From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, June 5 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 228 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) ["ron" ] Re: Faux Folk Songs [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... ["mike pritchard" ] re: Tori Amos last night njc [Garret ] re: Tori Amos last night njc now doing two things at once and JONIFEST FRANCE [Garret ] Re:NJC Faux Folk Songs [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni's writing parenting books? [Kerry ] To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC - Folk Songs ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's writing parenting books? [Randy Remote ] Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) ["Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) hi susan >>>>>>> an e-newsletter from Village Records (www.villagerecords.com)... >>>>>>>RICKIE LEE JONES DUCHESSS OF COOLSVILLE: AN ANTHOLOGY thanks - i was so excited about the michelle shocked & the janis that i missed that one i buy nearly all my music from village records now. they seem to stock pretty much everything i listen to, at around half the price i pay locally, & they ship quickly. their reviews are usually pretty much spot on as well. ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:54:56 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Faux Folk Songs Yes, we all have 'em; Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda. You'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. and his ghost may be heard as you camp by that billabong... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:10:06 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... >>With all the computerization at Virgin records, they can tell you *whether* a given CD or DVD is in the store but not where *in* the store!!! << I've said this before and I'll say it again. Virgin in Barcelona (qepd) used to have Joni stuff on different floors (jazz rock in the basement, folk upstairs) but at least (being British) they followed a logical alphabetical order. In most record shops in this country the artists are filed by first name, not last name. So you get Jimi, Joni, Jeff, Janis, Johnny, and Joe all in the same section (J), rather than having to go to the 'H', 'M', 'B', 'J', 'C' and 'J' sections individually. There is the obvious downside too. Dylan and Donovan are no longer on speaking terms, Pat Metheny is jammin' with Pat Boone and Pat Benatar, Rufus Wainwright is with Rufus Thomas, not any of the other Wainwrights, etcetera. But I'm used to this now and know where to go, and accept it as the price I pay for living here. What I will never, ever get used to is the fact that publishers here sometimes print the information on the spines of books from top to bottom, and sometime the other way around, meaning that you have to incline your head alternatively to your left and right shoulder around 500 times an hour. In british bookshops you put your head to your right shoulder and scan along the shelves. Have the Spanish never thought of the advantage of this? mike in barcelona, gripe over, thank you for listening np Coltrane - Blue Train ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:47:54 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: Tori Amos last night njc That is an innate ability among many Irish people;-) Quoting mike pritchard : > >> > > Don't worry Garret, if you're able to sit down and drink at the same time > we'll get along just fine in FranceFest, and maybe Barcelona too ;-) > > mike (in bars, a loner) > np Albert Bover - Duo > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:49:52 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: Tori Amos last night njc now doing two things at once and JONIFEST FRANCE Quoting Catherine McKay : > I don't think people *should* walk and eat at the same > time. The odds of choking are too great. Garret, > you're not nearly as much of a freak as you think you > are! You must try harder! > So my failings are brought about by evolutinary pressure!! It's not my fault. I like it. This could also explain why i can't dance (if i think hard enough about it:-) GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:57:08 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: janis - yet another new release njc Thanks for posting this Ron, it sounds great. I will have to splash out on that one. When i moved to London a couple of years back i listened to a lot of Janis. She was such an original. And now i connect her with with an exciting time in my life. She always gets a smile out of me. GARRET NP- Cocteau Twnis, Lorelei - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:05:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re:NJC Faux Folk Songs In a message dated 6/4/2005 4:03:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark-leon@iinet.net.au writes: > Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda. > You'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. > and his ghost may be heard as you camp by that billabong... > I LOVE that song Mark! In grade school, we were taught that song. It wasn't until I was older til I found out it was an Aussie song. It never dawned on any of us kids to ask what the hell a billabong or a swagman meant. That's the same teacher that taught us: "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree Merry, merry king of the bush is he Laugh, Kookaburra! Laugh, Kookaburra! Gay your life must be" I at least knew I was gay though :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Joni's writing parenting books? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595344283/qid=1117899865/sr=1-37/ref=sr_1_37/102-8985484-4459348?v=glance&s=books The word "turbulent" is even used in the title! Kerry - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:42:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc I'll err on the side of caution & add the njc tag now... this relates to joni but does not directly mention her so... for years I resisted the folk music label thinking it was something of another era where I did not quite belong or want to be... I have, over the years, changed my mind completely about the word folk music... I've wandered into the big wide wonderful world of folk music that is as progressive, varied & unpredictable as can be... I initially resisted attending the folk alliance events thinking that somehow it was about traditional folk music (not that there is anything wrong with that but that wouldn't have been enough for me personally) ... I couldn't have been more wrong about that perception... I also know how fruitless it is to try & define folk music because everyone has their own definition similar to what is art? Anyway I think folk music is a very respectable & wide open genre that is as current & forward looking as it is traditional... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:47:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC - Folk Songs Jimmy >You take a stick of bamboo You take a stick of bamboo You take a stick of bamboo You throw it on the water< Love that song jimmy! It is so zen in both lyrics & music ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:56:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... >I think Joni would really be happy to see that the jazz world has embraced her compositions moreso than any other genre. Bob< Jeff's son spent a year at the highly acclaimed 'musician's institute' which focuses heavily on jazz music... the teachers are all working musicians & some of the most sought after players in the biz... they spent a respectable amount of time mentioning joni & her music (especially the shadows & light era) & held her up with the best of the best ... musicians know ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:03:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) >Imagine that!!! Even though I have RLJ's complete catalog (except all the live stuff available on her website) I'll buy this for the rarities disc.< Me too bob (except her recent one & ghosty head I think)... I will definitely be getting this one... & now for a confession... remember when I mentioned a major musical hero of mine showing up at my house as a potential buyer? She didn't end up buying it but now I can say that it was the girl at her volcano who came to visit one afternoon in spring... we talked a lot about horses! She is really a sweetheart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) If you're referring to "Evening Of My Best Day" you shouldn't hesitate to get that one too Kate - it's RLJ at her best. I loved it when it first came out and haven't tired of any of it yet. I held off for a long time getting Ghostyhead because the reviews were so bad, but after I got over the radically different change in the feel of it compared to her other work I really enjoy it. <... we talked a lot about horses! She is really a sweetheart> OK, now that our appetites are whetted you have to dish the FULL story. This was just a teaser! Bob NP: Let's Active, "Blue Line" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:14:46 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's writing parenting books? It is a different Joni Mitchell-but you gotta wonder if she's 'milkin' it' by putting that word in the title. Kerry wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595344283/qid=1117899865/sr=1-37/ref=sr_1_37/102-8985484-4459348?v=glance&s=books > > The word "turbulent" is even used in the title! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:25:16 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... njc From: "Kate Bennett" I also know how fruitless it is to try & define folk music > because everyone has their own definition similar to what is art? Anyway > I > think folk music is a very respectable & wide open genre that is as > current > & forward looking as it is traditional... > Has anyone heard of a group called The Decemberists? A friend of mine gave me a copy of one of their cds. Apparently they are a Pacific Northwest band. The lyrics of the songs are very much in the genre of traditional folk music and the music itself has a lot of energy and muscle to it. The lead singer reminds me a bit of Michael Stipe. From listening to 'Picaresque', I think I will probably end up buying more of their cds. Amazon has several listed. I am really impressed with them. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:28:26 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC - Coolsville (Rickie Lee Jones) From: "Kate Bennett" > & now for a confession... remember when I mentioned a major musical hero > of > mine showing up at my house as a potential buyer? She didn't end up buying > it but now I can say that it was the girl at her volcano who came to visit > one afternoon in spring... we talked a lot about horses! She is really a > sweetheart > AAAUUUUGHHH!!!! Kate! What a cool experience! I probably would have been a blithering idiot! Doesn't surprise that she is a sweetheart. And I will definitely be on the look out for this compilation. Mark E.('s in love with Rickie Lee) in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni's writing parenting books? -- njc - --- Randy wrote: > It is a different Joni Mitchell-but you gotta wonder > if she's 'milkin' it' by putting that word in the title. > > Kerry wrote: > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595344283/qid=1117899865/sr=1-37/ref=sr_1_37/102-8985484-4459348?v=glance&s=books > > This is cut and pasted from the link Kerry (Hi, Kerry!) provided: << About the Author Joni Mitchell is a professional freelance writer who has developed unique skills, ideas, and strategies for raising children. As an experienced mother she has developed a strong skill base from which she has been able to help parents struggling with the challenges of raising children, stepchildren, or grandchildren. Joni Mitchell is a professional freelance writer who has developed unique skills, ideas, and strategies for raising children. As an experienced mother she has developed a strong skill base from which she has been able to help parents struggling with the challenges of raising children, stepchildren, or grandchildren. >> Now back to me: A bio so nice, they ran it twice? ran it twice? And what's with the "professional freelance writer" business? Do they mean as opposed to all those amateur freelance writers who do it for free? Also, aside from being "an experienced mother" -- which is no small potatoes, of course -- this Joni Mitchell appears to have a curious lack of credentials, academic or otherwise. It does make me wonder, however, what that professional freelance writer Bob Dylan has to say about the subject of parenting in these turbulent times. Perhaps he also has some unique skills, ideas, and strategies for raising children." Probably not nearly as unique as professional freelance writer Bruce Springsteen's unique skills, though. - --Smurf, happy to have become a stay-at-home-on-a-Saturday-night curmudgeon "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:04:49 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... Mike in Barcelona said: <> Good heavens, Mike, that's extremely weird all around!!! I wonder how it is in other non-English-speaking countries -- i always assumed that all countries in the world followed the book-spine tradition (set by whom? when?) that you described above... interesting. Best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me From: "mike pritchard" To: "list" Cc: "Walt Breen" Subject: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:10:42 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from Multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain >>With all the computerization at Virgin records, they can tell you *whether* a given CD or DVD is in the store but not where *in* the store!!! << I've said this before and I'll say it again. Virgin in Barcelona (qepd) used to have Joni stuff on different floors (jazz rock in the basement, folk upstairs) but at least (being British) they followed a logical alphabetical order. In most record shops in this country the artists are filed by first name, not last name. So you get Jimi, Joni, Jeff, Janis, Johnny, and Joe all in the same section (J), rather than having to go to the 'H', 'M', 'B', 'J', 'C' and 'J' sections individually. There is the obvious downside too. Dylan and Donovan are no longer on speaking terms, Pat Metheny is jammin' with Pat Boone and Pat Benatar, Rufus Wainwright is with Rufus Thomas, not any of the other Wainwrights, etcetera. But I'm used to this now and know where to go, and accept it as the price I pay for living here. What I will never, ever get used to is the fact that publishers here sometimes print the information on the spines of books from top to bottom, and sometime the other way around, meaning that you have to incline your head alternatively to your left and right shoulder around 500 times an hour. In british bookshops you put your head to your right shoulder and scan along the shelves. Have the Spanish never thought of the advantage of this? mike in barcelona, gripe over, thank you for listening np Coltrane - Blue Train ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:08:13 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: FW: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... Catherine said: <> That's the way it should be, Catherine, and there seems to be a general movement in that direction "Rock" seems to be the burgeoning omnibus category, even at Virgin, but hiphop is still kept separate, as is Jazz and a few minor categories. I can see continuing keeping classical as a separate category as generally speaking one looks under composer there as opposed to conductor or soloist, but otherweise I think they should combine all the catagories. Of course, people like us who buy music by the disc in music stores are dinosaurs -- I do it less and less as time goes by myself -- and it's not clear how much longer disc-type music/entertainment stores will continue to be popular enough to continue justifying superstores the size of Virgin, Tower, et al. I think places like Streetlight, a local chain that deals primarily in used CDs, LPs, 45s, DVDs and a really wonderful store called Medium Rare, which caters to a niche clientele -- in this case, people with a camp sense of humor -- are a good idea and will hopefully continue to exist for some time to come. Best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me - ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: littlebreen@comcast.net To: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: To Folk Or Not To Folk... Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 02:59:09 +0000 Catherine said: <<I've been in one record store (can't remember which one though!) where pretty much EVERYTHING is all in together, so you don't have to worry about whether it might be under folk, country, jazz, funk, R&B, pop, electronica, industrial, "world", hip hop, rap, etc etc. They may have classical on its own, but that's about it. It does make looking a lot easier. All you gots to do is find the letter the person's name starts with. That Various Artists sure is prolific though!>> That's the way it should be, Catherine, and there seems to be a general movement in that direction "Rock" seems to be the burgeoning omnibus category, even at Virgin, but hiphop is still kept separate, as is Jazz and a few minor categories. I can see continuing keeping classical as a separate category as generally speaking one looks under composer there as opposed to conductor or soloist, but otherweise i think they should combine all the catagories. Of course, people like us are dinosaurs, and it's not clear how much longer disc-type music/entertainment stores will continue to be popular enough to continue in superstores the size of Virgin, Tower, et al. (I think places like Streetlight, a local chain that deals primarily in used CDs, LPs, 45s, DVDs and a really wonderful store called Medium Rare, which caters to a niche clientele - -- in this case, people with a camp sense of humor, are a good idea and will hopefully continue to exist for some time to come. Best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > > --- littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > > More generally, it bugs me that in this day and age > > performers are still pegged by whatever "category" > > they started out in. Try figuring out where Joni > > belongs, or Queen Latifah, or Dionne Warwick -- > > Dionne I've found under R&B, Pop Vocalist, Easy > > Listening, Rock... With all the computerization at > > Virgin records, they can tell you *whether* a given > > CD or DVD is in the store but not where *in* the > > store!!! Sometimes the staff can make up for these > > peculiarities, but if you find yourself with a > > college kid who says essentially "Joni Who?" or > > "Dionne Who?", you're essentially on your own. > > > > I've been in one record store (can't remember which > one though!) where pretty much EVERYTHING is all in > together, so you don't have to worry about whether it > might be under folk, country, jazz, funk, R&B, pop, > electronica, industrial, "world", hip hop, rap, etc > etc. They may have classical on its own, but that's > about it. It does make looking a lot easier. All you > gots to do is find the letter the person's name starts > with. That Various Artists sure is prolific though! > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #228 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)