From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #236 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 10 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 236 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc [Reuben Bell ] Re: Bit Torrent [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Judy (njc) [Em ] Re: City Stages - Birmingham outdoor music festival - NJC, darnit. [Bob ] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Early music memories, njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Bit Torrent ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] testing (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] RE: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc ["Kate Bennett" ] My single favorite Joni line ["Needham, Don" ] re: what gives you the chills -njc [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: NJC Welcome - My single favorite Joni line ["Donna Binkley" ] BitTorrent [Mike Friedman ] Re: NJC word of the evening njc [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: What gives you the chills? NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Judy (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: What gives you the chills? ["Kakki" ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC word of the evening njc [vince ] re: Little Richard... bad audiences njc [Garret ] Re: NJC word of the evening njc ["Kakki" ] RE: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Kate Bennett" ] re: Little Richard... bad audiences njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: City Stages - Birmingham outdoor music festival - NJC, darnit. [Micha] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) [Randy Remote ] A second and a half of Joni in B&W [Randy Remote ] Re: secret beaches njc ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:18:49 -0400 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc I sort of rediscovered Cyndi through the TNT tribute. I had all of her albums up to that point, and had LOVED her as a kid, but my interest had waned. Seeing her do "Carey" on that show absolutely floored me, and I remember thinking that it was a shame that she went on so early, because no one would be able to top it. I have put that track on just about every mix CD I've made since then. Reuben On 6/7/05, Kate Bennett wrote: > > >I thought Cyndi's rendition of 'Carey' on the TNT tribute was about the > best > performance of the night. I really do respect her abilities as a singer. > Mark E. in Seattle < > > Me too, she totally redefined that song for me- her version is now the one > I > reference emotionally when performing... I respect her as a singer but > also > as an interpreter (kind of like Emmylou is so good at doing- Cyndi has it > too)... jeff, who was never from a joni fan (until I came along to convert > him) was totally blown away by that song in cyndi's able hands > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:03:46 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Bit Torrent I am having difficulty burning the file onto a dvd using my mac. It burned, but won't play. If any mac users can offer advice, please let me know. thanks, Bill On Jun 8, 2005, at 4:15 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Doug! > > The video tree is well worth the wait. It contains mostly TV talk show > footage; Rosie O'Donnell, David Letterman, Jay Leno, Dick Cavett, a > promo for the album, Night Ride Home, awards shows. A Hodge-podge > really. Some excellent old stuff too. The majority is from the early > '90s though. > > Keep Bit Torrent up and running. They will download when some seeders > get on there. I will try to seed some more. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Deep In It - St Germain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Judy (njc) makes my wrists twitch just reading it. :o em - --- Mark Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Smurf" > > I think I get what you mean, Kakki, because I can't > > see Judy singing about steaming stains or peeing > > anacondas either. > > > > Well Judy did sing this sweet little Leonard Cohen ditty: > > Four o'clock in the afternoon > And I didn't feel like very much. > I said to myself, where are you golden boy, > Where is your famous golden touch? > I thought you knew where > All of the elephants lie down, > I thought you were the crown prince > Of all the wheels in ivory town. > Just take a look at your body now, > There's nothing much to save > And a bitter voice in the mirror cries, > Hey, prince, you need a shave. > Now if you can manage to get > Your trembling fingers to behave, > Why don't you try unwrapping > A stainless steel razor blade? > That's right, it's come to this, > Yes it's come to this, > And wasn't it a long way down, > Wasn't it a strange way down? > > There's no hot water > And the cold is running thin. > Well, what do you expect from > The kind of places you've been living in? > Don't drink from that cup, > It's all caked and cracked along the rim. > That's not the electric light, my friend, > That is your vision growing dim. > Cover up your face with soap, there, > Now you're santa claus. > And you've got a gift for anyone > Who will give you his applause. > I thought you were a racing man, > Ah, but you couldn't take the pace. > That's a funeral in the mirror > And it's stopping at your face. > That's right, it's come to this, > Yes it's come to this, > And wasn't it a long way down, > Ah wasn't it a strange way down? > > Once there was a path > And a girl with chestnut hair, > And you passed the summers > Picking all of the berries that grew there; > There were times she was a woman, > Oh, there were times she was just a child, > And you held her in the shadows > Where the raspberries grow wild. > And you climbed the twilight mountains > And you sang about the view, > And everywhere that you wandered > Love seemed to go along with you. > That's a hard one to remember, > Yes it makes you clench your fist. > And then the veins stand out like highways, > All along your wrist. > And yes it's come to this, > It's come to this, > And wasn't it a long way down, > Wasn't it a strange way down? > > You can still find a job, > Go out and talk to a friend. > On the back of every magazine > There are those coupons you can send. > Why don't you join the Rosicrucians, > They can give you back your hope, > You can find your love with diagrams > On a plain brown envelope. > But you've used up all your coupons > Except the one that seems > To be written on your wrist > Along with several thousand dreams. > Now santa claus comes forward, > That's a razor in his mit; > And he puts on his dark glasses > And he shows you where to hit; > And then the cameras pan, > The stand in stunt man, > Dress rehearsal rag, > It's just the dress rehearsal rag, > You know this dress rehearsal rag, > It's just a dress rehearsal rag. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: City Stages - Birmingham outdoor music festival - NJC, darnit. I'm up for a road trip - let's party y'all! Michael Paz wrote:Cindy What a cool line up! I might like to come up on Sunday for Ryan Adams and Govt' Mule. I will have to see about the boys baseball schedule and the house construction. How come my bitch ain't playing this gig??? Love Paz NP_That freak Nancy Grace > just a quick commercial for our weekend-long outdoor music > festival (http://www.citystages.org/), held annually on father's > day weekend. sounds like a good excuse for a mini-fest to me! > > cindy - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) Ironically, Michael, the ONLY cover of "A Strange Boy" that I'm aware of is by a drag queen group called Sisterboy who issued it on an EP back in 1996. Not for the squeamish and don't tell me I didn't warn you if you feel you're up to it. One of the weirdest of the weird! I'm sure it's NOT what you're looking for, but here it is anyway for your enjoyment. (Available on Volume 8) Personally, I like it on two counts; 1 - I like weird 2 - Thanks to Sisterboy I can every say that EVERY song on Hejira has been covered. You can't say that about a lot of her albums, not even her debut! Bob Michael O'Malley wrote: I'd love to hear a man singing Stange Boy someday. I think that song would translate very well to a gay relationship and bring a slightly different reading to the text. Michael in Quebec At 08:46 PM 6/7/2005, Gary Z wrote: I'm finding that when I look for songs to record, I try to avoid using "he" and "she" in songs and substituting "you" if it works. Or choose (or write) a song where a particular gender isn't mentioned. I think it opens the song up for more people to relate to. Joan Armatrading was (is? I haven't followed her in a while) masterful at this. I'd love to record Laura Nyro's "Captain for Dark Mornings" and I wouldn't want to change a word of it. I feel an integrity in certain songs. And kudos to Mr. Angell, for his bravery! I love singing coyote without changing the gender ("He picks up my scent on his fingers while he's watching the waitress's legs. He's too far from the Bay of Fundey!") djp _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type audio/x-ms-wma which had a name of 13 A Strange Boy.wma] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Early music memories, njc Hearing the Buffalo Philharmonic play The Hall of the Mountain King at Kleinhan's Music Hall. My mother playing Fur Elise on our Baby Grand. Mesmerized by a friend's older sister playing Rhapsody In Blue on their piano. My granmother playing and singing What'll I do and I Dream of Jeannie With the Light Brown Hair on her pump organ. Frank Sinatra singing Willow Weap for Me on our Hi Fi. Robert Merril singing opera on Ed Sullivan on a Sunday night. Hearing Judy Garland sing Come Rain or Come Shine on our Hi Fi. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Bit Torrent Bill Dollinger said: > I am having difficulty burning the file > onto a dvd using my mac. It burned, > but won't play. > > If any mac users can offer advice, > please let me know. Yes. Give up. I did long ago. Jerry, a life time Mac user ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:34:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: testing (NJC) testing - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:17:46 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc Hi Kate, It sounds like a very cool memory! It shows me how you got your guitar and vocal beginnings! I love the fact that your Mom taught you the harmonies! Did anyone take pictures at the time? My similar experience came to me at age 17 when I was a freshman in college at Immaculate Heart College in Los Angeles. My roomate taught me how to play Arlo Guthrie's "Coming into Los Angeles" so that I could perform onstage with her and two other girls at the college's talent night. It was my first and only guitar performance!!! Sherelle >From: "Kate Bennett" >To: "'Sherelle Smith'" >CC: >Subject: RE: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:28:17 -0700 > >Sherelle> I've done cover versions of "500 Miles" and "Where Have All The >Flowers Gone"< > > Very cool... these two of the songs (I think the other was "Cruel War") I >did for my first live performance ever! (jr high school talent show)... I >played guitar with two girl friends singing, maybe one other playing guitar >too... my mom taught us all the harmonies... I can't imagine we were all >that great but it is a fun if vague memory ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:35:13 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: NJC word of the evening Pistons. as in Detroit Pistons. - -- http://www.southsiders.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:49:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni covers, Joni project and Grace Cool Kakki! Thanks for the review. Hope you two had fun! Lisa Haley called me tonight and she is leaving for the 1st leg of her European Tour n a day or two and the second leg is in July. She is going to Austria, Holland, Switzerland so heads up you guys. Go chck out a great Louisiana girl and her fine band. Chuck Alvarez is a great guitar player. She said she was gonna call you before she leaves Kakki. Love Paz P.S. I bid on doing a show with Judy Collins here in La. Later this summer. > Tonight Steve Dulson and I saw the Joni Project play at the Coffee Gallery > here in Altadena. As previously described they had an assortment of 8 or 9 > Martin, Taylor and Guild guitars at the ready in various Joni tunings. > Comprised of two female vocalists playing guitar and dulcimer and a band > playing percussion, congas, keyboards, clarinet and sax and bass, it was a > fun and interesting experience. They covered songs from just about all Joni > eras (but not Hejira - yet). Paul Carman on sax/clarinet channeled Wayne > Shorter and Tom Scott especially well and Kevin Hamby on bass was equally > amazing. The group particularly shone on songs where the entire band > participated. They have only recently begun to work together on the Joni > project and so have not yet done any recordings (so no covers yet unless I > get a bootleg somehow). They seemed really happy that two "reps" from > "Joni's fan club" were there and asked us to spread the word ;-) > > In other cover news, a few friends recently saw Judy Collins doing an > in-store at a local Borders. They said she was astounding and they also met > up with Joni art director Robbie Cavolina at the event. Don't know if this > is yet on Bob's radar but she covers "Song About the Midway" on her new > album "Portrait of an American Girl." From the sound clip online, her > version sounds Judy-glorious. > > As the Joni Project tonight covered "People's Parties," the line "stone cold > Grace behind her fan" reminded me to put out the word that Grace Slick is > again exhibiting her art at 319 Gallery in Santa Monica and will be in-house > on June 18th. I did a review here of her show in Westwood a year or so > back, and it is well worth experiencing - especially when she is in > attendance. Here are more details plus some photos of some of her work at > this link http://gallery-319.com/slick.html > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:23:12 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? WEll there! That is exactly what I meant Jim. Night Swimming for me is about sitting with friends on the beach here (2 mins by car, from my house, 10 if you walk) with a bonfire and some good wine, a lovely late June evening. This would have been 1999 ..........so 7 years after "~Automatic for the People" came out. We all ended up skinny dipping in the moonlight .........it was as if we were dripping silver on our skin and the water was flat and almost a total mirror...... Wonderful.. and on the way back someone started to sing the song and we all joined in....... I bought the videos of REM a few months back and the video for Night Swimming shows people on a beach with fires....... Very odd and synchronous. What touched me of your experience in relation to "Night Swimming" is that it is linked to someone who, clearly, deeply touched your life. It is wonderful to be able to recreate the sensations of being in that time and space from time to time. In thinking about the whole concept of music and where it takes us and what it means on its many levels, I have come to begine to accept that all of this world, our lives, all our anger and hunger for sense and meaning, all those petty things we steam about and all the mess we try to sort out....... in the end, becomes someone elses memory of us after we are gone. Life is wonderful and extremely precious. I am off to the Isle of Wight Festival with Frank and my next door neighbours tomorrow morning. REM are headlining the last night..... I have not allowed myself to get excited yet........ I have too much work to do........ Lucy Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Ditto these: >"Night swimming" and "Migration" > >They're both such odd picks, it seems extraordinary that we'd overlap on >these. > >The constant mention of memory in "Night Swimming" seems key. For me it's a >very vivid and specific memory of swimming with Susan at midnight in her >uncle's pool. I can "see" that swimmming pool, smell the chlorine, feel the >goosebumps from the cold water / the warm humid air on my face, hear her >laugh, feel her skin slip-sliding across mine. It's uncanny that Susan's >song was written by someone who never met her, and that it popped up 15 >years after she was gone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:49:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc Unfortunately no photos that I have seen... but here is one from around that time however (maybe I was practicing for the big event?)... on the photo page of www.katebennett.com called jersey girl & first guitar :~) >It sounds like a very cool memory! It shows me how you got your guitar and vocal beginnings! I love the fact that your Mom taught you the harmonies! Did anyone take pictures at the time? Sherelle< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:55:05 -0500 From: "Needham, Don" Subject: My single favorite Joni line This is my first post. I've been lurking and reading and enjoying all = the Joni posts for several months now. Not sure if I'm even doing this = right. =20 I personally "found Joni" around the same time I experienced the first = love of my life. A beautiful women who could play almost every Joni = song on a 12 string guitar and often did so late into the night to the = light of a single candle. We used an old Spinada wine bottle as a = candle holder as I remember. My love took me to see Joni at the = Hollywood bowl in LA. It was a time in my life where my emotions were = opening and the music touched me so much more deeply than anything could = today. Joni ( and to a lesser extent CSN, Joan Baez, etc. ) etched many = words directly into my heart next to the memories of those days. =20 I still do not see Joni as the maturing 50-something year old that she = is. I see the free spirited, hair billowing in the wind, sun soaked = angel that played her music to me that day in 1980. Of course I don't = see myself as the aging, graying 46 year old that I am when I look in = the mirror either. I'm still the long haired surfer who could once = claim to have gone 12 months without wearing any shoes except sandals. =20 Anyway, that love interest was my first, but not my last. The love = affair ended and there was hurt like love will do. And the words from = Joni ( during that breakup ) kept playing over and over in my head: " = I've seen some hot, hot blazes come down to smoke and ash" from Court = and Spark of course. Car on a Hill also held me during that time; = symbolic of me waiting for my love to return, to come home.....but she = never did. =20 Don Needham =20 =20 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Blank Bkgrd.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:27:30 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: re: what gives you the chills -njc just a few: opening riffs of gimme shelter the van mitchell self portrait on t.i. thom yorke exit music....we hope that you choke, that you choke everything by the cure and neil young the long black veil - all covers j. armatrating ...love and affection traces of redemption rainbows and meteors ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:04:52 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC Welcome - My single favorite Joni line Hi Don, Welcome to the list and thanks for this poignant first post. I hope you will love it here as much as I have over the last 5 years, it's a great place to be especially for us true Joni fans. Donna from Texas (aka the Texas Tush) >>> "Needham, Don" 6/9/2005 2:55:05 PM >>> This is my first post. I've been lurking and reading and enjoying all = the Joni posts for several months now. Not sure if I'm even doing this = right. =20 I personally "found Joni" around the same time I experienced the first = love of my life. A beautiful women who could play almost every Joni = song on a 12 string guitar and often did so late into the night to the = light of a single candle. We used an old Spinada wine bottle as a = candle holder as I remember. My love took me to see Joni at the = Hollywood bowl in LA. It was a time in my life where my emotions were = opening and the music touched me so much more deeply than anything could = today. Joni ( and to a lesser extent CSN, Joan Baez, etc. ) etched many = words directly into my heart next to the memories of those days. =20 I still do not see Joni as the maturing 50-something year old that she = is. I see the free spirited, hair billowing in the wind, sun soaked = angel that played her music to me that day in 1980. Of course I don't = see myself as the aging, graying 46 year old that I am when I look in = the mirror either. I'm still the long haired surfer who could once = claim to have gone 12 months without wearing any shoes except sandals. =20 Anyway, that love interest was my first, but not my last. The love = affair ended and there was hurt like love will do. And the words from = Joni ( during that breakup ) kept playing over and over in my head: " = I've seen some hot, hot blazes come down to smoke and ash" from Court = and Spark of course. Car on a Hill also held me during that time; = symbolic of me waiting for my love to return, to come home.....but she = never did. =20 Don Needham =20 =20 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Blank Bkgrd.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:58:08 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Bit Torrent Bill.....burning video files is still slightly akin to voodoo. I haven't seen the file that you're talking about, but have done some DVD burning myself and it can be a little dicey sometimes. What is the format and what application are you using to do the burn? On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:03 AM, Bill Dollinger wrote: > I am having difficulty burning the file > onto a dvd using my mac. It burned, > but won't play. > > If any mac users can offer advice, > please let me know. > > > thanks, > Bill > > On Jun 8, 2005, at 4:15 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > >> Hi Doug! >> >> The video tree is well worth the wait. It contains mostly TV talk >> show footage; Rosie O'Donnell, David Letterman, Jay Leno, Dick >> Cavett, a promo for the album, Night Ride Home, awards shows. A >> Hodge-podge really. Some excellent old stuff too. The majority is >> from the early '90s though. >> >> Keep Bit Torrent up and running. They will download when some >> seeders get on there. I will try to seed some more. >> >> Mark in Sydney >> >> NP Deep In It - St Germain > ====================== "It better be funny;.. "If my life wasn't funny, it would just be true and that's unacceptable." --Carrie Fisher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:12:02 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: BitTorrent Sorry to ask this again, but can someone reply off list and give me the URL for the Bittorrent of audio? Also, it appears to me that the archives on smoe.org are not searchable, is that true? Archives that can't be searched are pretty useless, IMHO. ========================================= "See, the human mind is like a...pinata. Break it open, and there's a lot of surprises inside. Once you get the pinata perspective, you see that losing your mind can be a peak experience." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:13:13 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC word of the evening njc Three words, if I may: GO SPURS, GO!!!! As in San Antonio, baby!!! Didn't I tell you? You don't want to mess with Texas, dawg!!! Woohoo!!!! Let's get this party started! (I'm inviting Steve Nash over for guacamole and chips.) - -Julius, Who will be actually taping Game one and going to the Van Morrison concert in SF tonight instead, for Gail's birthday. - -----Original Message----- From: vince To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:35:13 +0000 Subject: NJC word of the evening Pistons. as in Detroit Pistons. - -- http://www.southsiders.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:21:41 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? NJC This is a 'what gave me the chills' rather than 'what gives ..' Seeing Genesis live in 1977 performing 'Supper's Ready' - in particular 'As Sure As Egg Is Eggs' when Rutherford stepped on the Taurus bass pedals. Just thinking about it still brings the hairs up on the back of my neck. I just wanted it to go on for ever. How come music can do that? Martin. De-lurking from London. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:41:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Judy (njc) > Well Judy did sing this sweet little Leonard Cohen ditty: Oh Mark, I'm afraid I'm still not quite getting it (but a lot goes over this head of mine). Whatever earthiness in contained in the song still seems highly veiled in allusion. I think Cohen tends toward a bit of the Victorian style, himself. And for some reason I heard it in the wind last night - it sounded like a slight whiff of parody ripe and ready to possible come from the Smurf direction at any moment LOL ;-) And for those who would say "bah - what would she know about the Victorian era!" - in my book/read - aholic youth, after I'd finished reading everything within reach, including the newspaper and the telephone directory, I would go dig into a musty collection of old books stored in crumbling boxes in the garage that were left behind by my grandfather. He was born in 1866. To this day, I regard them as some of the absolutely most fantastic, classic books I have ever read and periodically have to throw myself on those boxes to keep my mother from tossing them out in a garage sale! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:59:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? Geez Lucy and Don from one end of the planet to another. You both have evoked in back-to-back posts some of my best life memories. And mine happened many times in the month of June a long time ago..... Lucy wrote: >Night Swimming for me is about sitting with friends on the beach here (2 >mins by car, from my house, 10 if you walk) with a bonfire and some good >wine, a lovely late June evening. This would have been 1999 ..........so 7 >years after "~Automatic for the People" came out. > > We all ended up skinny dipping in the moonlight .........it was as if we > were dripping silver on our skin and the water was flat and almost a total > mirror...... Wonderful.. and on the way back someone started to sing the > song and we all joined in....... [Kakki note - didn't skinny dip - just went on in fully clothed ;-)] Don wrote: >I personally "found Joni" around the same time I experienced the first = >love of my life. A beautiful women who could play almost every Joni = >song on a 12 string guitar and often did so late into the night to the = >light of a single candle. We used an old Spinada wine bottle as a = >candle holder as I remember. I'd already known Joni when I met the first love of my life but part of that love's greatness was that he was as much into Joni as I was. And yes, there were many bottles of Spanada emptied on that moonlit beach. Sweet. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:12:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc Kate wrote: > I think that is a high complement... I always saw Cyndi as a unique, > sincere > & joyful person who was very comfortable with herself Yeah - I think she's definitley a good egg. > She needed more flat land, less boulders... it was hard to leave that > special place in many ways but last year's fire season, then the mudslides > & > road closures later were just too much to go through again... Oh, I can get that! >hopefully the new buyers will love it as much as we did... the valley where >we now live is >so beautiful in a different way Well, you will always have those memories of an amazingly beautiful place and if, I assume, you are still in the S.B. area, then it's all good. This is sort of regional - but I have to say it. Last year I had to go through (the very secret and hard to visit) Vandenberg AFB on business and made sure I took my time to drive around and see as much as I could. I was completely blown away - the landscape is like Big Sur/Carmel times a thousand - just breathtaking. I wish they could pare off a few thousand acres for a national or state park ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:16:45 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC word of the evening njc jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > Three words, if I may: > > GO SPURS, GO!!!! > > As in San Antonio, baby!!! Didn't I tell you? You don't want to mess > with Texas, dawg!!! From Texas: George Bush and Tom Delay. From Michigan: Eminem and the Pistons. Still Bad Boys after all these years! Gone, spurs, gone... Pistons repeat! Pistons repeat! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:15:40 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: Little Richard... bad audiences njc Hi Laurent, I find it very disrespectful when people "heckle" in that way - the guy was up there trying to entertain them and they weren't giving him a chance. There is a certain kind of interaction that some artists thrive on (Patti Smith, for example, seems to enjoy banter with audience members and it can get very funny, Joni got a laugh out of the "you got more class..." thing etc). Last year i went to see a celebration of Latino music featuring Yusa, Lila Downes, and Susana Baca at the royal festival hall. I didn't know Yusa or Downes but was (and still am) completely enamoured with Susana Baca. Yusa is a cuban folkie of sorts. She is a young singer songwriter who presents thoroughly modern and likeable songs. She has been praised for the way she reflects some of the well loved, unique aspects of cuban music in modern songs that could have been written anywhere from Cambridge to Beverly Hills. She could be internationally renowned if things go well for her. her performance prompted me to run out and buy her cd, which, of course, was only available on import in HMV and was very expensive. It was well worth it. She gave the stage to Downes and her band. I'm sure many of the people on this list know her music (she is on the soundtrack to the movie Frida). She put on a brilliant lively performance. She was very charming and presented us with a mix of traditional songs and new songs. IT was obvious taht a large portion of hte audience was there to see her. I went out and bought two of her albums and both are well worht it. Then Susana came on. This lady is wonderful. Her albums are fun and poignant and although i don't usually have an idea what she is singing about they always affect me. After her first song a lot of people decided to leave. I thought that was a little rude, but, ok, maybe they really only wanted to see Lila Downes. After her second song a lot of people left. After her third song... and then during her fourht song, her fifth song..... I was becoming rather irate. I thought it was a disgrace. Almost half of the audience left as this beatiful, spirited performer poured her heart and internal rhythm all over the stage, as she sang passionate love songs, as she updated traditional peruvian dances, as her players whipped up a frenzy of percussion, as her fans filled with emotion. And they were not going to the bar, out for a smoke, or to teh toilets - they were loudly packing up there stuff and leaving. I could not get over such a huge number of people thinking it was acceptable to disprespect the artist in this way. i was truly disgusted. There are a thousand arguments as to why someone would leave a show and many of them are valid and maybe at some point i will have to leave while an artist is on stage. But i could not help but feel that most of these people got what they wanted from the previous artists and didn't give Susana the chance to show them a good time. Even if a show was downright bad, i would be hard pushed to up and leave. I really enjoyed the gig as did Dermot. We would both jump at the chance to see her again. The saddest part was the look on her face as she performed and saw people leaving. She said something to someone offstage and the show ended soon after that. GARRET NP- Ismael Lo, Dibi Dibi Rek Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:06:54 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Little Richard, njc At the end of the show, my wife goes into a verbal fight with some of the hecklers, to no avail of course. Then we find some crew member at the exit and my wife asks him whether she can go and see L.R. to tell him how great he was notwithstanding the hecklers and the lame audience. Turns out the guy is LR's brother and is very touched by this, so he offers to let us in for free the next evening. I politely decline because we have 2nd row tix for CSN tonight. Laurent - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:42:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC word of the evening njc Vince wrote: > From Texas: George Bush and Tom Delay. GO SPURS!! And btw, Julius has confessed to me that he was once a "Young Republican" or some such which even *I* have never succumbed to. (Oh, now I'm going to get killed! Julius, please love me still - tee hee ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:54:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc >Well, you will always have those memories of an amazingly beautiful place and if, I assume, you are still in the S.B. area, then it's all good.< yes wonderful memories... we are in the santa ynez valley now... wine country, cow country, horse country... >This is sort of regional - but I have to say it. Last year I had to go through (the very secret and hard to visit) Vandenberg AFB on business and made sure I took my time to drive around and see as much as I could. I was completely blown away - the landscape is like Big Sur/Carmel times a thousand - just breathtaking. I wish they could pare off a few thousand acres for a national or state park ;-)< yes! it is some of the most beautiful land up there & its great you had the rare opportunity to look around (the other way to see it is by train I hear- something I need to do someday)... Hollister ranch (private beach unless you know someone & sometimes home of Jackson Browne) & Jalama beach (public beach just south of Vandenberg) are both not far from that area you visited & not all that far from where we live now... these wild areas are much more beautiful to me than the overpopulated socal beaches in santa barbara... I love the idea of a state park in the area... a dream that could happen one day... turning our swords into plowshares so to speak... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: Little Richard... bad audiences njc - --- Garret wrote: > Hi Laurent, > I find it very disrespectful when people "heckle" in > that way - the guy was up > there trying to entertain them and they weren't > giving him a chance. There is a > certain kind of interaction that some artists thrive > on (Patti Smith, for > example, seems to enjoy banter with audience members > and it can get very funny, > Joni got a laugh out of the "you got more class..." > thing etc). Garret and Laurent, I don't get it either when people are so rude to an artist. In the Little Richard case, isn't that who they were going to see to begin with? It's not like he was an opening act for someone with a completely different musical style, so why...? I've been to shows too, where the people are there to see one act, and they're either completely indifferent or outright disrespectful to the opening act. Even if I didn't know the other performer, I would be interested in hearing them. That's often how you can be introduced to something new. And, if you're trying to listen to that artist and other people are being loud and talking, or making a big deal out of getting in and out of their seats, it's not just rude to the performer, but to those people in the audience that might actually want to hear the other act. There are far too many rude people in the world - a great big razzzzzberry to them! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:20:43 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: what are you reading? njc Hi Marianne Meant to answer this a couple of days ago. I just finished Tom Robbin's Volla Incognito. I love this man. It is laugh out loud funny. As always he is quite unique and creative with words like someone we know. I also started DaVinci Code (Illustrated Version that my pal Peg gave me for my B-Day. I am digging it cause it is so interesting but I am not so sure yet about Mr. Browns' writing style. Best Paz NP-NBA Baby GEAUX Pistons (OF COURSE) Hey Julius or is that Mr. Young Republican??? I got yer Spurs RIGHT HERE!!! Two years in a row baby. Suck it up suck it up!!!! > What have you been reading recently? Can you give us a smigeon? > Give us a quote or something? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:31:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) That was me who sang it at JF2004 and yes I did change the gneder cause I am just not comfy singing it the other way. Even tho I am a big lesbian I am just too butch to wrap it around the lyrics that way. I have always love WOHAM, but I think it would sound pretty silly coming out of my big ANIMAL mouth. I don not however have a problem hearing someone like say Les Ross singing those songs and enjoy them immensely. His version of Magdelane Laundries was wicked good. Besides I loved changing this lyric to "Just when I think he's foolish and childish And I want him to be manly" {{ and I want HER to be nasty}} "I catch my fool and my child Needing love and understanding" Now that I think about it I never changed the lyric in Chinese Cafi about " Now your kids are coming up straight And my child's a stranger I bore her But I could not raise her" And never had a problem with it (even tho as a man I didn't bear my daughter) but I did help make her and no I could not raise her. That song has always been really special to me. Best Paz NP-Still the NBA (nice of the Pistons to be giving the Spurs a chance) > --- Michael O'Malley > wrote: > >> >> I'd love to hear a man singing Stange Boy someday. I >> think that song would >> translate very well to a gay relationship and bring >> a slightly different >> reading to the text. >> >> Michael in Quebec >> >> > > Didn't Paz sing that, at 2004 Jonifest? maybe the year > before? or am I just hearing it sung in Paz's voice? > Or did he change it to "Strange girl"? I don't > remember. Which leads to my next point... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:32:55 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: City Stages - Birmingham outdoor music festival - NJC, darnit. It's a real long shot but I will get back to you in a couple of days. I can probably get tickets from Warren Haynes with no trouble. Best Paz > I'm up for a road trip - let's party y'all! > > Michael Paz wrote:Cindy > What a cool line up! I might like to come up on Sunday for Ryan Adams and > Govt' Mule. I will have to see about the boys baseball schedule and the > house construction. How come my bitch ain't playing this gig??? > > Love > > Paz > > NP_That freak Nancy Grace > > >> just a quick commercial for our weekend-long outdoor music >> festival (http://www.citystages.org/), held annually on father's >> day weekend. sounds like a good excuse for a mini-fest to me! >> >> cindy > > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:23:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) Michael Paz wrote: > > Now that I think about it I never changed the lyric in Chinese Cafi about > " Now your kids are coming up straight > And my child's a stranger > I bore her > But I could not raise her" Don't worry Michael- I bore people sometimes, too ; ) So what's the gender problem? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:28:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: A second and a half of Joni in B&W This is a promo clip for a dvd series about various directors that I found in Fiona Apple land-features various celebs talking about directors; Chris Rock, Anthony Kedis, Shirley Manson, Bjork, FA, and, towards the end, a short pan of our girl Joan. It's about 1 meg download. http://qt01.palmpictures.com/dlt1_q300.mov ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 21:45:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: secret beaches njc > yes wonderful memories... we are in the santa ynez valley now... wine > country, cow country, horse country... Ooo, oooh! Wonderful! Congratulations on your new home. > yes! it is some of the most beautiful land up there & its great you had > the > rare opportunity to look around (the other way to see it is by train I > hear- > something I need to do someday)... Hollister ranch (private beach unless > you > know someone & sometimes home of Jackson Browne) & Jalama beach (public > beach just south of Vandenberg) are both not far from that area you > visited > & not all that far from where we live now... these wild areas are much > more > beautiful to me than the overpopulated socal beaches in santa barbara... I > love the idea of a state park in the area... a dream that could happen one > day... turning our swords into plowshares so to speak... I was really stunned and felt a million miles away from SoCal there. It is very wild and untouched. I would be driving alone for miles in there without another vehicle or soul in sight (although I was cognizant of probably being tracked via secret camera somewhere ;-) As I was driving, deer and elk were constantly scampering along and across the road, all kinds of birds, eagles and hawks were soaring overhead and the client's facility there had a resident bobcat. The ocean there is larger than life. It is also filled with ancient Chumash sites and they have a full time archaelogical/conservation facility on-site to ensure preservation. I heard it was all a big private ranch for years and then was donated/sold to the government in around the 1940s or early 50s. Part of me thought that in a way that has helped preserve it - one can only imagine the unbridled development had it not been closed off. But still...some place so beautiful needs to be shared and not fenced off. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #236 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)