From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #231 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 231 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article [Bob Muller ] Re: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory [] RE: the folk thing NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: the folk thing NJC [Deb Messling ] RE: Physiology of music, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: the folk thing NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article [Gary Z ] Re: Physiology of music, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article [Bob Muller ] Re: Favourite Joni moments [Doug ] Re: Joni covers, Joni project and Grace now just Grace and njc [Catherine] Re: Physiology of music, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] What gives you the chills? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: the folk thing NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: the folk thing NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: the folk thing NJC [Smurf ] Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article ["Mark Scott" ] RE: the folk thing NJC [Smurf ] Re:NJC Faux Folk Songs ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JS (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc [vince ] Re: Judy (njc) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article Thanks to Doug Meek, I was able to watch the Saskatchewan Centennial broadcast, Very little Joni content, and lots of over-the-top productions, but it was cool that there were only 2 standing O's of the night; One, when the Queen Mother came strolling in (and I suppose you have to pretty much stand for her Highness) and when Joni came onstage after what I thought was a pretty awful medley of her most popular songs. I felt like that was a much more sincere standing ovation, as if the crowd had tolerated the parade of personalities who had performed just so they could acknowledge Joni, but then again that come from my skewed perspective. Bob NP: Southern Culture On The Skids, "Fried Chicken And Gasoline" PS: Welcome back, Mags! - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:49:36 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs I've always loved the dulcimer intro to All I Want - it seemed to signal "and now for something completely different." Always thought the leap from LOTC to Blue was the biggest leap Joni made. Also always liked the first line in Court and Spark: "Love came to my door..." her voice so low and un-helium-like. Great thread! At 10:38 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: >What are your favorite moments in her songs? Like a part you really love >when it climaxes or when she does a unique vocal stretch. Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:10:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory Beautiful post!!!!!! I love folk music, always have, ever since I was a little kid. Especially the anglo and celtic stuff - maybe it's in my genes. I remember that the melody for "Barbara Allen" was so beautiful it scared me a little - does that make any sense? I can't pin down my first musical memory, but a lot of folk was floating around my house, filtered through the early sixties folk revival people like PP&M and the Kingston Trio and Joan Baez. If I reach far back, I remember Lily Marlene, which made me sad, but I loved it. Maybe my German genes. I don't like trying to define and pin down folk music. I get annoyed with the folk purists and I get annoyed with people like Joni who dismiss the whole genre. At 09:30 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: >Well now!!.. Hi everyone who has been on this theme.... I used to know >what folk was... Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:16:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: the folk thing NJC You go, Em! Your cotton-wearing, folk-loving pal, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:47 PM To: jonilist Subject: the folk thing NJC I'm just wondering what it would be like if people were spoofing/making fun of jazz, instead of folk music on here. Making over-broad generalizations and using social stereotypes. First of all, it would never happen on this list. But 2nd of all, the perps would be cut brand new assh_les right away. Because when it boils down to it, this is a jazz list - these threads and their offshoots have made it quite openly apparent. Which is fine, I have nothing but the highest respect for real jazz. In fact, I think some of it now qualifies as folk music. Same with blues. Fusion ain't never EVER gonna be folk music. I'm sure that won't chap anyone's butt, because fusion people would never aspire to folk music status. Public domain?? whats that? Plus they might have to wear 100% cotton or hemp, instead of their FINE polyester duds. To me folk music is mother's milk. Its the source - its from whence it all came. It is the primordial ooze. The other stuff is all, one way or another, an offshoot. And I'm sure someone could intellectualize me into the ground over this. But I just had to put in my .02. I tried not to! I swear! I tried. Em < Subject: Re: the folk thing NJC When I said in my previous post that "Barbara Allen" scared me a little, I think it was because even as a tiny child, I seemed to have a deep, long memory of that song. I couldn't identify the memory. I was a tiny kid, what business did I have to feel this bittersweet nostalgia over a melody? Maybe the explanation is that my sister sang it to my in my cradle, I don't know. But when Em said "primordial ooze," I started thinking "collective unconscious." Are there all these folk songs floating out there in the universe that we all just channel? Do I remember this song from another life? (ooh, Twilight Zone music). At 06:47 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: >To me folk music is mother's milk. Its the source - its from whence it >all came. It is the primordial ooze. The other stuff is all, one way or >another, an offshoot. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:46:42 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Physiology of music, njc Hi Laura, What's "the chills" response? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY - -----Original Message----- From: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu [mailto:jlamadoo@fuse.net] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Physiology of music, njc Laura et al, Sheet music shows the rhythm and repetition of music visually. Melody, order, repetition, and calculated doses of dissonance appeal to our brains. I guess Carl Sagan would have said it like this, "We are wired for music." But, what is the "chills" response? James Taylor called it "goose flesh" in the Squibnocket Pond video. Sometimes it's the back of the skull, other times it's in the spine, or the hair on the forearm stands up. I don't think football fans get "chills" when a long pass in the closing seconds wins the game. Are the chills strictly an "art response"? What's going on physiologically? Jim np: "Refuge of the Roads" video. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:49:15 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: the folk thing NJC Em wrote: > I'm just wondering what it would be like if people > were spoofing/making fun of jazz, instead of folk > music on here. Making over-broad generalizations > and using social stereotypes. First of all, it > would never happen on this list. Incorrect - I would make fun of jazz in a second, and have done in the past. I would make fun of any genre of music - folk, jazz, rap, pop, disco, punk, blue-grass, country, classical, whatever (and for the record, I like all of these). There are stereotypes associated with all of them, and I'm an equal-opportunity satirist. However, the topic under discussion was folk music, not any of those listed above. But if a sense of humour is no longer tolerated on this list, I will be posting less frequently on all topics in the future.... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:59:09 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article I agree Bob with your assessment of the centennial show. The one thing that really bugged me (and still does) is that was there NO ONE who took care of Joni well enough to think to tuck the girl's blouse (or dress) tag back in???? That poor tag was flipped up the whole time! Joni, if you or any of your mob is reading this, I would be most happy to volunteer to manage your wardrobe for you and take care that you appear properly, without such minor (but annoying) wardrobe malfunctions!! I'm glad to see you back too Mags!! Best, Gary Bob Muller wrote: >Thanks to Doug Meek, I was able to watch the Saskatchewan Centennial broadcast, Very little Joni content, and lots of over-the-top productions, but it was cool that there were only 2 standing O's of the night; One, when the Queen Mother came strolling in (and I suppose you have to pretty much stand for her Highness) and when Joni came onstage after what I thought was a pretty awful medley of her most popular songs. I felt like that was a much more sincere standing ovation, as if the crowd had tolerated the parade of personalities who had performed just so they could acknowledge Joni, but then again that come from my skewed perspective. > >Bob > >NP: Southern Culture On The Skids, "Fried Chicken And Gasoline" > >PS: Welcome back, Mags! > > > >--------------------------------- >Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: first music & folk first music memory- my mom playing her uke (which i soon took over) * singing songs while waiting for the dinner to cook (or burn- i can relate, hard to play & cook at the same time) catherine i think mentioned that ani called herself a folk musician... i don't know if its tongue in cheek but i think ani is a perfect example of a folk musician ... she plays a mean guitar, writes social commentary & can pull off a solo performance well... plus she's indie... doesn't get more authentically folk than that these days ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: the folk thing NJC Hi guys, I meant what I said, generally. But I said it in a pugnacious way, which I regret. Sounds like I'm pulling a punch, I know. But the fact is, I'm not in the business or habit of "punching", and so I'm getting my butterfly net out and running after the "punch" hoping to catch it before it does any harm to any flower. (you all) Large apes... Em ps: but I still think folk is the bees knees..... and I adore when it meshes with jazz, actually thinking Pentangle...and (forgive me) you know there may be more... - --- Em wrote: > I'm just wondering what it would be like if people were > spoofing/making > fun of jazz, instead of folk music on here. Making over-broad > generalizations and using social stereotypes. > First of all, it would never happen on this list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:37:01 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Physiology of music, njc Jim wrote: Hi Laura, What's "the chills" response? Hi Jim, The "chills" response is something that can be amplified when Dr's pills give you brand new ills. No, seriously, it has to do with the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system which is best known for creating the fight or flight response. Two things are important to consider in understanding the chills component of the fight or flight reaction: 1) Differing outcomes in the nervous system are typically dependent upon the degree of activation, meaning number of neurons activated or graded amounts of stimuli. 2) The sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system is a motor system rather than a sensory system, however some of the function can be considered overlapping with the sensory system since there is an emotional component involved when it is activated. The sympathetic nervous system tends to be activated in multiple areas of the body at one time but not necessarily all areas are activated together. For this reason, "chills" can involve different areas of the body and have different intensities. If one is intensely emotional about something but doesn't have a dramatic fear or anger reaction which elicits the full blown fight or flight reaction, they can have the chills response which is basically a toned down version of the fight or flight reaction. When one's sympathetic nervous system is minimally activated (not the full blown fight or flight reaction) one can have a tingly feeling in particular areas of the body and contraction of the pilomotor muscles that stand the hair up which gives a "goose bumps" appearance. Also, when one has a sympathetic "chill" reaction, one's pupils dilate and the upper eyelid slightly recedes to open the eye a little wider... components of the fight or flight reaction for seeing an approaching predator from a wider range of vision. These responses of the eye are easy to see if you look closely and are a good indicator of whether or not you are "turning on" somebody. In pictures, they have been associated with the person having a more sexy or warm eye appearance. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article I couldn't figure out if it was a garment tag or a tag associated with that "purse-on-the-back" thingy she totes around. Either way, it was embarrassing - it was if she had a damn cling-free hanging onto the bottom of her skirt or the camera zooms in to reveal a strand of spinach stuck between her teeth. Heck, I'll tell a total stranger that they have a tag sticking up in the back. Bob NP: Blue Man Group, "Mandelgroove" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:13:36 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Physiology of music, njc Ms. Stanley, Thanks very much for this answer. The "chills" response has always seemed complex and elusive and this explains why. I wonder if the songs that provoke the response are most often about life-altering situations, like "Ameila". I'll bet cautionary tales are disproportionately represented among "chill" songs. This theory wouldn't explain the high notes in "California". Hmm... I'm keeping this post. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu PS, Here's another question: How can we reconcile Israel and the Palestinians? Please use your own words. Remember to compare and contast. Time's up. Pencil's down. From: LCStanley7@aol.com [mailto:LCStanley7@aol.com] > The sympathetic nervous system tends to be activated in multiple areas of the body at one time but not necessarily all areas are activated together. For this reason, "chills" can involve different areas of the body and have different intensities. If one is intensely emotional about something but doesn't have a dramatic fear or anger reaction which elicits the full blown fight or flight reaction, they can have the chills response which is basically a toned down version of the fight or flight reaction. When one's sympathetic nervous system is minimally activated (not the full blown fight or flight reaction) one can have a tingly feeling in particular areas of the body and contraction of the pilomotor muscles that stand the hair up which gives a "goose bumps" appearance. Also, when one has a sympathetic "chill" reaction, one's pupils dilate and the upper eyelid slightly recedes to open the eye a little wider... components of the fight or flight reaction for seeing an approaching predator from a wider range of vision. These responses of the eye are easy to see if you look closely and are a good indicator of whether or not you are "turning on" somebody. In pictures, they have been associated with the person having a more sexy or warm eye appearance. Love, Laura> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:29:02 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Favourite Joni moments one of my favorites... I'm gonna blow this damn candle out, Idon'twantnobodycommin'overtomytable. Igotnuthin'totalktoanybodyabout. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni covers, Joni project and Grace now just Grace and njc - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Speaking of Grace, I watched VH1's "The 50 most > awesomely bad songs ever" and the Starship's "We > Built This City" finished at the top of the heap (or > the bottom depending on how you looked at it). The > big criticism that the critics had was that given > the level of talent involved, they should have know > better. > Hey, if it's good enough for Homer Simpson... d'oh! that probably isn't a good thing. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:33:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Physiology of music, njc Jim wrote: PS, Here's another question: How can we reconcile Israel and the Palestinians? Please use your own words. Remember to compare and contast. Time's up. Pencil's down. Hi Jim, I've believe that reconciliation for them can only come through a third party to moderate between them. I think Joni would make a good moderator for this. If I could request a new song for her to write, reconciliation between Israel and Palestine would be a good topic. Speaking of reconciliation, I've just experienced it major in my life through AA. I made amends with my old girlfriend who I never thought would let me back into her life, but she was willing to let me make amends. I stopped to see her in Birmingham for the first time in over 20 years, when I was coming back from Florida Saturday. We went to Mass together yesterday, and the priest started his sermon talking about a stock broker and an Akron physician... Bill W. and Dr. Bob, who were founders of AA. I just about hit the roof!!! Then he said something like it can take 20 years for an alcoholic to finally become sober. Talk about God's grace in that sermon! It was very obvious to my friend and even to my children. God can work miracles along the line of reconciliation. For me God uses AA as the means. I never would have been able to reconcile with my friend without the sobriety of mind I've gained through AA. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:49:46 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What gives you the chills? * the high notes in "California" on the "BLUE" album. * McCartney's high harmony, octave jump at the very end of "Nowhere Man". >no where plans for nobody> * "Fire and Rain", almost every time for more than 20 years. * several Tori songs on "Under the Pink". * the repetition, then fade part of "It's All Too Much", a Harrison song on MMT. * The inexplicable multiple endings of "Sitting In the Back Seat of My Car", by Paul & Linder McCartney. * "Exodus" by Beth Patterson & "Kashmir" by Led Zepplin. It's that inside-out, indian influence that sounds dangerous. (Laura's fight or flight response) * "Saeta", eerily arranged by Gil Evans; inside-out, dangerous solo by Miles Davis. * Nothing from Steely Dan. I have all of their studio albums but... no chills. What up with that? * the synth part of Baba O'Reilly, especially mit der lasers in "THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT". and the ultimate chill producer... * the collection formerly known as "Side Two of Abbey Road". What's your list? Instigating, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the folk thing NJC - --- Deb Messling wrote: > When I said in my previous post that "Barbara Allen" > scared me a little, I > think it was because even as a tiny child, I seemed > to have a deep, long > memory of that song. I couldn't identify the > memory. I was a tiny kid, > what business did I have to feel this bittersweet > nostalgia over a melody? > It's a pretty scary song, when you think about it. The guy is dying, but Barbara Allen makes fun of him and the fact that he loves her. He dies and then she's sorry she was so mean to him. So she dies too. They're buried together. Love kills you and you can never be with the one you love until after you're dead. I think if I had been a little kid when I first heard that one, I would have had nightmares for weeks! But yeah, I think there are certain melodies that we somehow recognize. I'm sure there is a collective unconscious, even if I can't prove it. (I've always known. Heh-heh-heh.) > Maybe the explanation is that my sister sang it to > my in my cradle, I don't > know. But when Em said "primordial ooze," I started > thinking "collective > unconscious." Are there all these folk songs > floating out there in the > universe that we all just channel? Do I remember > this song from another > life? (ooh, Twilight Zone music). > I've heard that theory before - about music (and maybe other ideas) floating around until someone channels them. Interesting idea, that. We're just scribes for the muse, maybe. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: the folk thing NJC - --- hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Em wrote: > > > I'm just wondering what it would be like if people > > were spoofing/making fun of jazz, instead of folk > > music on here. Making over-broad generalizations > > and using social stereotypes. First of all, it > > would never happen on this list. > > Incorrect - I would make fun of jazz in a second, > and have > done in the past. I would make fun of any genre of > music - > folk, jazz, rap, pop, disco, punk, blue-grass, > country, > classical, whatever (and for the record, I like all > of > these). There are stereotypes associated with all > of them, > and I'm an equal-opportunity satirist. However, the > topic > under discussion was folk music, not any of those > listed > above. Hmm. I've seen the question, "What is folk?" asked and various attempts at answering it. But I don't remember anyone dissing folk (except maybe Joni, who says she's not a folk singer, and neither is she a feminist.) I enjoyed Hell's spoof. I don't think anyone could have written something like that without getting it, and that suggest they also like it (otherwise, why would they bother, unless they were trying to piss off their older sibling or something). That's the problem when you try to categorize things - there's always something that doesn't fit nicely into the niche, so you gots to smash it down with a hammer until it fits, dammit! I consider the blues to be a kind of folk music too. Some people call all that stuff (the blues, bluegrass, folk, country, and you know there may be more) "roots" music. I'm not sure if that helps but it does mean fewer categories to try to shove stuff into. I'm kind of fond of granola too and I prefer cotton and linen over polyster, but I hate ironing with a passion! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: the folk thing NJC - --- Em wrote: > To me folk music is mother's milk. Its the source - > its from whence it > all came. It is the primordial ooze. The other stuff > is all, one way or > another, an offshoot. I agree, Em. To me, folk music is music from the, well, folk. There's often -- in my idea of what folk means, anyway - -- an element of populism to the music. So country music or rhythm & blues or rap could all be considered a form of folk music to me in a way that jazz or fusion could never be. I think maybe that's why people often use the word "traditional" when talking about folk music. The way I see it, "folk" music in general is really an ever-evolving thing, whereas "traditional folk" music is basically what it is unless someone interprets it and/or performs it in some weird way. Then it becomes something more like "from the traditional folk song ___." - --Smurf NPIMH: Black 47's "Danny Boy" "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:36:56 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article From: "Bob Muller" or the camera zooms in to reveal a strand of spinach stuck between her teeth. A camera pans the cocktail hour Behind a blind of potted palms And finds a lady in a Paris dress With runs in her nylons ................................................. Nothing is capsulized in me On either side of town The streets were never really mine Not mine, not mine these glamour gowns ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs I've always loved the plain words that complement the simple guitar work of "Woman of Heart and Mind." I even love the sound of Joni's blessed fingerprints squeaking along the strings. Then again, I just love the "drone of flying engines" noises of "Amelia." Or her voice on The Chieftains' "Magdalene Laundries." - --Smurf "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: the folk thing NJC - --- Catherine wrote: > I hate ironing with a > passion! So try using an iron. XO, - --Smurf "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:20:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re:NJC Faux Folk Songs > Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda. I had a dog once upon a time (not named after a color hell!) who I named matilda... after the song for some reason PS I had a friend who named his cat blue... I thought that was pretty cool at the time ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:25:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JS (njc) Hi Bob, >Given the fact that her voice still sounds so good, I'd love to hear to >take on Borderline, Sunny Sunday, Slouching Towards Bethlehem or any number >of songs >from TTT. But no sour grapes from me...I'll take whatever I can >get. It's just that when an interpreter of song or her magnitude just does >the early stuff it's almost >validation that that's all there is to Joni. Good point. I ran into same friends again tonight and they were still gushing on and on about how sweet Judy is (the small Borders audience got to chat a lot with her after the show). I dunno - maybe it is Judy's classic aura of sweetness that "limits" her. We are so used to Judy being as one of the angels that covering Borderline, Slouching or some of Joni's more edgy or profound work might somehow jar the comfort of some fans' perception of her. But, of course, Judy has the full talent to cover any of Joni's songs. > Speaking of Grace, I watched VH1's "The 50 most awesomely bad songs ever" > and the Starship's "We Built This City" finished at the top of the heap > (or the >bottom depending on how you looked at it). The big criticism that > the critics had was that given the level of talent involved, they should > have know better. I think they are regularly bestowed that honor every year - heh heh. I think part of the problem was that most all of the original talent was missing from that particular recording - Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Balin and Kantner had bailed during that period. Kantner is now moderating the official JS website and in his opening commentary of the history of the evolution of the band there is a pointed omission of that recording and telling references to the "original" JS and the later reconstituted JS in the early 90s with most of the original band reunited. I think they are really embarrassed it was done in their name and do not want to be associated with the stinker! LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:29:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc Reuben wrote: >A great album! Cyndi's versions of "Until You Come Back To Me" and "Stay" > are fantastic and BIG, and "Walk On By", "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" > and > "You've Really Got A Hold On Me" Well, that does it - the last thing I would think to do would be to buy a Cyndi Lauper album but those are four of my all time favorite songs and with the raves piling on here, I guess I'll have to finally cross over! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 02:38:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc I didn't care for it much, and never play it/ Just a different perspective. I didn''t think she added anything of the quality of what she did at the Joni tribute. Vince Kakki wrote: > Reuben wrote: > >> A great album! Cyndi's versions of "Until You Come Back To Me" and >> "Stay" >> are fantastic and BIG, and "Walk On By", "Don't Let Me Be >> Misunderstood" and >> "You've Really Got A Hold On Me" > > > Well, that does it - the last thing I would think to do would be to > buy a Cyndi Lauper album but those are four of my all time favorite > songs and with the raves piling on here, I guess I'll have to finally > cross over! ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:46:10 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Judy (njc) From: "Kakki" I dunno - maybe it is Judy's classic > aura of sweetness that "limits" her. We are so used to Judy being as one > of the angels that covering Borderline, Slouching or some of Joni's more > edgy or profound work might somehow jar the comfort of some fans' > perception of her. But, of course, Judy has the full talent to cover any > of Joni's songs. I have Judy's latest cd and it seems to me that there is a lack of edgier material on it. Her voice is miraculously pure and beautiful, though. But there was a time when Judy used to tackle some pretty powerful stuff. Her recent compilation of her Leonard Cohen covers is testament to that. She really packs a punch on her renditions of 'Dress Rehearsal Rag' and 'Bird on a Wire'. There are other songs from Judy's earlier repertoire that show her with real teeth in her singing. 'La Colombe', 'Pretty Polly', 'Marat/Sade' to name a few. I wonder if she doesn't feel that kind of anger or angst anymore. Maybe after having lived through everything she's had to endure in her life - alcoholism, her son's suicide - and having reached a point where she seems to have made peace with herself, she just doesn't feel like she wants to sing about emotional upheaval anymore. She sure did a bangup job with Cohen's 'A Thousand Kisses Deep' on Democracy, though. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:48:46 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" n Me" > > Well, that does it - the last thing I would think to do would be to buy a > Cyndi Lauper album Oh come on, Kakki! Who couldn't like 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun'? I thought Cyndi's rendition of 'Carey' on the TNT tribute was about the best performance of the night. I really do respect her abilities as a singer. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #231 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)