From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #234 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 9 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 234 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bit Torrent [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: What gives you the chills? ["Ross, Les" ] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Bob Muller ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Judy (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Video Tree [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Judy (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Video Tree [Richard Flynn ] Re: Judy (njc) [Reuben Bell ] Re: Judy (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Joni in Performing Songwriter mag [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re:What gives you the chills? [Em ] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) [djp ] joni only folks [Em ] Re:What gives you the chills? NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: What gives you the chills? NJC [Reuben Bell ] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: What gives you the chills? [Randy Remote ] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re:What gives you the chills? [Catherine McKay ] Re: What gives you the chills? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: What gives you the chills? NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re:What gives you the chills? njc [Em ] Re:What gives you the chills? njc oops [Em ] Re: What gives you the chills? NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Gender in Music (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] re: Queen Latifah on cd and in the movies (njc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Aha! (vljc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re:What gives you the chills? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Judy (njc) ["Kakki" ] Joni in Antigonish [Kate ] Re: Judy (njc) [Smurf ] Re: City Stages - Birmingham outdoor music festival - NJC, darnit. [Micha] Re: michelle shocked releases njc [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:15:40 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Bit Torrent Hi Doug! The video tree is well worth the wait. It contains mostly TV talk show footage; Rosie O'Donnell, David Letterman, Jay Leno, Dick Cavett, a promo for the album, Night Ride Home, awards shows. A Hodge-podge really. Some excellent old stuff too. The majority is from the early '90s though. Keep Bit Torrent up and running. They will download when some seeders get on there. I will try to seed some more. Mark in Sydney NP Deep In It - St Germain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:33:52 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: What gives you the chills? ...after due consideration (5 minutes worth) and declaring that chills (for me) are moments within songs, I'd have to go for the following: Location : Amelia - Joni Mitchell Site : 'And looking down on everything, I crashed into his arms. Amelia, it was just a false alarm' Location : Kentucky Avenue - Tom Waits Site : 'take the spokes from your wheelchair, and a magpie's wings, and tie them to your shoulders and your feet.....' Location : Man from Mars - Joni Mitchell Site : 'I fall apart everytime I think of you swallowed by the dark' (though this has lost some of its potence since finding out it's about a cat!) Location : Theme from Harry's Game - Clannad Site : The openning few bars and where the first 'Chorus' comes in. Location : Northern Lad - Tori Amos Site : ..from about 4.20 in right to the end where she sings over and over 'because of the rain.' ..that's all I've time for right now. Work beckons menacingly. Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Hone [mailto:aurabright@supanet.com] Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? Nice topic Jim My instant list would be:- The Lark Ascending by E VAughan Williams..all 14minutes and however many seconds Reynardine -Fairport convention The opening riffs of "Graceland" Paul Simon Horse with No Name- America "Great Beyond" REM.the acoustic version ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Of course, Mikey!! All of the Pazfest recordings (that have been released) are listed in our database and are a part of "Joni Undercover". Now howzabout getting that Jason Marsalis stuff out here... Bob NP: Little Feat, "Day Or Night" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) Subject: Re: Judy (njc) As usual, Mark stirs incredible memories for me. The first time I heard this song was in The Subject Was Roses (1968) as Patricia Neal walks along a beach. It was so perfect I often wonder if Judy specifically wrote it for the movie. Jerry np: Johnny Cash - The Ballad of Ira Hayes > Mark wrote: > >> This is certainly food for thought, Kakki. And think about it, I will. >> The most personal and emotionally revealing song of Judy's that I'm >> familiar with his her self-penned 'Albatross'. That one seems to deal a >> lot with her alcoholism and feelings of isolation. But it is all written >> in metaphors. 'Since You've Asked' is another one where she hints at >> certain things but doesn't come right out and say them. > > Well now you have given me more food for thought! See, I read the lyrics to > "Albatross" and foremost I hear the words of a benevolent, empathetic angel. > The personal (I/you personally feel) seems subsumed to the universal > (we/many have felt). Same as with "Since You've Asked" which is one of the > few songs I used to sing and play by heart for years. > > From the "Albatross" > > Many people wander up the hills > From all around you > Making up your memories and thinking they have found you > They cover you with veils of wonder as if you were a bride > Young men holding violets are curious to know if you have cried > And tell you why > And ask you why > Any way you answer > > Kind of the same sentiment that is expressed in Joni's "Trouble Child" but > the approach is so different between the two. Joni's expression is more > direct and straight on ("they open and close you, then they talk like they > know you, they don't know you, they're friends and they're foes, too") > compared to Judy's more delicate and subtle approach. Judy's style is > almost Victorian in comparison (and I personally love that style). She is > really a classic. > > Kakki > > P.S. I can only think the Cyndi Lauper comparison had to do with the > similar crinkling eyes when I giggle ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:58:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Video Tree > Tried the bit-torrent download and it just stopped after being 99.2 % > complete. Urgh. > It just wouldn't finish. Is it still available ?? Any pointers for me > from anyone out there ?? > > Oh, and what's on the Video Tree anyway ?? It takes 3 days to download > !! volume one: tape:00:00:00 introductory montage 00:01:42 David Lettermen Just Like This Train 11/4/96 00:06:48 Rosie O'Donnell Harry's House 11/8/96 00:17:03 Dick Cavett Chelsea Morning 8/18/69 Willie, For Free Fiddle & the Drum 00:32:33 Billboard Century Award 12/9/95 00:40:13 American Journal 1997 00:44:58 Amnesty International 7/15/86 The 3 Great Stimulants Number One Hejira 01:01:30 TI Grammy Award 2/28/96 01:03:20 Rita & friends Sex Kills, Loves Cries 01:12:08 Troubadours Borderline 01:18:52 Isle of Wight 1970 01;24:02 VH1 Coast to Coast Furry blues jam 01:32:25 Leno Love Puts On A New Face 01:36:30 VH1 to 1 Night Ride Home promo (almost identical to 'The Original Returns' promo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:38:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy (njc) Judy was, and remains, the social activist of the two, speaking to universal truths and injustice. But has written and sung many personal intimate songs such as My Father, Holly Ann, Born to the Breed, Grandaddy, Secret Gardens, Houses, etc. Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kakki" > I can't recall her covering the kind of >> intensely personal and candid songs that, for example, Joni has written. >> It is still within the heavenly realm for an angel to sing about social >> angst and injustice but if the angel sings about personal angst they then >> become the individual, flawed human voice rather than the pure angelic >> one. Even the more personal songs she has covered seem to have an >> ultimately universal, perhaps profoundly affecting, but non-controversial >> emotional point of view. (I am NOT judging her here - these are just my >> observations regarding her style and the types of songs she chooses to >> cover). > > This is certainly food for thought, Kakki. And think about it, I will. The > most personal and emotionally revealing song of Judy's that I'm familiar > with his her self-penned 'Albatross'. That one seems to deal a lot with her > alcoholism and feelings of isolation. But it is all written in metaphors. > 'Since You've Asked' is another one where she hints at certain things but > doesn't come right out and say them. I'm really going to have to give this > some thought. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:17:27 -0400 From: Richard Flynn Subject: Re: Video Tree Jerry Notaro wrote: >>Tried the bit-torrent download and it just stopped after being 99.2 % >>complete. Urgh. >>It just wouldn't finish. Is it still available ?? Any pointers for me >>from anyone out there ?? >> >>Oh, and what's on the Video Tree anyway ?? It takes 3 days to download >>!! >> >> > >volume one: >tape:00:00:00 introductory montage >00:01:42 David Lettermen Just Like This Train 11/4/96 >00:06:48 Rosie O'Donnell Harry's House 11/8/96 >00:17:03 Dick Cavett Chelsea Morning 8/18/69 > Willie, For Free > Fiddle & the Drum >00:32:33 Billboard Century Award 12/9/95 >00:40:13 American Journal 1997 >00:44:58 Amnesty International 7/15/86 > The 3 Great Stimulants > Number One > Hejira >01:01:30 TI Grammy Award 2/28/96 >01:03:20 Rita & friends Sex Kills, Loves Cries >01:12:08 Troubadours Borderline >01:18:52 Isle of Wight 1970 >01;24:02 VH1 Coast to Coast Furry blues jam >01:32:25 Leno Love Puts On A New Face >01:36:30 VH1 to 1 Night Ride Home promo > (almost identical to 'The Original Returns' promo > > > > > Les is out of town and I'm in Winnipeg, where I had a fun time last night going to dinner with Mags and some of my colleagues/friends who are her, like me, for the children's literature conference. It'll be next week before anyone can offer technical assistance with tracker matters. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:38:56 -0400 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: Judy (njc) I'm a big fan of Judy's work in the 1980's, too. "Mama, Mama" from "Times of Our Lives" (about a woman having a abortion) is one of her best ever, IMHO. "The Blizzard" from "Fires of Eden" is a good one, too. Both have an edge to them. As for her older stuff, I remember listening to my Mom's scratched copy of "Whales and Nightengales" when I was about 7, and thinking that "Song for David" was the most beautiful thing I had ever heard. Its still one of my favorites. (Don't have it in front of me - did she pen this one?) Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:58:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy (njc) > I'm a big fan of Judy's work in the 1980's, too. "Mama, Mama" from "Times of > Our Lives" (about a woman having a abortion) is one of her best ever, IMHO. > "The Blizzard" from "Fires of Eden" is a good one, too. Both have an edge to > them. > As for her older stuff, I remember listening to my Mom's scratched copy of > "Whales and Nightengales" when I was about 7, and thinking that "Song for > David" was the most beautiful thing I had ever heard. Its still one of my > favorites. (Don't have it in front of me - did she pen this one?) > Reuben > No. Joan Baez wrote it about her husband David who went to jail for refusing to be inducted into the Army during the Vietnam War. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: Joni in Performing Songwriter mag Hi Kate and Joseph. I love that picture . I worked at Robert's tent at a festival a few years ago and he was kind enough to donate some postcards of it for the Jonifest raffle that year. It was interesting, I told him about JMDL and asked him if he'd like me to tell the list about the photo, thinking that there would be some people here who would be interested in purchasing it and he didn't want me to do that. I guess to preserve the value of the photo - and it's a gorgeous one, that's for sure - maybe he is very picky about how many he sells and to whom and for how much. Just guessing about that though... Jenny - ----------------------------------- Hi Joseph, Performing Songwriter is my favorite music mag... Robert Corwin is the photographer... he is a lot like Henry Diltz in that he has been around a long time & has shot many of the same artists... & the beauty of it is, he can still be found shooting performers at the folk alliance conferences as well as other festivals I imagine... when I saw his work on display at my first folk alliance & met then him & saw him still out there in the audience shooting all the performers (still trying to get one he took of me but I think it's a hopeless cause now) it gave me such a sense of history in the making... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:04:34 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? * "was it the sins of my youth?" * "Dona Nobis Pacem" from Bach's B minor mass djp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? I will chime in with 3 chill generators that immediatley came to mind (for me): a. in Soul Kitchen, when Morrison first first roars the chorus "Let me sleep all night in your soul kitchen..." b. Baez' singing of "El Rosinyol" from "Gracias a la Vida". That album came out in the last year of my spanish grandfather's life, and a complete adoration for that song is something we were able to share. I was like 16, and he was like 84, but we shared the song that year. Played it over and over. I can't hear that song without thinking of my grandfather, and that's just fine. Gives me the chills. ;) c. in Lyle Lovett's "If I had a Boat": "The mystery masked man was smart He got himself a Tonto 'Cause Tonto did the dirty work for free But Tonto he was smarter And one day said Kemo Sabe Kiss my ass I bought a boat, I'm going out to sea" .....chill city man!!!!!!! Fun topic, Lama! Em - --- Lucy Hone wrote: > Nice topic Jim > My instant list would be:- > The Lark Ascending by E VAughan Williams..all 14minutes and however > many seconds > Reynardine -Fairport convention ...snip... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:12:56 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) At 08:46 PM 6/7/2005, Gary Z wrote: >I'm finding that when I look for songs to record, I try to avoid using >"he" and "she" in songs and substituting "you" if it works. Or choose (or >write) a song where a particular gender isn't mentioned. I think it opens >the song up for more people to relate to. Joan Armatrading was (is? I haven't followed her in a while) masterful at this. >I'd love to record Laura Nyro's "Captain for Dark Mornings" and I wouldn't >want to change a word of it. I feel an integrity in certain songs. And >kudos to Mr. Angell, for his bravery! I love singing coyote without changing the gender ("He picks up my scent on his fingers while he's watching the waitress's legs. He's too far from the Bay of Fundey!") djp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: joni only folks sorry for forgetting the NJC on the "chills" post.. i really do try and remember.. take care, Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:12:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? NJC Right off my head, I'd say... Diamanda Galas' "My Life Is Empty Without You" from her _Malediction and Prayer_ album. The way this banshee sings a hair-raising "empppppptttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy" with a chilly tremolo that most traditional blues singers can give me, makes me stop whatever I do and listen. Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Rain" from the soundtrack of "The Last Emperor". That string quartet's sudden launch to a running-speed tempo gives me the goose bumps everytime. It is quite similar to Kronos Quartet's "Dinner Music For Hungry Cannibals". New York Voices' version of "Oh Lady Be Good" that sampled Ella Fitzgerald's legendary 1947 performance of that song. The rapid-fire scats of the quartet gave way to Ella's almost tinny-sounding version complete with the tinny sounds of big band sound, but when the members of the New York Voices wrapped their cooing vocals around Ella's voice with an almost God-like homage, chills chills chills galore are all over me. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Betty Buckley - "Sorry/Grateful" - Children Will Listen - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:37:56 -0400 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? NJC Let's see... Kate Bush's "Breathing" - the last minute or so to the fade out The background vocals to "Song For Sharon" ("le le le la...") The new mix of Everything But The Girl's "Mirrorball" by DJ Jazzy Jeff Aretha's "Until You Say You Love Me" from "Who's Zoomin' Who?" (anyone heard this song?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:40:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) Hi Gary! That is a very original thing to do!!! It kind of gives you a "signature" with your style of music! Kudos!!! Please keep up with the music!!!! I'm so proud of you! Love, Sherelle Gary wrote: I find this subject very interesting being a "hopeful in rooms like this." I'm finding that when I look for songs to record, I try to avoid using "he" and "she" in songs and substituting "you" if it works. Or choose (or write) a song where a particular gender isn't mentioned. I think it opens the song up for more people to relate to. Although the flip side is that in my old New York days, I did some cabaret, and in our set we would do "California" and "Tom Cat Goodby" exactly as written. I do believe certain songs should be sung that way, as well. I'd love to record Laura Nyro's "Captain for Dark Mornings" and I wouldn't want to change a word of it. I feel an integrity in certain songs. And kudos to Mr. Angell, for his bravery! Best, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:50:30 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) I am sad about her passing too Em, Anne Bancroft could do it all...comedic and serious. I loved her alongside Bridgette Fonda in "Point of No Return". She was an etiquette instructor for the assassin trainees in the movie and she was so charming yet deadly at the same time. Her smile was so beautiful and then in an instant, she could turn it into an icy stare. Classic! I read a short article about her talking about when she had met the man of her dreams, her "soulmate" Mel Brooks. She was in a therapy session when she said to her doctor (and I paraphrase) "Hurry it up doc! I've met the man of my dreams!" Sherelle Em wrote: I loved her comedic role in 'Fatso" and I thought she was soooooo hot as the evil Senator in GI Jane. Am sad. Am happy cuz I saw a fabulously uplifting concert of Jonathan Richman tonight, but a few of us were sad about the passing of the wonderful Anne Bancroft. I always loved her. Such a soulful face. I found her very beautiful. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:52:18 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs Oh there are so many but some of them are so incidental, or even just musical phrases that I can't name them all... But here's my top 5 in no particular order When the band clicks in on 'Paprika Plains' where the band, the strings and Jaco's bass are all interplaying and it REALLY kicks off, ever expanding, getting wider and wider. Magnificent! The breath she takes to start 'Love' on the WTRF version. You can hear the anticipation of the breadth of this song in that moment The chorus of 'Last Chance Lost' - when all the Joni voices are singing 'Last Chaaaance... laaaast chance'. All those voices, not sure if they're dischordant (?) or not but they're certainly unsettling When Wayne comes in on 'Don't Worry 'Bout Me' is heartbreaking. I played this song in a theatre once over the PA while we were taking a break during rehearsals and it just stopped everyone in their tracks The last stanza of WOHAM just nails a hell of a lot of me 'You know the time you impress me most, are the times when you don't try, you don't even try...' God that just kills doesn't it? Of course I could go on... But I won't Much Joni Jamie Zoob only about 9 weeks to JoniFrance! Get your tickets bought, tickets booked, get the discussion going! - --- Em wrote: > I'm afraid I will prove myself most coarse with > this: > but I'll go ahead and admit I get real jolly when > "win your medals, > f__k your strangers" comes around... > def. one of my very fave Joni moments....what can I > say... > Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? NJC Speaking of Aretha and "chills" - that whole part of The Blues Brothers that featured Aretha, in the diner, with the slippers...... ("Think") gave me (and still gives me) LARGE chills....... fun! hehehehhh...... Em - --- Reuben Bell wrote: > Aretha's "Until You Say You Love Me" from "Who's Zoomin' Who?" > (anyone > heard this song?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:16:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? Reuben Bell wrote: > The background vocals to "Song For Sharon" ("le le le la...") > Me too, and the lines And the power of reason And the flowers of deep feeling Seem to serve me Only to deceive me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:42:50 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) I'd love to hear a man singing Stange Boy someday. I think that song would translate very well to a gay relationship and bring a slightly different reading to the text. Michael in Quebec At 08:46 PM 6/7/2005, Gary Z wrote: I'm finding that when I look for songs to record, I try to avoid using "he" and "she" in songs and substituting "you" if it works. Or choose (or write) a song where a particular gender isn't mentioned. I think it opens the song up for more people to relate to. Joan Armatrading was (is? I haven't followed her in a while) masterful at this. I'd love to record Laura Nyro's "Captain for Dark Mornings" and I wouldn't want to change a word of it. I feel an integrity in certain songs. And kudos to Mr. Angell, for his bravery! I love singing coyote without changing the gender ("He picks up my scent on his fingers while he's watching the waitress's legs. He's too far from the Bay of Fundey!") djp _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Judy (njc) - --- Reuben Bell wrote: > As for her older stuff, I remember listening to my > Mom's scratched copy of > "Whales and Nightengales" when I was about 7, and > thinking that "Song for > David" was the most beautiful thing I had ever > heard. Its still one of my > favorites. (Don't have it in front of me - did she > pen this one?) > Reuben > "Song for David" was written by Joan Baez. I love the album "Whales and Nightingales", on the front cover of which, Ms Collins is wearing a pair of very groovy boots, which I coveted at the time. My brother bought this one for me, which makes it kind of special, because my brother could be a real pain back then, but he always gave good presents! I used to love playing those W&N songs on my guitar. This was also the album that introduced me to Jacques Brel, as Judy covers several of his songs on this one ("Sons of" and "Marieke".) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:11:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc Kakki> for some weird reason I had co-workers back in the 80s who inexplicably thought I not only looked like her but had her mannerisms.< That is weird for sure... she has such a heavy new york accent... I can't imagine what your coworkers saw to compare... unless you once had green hair or something!... I loved cyndi in the video of we are the world when she realizes all her jangly jewelry is making too much noise in the mic... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:08:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? - --- Em wrote: > > b. Baez' singing of "El Rosinyol" from "Gracias a la > Vida". > That album came out in the last year of my spanish > grandfather's life, > and a complete adoration for that song is something > we were able to > share. I was like 16, and he was like 84, but we > shared the song that > year. Played it over and over. I can't hear that > song without thinking > of my grandfather, and that's just fine. Gives me > the chills. > ;) Em, thanks for the reminder. I LOVE "Gracias a la vida". It's my favourite Baez album of all time. Even people who might not care for Baez's singing will almost certainly love this one. And, it's the one with her (kind of goofy, IMO) song, "Di Da", where Joni sings along with Joan. "Gracias a la vida" is still (or maybe again) available in CD format; plus there's The Complete A&M recordings, which includes all of "Gracias" (it's a 4-disc box set that looks worth it to me. It's $49.99 CDN on amazon.ca, which is a pretty good price for 4 CDs for here. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:21:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? > "Gracias a la vida" is still (or maybe again) > available in CD format; plus there's The Complete A&M > recordings, which includes all of "Gracias" (it's a > 4-disc box set that looks worth it to me. It's $49.99 > CDN on amazon.ca, which is a pretty good price for 4 > CDs for here. > A GREAT box set. I bought it used for 24.00! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:27:01 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reuben Bell" > Aretha's "Until You Say You Love Me" from "Who's Zoomin' Who?" (anyone > heard this song?) > I have 'Who's Zoomin' Who?' but I haven't listened to it in years. I'll have to dig it out. Speaking of Aretha, did anyone else think pairing her with Hugh Jackman on the Tony Awards was a big mistake? Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? njc Hi Catherine glad to hear you like it too. I recently purchased the CD after wearing the vinyl pretty much out. Also it just seems too inconvenient anymore to hook up the turntable, so the CD is good. I believe I bought it new (not a used copy). So I think it *is* available. Time to update alot of my Baez stuff, I think. I didn't listen to it for years and years after "soaking" in it all through the 70's. And now its sounding REALLY good again. That was another thing I found SO cool about "The Life Aquatic" was when he was up in the balloon with that reporter and in the background is playing the "here's to you Nicola and Mark" chorus from Sacco And Vanzetti, sung by Baez! LOL! I was just FLOORED! Who would have thought to stick that in there??? and it didn't really relate to anything really...just an interesting "touch". :) Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Em, thanks for the reminder. I LOVE "Gracias a la > vida". It's my favourite Baez album of all time. Even > people who might not care for Baez's singing will > almost certainly love this one. And, it's the one with > her (kind of goofy, IMO) song, "Di Da", where Joni > sings along with Joan. > > "Gracias a la vida" is still (or maybe again) > available in CD format; plus there's The Complete A&M > recordings, which includes all of "Gracias" (it's a > 4-disc box set that looks worth it to me. It's $49.99 > CDN on amazon.ca, which is a pretty good price for 4 > CDs for here. > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? njc oops - --- Em wrote: in the background is playing the "here's to you Nicola and Mark" oops, "Bart" not Mark..... em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:35:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? NJC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reuben Bell" >> Aretha's "Until You Say You Love Me" from "Who's Zoomin' Who?" (anyone >> heard this song?) >> > > I have 'Who's Zoomin' Who?' but I haven't listened to it in years. I'll > have to dig it out. > > Speaking of Aretha, did anyone else think pairing her with Hugh Jackman on > the Tony Awards was a big mistake? > > Mark E. in Seattle > Just awful. They created enough heat to freeze Alaska. But I DID love that he held the last note longer than she did and out diva-ed her! She was here a few weeks back and got blasted by the critics for her bad performance. Certainly lacked the excitement she created with Nessum Dorma a few years back on the Grammys. As for Hugh, seeing him in The Boy From Oz will always be a highlight for me. He was electrifying. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gender in Music (NJC) - --- Michael O'Malley wrote: > > I'd love to hear a man singing Stange Boy someday. I > think that song would > translate very well to a gay relationship and bring > a slightly different > reading to the text. > > Michael in Quebec > > Didn't Paz sing that, at 2004 Jonifest? maybe the year before? or am I just hearing it sung in Paz's voice? Or did he change it to "Strange girl"? I don't remember. Which leads to my next point... I don't think it's necessary, or a good idea in most cases, to change the sex of the person you're singing. It's too distracting and in some cases, it just doesn't work without having to rewrite the whole song. I don't have a problem with men singing love songs about other men, or women about other women; or with people singing as if they were the other sex. It's kind of like acting. If the person is good at what they do, then you don't sit there thinking, "Hmm, weird. Here's a woman singing as if she were a man. I can't just listen the this song because I can't get over that..." You just realize what a great song it is and that human emotions are universal (if you're a human, that is, in whatever part of the universe.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:24:10 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: re: Queen Latifah on cd and in the movies (njc) Hi, all, Speaking of Queen Latifah -- A movie that very few people saw but that I recommend is "Living Out Loud". It's an odd little movie, but well acted, with Holly Hunter, Danny DeVito (for once not chewing up the scenery) and Queen Latifah, who sings the version of Lush Life heard on the Dana Owens album, or one close to it. The movie is quirky, with fantasy sequences, but I liked it. Best, Walt-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:29:37 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Aha! (vljc) Gary in Detrout said: <> Aha Gary, I always suspected you for a tag tucker! Fondly, Walt (the sandal slipper)-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:46:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? njc - --- Em wrote: > Time to update alot of my Baez stuff, I think. > I didn't listen to it for years and years after > "soaking" in it all > through the 70's. And now its sounding REALLY good > again. > That was another thing I found SO cool about > "The Life Aquatic" was when he was up in the balloon > with that reporter > and in the background is playing the "here's to you > Nicola and Mark" > chorus from Sacco And Vanzetti, sung by Baez! LOL! I > was just FLOORED! > Who would have thought to stick that in there??? and > it didn't really > relate to anything really...just an interesting > "touch". > :) OH YEAH! It's Nicola and Bart(olomeo), though (Sacco and Vanzetti.) I've heard the English version by Baez, the French version by Georges Moustaki, and the music (beautiful music) is by Ennio Morricone who has written so much amazing film music. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:21:47 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: What gives you the chills? NJC Janis on the live version of Kozmic Blues when she cries out, completely wasted by emotion and out of breath, "honey, when I wanta reach out my hand, I said darling, all I ever wanted was for you to understand me now." Cause you know she meant it, felt it. Had not heard it in years. Dug it out because of this thread. Thanks to the person that started it. Listening to it made me cry as well. Oh Janis, dear sweet Janis. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:31:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc > That is weird for sure... she has such a heavy new york accent... I can't > imagine what your coworkers saw to compare... unless you once had green > hair > or something!... I loved cyndi in the video of we are the world when she > realizes all her jangly jewelry is making too much noise in the mic... LOL - no, I pretty much looked exactly like I do now (but now with a few more lines on my face and pounds on my ____ ;-). I hate to say it but I think it was something about a similar spirit of sorts! That's cool - I liked her and thought she was a fun character - just didn't get into the music at the time. But we know now there was something deeper there. And I think RLJ really made a BIG mistake not scooping up your property! (I don't see how you can leave it). But maybe someone else interesting will come along as a potential buyer. Hmmmm. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:43:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Judy (njc) Hi Jerry, beholder of all things Judy along with Mark E ;-) > Judy was, and remains, the social activist of the two, speaking to > universal > truths and injustice. But has written and sung many personal intimate > songs > such as My Father, Holly Ann, Born to the Breed, Grandaddy, Secret > Gardens, > Houses, etc. Ar, geez, I was trying to be polite and between the lines, I guess, re Judy v. Joni. Um, I guess what I really mean is that I cannot see Judy singing some of Joni's more let's say directly "raw" and "earthy" lyrics or exhibiting some of Joni's underlying rage and anger that sometimes comes through on certain of her songs. See, even now I can't come right out and recite them but I think you get the gist. I do appreciate the insights brought up in this discussion. It brings forth in so many ways how Judy is not just someone with a beautiful voice that made some Joni Mitchell songs famous. You already know so much about her, but I don't know that generally she is known in too much depth. I used to just wallow in her music. Remember babysitting in the 60s and carefully rifling through the parents' album collections to see if she was there and putting her on the turntable. There are many songs of hers that I adore but her version of In My Life completely takes me out every time. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:26:14 -0700 From: Kate Subject: Joni in Antigonish I suppose this has appeared before and I missed it, but just in case ... Kate Curtain rises on Festival Antigonish Festival Antigonish Summer Theatre [NS] unleashed a chock-full season yesterday featuring Canadian talent, an expanded run and new shows every week. New artistic producer Ed Thomason called the 18th season lineup a "hat trick." "We've got Joni Mitchell, David French and Daniel MacIvor, who is arguably one of the fastest-rising stars," said Thomason. "So I'm really thrilled that we're showing three major Canadian talents." [For more information visit www.stfx.ca/festivalantigonish.] http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Judy (njc) - --- Kakki wrote: > I guess what I really mean is that I > cannot see Judy singing > some of Joni's more let's say directly "raw" and > "earthy" lyrics or > exhibiting some of Joni's underlying rage and anger > that sometimes comes > through on certain of her songs. I think I get what you mean, Kakki, because I can't see Judy singing about steaming stains or peeing anacondas either. - --Smurf NPIMH: "Someday Soon" "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:02:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: City Stages - Birmingham outdoor music festival - NJC, darnit. Cindy What a cool line up! I might like to come up on Sunday for Ryan Adams and Govt' Mule. I will have to see about the boys baseball schedule and the house construction. How come my bitch ain't playing this gig??? Love Paz NP_That freak Nancy Grace > just a quick commercial for our weekend-long outdoor music > festival (http://www.citystages.org/), held annually on father's > day weekend. sounds like a good excuse for a mini-fest to me! > > cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:30:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: michelle shocked releases njc She played a free show tonight downtown as part of a downtown development summer concert series. I wanted to go but had a ball game with Julian. Jack went for a bit and said she sounded wonderful Best Paz > hi > > > for anyone who may be interested > > michelle has released not, not two, but three!!! albums: > > got no strings - disney songs (???) > > dont ask dont tell - a rock album > > mexican standoff - americana/texas (judging from the samples this seems like > the pick of the bunch) > > they are available from her website > > http://www.michelleshocked.com/store.htm > > at $15.00 each - or $33.00 for the box set of all three > > > ron > np - michelle shocked - lonely planet ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #234 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)