From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #226 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 226 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? ["Kate Bennett" ] Driving on the left....NJC [Lucy Hone ] Re: njc [Deb Messling ] RE: the French ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Tori Amos last night njc [Randy Remote ] NJC - Sisterhood... ["Donna Binkley" ] Joni in the dictionary [Catherine McKay ] Re: the french, njc ["ron" ] michelle shocked releases njc ["ron" ] Re: Tori Amos last night njc [Garret ] Re: Joni in the dictionary [Bob Muller ] Re: New album to choose? [Parts of Yes ] Paint a Starry Night Again, Man (njc) [Brian Gross ] Joni's "jazz" albums ["Michael Flaherty" ] Summer reading: An impossibly gentle hand... [littlebreen@comcast.net] Today in Bizarro Joni History -- njc [Smurf ] Re: New album to choose? NJC [Joseph Palis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:23:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? Oy break my heart everytime I hear about this show! .. to think of how I missed this one that came & was recorded/filmed in my town... my excuse was having just birthed my baby boy but oh I wished I had gone anyway... postpartum or not! Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi there and welcome! > > I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light > because she has the > best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the > late Jaco Pastorius; on > keyboards, Lyle Mays, on drums and congas, Don > Alias; on saxophone, Michael > Brecker and last but not least, on guitar, Pat > Metheny! If you love any of > these musicians and artists then you should check > this CD out! That's my two > cents anyway! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:37:27 -0700 From: "Roger Guillard" Subject: njc I agree with Anne...I was there in 1998. All were great...i think it helped that i croaked frog, Roger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:01:17 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Driving on the left....NJC Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:18:26 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Congratulations David and Judy NJC <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>> And what the hay is that business of driving on the left all about??? Not to mention roundabouts! Mark E. in Seattle - ------------------------------ OK.. the driving on the left..... APPARENTLY it comes from medieval times. Knights would wear their sword on the left and so the right hand could whip out the sword and challenge any other opposing knight coming towards them. that way right side to right side = keep to the left when travelling on narrow paths and roads... Tough if you met a lefty.... JOUSTING, however is different (where the Europeans excelled more so than the Brits....probably watch any old hollywood film about it ) In Jousting the lance is carried under the right arm but points over the horses left shoulder. You gallop up the right hand side of the jousting rail and tilt your opponent off by aiming at his heart, and/or left shoulder....or under his left arm...he is doing the same thing to you. So maybe the medieval thing passed the US by, and the driving on the left didnt translate. I always seem to remember that in old films of the western type, that the driver sat on the right hand side of the buggy, or in the middle... perhaps its all that I am crap at sorting out my left and right... its also possible that further down the digest someone else will have given an explanation that contradicts mine.... What is the thing about vests and pants.. a vest and pants are what your mother tells you to put on under your shirt and jumper because you will "catch your death of cold" A jumper is a woolen "sweater" or "pullover".... if you didnt know, a jumper does not have buttons up the front, that is a cardigan. Roundabouts are the most sensible way to handle traffic intersections without the need for electricity or lights. It is very simple..traffic on the roundabout has priority and you have to always give way to your right as you enter the roundabout.... They work brilliantly... The French have yet to get the hang of them totally as they usually camber the road wrongly for the exit roads..interesting in the wet!!!! They also stick them in the middle of roads where there is no other road leading on or off... A sort of surprise traffic calming. Fine if you leave enough room for lorries to get past, unsettling if they dont....... and you find a lorry driving OVER the roundabout towards you... Got to go, Queen Lulu in need of coffee....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:47:40 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: njc I was in Paris last fall, and I found the reception consistently polite, and usually friendly. Very different from New Yorkers, who can be warm and friendly, or loudmouth slobs, or snooty and dismissive - there's no consistency there. No Parisian waiters approached us with perky smiles saying "Hi, I'm Pierre, and I'll be your server tonight." On the other hand, none of them came up to us toward the end of the meal and asked, "Are you still workin' on that?" I speak a little French, and I do agree that it helps. We have a friend who travels frequently, and she once said, "I don't need to speak French. I'll be spending a lot of money there, and they should be grateful for that." She came back from her trip and reported that the French were rude. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:13:45 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RE: the French Ooh, I'm sorry to hear you haven't always been welcome as I was in Paris, Les. And Laurent, I'm sure what you say is true (after all, nothing's perfect). But I do have to say that my experience was just wonderful! I went with very high expectations, and found that they were met, and then some. Les wrote: Communication in Paris has been the biggest problem and I have (or at least had) reasonable secondary school french at my disposal. I make the effort and try to get it right. Outside Paris, my efforts are welcome. inside Paris?....oy, not good. Well, ok, so I majored in French in college. Still, I found it frustating that in Montreal, Quebec, and Brussels my efforts to speak French always resulted in the other person replying in English (which I always found rather insulting). In Paris, however, everyone replied in French. And when they discovered that I was from the U.S., a number of people complimented me on my French. Not one person resorted to English. So, on my trip, every glass of wine was superb, every meal was delicious, and everyone was very friendly. Lucky me... Anyway, I suspect that anyone going to JoniFest in France this summer will not be disappointed. (Especially since you're organizing it, Laurent!) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:36:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? I actually can't imagine it! I probably would forget all the words watching them and listening to them play!!! (Ha! Ha!) There is a fellow here in the DC area I am hearing about who seems to be an incarnation of Jaco but with his own twist. I have heard a recording of him and was blown away. In fact, I am going to email his bandmate and see how things are going with the group! Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay >To: Sherelle Smith , boseanger@yahoo.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:09:17 -0400 (EDT) > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Hi there and welcome! > > > > I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light > > because she has the > > best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the > > late Jaco Pastorius; on > > keyboards, Lyle Mays, on drums and congas, Don > > Alias; on saxophone, Michael > > Brecker and last but not least, on guitar, Pat > > Metheny! If you love any of > > these musicians and artists then you should check > > this CD out! That's my two > > cents anyway! > > > > Sherelle > > > >That really is a dream band, isn't it! I mean, I knew >this stuff, but reading your post reminded me with a >great big, WOW! Can you imagine singing with THOSE >GUYS? > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:39:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? Mike, I have to agree with you that those are two of my favs as well...especially "Hissing". Our slang for that CD Jo is "HOSL". "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and "Edith and the Kingpin" are two of many that I love on that CD. I don't think there is a song up there that I don't like! Sherelle >From: Mike Friedman >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: boseanger@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:14:13 -0700 > >Hey Jo: > >I have to put in $.02 for my faves.... > >Hejira (hands down my favorite Mitchell album) and Hissing of Summer >Lawnssssssssssssssssss... > >my old friend Terry calls 'Hissing,' "the best pop album ever made by >anyone." > > > >On Jun 1, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > >>Hi there and welcome! >> >>I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light because she has the >>best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the late Jaco Pastorius; on >>keyboards, Lyle Mays, on drums and congas, Don Alias; on saxophone, >>Michael Brecker and last but not least, on guitar, Pat Metheny! If you >>love any of these musicians and artists then you should check this CD >>out! That's my two cents anyway! >> >>Sherelle >> >>Jo Lar wrote: >> >>Hi everyone. I'ma new member at JMDL. I just got into Joni and I have 2 >>of her >>albums {C&S, FTR) and I love both of them, especially the former. I'm >>just glad >>to be apart of a place where I can talk about her. I, also, wanna know >>what next >>album should I get from her. :) >>Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! >> > > >============= >"There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I >was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important >things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or >they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who >pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his >own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each >one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The >result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to >know anything, and the people don't." >--Gore Vidal > >Mike Friedman >mike@pinataperspective.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:16:31 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:23:42 -0700 Sherelle Smith wrote: Hi there and welcome! > I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light because she has the best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the late Jaco Pastorius; I second the recommendations of starting with H, HoSL and S+L, and will add that if you love those albums go for Mingus which contains some beautiful singing from Joni and some of Jaco's most amazing bass work (but probably is not the best choice for your third purchase). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc les francais - --- Deb Messling wrote: > I was in Paris last fall, and I found the reception > consistently polite, > and usually friendly. Very different from New > Yorkers, who can be warm and > friendly, or loudmouth slobs, or snooty and > dismissive - there's no > consistency there. No Parisian waiters approached > us with perky smiles > saying "Hi, I'm Pierre, and I'll be your server > tonight." On the other > hand, none of them came up to us toward the end of > the meal and asked, "Are > you still workin' on that?" > > I speak a little French, and I do agree that it > helps. We have a friend > who travels frequently, and she once said, "I don't > need to speak > French. I'll be spending a lot of money there, and > they should be grateful > for that." She came back from her trip and reported > that the French were rude. > Attitude is everything, n'est-ce pas? You get what you give. My family is originally from Montreal, although we moved away when I was a baby. I do recall the attitude of many of my aunts, especially on my mother's side. In Montreal in those days, if you were English-speaking, you didn't bother to learn French. There was always this animosity between the English and the French. When we visited relatives in Montreal, they would be afraid to let us go outside to play, in case the "Pepsis" decided to beat us up. Yeesh! The attitude of the English-speaking people was so snooty and so racist, it was appalling, and it's no wonder the Quebecois want to separate from the rest of Canada. I'm not sure how much of that particular snooty, racist BS goes on now, as I haven't been to Montreal for a while. But, if you treat other people with respect and dignity and are friendly and polite to them, then they will most likely do the same for you. My Dad bothered to speak French and he used to work summers doing railway maintenance, where most of the other workers were French-speaking. My mother's side of the family? Yeesh! Maybe there's something about being Irish-Catholic-in-Montreal that made them think they were somehow above all that. Some of my aunts could be really stupid and snooty about anyone who wasn't like them. It was very embarassing. I majored in French in university and spent my third year of studies at Universite Laval in Quebec City, a beautiful city to visit if you ever get the chance. (In fact, my son's class is there now on a visit - a 10-hour drive from Toronto! Wow - it's quiet around the house and food lasts so much longer!) I find the Quebecois (French-speaking ones) to be delightful, warm and friendly people, for the most part but like any other bunch of people, there are bound to be some a**holes in the midst. However, it takes two! If someone couldn't be arsed to at least try to speak the language, no matter where they go, then they are missing out on a wonderful opportunity (not to mention the hole in their soul that tells them they have more rights than anyone else because they have money) and they shouldn't bother stepping outside the US of A (or wherever they come from, since USAians don't have the monopoly on that particular form of chauvism, a French word). Imagine someone coming to your country and insisting on speaking their language and treating other people as inferior... because they're spending money! Piss off, I say! Of course you enjoyed Paris, because you treated people with respect and dignity, and I can't imagine you being other way. I would love to visit NYC and experience the attitude. These days, I find that stuff really amusing, so I think I'd enjoy it! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:59:27 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Tori Amos last night njc Hi Garret- Always nice to hear a concert review. Though I'm only a casual Tori fan, I expect that even a so-so show by her is still pretty amazing. You didn't say whether she was with a band or solo? I guess there is always a bit of disappointment when there is a certain song you want to hear that doesn't get played. Anyway, thanks for the report! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:49:17 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: NJC - Sisterhood... of the Traveling Pants. Looks like a good book and movie, but am I the only one in the universe that thinks this is a direct rip off of Ray Bradbury's "The Wonderful Icecream Suit"? I read a synopsis about "pants" yesterday, 4 girls share one pair of pants that fits each of them perfectly despite their different figures, while wearing said pants each girl has her dreams fulfilled. in Bradbury's "suit" 4 guys go in on the cost of a beautiful white suit cuz none can afford it alone. Suit fits each, dreams come true, same story but with girls and pants instead of guys and a suit. Has anyone else read either of these stories? I'm sure traveling pants is a good chick flick, it just irritates me when someone makes up a story and claims it as an original idea. Thoughts anyone? db ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni in the dictionary While looking up a word at work in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, I happened to notice that it includes not only the usual dictionary-type words, but also names of well-known people. Since I'm in a state of semi-boredom, combined with job burnout and extreme cynicism, I was looking for things other than my normal what-they-pays-me-to-do work, so I decided to check the name "Mitchell". Here's what I found: Mitchell 1. (born Roberta Joan Anderson) (b. 1943) Canadian singer and songwriter. Her many albums, often highly personal in their lyrics, reflect her move from a folk style to a fusion of folk, jazz and rock; her hit songs include such titles as "The Circle Game" and "Both Sides Now". - -- The Canadian Oxford Dictionary; Katherine Barber, Editor-in-Chief; Oxford University Press Canada, 1998. (Ironically, this book was printed in the USA) I do like the mention of "fusion of folk, jazz and rock." Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:44:25 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: the french, njc hi >>>les wrote >>>> ....I've been to Paris many, many times............... the experience >>>> can be vigorously variable ive been going to paris once or twice a year for a while now - unfortunately without much time to see the place as its normally work. i think its great provided its not too long - the french accent gets to me after a while & starts echoing inside my head.....like those squeaky tree frogs that start to sound like theyre inside your ears after a while...:-) >>>>>..........(London...don't get me started on THIS place.) i'll be doing a back to back comparison of paris & london later this month. im doing a course in paris & london, (24 to 29 june) with a weekend off to see a bit of london. anything of note happening at that time???? ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:34:53 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: michelle shocked releases njc hi for anyone who may be interested michelle has released not, not two, but three!!! albums: got no strings - disney songs (???) dont ask dont tell - a rock album mexican standoff - americana/texas (judging from the samples this seems like the pick of the bunch) they are available from her website http://www.michelleshocked.com/store.htm at $15.00 each - or $33.00 for the box set of all three ron np - michelle shocked - lonely planet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:46:24 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Tori Amos last night njc Hey there, Tori played solo. I wasn't sure before i went if there would be a band and was quite pleased to see that there wasn't. But listening to some of her albums today, i would say that a band would also be great. The "fuller" sound was really effective on Scarlett's Walk and From the Choirgirl Hotel. You are right. Even though it was a so-so gig. I did enjoy it, and would certainly like to see Tori in concert again. I am completely sure that other nights on this tour she has pout on an astounding show. GARRET NP- Amy Correia, Dollar Lake Quoting Randy Remote : > Hi Garret- > Always nice to hear a concert review. Though I'm only a casual Tori > fan, I expect that even a so-so show by her is still pretty amazing. > You didn't say whether she was with a band or solo? I guess there is > always a bit of disappointment when there is a certain song you want > to hear that doesn't get played. Anyway, thanks for the report! > RR > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni in the dictionary Yeah, I think if you've got to present Joni in a nutshell that's not a bad take on it. I particularly like that the writer said that she started in a "folk style" as opposed to saying she was a folk singer or played 'folk music'. I could be wrong but when I think of folk music I think of singers playing singalongs like "Michael Row The Boat Ashore" and whatnot. I'm not an authority on the subject so I'm not sure if this is an accurate assessment, just my opinion. While some of Joni's songs are singalongs NOW, they weren't at the time when she presented them as original material. Bob NP: Jane's Addiction, "Everybody's Friend" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Parts of Yes Subject: Re: New album to choose? Hi, Glad to hear there are still new fans of Joni "being born". I'm a fan of chronology so I would say actually go back to Joni's first album - Song from a Seagull, then "Clouds,", "Ladies of the Canyon," "Blue," then jump to "Miles of Aisles," (a wonderful live album!) since you have the two in between, then "Hissing of Summer Lawsn," and then "Hejira." I do not have the two "jazz" albums Joni did in the 1970's so I can't comment on them too much. After you get through the 1970's part of Joni's career, at that point I would still listen chronologically but I think the order matters less at that point, not that Joni stopped evolving, it's just that there was more of a mixture of styles on each album in the 80s and 90s. What do other people think? I mean, some songs on "Turbulent Indigo" I could have seen being on "Dog Eat Dog" or even "Chalk Mark..." perhaps not "Night Ride Home." Sean "Where some have found their paradise Others just come to harm" - Joni Mitchell, "Amelia" (1976) "It took an hour, maybe a day But once I really listened, the noise Just went away" - Liz Phair, "Stratford-On-Guy" (1993) "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" "Take this Mute mouth Broken tongue. Now this Dark life Is shot through with light" - Suzanne Vega "Pilgrimage" (1990) "All I know of you is in my memory All I ask is you Remember me." - Suzanne Vega "Rosemary" (1998) "Honey help me out of this mess I'm a stranger to myself But don't reach for me, I'm too far away I don't wanna talk 'cuz there's nothing left to say" - - Fiona Apple "The Child is Gone" __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Paint a Starry Night Again, Man (njc) (With apologies to Uncle John, who *has* taught us all the proper pronunciation of the artist's last name) The Van Gogh Family Tree: His dizzy aunt --------------------------------- Verti Gogh The brother who ate prunes --------------------- Gotta Gogh The brother who worked at a convenience store -- Stop n Gogh The grandfather from Yugoslavia ---------------- U Gogh The brother who bleached his clothes white ----- Hue Gogh The cousin from Illinois ----------------------- Chica Gogh His magician uncle ----------------------------- Where-diddy Gogh His Mexican cousin ----------------------------- A-mi Gogh The Mexican cousin's American half-brother ----- Gring Gogh The nephew who drove a stage coach ------------- Wells-far Gogh The constipated uncle -------------------------- Cant Gogh The ballroom-dancing aunt ---------------------- Tang Gogh The bird lover uncle --------------------------- Flamin Gogh Hard to believe it's 5 years tonight since the closing performance of the last Joni tour, Both Sides Now, at the E-center in Camden. Time sure does fly! Best to you all Brian, still in south jersey, ready to reprise my 'Steve Austin' act in another month Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:51:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: New album to choose? Wow, "Career Girls". I love this underrated Mike Leigh movie even if it was coming directly after the much heralded "Secrets and Lies" (which I also love without reservations). The late Katrin Cartlidge said this line with her no-nonsense way of spewing words in that mellifluous voice. Plus this movie also boasts of the musical scoring of "SEcrets and Lies" actress Marianne Jean-Baptiste. In my books, Mike Leigh can't do no wrong -- and his actors are always top-notch. Joseph in rainy Chapel Hill np: Tierney Sutton - "What'll I Do" from "Dancing in the Dark" Parts of Yes a icrit : "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:08:40 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Joni's "jazz" albums On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:47:33 -0700 (PDT) I do not have the > two "jazz" albums Joni did in the 1970's so I can't > comment on them too much. As you obviously have and know everything else, I have to ask: why not? Just curious. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 03:24:14 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Summer reading: An impossibly gentle hand... Hi gang, An impossibly gentle hand to John Maguire, most famous for "Wicked" about the (not so) Wicked Witch of the West, and "Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister", which puts a new slant on Cinderella, now with "Mirror Mirror", which redoes Snow White and which I just finished. Yowsah! I love this guy, with his astonishing prose, his gripping central characters, dizzying shifts of perspective, astonishing psychological insights. All three of the fairy tale stories deal with some of the same issues. It's like reading David Copperfield (but much denser and economical than Dickens), watching Othello, looking at Picasso's "The Accordionist" with all of its fractured reality and smoke and, yes, mirrors -- heck, it's like listening to HOSL for the first time!!! The sentence that finally made me see the parallels was the wonderful "She held out her hand, a pretty delicate thing, pale as pounded leather" (although the character's name is not Scarlett but Lucrezia -- yes, that Lucrezia, it's set in Italy during the first few years of the 16th century) -- it's got beautiful, luscious sentences that sound like they could have come from a Joni song: "As if flowers might interrupt the flow of slow ire..." Okay, so it doesn't have rollin', rollin', rock'n'rollin', and HOSL doesn't have any murderous incestuous siblings (that I remember, and you'd think I would), but still, the parallels are amazing: In all three of the novels and in Joni's poetry: (1) No one is just one thing, nor is everyone who they seem to be. (2) Every picture -- every person -- has its shadows and it has its source of light. (3) Be careful what you wish for. (see Edith, Scarlett, or the lady with the hissing lawns...) (4) Speaking of which: Lawns aren't the only thing that can hiss, nor walls hum. (5) Some people are merciless observers of others, and of themselves, too; others don't have a clue. (6) Truth and beauty are evanescent, and are in the eye of the beholder. and so on and so forth. So -- highly recommended, but maybe not for the beach -- *I* can't read a more-or-less historical novel without a dictionary, an atlas, maybe a single-volume general encyclopedia, and that's just too much to lug around in my backpack. Fortunately, I bought the book on Sunday, started it on Monday and finished it yesterday, so I won't have to wreck my back. Now I just have to find something for the next 90 days... (Robert: "You don't need any more books!!!!!") Hope y'all are having a wonderful week -- the City of San Francisco has mayors from about 80 cities around the world in town for a conference on the greenification of cities, which is great, and I happen to live in a neighborhood that was ruined in the '60's by a raised highway that only was removed by a bad earthquake (1989) and then 15 years (!!!) of legal battles. But they've put in a lovely new boulevard with a park on the corner, where the scars of the fallen highway were just a year ago, so they're having a huge community breakfast a block from our apartment tomorrow morning, and all the mayors and their staves are invited. The Govuhnataw is supposed to be here tomorrow -- something I'm sure he is dreading, since he can't gag *all* of the citizens of the City, at least not in front of the all the nice foreigners, ha HA!. So if I can stand up tomorrow, I'm gonna go check it out. I'm not a heckler, but I would so like to see Ahnuldt squirm. Peace, all my jmdl bunnies -- Thor of Octavia Boulevard is loose! love, walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Today in Bizarro Joni History -- njc The Third of June: Today Billy Joe McAllister jumped off the Broadway Bridge and broke his fool neck on the ice below. "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man." --Jebediah Springflield __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 06:16:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: New album to choose? NJC I apologize for not labeling this NJC -- I actually thought I did. Sorry. Joseph Joseph Palis a icrit :Wow, "Career Girls". I love this underrated Mike Leigh movie even if it was coming directly after the much heralded "Secrets and Lies" (which I also love without reservations). The late Katrin Cartlidge said this line with her no-nonsense way of spewing words in that mellifluous voice. Plus this movie also boasts of the musical scoring of "SEcrets and Lies" actress Marianne Jean-Baptiste. In my books, Mike Leigh can't do no wrong -- and his actors are always top-notch. Joseph in rainy Chapel Hill np: Tierney Sutton - "What'll I Do" from "Dancing in the Dark" Parts of Yes a icrit : "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! 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