From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #233 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 8 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 233 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) [Gary Z ] RE: Madeleine Peyroux njc [Joseph Palis ] Re: Favorite moments in Joni's songs ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) [Smurf ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Judy (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) [Em ] chicago njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Michael Paz ] Joni in Performing Songwriter mag ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Judy (njc) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc [Randy Remote ] RE: Joni in Performing Songwriter mag [Joseph Palis ] Re:What gives you the chills? [Lucy Hone ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:23:33 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) Yes, very sad to hear about Anne Bancroft..loved her too. Although I wasn't particularly fond a Fonda (ha ha) (or Meg Tilly for that matter) in that particular movie, I did love Anne's character and performance in "Agnes of God" as well as "'Night Mother" (with Sissy Spacek) too Jerry, and so many more... Best, Gary Gerald A. Notaro wrote: >Had not heard this. Very sad. I loved her in Torch Song Trilogy and "Night >Mother. > >Jerry > >Joseph Palis said: > > >>Re-sending this email with an NJC tag this time. >> >>Sad to hear that Anne Bancroft passed away yesterday in NYC. I like this >>woman a lot and although she will forever be forever associated with her >>Mrs Robinson role in "The Graduate", for me her best performance will >>forever be as Helene Hanff in "84 Charing Cross Road". Beats her Anne >>Sullivan role in "The Miracle Worker" anytime. >> >>Josepjh in CH >>np: hum of the AC unit >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos >>mails, photos et vidios ! >>Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:32:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Madeleine Peyroux njc Mark, I am sure others who have heard of her would have something very different to say. The fact that she sounded eerily like Billie can be both a liability or blessing. But I read in JazzTimes around the time Peyroux's "Dreamland" came out that she was one of those who performed at Carnegie Hall concert and when she started singing, people were floored by the inch-perfect Billie phrasing. The review said that Peyroux did it so effortlessly and consistently that she could not have been using Billie's voice as a novelty act. I havent seen Peyroux perform yet live but like I said I am smitten by her and the three albums she put out (the second one is only available through her wiebsite and concerts but is now available in stores and online). Joseph in CH np: Wyclef Jean - "Apocalypse" (loved the Concerto for One Voice that he sampled) Mark Scott a icrit : - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Palis" > The one singer I have been smitten since she appeared a few years ago is > Madeleine Peyroux. Now *that* woman can sing. I'm glad you mentioned her, Joseph. I've been meaning to ask what people think of her. I heard one of her cds at a local Starbucks and was struck by how much she sounds like Billie Holiday. It's almost like she's deliberately imitating Billie. What does anyone else have to say about Madeleine Peyroux? Mark E. in Seattle - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:37:39 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Favorite moments in Joni's songs Great thread, Jo The list is endless.... ``He seems to like me anyway`` from Coyote ``Enter the multitudes, in Exxon blue, in radiation rose`from Passion Play `` I put my hand on her belly to feel the kid kickin' `from Beat `` never loved a man, I trusted, as far as I could pitch-my-shoe`` from Lucky Girl ``I thought of you, dreamer...`` ``down, down, down, the dark lad-der`` ``Oh sour grapes, because-I-lost ma heart`` ``Cause part of you, pours out of me, in these lines from time to time``` Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:46:42 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Gender in Music (NJC) I find this subject very interesting being a "hopeful in rooms like this." I'm finding that when I look for songs to record, I try to avoid using "he" and "she" in songs and substituting "you" if it works. Or choose (or write) a song where a particular gender isn't mentioned. I think it opens the song up for more people to relate to. Although the flip side is that in my old New York days, I did some cabaret, and in our set we would do "California" and "Tom Cat Goodby" exactly as written. I do believe certain songs should be sung that way, as well. I'd love to record Laura Nyro's "Captain for Dark Mornings" and I wouldn't want to change a word of it. I feel an integrity in certain songs. And kudos to Mr. Angell, for his bravery! Best, Gary Michael O'Malley wrote: > Catherine wrote: Michael, I'm so glad you cover the Canadian media... > > > Hey, ya'd think, like, there could be at least *one* Joni fanatic in > Saskatoon or Regina on our list, eh? Where are they all hanging out? > > I neglected to mention that when Michael Angell sang Urge for Going, > he didn't change the sex of the characters. For instance, he sang `I > had me a man in summertime``, etc... > I thought, is that a queer statement, or is it a case of being true to > the original ? Whatever his motivation may have been, I thought he was > brave to sing it that way (beautifully) in front of a Saskatoon > audience, and broadcast to a national radio audience to boot. It seems > to me one doesn't often hear same-sex references in pop songs in > mainstream venues or media. > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special > stationery, fonts and colors. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) Well, it certainly wasn't her finest performance, but I enjoyed her silliness and pure joy in working with her husband in Brooks' "Silent Movie". A pretty bad film but like I said her acting goofy in it was memorable, I'm sure a fun change of pace from her typically serious fare. And you know, she just had so damn much class. Bob NP: RLJ, "Second Chance" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) - --- Mark wrote: > Here's to you, Mrs. Brooks. This Joni fan loves you > more than you could > know. Nee Anna Maria Louisa Italiano, I think Anne was one of the most easy-to-like actors in the business. And beautiful. I ran into her on the Upper West Side of NYC about 12 years ago, and seeing her took my breath away. Not just because she was Anne Bancroft, but because she was stunningly gorgeous. I first saw her in "The Graduate" when I was a teenager. If she was 73 years old when she died, she must have been in her mid to late thirties when she played the 'older' Mrs. Robinson, so she was a relatively young woman at that time. Now she seems so young to have passed away... Oy! I *have* looked at life from both sides now. - --Smurf "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:21:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc Mark wrote: > Oh come on, Kakki! Who couldn't like 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun'? Heehee - I actually loved that song! > I thought Cyndi's rendition of 'Carey' on the TNT tribute was about the > best performance of the night. I really do respect her abilities as a > singer. I do, too. Maybe I should have clarified - for some weird reason I had co-workers back in the 80s who inexplicably thought I not only looked like her but had her mannerisms. Back then I thought she kind of had a mid-80s kind of schtick, you know, and being a child of the 60s couldn't quite put together the connection. I didn't relate to a lot of the "schtick" of the 80s and so it kind of turned me off her. Her talent was quite apparent at the TNT tribute and now I am happily ready to hear more (partly because she is covering "older" songs from my era(s) LOL). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:55:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Judy (njc) Mark wrote: > I have Judy's latest cd and it seems to me that there is a lack of edgier > material on it. Her voice is miraculously pure and beautiful, though. Which is wonderful because I thought I'd read or heard she'd had some vocal issues at one point. She is blessed to still have such a voice. > But there was a time when Judy used to tackle some pretty powerful stuff. > Her recent compilation of her Leonard Cohen covers is testament to that. > She really packs a punch on her renditions of 'Dress Rehearsal Rag' and > 'Bird on a Wire'. There are other songs from Judy's earlier repertoire > that show her with real teeth in her singing. 'La Colombe', 'Pretty > Polly', 'Marat/Sade' to name a few. Yes - somewhere tucked away I have some of her earliest vinyl ablums. I should dig them out. I am not a Judy expert but generally my perception is that while she has covered some edgier works of others and traditional and contemporary protest songs, I can't recall her covering the kind of intensely personal and candid songs that, for example, Joni has written. It is still within the heavenly realm for an angel to sing about social angst and injustice but if the angel sings about personal angst they then become the individual, flawed human voice rather than the pure angelic one. Even the more personal songs she has covered seem to have an ultimately universal, perhaps profoundly affecting, but non-controversial emotional point of view. (I am NOT judging her here - these are just my observations regarding her style and the types of songs she chooses to cover). > I wonder if she doesn't feel that kind of anger or angst anymore. Maybe > after having lived through everything she's had to endure in her life - > alcoholism, her son's suicide - and having reached a point where she seems > to have made peace with herself, she just doesn't feel like she wants to > sing about emotional upheaval anymore. I call bingo here, Mark, and can relate to that point. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) I loved her comedic role in 'Fatso" and I thought she was soooooo hot as the evil Senator in GI Jane. Am sad. Am happy cuz I saw a fabulously uplifting concert of Jonathan Richman tonight, but a few of us were sad about the passing of the wonderful Anne Bancroft. I always loved her. Such a soulful face. I found her very beautiful. Em - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > Had not heard this. Very sad. I loved her in Torch Song Trilogy and > "Night > Mother. > > Jerry > > Joseph Palis said: > > Re-sending this email with an NJC tag this time. > > > > Sad to hear that Anne Bancroft passed away yesterday in NYC. I like > this > > woman a lot and although she will forever be forever associated > with her > > Mrs Robinson role in "The Graduate", for me her best performance > will > > forever be as Helene Hanff in "84 Charing Cross Road". Beats her > Anne > > Sullivan role in "The Miracle Worker" anytime. > > > > Josepjh in CH > > np: hum of the AC unit > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour > vos > > mails, photos et vidios ! > > Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:13:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: chicago njc >But I think the standout performance came from John C. Reilly. His 'Mr. Cellophane' number was great!< me too, loved his performance & that song so much! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:25:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Excuse me I am still almost 300 posts behind but is this including Kim and Bill's version and John Parker from Pazfest CD.? Inquiring minds.... Paz > Hi Sean, welcome to the JMDL and thanks for a great first post. As the > collector and database manager of Jonicovers I'm always glad to hear of new > ones coming out. Hey, as long as Sheryl doesn't do "Both Sides Now" I'm happy! > 414 (at last count) is plenty. > > I've already added Sheryl's cover to our list: http://www.jmdl.com/undercover/ > > And stay tuned as I'll be announcing Volume 65 in a couple of days. > > Bob > > NP: Sam Phillips, "All Night" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:38:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in Performing Songwriter mag Hi Joseph, Performing Songwriter is my favorite music mag... Robert Corwin is the photographer... he is a lot like Henry Diltz in that he has been around a long time & has shot many of the same artists... & the beauty of it is, he can still be found shooting performers at the folk alliance conferences as well as other festivals I imagine... when I saw his work on display at my first folk alliance & met then him & saw him still out there in the audience shooting all the performers (still trying to get one he took of me but I think it's a hopeless cause now) it gave me such a sense of history in the making... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:48:39 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" - - for some weird reason I had > co-workers back in the 80s who inexplicably thought I not only looked like > her but had her mannerisms. Kakki that's just.....wrong! Unless you've changed considerably since the 80s! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:54:16 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Judy (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" I can't recall her covering the kind of > intensely personal and candid songs that, for example, Joni has written. > It is still within the heavenly realm for an angel to sing about social > angst and injustice but if the angel sings about personal angst they then > become the individual, flawed human voice rather than the pure angelic > one. Even the more personal songs she has covered seem to have an > ultimately universal, perhaps profoundly affecting, but non-controversial > emotional point of view. (I am NOT judging her here - these are just my > observations regarding her style and the types of songs she chooses to > cover). This is certainly food for thought, Kakki. And think about it, I will. The most personal and emotionally revealing song of Judy's that I'm familiar with his her self-penned 'Albatross'. That one seems to deal a lot with her alcoholism and feelings of isolation. But it is all written in metaphors. 'Since You've Asked' is another one where she hints at certain things but doesn't come right out and say them. I'm really going to have to give this some thought. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:03:17 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" > I first saw her in "The Graduate" when I was a > teenager. If she was 73 years old when she died, she > must have been in her mid to late thirties when she > played the 'older' Mrs. Robinson, so she was a > relatively young woman at that time. I remember her talking about this or somebody commenting on it. She wasn't much older than Dustin Hoffman when they made 'The Graduate.' But boy she sure makes you believe she's a middle-aged, neurotic, manipulative and jaded suburban housewife. The scene in the hotel where Benjamin makes Mrs. Robinson talk about herself gets me every time I see it. He suggests they talk about art. She says she hates art. Then after he manipulates her (for a change) into confessing that she was pregnant with Elaine when she got married, he asks her what her major was in college. She turns away from him and the look on her face when she answers - "art" - is just devastating. "Art?..............I guess you kind of lost interest in it after you were married, huh?" ...................... "I guess so...." Yes, Bob Muller, she did indeed have a lot of class. Mark E. going to watch 'The Miracle Worker' on dvd now..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:05:56 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Anne Bancroft, 73 (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" Such a soulful face. I found her very beautiful. > Em I know what you mean, Em. There's something about that kind of face. Makes me think of Georgia O'Keefe and Frida Kahlo in some weird way even though she really didn't look that much like either of them. I have a friend who has the same kind of face. Something about the cheek bones or the eyes. Seemed like a really old soul. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:19:33 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc YOU are going straight (no Pun) to HELL! Paz > --- Randy Remote asks: > >> More trivia: When John Lennon was tripping, who kept >> telling him >> "I know what it's like to be dead", inspiring the >> song "She Said She Said"? > > > Ed Sullivan? > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:57:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc The correct answer, btw, is Peter Fonda. No point, but Sullivan DID say "I know what it's like to be Ed" Michael Paz wrote: > YOU are going straight (no Pun) to HELL! > > Paz > > > --- Randy Remote asks: > > > >> More trivia: When John Lennon was tripping, who kept > >> telling him > >> "I know what it's like to be dead", inspiring the > >> song "She Said She Said"? > > > > > > Ed Sullivan? > > > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 06:53:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Joni in Performing Songwriter mag Wow Kate!!! That's awesome. His website is www.robertcorwin.com and I am hoping to see your picture in the said magazine someday. I like the way he writes too. Actually, I thought about you and Sherelle when I saw that magazine this afternoon and half-thought that maybe I may come across any entries about you and musicians/artists that we have here in JMDL. I like the magazine too even if it was the first time I have seen it. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Joani Taylor - "You Don't Know Me" - The Art of Jazz Ballads Kate Bennett a icrit : Hi Joseph, Performing Songwriter is my favorite music mag... Robert Corwin is the photographer... he is a lot like Henry Diltz in that he has been around a long time & has shot many of the same artists... & the beauty of it is, he can still be found shooting performers at the folk alliance conferences as well as other festivals I imagine... when I saw his work on display at my first folk alliance & met then him & saw him still out there in the audience shooting all the performers (still trying to get one he took of me but I think it's a hopeless cause now) it gave me such a sense of history in the making... - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:20:09 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Judy (njc) Mark wrote: > This is certainly food for thought, Kakki. And think about it, I will. > The most personal and emotionally revealing song of Judy's that I'm > familiar with his her self-penned 'Albatross'. That one seems to deal a > lot with her alcoholism and feelings of isolation. But it is all written > in metaphors. 'Since You've Asked' is another one where she hints at > certain things but doesn't come right out and say them. Well now you have given me more food for thought! See, I read the lyrics to "Albatross" and foremost I hear the words of a benevolent, empathetic angel. The personal (I/you personally feel) seems subsumed to the universal (we/many have felt). Same as with "Since You've Asked" which is one of the few songs I used to sing and play by heart for years. From the "Albatross" Many people wander up the hills From all around you Making up your memories and thinking they have found you They cover you with veils of wonder as if you were a bride Young men holding violets are curious to know if you have cried And tell you why And ask you why Any way you answer Kind of the same sentiment that is expressed in Joni's "Trouble Child" but the approach is so different between the two. Joni's expression is more direct and straight on ("they open and close you, then they talk like they know you, they don't know you, they're friends and they're foes, too") compared to Judy's more delicate and subtle approach. Judy's style is almost Victorian in comparison (and I personally love that style). She is really a classic. Kakki P.S. I can only think the Cyndi Lauper comparison had to do with the similar crinkling eyes when I giggle ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:54:36 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re:What gives you the chills? Nice topic Jim My instant list would be:- The Lark Ascending by E VAughan Williams..all 14minutes and however many seconds Reynardine -Fairport convention The opening riffs of "Graceland" Paul Simon Horse with No Name- America "Great Beyond" REM.the acoustic version "Night swimming" and Everybody Hurts .REM Also "Millworker" and "Migration" by JT Candles in the rain/Laydown..Melanie "Fiddle and the Drum" "Magdalene Laundries" "California" & "Little Green"Joni "Telegraph Road" Dire Straits "The Hebrew Slaves Chorus" from the opera Nabucco (Brain gone AWOL so cant remember if its puccini or not) "Moonlight Sonata" Beethoven For me "goose bumps" and music usually have to do with some sort of emotional response to the first time I heard the piece. EAch one of these pieces of music deeply affected me in some way or another when I heard them, or they were playing at a time I felt a particular sentiment. I can absolutely pinpoint the situation I was in when I heard each piece "consciously" for the first time. We do hear things unconsciously and maybe from pre-birth and maybe pre-this lifetime. The whole folk thing is almost primordial and it is about roots and cultural inheritance. I have friends who do not listen to anything except "classical music" and are knowledgeable beyond reason on the history, culture and performance behind what they listen to. They ge t chills from stuff that leaves me cold... and they dont get what I listen to........ They were all brought up by parents who adored classical, they went to public schools (private schools) where they were steeped in "culture" and I find they cannot cross over to the broader sweeps of the musical landscape whereas I can. anyway, goosebumps or not its time for me to get to work Have good days all of you Lucy Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:49:46 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What gives you the chills? * the high notes in "California" on the "BLUE" album. * McCartney's high harmony, octave jump at the very end of "Nowhere Man". >no where plans for nobody> * "Fire and Rain", almost every time for more than 20 years. * several Tori songs on "Under the Pink". EDITED ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #233 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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