants. . . the breath of the earth. . . I think of a small pond alone and all of the little life in it. . .. I saw a tiny, tiny frog today as I was leaving for work. . . must have been a tadpole a day or two ago. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush covers - --- Parts of Yes wrote: > I could sorta hear "Top of the City," and a pre-Blue > Joni covering "The Man WIth a Child in His Eyes." oddly, I can imagine the Travelogue voiced Joni doing "The Man WIth a Child in His Eyes." Weird, huh? Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:54:51 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: paving over brave little parks, njc Here in Florida, wetlands are being destroyed at an equal rate. Jerry > I heard on NPR radio this week in the last 3 years the rainforest in Brazil > has been destoyed in unprecedented amounts. . > > sorry to bring the news. > > in just one of these years, (I think it was 6 and a half million acres have > been destroyed). . (don't quote me. . . ) > > But I do remember accurately: In ONE year alone, sections of the forest the > size of Massachusettes have been wiped out. > > > cutting major roads and infrastructures > Logging > mining > cattle raising > etc. > > much illegal logging too, > lack of enforcement > > and then they burn what is left of it and this is causing significant > emissions. > > " the strong doing what they can > the weak doing what they must." > > > homes, > homes to many animals, trees and plants. . . > the breath of the earth. . . > > I think of a small pond alone and all of the little life in it. . .. > > > I saw a tiny, tiny frog today as I was leaving for work. . . must have been > a tadpole a day or two ago. > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: paving over brave little parks, njc Hi Jerry, yes its amazing to me, the rate at which these hundreds of "gated communities" are going up, in what was Florida swamp or "prairie" land. I just have to wonder where all these people work? What industry have we added to our state to support the building of these thousands upon thousands of rather expensive all-look-alike houses. I sure as heck don't know. They must have good jobs somewhere! I'm glad to live in "the dirty old heart of the city", where the sun none the less manages to shine. And not just natural resources being destroyed. Also old buildings. Thank god for preservation efforts of some buildings, for instance Tampa Theatre. At the Emmylou Harris concert a couple weeks ago, she was very amazed (as so many are) at the old building, and she said something like "I can't believe they haven't torn this down and put up something crappy". I don't think she used the word "crappy"...but something along those lines. Lets just say she got an ovation for that. I wish growth in Florida would stop already. People think swamp land is of no value - that it is a waste of space. But I have to disagree - it lets our state "breath". And as Marianne pointed out about Brazil, the swamps are home to so many critters! Just think, one of those critters may even evolve into a race of Joni Mitchells one day, eons from now. Em - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Here in Florida, wetlands are being destroyed at an equal rate. > > Jerry > > > I heard on NPR radio this week in the last 3 years the rainforest > in Brazil > > has been destoyed in unprecedented amounts. . > > > > sorry to bring the news. > > > > in just one of these years, (I think it was 6 and a half million > acres have > > been destroyed). . (don't quote me. . . ) > > > > But I do remember accurately: In ONE year alone, sections of the > forest the > > size of Massachusettes have been wiped out. > > > > > > cutting major roads and infrastructures > > Logging > > mining > > cattle raising > > etc. > > > > much illegal logging too, > > lack of enforcement > > > > and then they burn what is left of it and this is causing > significant > > emissions. > > > > " the strong doing what they can > > the weak doing what they must." > > > > > > homes, > > homes to many animals, trees and plants. . . > > the breath of the earth. . . > > > > I think of a small pond alone and all of the little life in it. . > .. > > > > > > I saw a tiny, tiny frog today as I was leaving for work. . . must > have been > > a tadpole a day or two ago. > > > > Marianne > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:59:52 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: NJC - Dark Side of the Rainbow (Pink Floyd meets Judy, Judy, Judy... :-) Hello, All - Bob (whose Oz comments tend to draw me out of the shadows) posted: > I guess the rest of us will just have to play Dark Side Of The Moon while > watching The Wizard Of Oz and be entertained with that. It works... it really works! - doesn't even depend on magic brownies (although they couldn't hurt... :-) Two websites that detail the process and synchronicities: http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/DSotR/Intro.html http://members.cox.net/stegokitty/dsotr_pages/dsotr.htm Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com "I still need the beauty of words sung and spoken..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: paving over brave little parks, njc - --- Em wrote: > Hi Jerry, yes its amazing to me, the rate at which > these hundreds of > "gated communities" are going up, in what was > Florida swamp or > "prairie" land. > I just have to wonder where all these people work? > What industry have > we added to our state to support the building of > these thousands upon > thousands of rather expensive all-look-alike houses. > I sure as heck > don't know. They must have good jobs somewhere! I would say that it's probably retired Canadians and NYCers, but they're not all that rich. And I wonder the same about here. I see so many HUGE friggin' houses and very expensive condos being built and being bought by someone, but I don't know who these people are, or what they do for a living in order to be able to afford homes that cost $1-million and more. Even my crappy little house would probably sell for $400k now and I know I couldn't afford to buy it. In fact, I'd sell it, but then I'd need somewhere to live - and I can't afford it! So who are all these people with the big honkin' houses and driving hummers (the fugliest vehicle I've seen so far)? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:59:03 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Kate singing Joni Hi, Sean, You said: <> I absolutely agree, Sean, and I can think of others that have the kind of drama that Kate does so well: Anima Rising Offnight Backstreet Conversation (earlier Kate) Wolf That Lives in Lindsay Jungle Line The Only Joy in Town and many others. Makes me kind of wish Kate would do an all-Joni album, something I've wished of others, including k d lang and Shawn Colvin. Speaking of Kate, is there any more word as to whether she's working on an album -- it's been quite a while, but I seem to remember reading some time back that she was working on something, possibly for release in '05. i know The Red Shoes got a dissappointing reception, but I'd hate to think of her hanging up her magical muse forever. Nice idea, Sean! Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:57:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: paving over brave little parks, njc > I would say that it's probably retired Canadians and > NYCers, but they're not all that rich. These homes they are building and encroaching on The Everglades are VERY expensive, most starting at $600,000. The retired Canadians and retired Americans are being driven out as their manufactured home parks are being sold and developed. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: paving over brave little parks, njc - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > I would say that it's probably retired Canadians > and > > NYCers, but they're not all that rich. > > These homes they are building and encroaching on The > Everglades are VERY > expensive, most starting at $600,000. The retired > Canadians and retired > Americans are being driven out as their manufactured > home parks are being > sold and developed. > > Jerry Then, whoever they are, they seem to be everywhere, as I stated in my last post. Who the hell makes that kind of money and can afford the kind of mortgage you would need to buy such a thing? Mortage/interest rates are quite low right now, so people are paying much more than they should to buy houses and that, in turn, is driving up the prices. One day, the rates will go sky-high and people will be stuck with these huge mortgages that they definitely can't afford. The banks seem to WANT you to borrow as much as you possibly can. But that's another story.... What is more frightening is that they are filling in wetlands to build these things. Who knows what that will do to the entire eco-system? It's all part of what makes our planet viable. We are doomed! (Today, the smog outside my window is so thick, that the sky has no colour whatsoever and my eyes are burning. This has been going on for almost a week now.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:23:33 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Joni's first performance of Coyote This week's MP3: Almost certainly the first ever public performance of "Coyote"! This was performed while Joni was traveling with the Rolling Thunder Revue in Augusta, Maine on November 26, 1975. Joni introduced the song by saying that she had written it "yesterday". Download it here: http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0TX88YUVCCH012L85WLBG7J3SM Enjoy, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:55:01 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's first performance of Coyote Fantastic, Les! What a great insight into Joni's "Coyote" creative process. Thanks for sharing this ultra-rarity. Geez, what else you got, dude? - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Les Irvin To: 'Joni List' Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:23:33 -0600 Subject: Joni's first performance of Coyote This week's MP3: Almost certainly the first ever public performance of "Coyote"! This was performed while Joni was traveling with the Rolling Thunder Revue in Augusta, Maine on November 26, 1975. Joni introduced the song by saying that she had written it "yesterday". Download it here: http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0TX88YUVCCH012L85WLBG7J3SM Enjoy, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:40:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's first performance of Coyote Well, yeah, she says that it was written yesterday, in a non-ironic way so we can assume that it was written the day before the performance. She mentions looking at the daily rushes' - were they filming the film of 'Rolling Thunder' (Reynaldo and Clara?), was she inspired by the haphazard footage of what was taken? I can certainly imagine so... each stanza starts with an image, so it's more than likely... Nice that she starts off with the whole movement of the chords before she gets into the vocal, just to introduce it to the new listeners. No image of the farmhouse burning down... pity... or my favourite line about Coyote smelling her scent on his fingers while watching a waitress' legs. I guess it was embryonic, the structure was there, we just needed the rest of the story. Thanks for that Les, I'd've never heard it otherwise. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Les Irvin wrote: > This week's MP3: > > Almost certainly the first ever public performance > of "Coyote"! > > This was performed while Joni was traveling with the > Rolling Thunder Revue > in Augusta, Maine on November 26, 1975. Joni > introduced the song by saying > that she had written it "yesterday". > > Download it here: > http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0TX88YUVCCH012L85WLBG7J3SM > > Enjoy, > Les > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:19:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Michael Jackson, NJC Go free Michael, go free and give us more song! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:16:31 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, LCStanley7@aol.com writes: > Go free Michael, go free and give us more song! > Hi Laura, I just saw the verdict on tv, and I'm so happy. In my heart, I never thought he was guilty, and I'm glad the jury felt the same way. I just hope he can get passed this and make music again. Jimmy, also thinking of MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC - --- Jimmy wrote: > In > my heart, I never thought > he was guilty, and I'm glad the jury felt the same > way. Me, too. Especially considering the, ahem, evidence, including that scam artist mother of the accuser. I think it was unwise -- to say the least -- of Michael to share his bed with children, especially after all the media attention that other charge from the 90s focused on him. Lots of people have assumed since that time that he's a pedophile, although I felt he was innocent because he's such a childlike whatever-he-is himself. But like the good Democrat and deep thinker I am, I flip-flopped when I heard about the latest charges because I figured the DA must finally have some pretty compelling evidence against Michael. This whole show was a travesty, so I'm back to trusting my heart again in this matter. I think. And how come we've never heard anything about parents saying, "No, you can't sleep with Michael Jackson because I said so. And besides, you're only nine-and-a-half years old." - --Smurf "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:44:42 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC _smurfadelica@yahoo.com_ (mailto:smurfadelica@yahoo.com) writes: because he's such a childlike whatever-he-is himself. Hi Smurf, The whatever-he-is is a Peter Pan. I like that about him. And how come we've never heard anything about parents saying, "No, you can't sleep with Michael Jackson because I said so. And besides, you're only nine-and-a-half years old." On the interview, Michael said he let them sleep in his bed but not with him; he slept elsewhere. I agree that the parents should have known where their kids were sleeping and not allowed them to sleep where they didn't feel they'd be safe. I'm glad it is over now and look forward to buying Michael's next album. They were saying on the news he will be singing with his brothers again. I hope he sings with Janet too. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:55:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Jimmy wrote: I just saw the verdict on tv, and I'm so happy. Hi Jimmy, I was cheering each time a not guilty verdict was read. Then the news said revealing things about the mind set of the reporters. They were so used to considering him guilty, they said things like he needs counseling for his problem. Since when is being child-like a problem? More of our society needs to be this way in my opinion. Playing is good for the heart. Love, Laura (who loves to play and recently did so at Universal Studios' Island of Adventure with six children) PS. Montreal is next. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:37:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Kate singing Joni Walt wrote: > I absolutely agree, Sean, and I can think of others that have the > kind of drama that Kate does so well: As far as Kate Bush covering Joni, the first song that I thought of was "Rainy Night House" - I can hear Kate doing wonderful things with that whole "I sing soprano in the upstairs choir" piece! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:47:21 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC > <>Laura wrote: > Go free Michael, go free and give us more song! > >Jimmy wrote: > > >Hi Laura, >I just saw the verdict on tv, and I'm so happy. > > I was driving and almost the car to dance for joy when I heard the news. I do not like Michael Jackson, I intensely did not like the Jackson 5, and I am death on child abusers, and as some of you may remember, worked in child foster care and with the juvenile cours and was very familiar with the pathology of abuse. Jackson is a wierd fuck to say the least and may be a tremendous victim his own self of a tyrant father, etc. But from a legal perspective, I never heard anything that hinted to me he was guilty and from the training and years I spent as an advocate for abused children, I never got even the slightest hint he was guilty. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:31:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC California - the land where one can always be found not guilty by reason of celebrity... Too much to say - not enough time and energy in the world to argue about it. But justice sometimes does prevail in the end..... Sad man, talented, sad family. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:46:53 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, SJC In a message dated 6/13/2005 10:09:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: If Joni Mitchell writes and performs a song that touches us deeply, does that entitle us to know all about her private life? Hi Catherine, Thought provoking question. Thanks. Joni's opened more of her private life than most I would say. But, from a song that touches me deeply, I know Joni only recalls her private life's illusions, so we would only see once removed illusions if we did have a look at "all" of her private life. The forest is beautiful and so are the individual trees she's made visible through her interviews and songs. But I realize that "no one knows, they can never get that close, guesses at most, guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching..." Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:08:48 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: R: Exacting music/emotional moments The whole of Van Morrison's Ballerina ... any moment ... for instance, the light is on the left side of your h-word (probably head) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC I would submit that what MJ is goes WAY beyond Peter Pan syndrome, and is actually an EXTREME case of arrested development. Face it; he was an international superstar at age what, 7 or 8? And his Dad worked him so that he couldn't have a childhood. So what you're left with is a man in his 30's/40's who has the resources to become the bOY he wasn't allowed to be. It's a very unique situation, much like Howard Hughes who was an extreme obsessive-compulsive with the resources to fund his obsessions and compulsions. I've been saying from the get go that MJ was going to walk - there was simply no EVIDENCE that made him guilty. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. And while Thriller was an incredible record, he'll have to really pull a rabbit out of a hat to get me to buy another one of his records; not because he's a freak but because they suck. Bob NP: Morcheeba, "The Sea" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:31:05 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Beat It", redux, njc Associated Press said, >Jackson, 46, heard the words "not guilty" uttered 14 times in a deathly still courtroom.> This is the second time he's "beat it", right? I hope he stops sharing his bedroom with children, whether he's innocent or not. Sincerely, Jim PS, "What up" with Jay Leno? He's made jokes about Michael Jackson for years, yet Leno testified on behalf of Jackson's character? Sample: Q: "How do you know Michael Jackson had an overnight guest?" A: "At 6AM, there's still a tricycle in the driveway." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Jimmy wrote: > > I just saw the verdict on tv, and I'm so happy. > > Hi Jimmy, > > I was cheering each time a not guilty verdict > was read. Then the news > said revealing things about the mind set of the > reporters. They were so used > to considering him guilty, they said things like he > needs counseling for his > problem. Since when is being child-like a problem? > More of our society > needs to be this way in my opinion. Playing is > good for the heart. I'm relieved at the verdict too. It was distressing to think that he might have done those things and I so didn't want to believe he did. I don't think being childlike is a bad thing, either, and I don't think we should give up playing just because we attain the age of majority, but his case is very extreme and, because of all his money, I just betcha not one of his hangers-on said, "Uh, Michael, maybe you don't want to do some of those weird things, like having little boys stay on sleepovers." I think they just indulged him because of his money. I think that anyone who covers his kids up in weird getups and dangles his baby over a balcony does have some problems. At the same time, the cult of celebrity is sick and perverse. We pay no attention to the great carpenters or the master plumbers of the world but, if someone is an actor or a singer, their life is supposed to be an open book and somehow the fans think they're entitled to know and see all and to pass judgement accordingly. If Joni Mitchell writes and performs a song that touches us deeply, does that entitle us to know all about her private life? I don't think so. Our society is just too engrossed in hearing all the details, and the more sordid, the better. Everywhere you go, you see celebrity magazines dishing the dirt on the rich and famous. Schadenfreude is like religious ecstasy to some. I just hate reading about all that stuff and I'm so glad the MJ stuff wasn't televised. Sorry for the rant, but I get so tired. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's first performance of Coyote Subject: RE: Michael Jackson, NJC Catherine wrote: > Everywhere you go, you see celebrity magazines dishing > the dirt on the rich and famous. Schadenfreude is like > religious ecstasy to some. I just hate reading about > all that stuff and I'm so glad the MJ stuff wasn't > televised. And most of it is complete fiction anyway. A case in point: A few years ago a documentary screened here with Rachel Hunter (Kiwi super model) who was back visiting family - not long after her split from Rod Stewart. The TV crew followed her around for a few days, and interviewed her (and her family) at regular intervals. On one particular day, she was having her makeup done for a photo shoot, and one of the crew brought her a pile of women's magazines (you know the type - lots of celebrity articles, and stupid sex quizzes, etc.) Anyway, she started flicking through a few of them, and came across an article about herself. It showed pictures of her and a guy hugging in a park in LA, and the story was all about "Rachel's New Secret Lover". She burst out laughing, and said "Where do they get this stuff?!" It turned out to be her kids' soccer coach, who (coincidentally) happened to be in the park at the same time and had stopped to say hello. He gave her (and her kids) a hug as he left the park, wishing them safe travels to NZ. From that, the paparazzi had no doubt made a fortune with the pictures, and the staff writers had spent at least 5 minutes dreaming up a possible scenario to go with them. Ridiculous. Needless to say I don't read those kinds of magazines, and certainly don't buy them. And I take any piece of information I get second-hand about celebrities with a grain of salt. I don't know whether Michael Jackson is guilty of paedophilia. But he is guilty of inappropriate behaviour, regardless of whether he thinks it's "innocent". And any parent who lets their child sleep over at his house (especially given past accusations) needs a reality check! One bizarre piece of information I saw (from an interview with one of the investigating detectives on this case) was the alarm system he has set up for his bedroom. There's only one way in or out, and if someone approaches the room, an alarm sounds (only audible inside the room) when they're about 300 metres away. Why would anyone need that in their own home? Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate about his guilt or innocence, but regardless of what kind of childhood he had (or didn't have), he's now an adult. Personally I think he'd benefit from some heavy-duty psychiatric counselling more than anything else. Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #241 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)