From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 230 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni covers, Joni project and Grace ["Kakki" ] Re: Faux Folk Songs [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Sara K. female singers, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: favorite moments [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc [Jerry Notaro ] Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory [] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc [Reuben Bell ] Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc [Garret ] female singers, njc [Joseph Palis ] Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: favorite moments [Joseph Palis ] Re: female singers, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Re: favorite moments [FMYFL@aol.com] re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs ["J.DAVID SAPP" ] Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game [Catherine McK] re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory [] Favourite Joni moments ["Ric Robinson" ] this is too weird!!!!!!! [Em ] Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game [m] Re: Folking about with music!! NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] RE: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game NJC ["Richard F] Re: Joni covers, Joni project and Grace [Bob Muller ] Re: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory [] [none] [littlebreen@comcast.net] the folk thing NJC [Em ] Re: this is too weird!!!!!!! [jrmco1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:30:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni covers, Joni project and Grace Tonight Steve Dulson and I saw the Joni Project play at the Coffee Gallery here in Altadena. As previously described they had an assortment of 8 or 9 Martin, Taylor and Guild guitars at the ready in various Joni tunings. Comprised of two female vocalists playing guitar and dulcimer and a band playing percussion, congas, keyboards, clarinet and sax and bass, it was a fun and interesting experience. They covered songs from just about all Joni eras (but not Hejira - yet). Paul Carman on sax/clarinet channeled Wayne Shorter and Tom Scott especially well and Kevin Hamby on bass was equally amazing. The group particularly shone on songs where the entire band participated. They have only recently begun to work together on the Joni project and so have not yet done any recordings (so no covers yet unless I get a bootleg somehow). They seemed really happy that two "reps" from "Joni's fan club" were there and asked us to spread the word ;-) In other cover news, a few friends recently saw Judy Collins doing an in-store at a local Borders. They said she was astounding and they also met up with Joni art director Robbie Cavolina at the event. Don't know if this is yet on Bob's radar but she covers "Song About the Midway" on her new album "Portrait of an American Girl." From the sound clip online, her version sounds Judy-glorious. As the Joni Project tonight covered "People's Parties," the line "stone cold Grace behind her fan" reminded me to put out the word that Grace Slick is again exhibiting her art at 319 Gallery in Santa Monica and will be in-house on June 18th. I did a review here of her show in Westwood a year or so back, and it is well worth experiencing - especially when she is in attendance. Here are more details plus some photos of some of her work at this link http://gallery-319.com/slick.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:44:42 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Faux Folk Songs >What are you talking about? This is our national anthem! Well, it sure beats "Our land is girt by sea" < OMG!!! How could you possibly suggest a folk song about a homeless thief as our national anthem? I'm horrified. At least "girt by sea" describes our geographical location. What does Waltzing Matilda describe? We all live in the bush, stealing people's sheep and running from the law. Frankly, I think Advance Australia Fair is one of the finest national anthems in the world. It describes hope, freedom, fairness and multiculturism. Mark in Sydney NP New restored version of Blue - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:19:23 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Sara K. female singers, njc Jim wrote; > If a 49 year old guy near Cincinnati thinks Sara K is hip, she's completely > irrelevant, right? > > Anyway, she can play blues like Keb Mo. She can switch between a blues > voice like Giselle Hawkins to a gospel wail that's "dead-on" Aretha > Franklin. She writes some blues tunes & some about family & nature. She > has really talented people around, including the recording engineer(s). > Sara K. is interesting, started out playing more rural blues and the live (same as the DVD) is more jazz. I prefer the former period. Other singers in the same range are: Beverly Jo Scott, an american currently living in Belgium and with many albums under her belt, and also Louise Taylor from Maine. To stay in the female singer category, just discovered Alana Davis' Blame It On Me. I think that she as well as Louise Taylor have some "Joni" qualities. To complement Cindy Lauper's At Last, I got Linda Ronstadt latest Hummin' to Myself where she does mostly jazz standards and the American Songbook with a small jazz ensemble. I was never a big fan of Linda, but I must admit that listening to her version of Cry Me a River, among others, does makes life a little better. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:12:07 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite moments What are your favorite moments in her songs? The first time I heard The Fiddle and the Drum and waited, and waited, and waited for the instruments, but the only one was Joni's voice. Love, Laura back from the long and winding road ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:20:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc > I own a copy of Cyndi Lauper's "At Last" album and I like it a lot. I like it > when singers not usually associated with jazz or traditional pop approach the > standards repertoire and put their stamps on these songs. I second that. A great cd. I saw her at a small venue on the At Last tour and it ranked way there on my Best Of list. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:30:37 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory Well now!!.. Hi everyone who has been on this theme.... I used to know what folk was... For me, as a child, folk music was stuff that you sang, usually with a finger in one ear to get the harmonies right. You HAD to wear a rustic smock, be accompanied by someone on an accordian and fiddle, or no instrument save for your voice, and there would be large amounts of cider involved. People who sang FOLK music usually had large beards and wore moleskin pants and had newspaper and twine around their legs.... (keeps the rats out) The venue might be a heavy weave open sided tent on a harvest field at a country fair, or in a barn after the harvest came in. The lyrics were usually about unrequited love, fighting for a king you did not love, or for a parliamentarian army you despised, having to leave your homeland to go to the colonies for a crime you did not commit, being tempted away from your true love by a gyspy man or woman, meeting the ghost of your loved one and generally trapsing about in long dresses or rustic trousers dripping with the foggy foggy dew that always seems to be in the trees, or in the long green grass (where you are going to lay you down to die of unrequited love etc., see the foregoing). It was a world of romance (oh and a bit of hardwork that was always done in golden sunlight of a warm British Summer (?????) by men and women who were simple and happy and there was lots of lacing on trousers and bodices and much in the way of merry making and being thankful.....OH....... And lets not forget the Morris Dancing... True there was stuff from the midlands and Northern Cities about the mill workers and miners and the poverty and about starving families being "cast away in the cold light of day, for they had not money for the rent to pay, and the baby died and the mother did cry for the cruelty of the millwork for the cotton-o" These songs and tunes were labelled FOLK and they are to be found in very very faded and well thumbed books called ENGLISH FOLK TUNES and THE GOLDEN TREASURY OF ENGLISH FOLK TUNES and FOLK TUNES FOR HARVEST AND OTHER RURAL FESTIVALS. And then things changed... for me it was Ewan MaColl and Peggy Seeger who began a whole series of looking at the world of work and the folk tunes around the British industries. "Singing the Fishing" was for me my epiphany. The hay bales and heavy horses decked in brasses fell away for the sloping grey seas of the " NOrthern Minch and the Norway Deep and the banks and knolls of the NorthSea shoals where the Herring's to be found" Songs of toil and sweat and labour and lives lost so we could eat fish, and there were no fairies and no returning heroes from wars....... "Come on leave off your yarning lads, for talk wont pay your debts" replaced for me "I once walked lonely neath leaves so green and thought of Johnny my lovely" Deep deep into my very young and very English heart went the "gut and Slump" of the fish trade and the idea of Fish having a Hierarchy within the fishing trade. I cannot see fishing boats even now without thinking of the horrendous perils they face. (even if we leave out swingeing quotas, European stragleholds, over-fishing by foreign fleets and Factory Fleets.its a tough life) And so folk for me had a very specific place until I started listening to some albums that were hanging about in my brothers stash of LPs ....this would have been 1969.... I had already grown to enjoy and love Donovans music, and had fallen under the spell of Marianne Faithfull (she sang some gentle stuff about little birds etc,.I never looked any deeper at that age, welll you dont ..do you?).... and then I discovered Joan Baez. Aged 12 I loved her wild voice. AND OH MY GOD.... she sang about being tempted away by gypsies, and un-requited love and THIS WAS FOLK MUSIC...but she was NOT ENGLISH...... I questioned my brother about this and he said (nowadays a DUUH-URRR would have accompanied his explanation) "Well yeah man, its American Folk"..... Its not all about bloody fishing anymore..look outside... " And then I suppose I grew up.. Suddenly MY MUSIC EARS "Happened" for me. and the world of Folk blew wide and the Rolling Stones got in big time and Led Zeppelin and loads of stuff that had more to do with the boyfriends i had ........ then I heard BLUE..... Just fell under that album and have got out from under it but that is why I am writing to the list....that was my Joni moment.. BUT she is NOT what I consider FOLK. I can understand why people called her a folk singer, because she was NOT ROCK.. Plus she hung about with JT and he was NOT ROCK (although he does some mean blues) and that really was the choice (in England anyway) at the time Joni was at her most public over here. You either did FOLK or ROCK....... ever the opportunist I liked both.........but I cannot sing or play ROCK.. I can sing and play FOLK, however. Folk music (with the soggy hems and lost loves and yearning) is why I learned to play the guitar ..."The cuckoo is a pretty bird" was the first song I actually learned when I look in my diary. I started of with a longing to learn to play (which I did) Ralph McTell and stuff by Pentangle.... then it was JOan Baez and Joni and bits of this and that. FOLK IS about work and life and regions and love etc,..BUT IT IS SO MUCH MORE for me......and in the terms of my reference and all of our personal references what matters to us is what matters to us......... so ... beyond all the foregoing ....... It is, for me, about the meeting of Folk and Rock in Sandy Denny and that particular era of Fairport Convention, its about Maddy Prior and Steeleye Span, its about going to Cropredy Festival, its about hearing the first strains of a Harvest Call on a fiddle, its about heather and heathland and about times gone by and about times to come. Folk is an international feeling for me. It transcends arrangement nowadays. Kate Rusby sings FOLK in the traditional sense but its also SO modern........ I feel FOLK in French songs, Spanish songs, Songs from Australia, New Zealand and America, I hear Natalie Merchant singing Motherland and that to me is a FOLK SONG. It is about reality and about simplicity and complication, the conundrums of the day to day life we all live. In the heart of many songs will be a note or a small refrain that to me hits my FOLK button hard on the head. That song will go deep. Peter Gabriel singing "Dont give up" with Kate Bush...FOLK.. take out the elctronics...its a FOLK song in sentiment. Ever the eclectic and ever the musical vagabond what I listen to and what hits me in the core ranges wide and far. A bit like the gypsies and the wayfaring strangers and the lost loves and lonesome returning heroes from their resentful wars...... and it rests in the wings of Donovan and Dylan and glides over Joan Baez and Joni, it twines itself around Sandy Denny and the British Folk Rock of the 70s and hides in the pubs and local live performances of the 80s, and in the 90s fell back to me in my re-discovering of what was my core musical resonance. I will never know what it would have been like to have been any other way. I will not ever understand being brought up with Blue Grass, or Jazz, or the Blues, or Cajun, or all the Latin American music at the heart of my musical tastes. That is what I love about music and the people here in the JMDL. We all resonate to different musical influences as young kids...... What is your first ever musical memory........? Mine was being at the piano with my grandmother whilst she sang Molly Malone to us. My father was still away at sea so I would have been about 3 or 4. That was it. MUST GO, thanks for the ramble, ignore if you want to. Love and hugs to all Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:56:23 -0400 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc A great album! Cyndi's versions of "Until You Come Back To Me" and "Stay" are fantastic and BIG, and "Walk On By", "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" and "You've Really Got A Hold On Me" are quiet and heartbreaking in a way I hadn't heard them before. "Hymn To Love" is my favorite. I've seen Cyndi at least 15 times in the last few years, and she is one of the very best live performers I have ever seen. Go if you get the chance... Reuben On 6/6/05, Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > I own a copy of Cyndi Lauper's "At Last" album and I like it a lot. I > like it > > when singers not usually associated with jazz or traditional pop > approach the > > standards repertoire and put their stamps on these songs. > > I second that. A great cd. I saw her at a small venue on the At Last tour > and it ranked way there on my Best Of list. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:24:03 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper At Last njc Well based on all of your comments i will eventually get my hands on that one. I listened to some of those short clips on amazon and some of it really does sound impressive. I think i will enjoy it. GARRET NP- Nina Simone, I Shall Be Released Quoting Jerry Notaro : > > I own a copy of Cyndi Lauper's "At Last" album and I like it a lot. I like > it > > when singers not usually associated with jazz or traditional pop approach > the > > standards repertoire and put their stamps on these songs. > > I second that. A great cd. I saw her at a small venue on the At Last tour > and it ranked way there on my Best Of list. > > Jerry > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:36:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: female singers, njc Yes, I like Alana Davis' debut album Blame It On Me -- it has a good cover of Ani DiFranco's 32 Flavors And Then Some plus stand out winners in Turtle and Round and Around. If used as background music, there is a samey-ness to the whole proceedings but taking each individual song on its own, most are really very well-written and decently performed. I dont have her second album Cookie Fortune but I got her Surrender Dorothy which is her latest and features her in more upbeat and has some similarities to a Lucinda Williams via Car Wheels on a Gravel Road than Ani DiFranco's Not So Soft. But I remembered when Blame It On Me came out in the late 90s. It was among the three best CDs of Time Magazine (along with Erykah Badu's Baduizm and Anne Sofie Von Otter's Schubert Lieder). Laurent, I don't have Linda Ronstadt's Hummin' To Myself album yet (I buy only used copies) but one review (maybe allmusic.com) said that compared to her similar albums with Nelson Riddle in the 80s, Hummin' To Myself eschewed big band arrangements and favored a more intimate reading of songs. I may check that out in second-hand stores (along with Regina Belle's Lazy Afternoon). Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Jeff Buckley "Nightmares By The Sea" - Sketches for my Sweetheart The Drunk Laurent Olszer a icrit : just discovered Alana Davis' Blame It On Me. I think that she as well as Louise Taylor have some "Joni" qualities. To complement Cindy Lauper's At Last, I got Linda Ronstadt latest Hummin' to Myself where she does mostly jazz standards and the American Songbook with a small jazz ensemble. I was never a big fan of Linda, but I must admit that listening to her version of Cry Me a River, among others, does makes life a little better. Laurent - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:39:20 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs Here's a gem that I didn't "hear correctly" till I read the lyrics as she sang "This Flight Tonight". Joni said, >I saw a falling star burn up> >Above the Las Vegas sands> When she skips through all of those syllables, it shows the influence Annie Ross made on Joni. http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=ThisFlightTonight All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu "Lama" Covington, KY, US ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:41:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: jonimitchell.com, njc Les, What's new at jonimitchell.com? Jim L'Hommedieu np: "Caught In the Act", Beth's 3rd disc. I have a 3 day weekend again. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:42:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: favorite moments Mine would have to be the sounds of crickets (or some nocturnal insects) in the background of Night Ride Home. Makes the song refreshing, comforting and even cozy. But then unlike many of you, my first intro to Joni was trhough this album and thats when I started getting her back catalogs. So I would say that this album and the title track have intensely personal resonances for me. Joseph in 85-degrees Chapel Hill (and I thought Manila is humid) np: Jeff Buckley - "Haven't You Heard" - Sketches for My Sweetheart The Drunk LCStanley7@aol.com a icrit : What are your favorite moments in her songs? The first time I heard The Fiddle and the Drum and waited, and waited, and waited for the instruments, but the only one was Joni's voice. Love, Laura back from the long and winding road - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:58:27 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: female singers, njc > Laurent, I don't have Linda Ronstadt's Hummin' To Myself album yet (I buy only > used copies) but one review (maybe allmusic.com) said that compared to her > similar albums with Nelson Riddle in the 80s, Hummin' To Myself eschewed big > band arrangements and favored a more intimate reading of songs. I may check > that out in second-hand stores (along with Regina Belle's Lazy Afternoon). Fabulous cd. I got it used online for $5.00. Regina's cd is well worth getting, also. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > np: Jeff Buckley "Nightmares By The Sea" - Sketches for my Sweetheart The > Drunk We all know I am the Jeff Buckley junkie around here! And speaking of Sony Legacy Editions, the 2 they have done on Jeff are superb. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:03:34 +0100 From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Subject: Re: Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs There are of course so many, but perhaps the most goose-pimple-inducing and satisfyingly perfect (at least, the one that springs to mind now - ask me again in half an hour...) is when Pat Metheny's beautiful, languid, even slightly meandering solo at the end of the live version of Amelia suddenly looms into focus and resolution, and then in come the opening picked chords of Hejira. An aural orgasm :-) Azeem in London, two days into my 40s - ok so far ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:55:21 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite moments In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:50:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, josephpalis@yahoo.fr writes: > Mine would have to be the sounds of crickets (or some nocturnal insects) in > the background of Night Ride Home That's one of my favorite moments too, Joseph! I'd also throw in from "People's Party" when she sings "Laughing it all awaaaaayeeeeeee...eeee....eeeee". As Paz would tell you, my other favorite moment is in "Song For Sharon", after the line ...."A woman I knew just drowned herself, The well was deep and muddy" and she does the oooohoooohooohooooo. I love singing that part. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:14:14 -0500 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs And when I went skating after Golden Reggie You know it was white lace I was chasing Chasing dreams (stretched out and kind of flat) Mama's nylons underneath my cowgirl jeans Song For Sharon the Overture for Cotton Avenue Like an empty spotlight - on the T'LOG of FTR - you can feel the = starkness of the empty spotlight peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 6/6/05 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article Winnipeg Free Press Friday June 3, 2005 SASKATOON - A group of Saskatoon residents is pushing for construction of a centre dedicated to the musical career of Saskatchewan-born recording artist and painter Joni Mitchell. The Joni Mitchell Discovery Centre would feature mementoes, albums, and photographs in a building at a new riverfront development called River Landing. Among the supporters are Bob Hinitt, who taught french and art to Mitchell - then Roberta Joan Anderson - at Aden Bowman Collegiate from 1958 to '62. He called her "the girl with the flaxen hair," and was immediately struck by her potential. "Artistically, I could see she was very talented." Hinitt said he's baffled by mixed messages from Saskatoon city council and a few letters to the editor questioning whether Mitchell is worthy of a centre. "It's tantamount to me to say, What have William Shakespeare, Leonardo da Vinci and Mozart done? In 400 years, like Shakespeare, she could be as famous," Hinitt said. The city of Saskatoon has called for expressions of interest in building a destination centre" around Persephone Theatre's new RIver Landing home, with a June 15 closing date. At least two councillors are supportive of the Joni Mitchell Centre, but others have raised concerns about whether the singer is interested in the idea or whether it would hinder the Mendel Art Gallery's plans to develop a cafe featuring Mitchell's artwork. - --Saskatoon StarPhoenix-- - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs I'm afraid I will prove myself most coarse with this: but I'll go ahead and admit I get real jolly when "win your medals, f__k your strangers" comes around... def. one of my very fave Joni moments....what can I say... Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:00:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game - --- mags h wrote: > "Artistically, I could see she was very talented." > Hinitt said he's baffled by mixed messages from > Saskatoon city council and a few letters to the > editor questioning whether Mitchell is worthy of a > centre. > > "It's tantamount to me to say, What have William > Shakespeare, Leonardo da Vinci and Mozart done? In > 400 years, like Shakespeare, she could be as > famous," Hinitt said. > <> This is one of the things that drives me nuts about us Canadians. We are so quick to disparage one of our own, or to know NOTHING about something, but to feel free to put it down or comment negatively just the same. I can just hear those letters to the editor from the holier-than-thou good citizens of Saskatoon (or any other city, town or municipality for that matter). Garrr! On the other hand, Alanis Morrissette has already rec'd a star (or whatever they are) on Canada's Walk of Fame, but Joni only got hers a few years ago, after what we could probably say in all honesty was a true lifetime achievement (not that la Joan is dead and may she live 100 years!) No wonder she pisses and moans about the recording industry! But... there are so many OTHER things equally pissable-and-moanable-about! Off onto the Alanis tangent, (from here on in, it's njc, so kids, if you try this at home, remember to put the njc in your subject line). If you look at this article, there's a Morrisette lyric generator mentioned in item 4 (see below): "4. You can use Alanis to get your own star too! Just use the online Morissette Lyric Generator to create your own songs of angst. All you need is a computer, something that you hate and six plural nouns. Just go to *http://www.brunching.com/alanislyrics.html**" That sounds like it could be fun.** **using the URL as written in the article won't bring you there, so I edited it in the above. http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/M/Morissette_Alanis/2005/06/02/1068093.html Here's the song it came up with for me. (It had asked me for the name of something I hate and I had inserted the name of someone at work who is terminally miserable, so I deleted it, not to protect that person, but to protect myself! Curiously, despite its having asked me to put the name of an ex-boyfriend/lover/whatever and despite my having entered that as "Shithead", the word "Shithead" doesn't once appear in this song, much to its detriment): "Why" Letters, complaints, grammar mistakes Why God, Why? Complaints, spelling errors, [deleted] Why God, Why? What have I done to deserve this blue horror? Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of [deleted] Like a Joni Mitchell character, I'm wordy and alone Why God, Why? Political unawarenesses, letters, marinated vegetables Why God, Why? [deleted], marinated vegetables, grammar mistakes Why God, Why? What have I done to deserve this blue disaster that is my life? Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of [deleted] Like a Joni Mitchell character, I'm wordy and alone Why God, Why? What have I done to deserve this blue misery? Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of [deleted] Like a Joni Mitchell character, I'm wordy and alone Why God, Why? Why God, Why? Why God, Why? Why God, Why? Why God, Why? (Over on the sidebar of this website, is a mug you can that says, "I'm not your damn search engine", which I may get for work, simply because people always ask me how to do stuff, because they think I know everything (they may be right) and they're too damn lazy to check things out for themselves.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: re:Favorite Moments In Joni's Songs Well Great Minds - EM - I love that one too. And I think its cause she totally doesn't try to roll over it - she is very clear about it! There are soo many - but here is one that came to mind for me today ... "She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand ..." ( the build-up to that line and then the drum and the instrumentation that follows just in that little pocket before the next line is breath taking). Movements like that in songs can be soo small - yet I wait the whole song for that tiny piece. Also another one that's a little longer is in "Down to you." "In the morning there are lovers in the street, they look so high, you brush against a stranger and you both apologize. Old friends seem indifferent, you must have brought that on. Old bonds have broken down - Love is gone! Oooh Love is gone written on your spirit this sad song - Love is gone" And then the reeds that follow. - Course this song is nearly perfect anyway and the verse before this one is also a great Joni moment. Just magical and so true to life! I must have at least 10 more - hey maybe top ten would be a good idea haven't had one of those in awhile! Peace, Susan Em wrote: I'm afraid I will prove myself most coarse with this: but I'll go ahead and admit I get real jolly when "win your medals, f__k your strangers" comes around... def. one of my very fave Joni moments....what can I say... Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory - --- Lucy Hone wrote: > Well now!!.. Hi everyone who has been on this > theme.... I used to know > what folk was... [...] > I can understand why people called [Joni} a folk > singer, because she was > NOT ROCK.. Plus she hung about with JT and he was > NOT ROCK (although he > does some mean blues) and that really was the choice > (in England anyway) > at the time Joni was at her most public over here. > You either did FOLK > or ROCK....... ever the opportunist I liked > both.........but I cannot > sing or play ROCK.. I can sing and play FOLK, > however. > > Folk music (with the soggy hems and lost loves and > yearning) is why I > learned to play the guitar ..."The cuckoo is a > pretty bird" was the > first song I actually learned when I look in my > diary. [...] > FOLK IS about work and life and regions and love > etc,..BUT IT IS SO > MUCH MORE for me......and in the terms of my > reference and all of our > personal references what matters to us is what > matters to us......... so > ... beyond all the foregoing ....... [...] We all resonate to different musical > influences as young > kids...... > > What is your first ever musical memory........? > > Mine was being at the piano with my grandmother > whilst she sang Molly > Malone to us. My father was still away at sea so I > would have been > about 3 or 4. > > That was it. > > MUST GO, thanks for the ramble, ignore if you want > to. > > > Love and hugs to all > Lucy > Wow, Lucy, what a great post! I'm still not sure what "folk" is but my feelings about what it might be are closely aligned with yours. Initially, it was old songs made up by a person or persons long forgotten, that got handed down from one generation to the next. And it was about archetypal things experienced by regular working people. So it could be about love, or it could be about the hardships of the working folk and how set upon they are by the higher-ups. And I guess it would have to be something that was fairly easy to sing and/or play, so that everyone could join in, at least on the chorus, and so that it would be remembered easily enough to be passed on to the next generation. So, I guess Joni isn't folk, because many of her songs are much more complex, lyrically and musically, than what the average person might be able to sing or play (with some exceptions and those are the ones that everyone knows, like "Circle Game", for example.) But, yeah, I can see how people would call her a "folk singer", especially if she did start out singing traditional folk music, before she started doing her own material. And then again, some people think anything that's acoustic... is folk. Ani DiFranco calls herself a "folk singer" but it's hard to say if she's being serious or not. I don't have a first musical memory that easily springs to mind. I did used to make up my own songs when I was a little kid, sitting on the stairs of the old house we lived in when my family first moved to Pembroke (Ontario, not Wales.) My older brother and sister were probably already in school and my younger sister, Annie, was just a baby, so she wasn't useful for much. I didn't have much to do and I can't remember my mother paying much attention to me, so I used to amuse myself by making up my own songs, about our house and the street we lived on and so on. Later on, I used to compose musical plays and would force my younger sisters (now old enough to be useful for something, but young enough to be bossed around by me) to take part in them as well. And then we would force my parents to watch and would insist on doing encores, even though they never asked for them. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:20:04 +0100 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Favourite Joni moments Mine is in Blue. "Everybody's sayin' that Hell's the hippest way to go well I don't think so but I'm gonna take a look around it though (it's the next bit that gets me, when she almost sobs the word) Blue (oo-oo-oo)" *shivers* Ric [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Ric.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: this is too weird!!!!!!! today at work I bought a Jonathan Richman song (I Was Dancing in a Lesbian Bar) from iTunes. I have about 5 other songs that I purchaed out of desperate need to hear them at work. So on shuffle mode, after it plays the Jonathan tune - on comes "Turbulent Indigo". An odd and interesting segueway, and nothing to be astonished about since like I said there are only 4 songs on the iTunes library on my work puter. So THEN I come home and I load what turns out to be a diff. version of Dancing in a Lesbian Bar, from a CD of Jonathans I own into my old OS9 verision of iTunes and I'll be DAMNED if the next song that came on wasn't TI!!!!!!!! the TI I'd loaded here at home from my CD. Wassup with that???? Cuz on my home iTunes I have like 600 songs. What were/are the odds???? whew, that blew my ever lovin' mind!!! Em :) ps seeing Jonathan tomorrow nite in concert - if perchance I get to speak to him I gotta tell him about this..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game Catherine McKay wrote: > <> This is one of the things that drives me nuts about us Canadians. We are so quick to disparage one of our own, or to know NOTHING about something, but to feel free to put it down or comment negatively just the same. I can just hear those letters to the editor from the holier-than-thou good citizens of Saskatoon (or any other city, town or municipality for that matter). Garrr! and to paraphrase her royal self... "don't it always seem to go that they won't know what they had til she's gone". narg! Mags, looking forward to seeing a certain jmdler on this fair prairie landscape tomorrow ;-)) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:00:59 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Folking about with music!! NJC Lucy wrote: > Well now!!.. Hi everyone who has been on this > theme.... I used to know what folk was... It seems timely to re-post this one, which surfaced a few years ago. Enjoy.... Hell How to write a folk song All folksongs begin with the phrase: "I asked my love to take a walk" The walk should be: Down by the riverside Past the prison Into the valley Over the sea and far away It should NOT be: To the store for a loaf of bread To Wallmart Along the Champs-Elysee, Park Avenue, or Pennsylvania Avenue On rollerblades The conversation along the way should be about: Your racehorse The perfidious British The revelation that you are her/his long lost brother/husband/blacksmith/Lord The inevitable baby Murder Places to be mentioned include: Botany Bay The mountains of ... A land called Honalee Carrickfergus The valley The fair All of the above in reverse order, Botany Bay always coming last. All folk songs repeat the same words in each verse, but move them around until one person is killed or the ghost appears. If the ghost appears, it repeats the original verses and the process begins all over again. This is known as revenge. The chorus of all folk songs is half of the words of the verse moved around some more, and with the addition of some poignant nonsense syllables, all in a minor key. No new information is provided. References to work in folk songs should include: Hammers (visionary or steam) Railroad trains, preferably on the same track hurtling towards each other Lots of whales Sowing, reaping, harvesting, babies dropped in furrows, etc. Job categories allowed in folk songs include: Circus work Lighthouse keeping Mourning Gypsying (especially kidnapping) Blowing up British buildings. References to work in folk songs should avoid the following job categories: Insurance Work for any government agency except prisons Re-insurance Words that can be sprinkled at random over folk songs: gather, farewell, thee, dead, alas, true love, bonnie, dagger, do Lord, and so on.... The following applies mostly to ballads: True loves are always either: Missing (gone for seven years) Dead (see necrophilia element) In disguise Your brother/sister (either known or unknown) False (off chasing/married to another) If it's a happy ending, it's a very rare folksong. If your true love is dead, you must: Long to kiss his/her dead lips or other portions of the anatomy (the tradition of necrophilia) Never love again Have done her in yourself after spending all night diggin' of her grave Have done him in yourself because he done you wrong If you are a sailor, and you meet a fair young lady, you will: Wind up with no money and no clothes, wearing a dress (the transvestite element) Get laid after pulling her string Acquire a painful and unpleasant social disease Get shot after she dresses in men's clothing and finds you've been false (see transvestite element) If you are a young lady, and you meet a sailor, you will: Turn him down because he's dirty Turn him down because you don't recognise him Change your mind when you find out he's got money Change your mind after experiencing his sexual prowess Dress up in man's clothing (the transvestite element, yet again) And LOTS of metaphors!! Referring to various actions, body parts, etc., should be as circumspect as possible. Birds, flowers, alcoholic beverages, (blood, red wine, etc)... may be freely substituted for lips, breasts etc. And for male parts...anything is OK as long as it is longer than it is wide. Women who are NOT active heroines in the song may be given away as prizes to men who achieve some goal...such as killing villains, saving ships, etc. You are a bona fide folk singer if: You have nine different guitar capos, including a semi-automatic flipoff Your first name is one syllable long, or at most is two syllables that end in a vowel or a Y, e.g. Doc, Pete, Woody, Joan, Judy You learned the song on a porch, preferably one with a sofa with the insides sprung out You refuse to make an anatomical pun about "The Londonderry Air" You have "This X fights Y" inscribed somewhere on your instrument, eg."this E string fights sexism" You have a dog named after a colour You are not a bona fide folk singer if: You play the Hammond Organ Your first name is Brittany (unless you are a boy) Your last name is Rockefeller or Windsor You learned the song from your chauffeur or housekeeper, unless her name is Elizabeth Cotton You have a sticker on your guitar that reads: "Baby On Board" You have a cat (whether it comes back or not) or goldfish (see entry under whales) You can have a horse as long as you race it in England or France ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:34:03 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game NJC It's no secret! That's me heading for the Canadian prairie. I heard it was about 15 C there (59 F). So I guess I'd better pack warm things. It's 90 F here (32.2 C) I'll be putting the new Paprika Plains into my teenage listening device. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mags h Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:07 PM To: Catherine McKay; joni@smoe.org Cc: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Saskatoon residents push for J oni MItchell Centre Winnipeg Free Press article and a new game Catherine McKay wrote: > <> This is one of the things that drives me nuts about us Canadians. We are so quick to disparage one of our own, or to know NOTHING about something, but to feel free to put it down or comment negatively just the same. I can just hear those letters to the editor from the holier-than-thou good citizens of Saskatoon (or any other city, town or municipality for that matter). Garrr! and to paraphrase her royal self... "don't it always seem to go that they won't know what they had til she's gone". narg! Mags, looking forward to seeing a certain jmdler on this fair prairie landscape tomorrow ;-)) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni covers, Joni project and Grace Kakki wrote: Hey Kakki, thanks for your report on the Joni project; it sounds very interesting. Hopefully they'll step up and release a recording sometime! As for Judy's SATM cover, it came out a month or so ago and thanks to Jerry it is present & accounted for. She does a fabulous version of it - I guess I shouldn't complain, and I'm not really, but given that she recorded Chelsea Morning, BSN and Michael From Mountains back when those songs were fresh, it would have been SO awesome had she chosen a track from the latter part of Joni's career to parallel. Given the fact that her voice still sounds so good, I'd love to hear to take on Borderline, Sunny Sunday, Slouching Towards Bethlehem or any number of songs from TTT. But no sour grapes from me...I'll take whatever I can get. It's just that when an interpreter of song or her magnitude just does the early stuff it's almost validation that that's all there is to Joni. Speaking of Grace, I watched VH1's "The 50 most awesomely bad songs ever" and the Starship's "We Built This City" finished at the top of the heap (or the bottom depending on how you looked at it). The big criticism that the critics had was that given the level of talent involved, they should have know better. Bob NP: Live, "Selling The Drama" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Folking about with music!!NJC...probably..and a bit of a ramble. Ending with what is your first musical memory Nobody "rambles" like you, Lucy - you just have a gift, what can I say? Anyway, my first musical memory is when I was 4, playing 45's with my friend Stevie Fogel - the one I specifically recall is a Casper The Friendly Ghost record that was yellow. Also around the same time (when I lived on Kwajalein) I remember being chased around our duplex by a neighbor girl named Ginger who would sing "I Wanna Be Bobby's Girl" while chasing. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "Dark Hole Again" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:46:53 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: [none] Hey Garrett <> I highly recommend it! She still has the pipes, and the arrangements are interesting. I also recommend Queen Latifah's "Dana Owens Album" (the latter being her real (birth) name), if you don't already have it. Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: the folk thing NJC I'm just wondering what it would be like if people were spoofing/making fun of jazz, instead of folk music on here. Making over-broad generalizations and using social stereotypes. First of all, it would never happen on this list. But 2nd of all, the perps would be cut brand new assh_les right away. Because when it boils down to it, this is a jazz list - these threads and their offshoots have made it quite openly apparent. Which is fine, I have nothing but the highest respect for real jazz. In fact, I think some of it now qualifies as folk music. Same with blues. Fusion ain't never EVER gonna be folk music. I'm sure that won't chap anyone's butt, because fusion people would never aspire to folk music status. Public domain?? whats that? Plus they might have to wear 100% cotton or hemp, instead of their FINE polyester duds. To me folk music is mother's milk. Its the source - its from whence it all came. It is the primordial ooze. The other stuff is all, one way or another, an offshoot. And I'm sure someone could intellectualize me into the ground over this. But I just had to put in my .02. I tried not to! I swear! I tried. Em < To: jonilist Sent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: this is too weird!!!!!!! today at work I bought a Jonathan Richman song (I Was Dancing in a Lesbian Bar) from iTunes. I have about 5 other songs that I purchaed out of desperate need to hear them at work. So on shuffle mode, after it plays the Jonathan tune - on comes "Turbulent Indigo". An odd and interesting segueway, and nothing to be astonished about since like I said there are only 4 songs on the iTunes library on my work puter. So THEN I come home and I load what turns out to be a diff. version of Dancing in a Lesbian Bar, from a CD of Jonathans I own into my old OS9 verision of iTunes and I'll be DAMNED if the next song that came on wasn't TI!!!!!!!! the TI I'd loaded here at home from my CD. Wassup with that???? Cuz on my home iTunes I have like 600 songs. What were/are the odds???? whew, that blew my ever lovin' mind!!! Em :) ps seeing Jonathan tomorrow nite in concert - if perchance I get to speak to him I gotta tell him about this..... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #230 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)