From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #222 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, May 30 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 222 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover now njc [Randy Remote ] Dylan, Springsteen and Joni Mitchell on American Idol? [WirlyPearl@aol.co] Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc [Smurf ] Re: Amy Correia Lakevill njc [Bob Muller ] Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? [Bob Muller ] Dog Eat Dog acoustic? ["rex and the city ." ] Physiology of music, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Question: Beatles trivia, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] GitV? (Girls in the Valley?) [jrmco1@aol.com] njc, The Triplets of Joniville ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Linguistic triplets and viscious nuns. [littlebreen@comcast.net] Jonifest ["Laurent Olszer" ] Colorless Breen Ideas Read Furiously (njc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: I Once Was Bland, But Now Can't See (njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: Dylan, Springsteen and Joni Mitchell on American Idol? ["Suze Cameron] Re: Casting sessions for the film of Joni's life... ["Suze Cameron" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:15:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover now njc Howdy Sean. I really liked Sheryl's 2nd album-for me the most consistantly strong, and has those dirty Stones guitars. And the video to "If It Makes You Happy"....yow. Considering the state of Michael Jackson's carreer-maybe Sheryl can give *him* a job as a backup singer! Parts of Yes wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Sean and I am new to the list-serve though > not a new Joni fan (though a relatively recent one > given the length of her career). Not to sound cliched > but she is truly one of my favorite musical > artists...one of the few people whose albums I can > listen to for hours. > > Sheryl Crow is fav too. Before I had really > discovered the power of Joni's music, I was listened > to Sheryl incessantly...in some of my darkest periods. > Granted, her lyrics aren't always as deep or moving as > those of Joni's, but they did strike a cord in me at > times so to speak. This was before "C'mon, C'mon," > though some of the sounds on that did as well for me - > "Safe and Sound," and "Weather Channel," mainly. > > 2005 looks like it may be a big year for Sheryl Crow. > Possibly 2 albums and a Joni cover to boot...what more > could a long-time Sheryl fan ask for? :). But to me, > Sheryl is really not the best artist to cover "Real > Good for Free. (one of my favorite songs of all time). > I mean, I could see her covering it but just I think > of other artists more readily...Natalie Merchant, > Jonatha Brooke, Shawn Colvin, Jewel, even Kate Bush > and Concrete Blonde to name a few! I'd have to give > this matter for thought to figure out which Joni song > is better suited for Sheryl Crow. I think it would be > quite "ironic" for Sheryl to cover an ALanis song, a > Hole song, a Lisa Germano song or even a Liz Phair > song. ALl of this notwithstanding, she's certainly > come a long way from Michael Jackson... > > Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:41:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: [none] Yes, if you have C&S and FTR, I would recommend The Hissing of Summer Lawns next. Then Hejira, Blue, Ladies of The Canyon and Song To a Seagull in that order. Welcome. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 06:29:17 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Dylan, Springsteen and Joni Mitchell on American Idol? Hey everyone, This past Wednesday morning, the day that the winner of American Idol would be announced Katie Couric on the Today show had a little panel discussion about the phenomenon of American Idol. The panel included Joe Levy - a Managing Editor of Rolling Stone, Bobby Colomby - a music producer and former member of a famous group (can't remember which) and Lola Ogunnuke - Cultural Reporter for the NY Times. Here is a portion of their discussion. I was so excited that of all the singers that could have been mentioned, Katie chose you know who! I was very proud of her for that. Katie - "Lets talk about some of the great artists of our generation... You think about people like Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell...They would not make the first cut on this show, right Joe?" Joe - "Not Dylan, not Springsteen, Joni Mitchell might. She has a beautiful voice and she was extremely, extremely beautiful when she started and that's the truth. Dylan and Springsteen are odd talents and when you hear these guys at first, you are kinda like....is the stereo working?? And you know, in the '60's they wouldn't have made it on the Ted Mack Amateur Hour. Absolutely not." Katie - "And this show doesn't promote or introduce singer/ songwriters at all, right?" Bobby - "It's a Saturday Night Live skit...Dylan auditioning for American Idol.. (Me now...I think this would be hysterical) This is a vocalist contest and about charisma. It has little to do with the music." Lola - "It's definitely about being able to hit the high note and hold it forever. Just thought I'd share this. I thought it was great that Katie chose Joni as one of the great artists of our generation and thrilled that someone from Rolling Stone had such effusive things to say about her. Rolling Stone has not always been so kind to Joni. I'd really love to see a SNL skit with some famous singers like Dylan and see what the judges would say. Who would you like to see compete in that? Pearl in Hollywood, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 04:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc - --- Randy Remote asks: > More trivia: When John Lennon was tripping, who kept > telling him > "I know what it's like to be dead", inspiring the > song "She Said She Said"? Ed Sullivan? - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 05:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Amy Correia Lakevill njc Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? Hi Jo - you've already gotten plenty of good recommendations - I thought Songs Of A Prairie Girl was a particularly inspired selection - it's a retrospective compilation, so if you intend to buy all of her albums eventually you might not want to go that route, but it is an interesting collection. I'll put in a word for Hejira, my favorite album by anyone ever. Welcome to the JMDL. Bob NP: Peter Gabriel, "Solsbury Hill" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Hi Sean, welcome to the JMDL and thanks for a great first post. As the collector and database manager of Jonicovers I'm always glad to hear of new ones coming out. Hey, as long as Sheryl doesn't do "Both Sides Now" I'm happy! 414 (at last count) is plenty. I've already added Sheryl's cover to our list: http://www.jmdl.com/undercover/ And stay tuned as I'll be announcing Volume 65 in a couple of days. Bob NP: Sam Phillips, "All Night" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:05:59 -0400 From: "rex and the city ." Subject: Dog Eat Dog acoustic? Hey everyone, I just finished watching the 'Woman Of Heart And Mind' DVD and I was struck by the clip of Joni on stage playing 'Dog Eat Dog' with just a piano for accompaniment...I thought it really brought out the lyrical bite and message of the song more directly than the album version. Can anyone tell me where that performance is from, if it's available in full view anywhere, if there's an audio file or CD version of it or a similar version, available somewhere? I would love to hear/own a full acoustic piano version of that song. :-) rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:16:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Physiology of music, njc Laura et al, Sheet music shows the rhythm and repetition of music visually. Melody, order, repetition, and calculated doses of dissonance appeal to our brains. I guess Carl Sagan would have said it like this, "We are wired for music." But, what is the "chills" response? James Taylor called it "goose flesh" in the Squibnocket Pond video. Sometimes it's the back of the skull, other times it's in the spine, or the hair on the forearm stands up. I don't think football fans get "chills" when a long pass in the closing seconds wins the game. Are the chills strictly an "art response"? What's going on physiologically? Jim np: "Refuge of the Roads" video. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:18:02 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Question: Beatles trivia, njc LOL! You're on a roll. Jim From: Smurf [mailto:smurfadelica@yahoo.com] Ed Sullivan? - --Smurf - --- Randy Remote asks: > More trivia: When John Lennon was tripping, who kept > telling him > "I know what it's like to be dead", inspiring the > song "She Said She Said"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:24:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover njc now >This was before "C'mon, C'mon," though some of the sounds on that did as well for me - "Safe and Sound,"< Yes, that is such a beautiful song... first time I heard it was, I think, right after 9/11 (was it on the concert for new york?) with just a girl at her piano, it was so moving and extraordinarily poignant for that moment ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:39:02 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Physiology of music, njc <> Here's your answer, I think, Lama. From some Psych site. Enjoy. -Julius ____ During the early 1900's, a Russian physiologist by the name of Ivan Pavlov was studying the digestive tracks of dogs. Pavlov was interested in saliva's role in the digestive process, and dogs proved to be quite effective subjects for the study of this topic. To get his dogs to salivate, Pavlov would present them with food, placing the target morsel on the canine's tongue. After working with a given dog for a few days, Pavlov noticed that the dog would salivate before being presented with food. The dogs drooled when Pavlov entered the room. They slobbered at the sound of his approaching footsteps! Now, what do Russian scientists and drooling dogs have to do with fetishists? We'll get to that in a moment. You dog owners reading this page might be thinking, "Yeah, dogs slobber when you feed them; so what?" I'm sure you've noticed that you don't have to show your dog food, just hint that food might be a possible event in the near future, and you'll find Fido ensconced in the kitchen, happily wagging his tail in a puddle of anticipatory precipitation. Dogs drool when they think they're going to eat. And that's of major importance to psychology? It was to Pavlov. What got Pavlov's attention was the fact that salivation is a reflex and the dogs were displaying that reflex in the absence of a natural stimulus. This idea, that a natural reflex could be affected by learning, so interested Pavlov that he abandoned his studies of digestion and spent the next 30 years -- the remainder of his career and life -- investigating this phenomenon. Pavlov's Classical Conditioning was the first model of learning to be studied in psychology. Classical Conditioning investigated the capacity of animals to learn new stimuli and connect them to natural reflexes; allowing non - natural cues to elicit a natural reflex. Pavlov developed categories and terminology to study and describe the results of his experiments. In one set of experiments, Pavlov would ring a bell, what he referred to as a neutral stimulus. The dogs could care less about the bell and nothing happened. Then Pavlov would feed his dogs, food being the unconditioned stimulus, and the dogs would drool, presenting the unconditioned response, salivation. Nothing unusual here, just a framework in which to describe change. But after this procedure was repeated, the dogs would start to salivate at the sound of the bell alone. At this point, Pavlov referred to the dogs as being classically conditioned to salivate to the bell. Pavlov's bell now became a conditioned stimulus because it elicited salivation, the conditioned response. The point here is that the dogs had learned to display a reflexive behavior to a new association, one that need have no connection to the original stimulus. Any fetishist who doesn't see the connection here should stop right now and go get coffee. After conditioning his dogs, Pavlov would study how long the new associations would persist and what might modify them. Pavlov noticed many factors that affected the conditioned stimulus and response relationship. Frequency of conditioned and unconditioned stimulus pairings. Timing of stimulus presentation. Similarities between one type of conditioned stimulus and another. Pavlov noticed a phenomena he dubbed stimulus generalization. If a dog became conditioned to slobber to the sound of a bell, then just about any bell might do. Doorbells. Telephones. Why not the cat's cute little ringy collar? Pavlov also studied stimulus discrimination, when the dog would learn that not any bell would do. Certainly not when fluffy became a chew-toy. And something of particular importance that Pavlov studied; once learned, could a conditioned response be eliminated? Pavlov found that conditioned responses could be eliminated gradually; a process he referred to as extinction. If Pavlov rang his bell repeatedly and failed to feed his dogs, they eventually learned the free lunch was over and would once again only salivate in the presence of food. However, Pavlov also noticed that extinct conditioned responses could also reappear after a rest period if the conditioned stimulus was again presented some hours later; a process he dubbed spontaneous recovery. Does this information have any bearing on someone who may have made an unusual connection between -- say quicksand and sex, as a young person - -- and finds that years later that stimulus still produces an unexpected reflexive response -- an erection -- whenever he sporadically encounters this stimulus; either in the media or real life? I think so. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:39:29 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Apology to Murphy, was the Viagra thread, njc Bob, I wasn't taking a shot at you. I'm sorry I offended you. When I read the story I had a thousand punchlines, like the ones Catherine, Vince, and Em posted. I was inviting you to take the punchline instead of making it myself. Lord knows computer geeks can't tell jokes. I turn 50 myself in 6 months; it's not funny to me either although it's better than the alternative. In vaudeville they had straight man and a comedian, right? I was setting it up for you. Okay? Sincerely, Jim Bob Murphy said, >I wondered the same thing and then just thought, oh that's just Lama not making any sense again... Just let it go... The way I see it, Lama could mean one of two things: If he somehow thinks I have erectile dysfunction, it's just untrue, as hundreds of strangers around the world who walk funny can tell you. So that theory just confuses me. If, however, it's Lama's way of making an 'old" joke at my expense, well then I am just dazzled by his wit. Ha ha. What a riot. A regular comedian, that Lama.> - - --- Walt wrote: >> But I think you're confused, Jim -- Smurf is, and >> now I am, going *deaf*, not blind, and in any case, >> not from excessive intake of whoopy medicine -- >> whatever could you have been referring to? Long ago, Jim wrote: The NY Times reports, >The F.D.A. said Friday that it had received reports of partial vision loss in 38 men taking Viagra...> >Paging Bob Murphy.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:08:33 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Physiology of music, njc I had formatting issues, I think, Jim Here's the properly formatted text below. Please ignore the parts about "fetish,." It's not relevant to the question, I don't think. Just didn't want to edit. - -Julius <> Here's your answer, I think, Lama. From some Psych site. Enjoy. -Julius ____ During the early 1900's, a Russian physiologist by the name of Ivan Pavlov was studying the digestive tracks of dogs. Pavlov was interested in saliva's role in the digestive process, and dogs proved to be quite effective subjects for the study of this topic. To get his dogs to salivate, Pavlov would present them with food, placing the target morsel on the canine's tongue. After working with a given dog for a few days, Pavlov noticed that the dog would salivate before being presented with food. The dogs drooled when Pavlov entered the room. They slobbered at the sound of his approaching footsteps! Now, what do Russian scientists and drooling dogs have to do with fetishists? We'll get to that in a moment. You dog owners reading this page might be thinking, "Yeah, dogs slobber when you feed them; so what?" I'm sure you've noticed that you don't have to show your dog food, just hint that food might be a possible event in the near future, and you'll find Fido ensconced in the kitchen, happily wagging his tail in a puddle of anticipatory precipitation. Dogs drool when they think they're going to eat. And that's of major importance to psychology? It was to Pavlov. What got Pavlov's attention was the fact that salivation is a reflex and the dogs were displaying that reflex in the absence of a natural stimulus. This idea, that a natural reflex could be affected by learning, so interested Pavlov that he abandoned his studies of digestion and spent the next 30 years -- the remainder of his career and life -- investigating this phenomenon. Pavlov's Classical Conditioning was the first model of learning to be studied in psychology. Classical Conditioning investigated the capacity of animals to learn new stimuli and connect them to natural reflexes; allowing non - natural cues to elicit a natural reflex. Pavlov developed categories and terminology to study and describe the results of his experiments. In one set of experiments, Pavlov would ring a bell, what he referred to as a neutral stimulus. The dogs could care less about the bell and nothing happened. Then Pavlov would feed his dogs, food being the unconditioned stimulus, and the dogs would drool, presenting the unconditioned response, salivation. Nothing unusual here, just a framework in which to describe change. But after this procedure was repeated, the dogs would start to salivate at the sound of the bell alone. At this point, Pavlov referred to the dogs as being classically conditioned to salivate to the bell. Pavlov's bell now became a conditioned stimulus because it elicited salivation, the conditioned response. The point here is that the dogs had learned to display a reflexive behavior to a new association, one that need have no connection to the original stimulus. Any fetishist who doesn't see the connection here should stop right now and go get coffee. After conditioning his dogs, Pavlov would study how long the new associations would persist and what might modify them. Pavlov noticed many factors that affected the conditioned stimulus and response relationship. Frequency of conditioned and unconditioned stimulus pairings. Timing of stimulus presentation. Similarities between one type of conditioned stimulus and another. Pavlov noticed a phenomena he dubbed stimulus generalization. If a dog became conditioned to slobber to the sound of a bell, then just about any bell might do. Doorbells. Telephones. Why not the cat's cute little ringy collar? Pavlov also studied stimulus discrimination, when the dog would learn that not any bell would do. Certainly not when fluffy became a chew-toy. And something of particular importance that Pavlov studied; once learned, could a conditioned response be eliminated? Pavlov found that conditioned responses could be eliminated gradually; a process he referred to as extinction. If Pavlov rang his bell repeatedly and failed to feed his dogs, they eventually learned the free lunch was over and would once again only salivate in the presence of food. However, Pavlov also noticed that extinct conditioned responses could also reappear after a rest period if the conditioned stimulus was again presented some hours later; a process he dubbed spontaneous recovery. Does this information have any bearing on someone who may have made an unusual connection between -- say quicksand and sex, as a young person - -- and finds that years later that stimulus still produces an unexpected reflexive response -- an erection -- whenever he sporadically encounters this stimulus; either in the media or real life? I think so. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:04:05 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dylan, Springsteen and Joni Mitchell on American Idol? WirlyPearl@aol.com wrote:Katie - "Lets talk about some of the great artists of our generation... > You think about people like Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, > Joni Mitchell...They would not make the first cut on this > show, right Joe?" > > Bobby - "It's a Saturday Night Live skit...Dylan auditioning for > American Idol.. > I'd really love to see a SNL skit with some famous singers like > Dylan and see what the judges would say. Who would you like to > see compete in that? Rod Stewart. Lucinda Williams. Lou Reed. Frank Zappa. Buffy Ste. Marie. Janis Joplin. Mick Jagger. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:10:51 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Physiology of music, njc hi >>>>jim wrote >>>>>> But, what is the "chills" response? >>>>>> .................................... I don't think football fans get >>>>>> "chills" when a long pass in the closing > seconds wins the game. Are the chills strictly an "art response"? > ..................<<<<<< my 2c is that its just an emotional response. people respond emotionally to whatever they are interested in, and passionate about. some people are into music. hence the response there for them. others are into football - hence the emotional response there for them. some people get chills about sappy emotional adverts on tv.............. maybe the "art" response (music, painting, writing) is a re-creation, or capturing of someone elses response, so others can share in it, & it can be enjoyed repeatedly - & thats what sets it apart?? & maybe some people just dont get the chills response about eyetests, esp after theyve been taking viagra. :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:02:56 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: GitV? (Girls in the Valley?) This one is news to me. Does anyone have it? http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/joni_mitchell/685153/album.jhtml Thanks. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:30:58 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, The Triplets of Joniville Anne wrote: "Well, Walt and Patti, I guess we're triplets!!!!" Well, then I guess we're The Triplets of Joniville! (Has anyone seen the French animated film The Triplets of Belleville?) How cool! But I think that soon we'll be quadruplets and quintuplets and sextuplets (Smurf will be the sexth, I daresay!) and you KNOW there may be more! ; ) I loved your childhood memories, Anne. I had almost forgotten the Singing Nun! That brings me to another one of my memories, involving French and nuns and, presciently, Joni, naturellement. In 6th grade I used to wear a beret to school. No one else did but I didn't care because I knew French was cool! (Maybe it was prescient of the Hejira LP cover? Yes, that must be it! lol.....) (Pour vous, Monsieur LittleBreen: Prescient is French, from Old French, from Latin praescins, praescient- present participle of praescre, to know beforehand : prae-, pre- + scre, to know; see skei- in Indo-European Roots, but you knew that, bien sur!) Anyway, back to my little schoolgirl BLUE beret. One day at recess a bunch of boys grabbed it and started playing frisbee with it. Sister Mary Loyola caught them and boy did they get in trouble! (Poor guys, they were only having fun.) And thanks, Walt. You taught me a new word: concatenatation. Life is for learning on the JMDL! (NO WONDER I have JMOCD! Those songs are tattooed on the pillows of my wanderlust!>> God, Patti, that's a wonderful concatenation/combination of two of her most vivd lines!!!) And back to you, Anne....everything seems like it is coming up (for the) roses for you lately. First, the Red Sox finally win at all, and then you get your premier voyage to Paris? Ooh la la! I am happy for you! And back to French, if I may, does anyone remember that hot breathy panting song from the 70's (I think), "Je t'aime?" Bisous, Patti Labelle, Triplet de Joniville ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:59:13 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Linguistic triplets and viscious nuns. Hi, fellow Triplets and jmdlers, <> God, Patti, what a masterpiece -- and for those who for whatever reason hate to watch movies with subtitles, relax, there's virtually no spoken word in this gem, and it truly is inventive and funny, heroic even. Best animated feature I've seen in a long time, and I see them all. <> My parents used to compete as to which of them had been exposed to more viscious nuns growing up in the '30's in RI -- my Irish father or my French-Canadian mother. I think the Irish nuns won on the basis of pointless corporeal abuse, but the French were rather more inventive in terms of psychological torture. My mother's older sister, who got caught speaking English once (it was a French-only school), had to wear hanging around her neck for a week a sign saying something to the effect that she was an idiot or some such. Lovely. My aunt Patty made it all the way through to 8th grade, but my mom, who is quite formidable but easily wounded, was out of there before 2nd or 3rd grade. Merci a dieux. (I just finished an article in Scientific America's May issue called "When Medicine Meets Literature" profiling a wonderful woman named Rita Charon who is a pioneer in terms of helping doctors and nurses learn to really listen to patients -- go, Rita!, as any of us who has been seriously ill would say -- anyway, in a profile below her picture, it says she was "raised in a Providence, RI, community of transplanted French Canadians with a 'densely dark' and 'particularly punitive' form of Catholicism..." Ring a belleville, anyone? Il fault rire.) One last note about French Canadians and nuns: my best bud, the endlessly talented Stephan, who grew up in Montreal and spent some time in parochial schools there, was asked to build a life-sized puppet of a nun for a local theatrical production; he just finished it about a week ago, and it was a beauty -- face (of foam rubber) scrunched up in rage, a rosary clenched in the non-mobile hand, a ruler in the mobile hand ready to slug a kid for some minor infraction. Her name is Sister Marie Inviolata of the Seven Wounds. Best to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > Anne wrote: > > "Well, Walt and Patti, > > I guess we're triplets!!!!" > > Well, then I guess we're The Triplets of Joniville! (Has anyone seen the > French animated film The Triplets of Belleville?) > > How cool! But I think that soon we'll be quadruplets and quintuplets and > sextuplets (Smurf will be the sexth, I daresay!) and you KNOW there may be > more! ; ) > > I loved your childhood memories, Anne. I had almost forgotten the Singing > Nun! That brings me to another one of my memories, involving French and > nuns and, presciently, Joni, naturellement. In 6th grade I used to wear a > beret to school. No one else did but I didn't care because I knew French > was cool! (Maybe it was prescient of the Hejira LP cover? Yes, that must > be it! lol.....) (Pour vous, Monsieur LittleBreen: Prescient is French, > from Old French, from Latin praescins, praescient- present participle of > praescre, to know beforehand : prae-, pre- + scre, to know; see skei- in > Indo-European Roots, but you knew that, bien sur!) Anyway, back to my > little schoolgirl BLUE beret. One day at recess a bunch of boys grabbed it > and started playing frisbee with it. Sister Mary Loyola caught them and boy > did they get in trouble! (Poor guys, they were only having fun.) > > And thanks, Walt. You taught me a new word: concatenatation. Life is for > learning on the JMDL! > > (NO WONDER I have JMOCD! Those songs are tattooed on > the pillows of my wanderlust!>> > > God, Patti, that's a wonderful concatenation/combination of two of her most > vivd > lines!!!) > > And back to you, Anne....everything seems like it is coming up (for the) > roses for you lately. First, the Red Sox finally win at all, and then you > get your premier voyage to Paris? Ooh la la! I am happy for you! > > And back to French, if I may, does anyone remember that hot breathy panting > song from the 70's (I think), "Je t'aime?" > > Bisous, > > Patti Labelle, Triplet de Joniville ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:01:00 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest A list of Jonifest attendees has been posted on: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 01:32:22 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Colorless Breen Ideas Read Furiously (njc) Hi gang, Someone (Marie?) started a thread as to what we're reading lately. This is a dangerous thing to ask of me, as you will now see. If you think my writing is chaotic, you should see my reading: At any given time, I've got countless books and magazines going. In addition to TV Guide, I get Scientific American, Discovery, Vanity Fair, Esquire, and Premiere. It was my pal Stephan, mentioned in a previous post -- he works in the movie biz -- who got me hooked on this last. A lot of Premiere is fluff, and the articles about the politics and backstabbing of the bizniss itself make my eyes roll back into my head, but I have three words for you: Libby Gelman Waxner. Libby's column, ghostwritten by the extremely talented Paul Rudnick, is a marvel. Libby is a (dare I say it -- Libby, if you read this, I'm sorry, and I love you) fortyish maven from somewhere on Long Island who writes an "auteurish" review of movies from, shall we say, a less stuffy, more personal point of view. It's called "If You Ask Me," and every column over the last sixteen years has ended with these four words. To give you an idea of how wonderful La Libbe (as the French call her) is, here are some samples just from this past issue (May, 2005 -- this month the column was entitled "Hell Girl", as Libby reviews Constantine, starring Keanu Reeves and Rachel Weitz) : "Keanu wears a skinny black tie and chain-smokes: He's like a weary noir detective on some new 'CSI: Hades' spinoff." "...and Tilda Swinton pops up as the dark angel Gabriel. Tilda's become one of those Euro-chic actors, like David Bowie and Monica Bellucci, who are hired to give American movies a hipper edge. Tilda's the cinematic equivalent of casually mentioning that you bought your Dolce & Gabbana stilettos at the outlet in Milan." This gets Libby worrying as to whether she will go to hell: "And will I go to hell because I still haven't seen Hotel Rwanda, a fact that makes me feel personally responsible for all the suffering in the world, including both genocide and all of the female contestants' outfits on American Idol, which tend towards tube tops, capri pants, and spike heels? Shouldn't the show be called American Prom Ho?" Actually, after reading that sentence (once I calmed down and my breathing returned to normal) I got what I think is a pretty good idea for a movie, perhaps to be scripted and directed by those two nice boys who do South Park (although Libby, if you read this, you'll always get first refusal for any of my ideas). Anyway, it's a movie, a la Mahogany, about the first Asian-American supermodel/singer/movie star. Naturally, her stage name, and the name of the movie, would be "Publicity Ho!". Finally, one last Libby quotation from that same column: "I recently enjoyed an episode of The Starlet, where a bunch of pretty young actresses were required to strap themselves into string bikinis and lounge in a hot tub, where they were filmed performing a lesbian makeout scene. Their work was then critiqued by Vivica A. Fox, Faye Dunaway, and a gay guy in a black turtleneck. It was riveting -- it was like watching a beauty pageant where the winner would be shot by Phil Spector. And personally, I could watch Faye Dunaway's upper lip try to move for hours." It took me half an hour to calm down from that one. Libby Gelman Waxner, I love you. On to books: I recently read in one sitting Robert Parker's latest Spencer installment, "Bad Business". I've been reading this series of detective novels so long that if there was a knock on the door and I opened it and Spencer, Hawk and Susan Silverman were there, I'd say, "Hey guys, c'mon in, I'll order a pizza." Anyone worrying, given I would welcome fictional characters into my home without skipping a beat, that my sanity is up to question obviously are not aware that that ship sailed long ago. Also recently finished -- the omnibus edition of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, by Douglas Adams. I'd already read all of his books at one time or another, but I'd gone to see the Hitchhiker movie, so I had to go back and visit *those* fictional characters. The movie, by the way, is worth seeing even if you're *not* into the cerebral humor that is the hallmark of Adams' writing. (Those still worried about my psychic hygiene will be reassured to learn that now that I've seen the movie and have dissonant concepts about what the characters look like, I wouldn't be so quick to just let them in and share pizza; I'd have to ask for IDs first.) Anyone who wants a sampling of Adams' prose style should go to . Oh, all right, I can't resist a couple of sentences: "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. " "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. " "It is no coincidence that in no known language does the phrase 'As pretty as an Airport' appear. " And so on. The man's a genius, but not everyone's cup of tea. Still reading: "Molvania: A Land untouched By Modern Dentistry (a Jetlag Travel Guide)". This is a brilliant parody of travel books -- which I actually collect, odd given how little I actually travel, but see notes on mental health, above. A sample of quotes, taken more or less at random from the book: "[regarding Molvanian wines]... The grape has an extremely tough skin and for many years could only be crushed with rifle butts. The grape juice from this crush is extremely astringent and must undergo a filter press. The first run-off is used in premium cuvees and the second juice is used to tan saddles." "Watch Out!: Due to erratic water pressure, guests in Vajana's top hotels are advised against using the bidets (freklysqirtz). As one visitor pointed out, 'There's a fine line between personal hygiene and colonic irrigation.' " And my favorite picture so far (99% of the photos in the book are from actual snapshots taken in various parts of the Eastern Bloc in the '70's and '80's) is of a hotel or office building about 20 stories high which is *actually listing about five degrees to starboard*!! The caption reads: "A marvel of modern architecture, the Leaning Tower of Sasava was built entirely without foundations. Scientists estimate that the structure leans an extra centimetre to the right every time someone slams the lobby door." Finally, I'm slowly working my way through an art history/criticism book, "Cubism and Twentieth-Century Art", by Robert Rosenblum. It's a new edition or really reprint of a book originally written in 1960 (the author is still alive as of 2001). It really is brilliant. I've always wanted to know cubism happened, so quickly, and seemingly out of no-where, and now I'm finding out. Soon I'll be finished with Molvania, and I'll need to get another light book for summer reading -- I'm taking suggestions from friends, fictional and otherwise, so feel free to make any. Best to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:42:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: I Once Was Bland, But Now Can't See (njc) LittleBreen@comcast.net wrote: > Jim lamadoo reported: > > The NY Times reports, > >The F.D.A. said Friday that it had received reports of partial vision loss > in 38 men taking Viagra... > > Paging Bob Murphy.> > > Yes. My guess is that they started the blindness process long before they got Viagra, and exacerbated it from all the contorsions and fallings-over Yes, I've heard exacerbation can cause blindness. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:47:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc, The Triplets of Joniville Patti wrote: > In 6th grade I used to wear a beret to school. No one else did but I > didn't care because I knew French was cool! Ha! When I was in around 5th grade a couple of aunts were traveling in Europe and sent me a beautiful blue wool beret from Paris. My mother (French background) wanted me to wear it all the time but could only succeed in forcing me to wear it to Mass some Sundays (when we still had to cover our heads). I definitely did not want to wear it but she always kept it well wrapped away so it would be in good condition. It wasn't until Joni started wearing them that I thought - hmm, maybe it is cool afterall ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:45:44 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Dylan, Springsteen and Joni Mitchell on American Idol? Hi Pearl!!! Thanks for posting this. I don't get to catch much on tv so I always appreciate when folks pass along Joni mentions. As far as who I would like to see on A.I....I would enjoy hearing what Simon would have to say about Bjork, or Elvis Costello, or the Sex Pistols, or Iggy Pop. Of course, I don't watch the show, but both my girls at University plan their lives around it. It amazes me, this whole reality tv craze. Whatever happened to writers and actors....??? Speaking of which, Jamie!!! Congrats! Send a copy of your promo back to the states with Bob or Jody or Ashara, I would love to see a morph of Jack/Jamie! Suze n.p., Pistons losing to Pearl's Heat :-( - ----- Original Message ----- From: WirlyPearl@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Dylan, Springsteen and Joni Mitchell on American Idol? Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 06:29:17 EDT > > Hey everyone, > This past Wednesday morning, the day that the winner of American > Idol would be announced Katie Couric on the Today show had a > little panel discussion about the phenomenon of American Idol. > The panel included Joe Levy - a Managing Editor of Rolling Stone, > Bobby Colomby - a music producer and former member of a famous > group (can't remember which) and Lola Ogunnuke - Cultural Reporter for the > NY Times. > > Here is a portion of their discussion. I was so excited that of > all the singers that could have been mentioned, Katie chose > you know who! I was very proud of her for that. > > Katie - "Lets talk about some of the great artists of our generation... > You think about people like Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, > Joni Mitchell...They would not make the first cut on this > show, right Joe?" > Joe - "Not Dylan, not Springsteen, Joni Mitchell might. She has a > beautiful voice and she was extremely, extremely beautiful > when she started and that's the truth. Dylan and Springsteen > are odd talents and when you hear these guys at first, you are > kinda like....is the stereo working?? And you know, in the > '60's > they wouldn't have made it on the Ted Mack Amateur Hour. > Absolutely not." > Katie - "And this show doesn't promote or introduce singer/ > songwriters at all, right?" > Bobby - "It's a Saturday Night Live skit...Dylan auditioning for > American Idol.. (Me now...I think this would be hysterical) > This is a vocalist contest and about charisma. It has little > to do with the music." > Lola - "It's definitely about being able to hit the high note and > hold it forever. > > Just thought I'd share this. I thought it was great that Katie > chose Joni as one of the great artists of our generation and thrilled > that someone from Rolling Stone had such effusive things to say > about her. Rolling Stone has not always been so kind to Joni. > I'd really love to see a SNL skit with some famous singers like > Dylan and see what the judges would say. Who would you like to > see compete in that? > > Pearl in Hollywood, FL - -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:04:11 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Casting sessions for the film of Joni's life... Jumping on this thread WAY late, but there was an American tv show in the 80s called the Wonder Years, and the daughter was this hippy type who I thought looked a lot like Joni. Olivia D'Abo? Was that her? I think she's English. Is she the one I am thinking of??? Suze - ----- Original Message ----- From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com To: "Mark-Leon Thorne" Subject: Casting sessions for the film of Joni's life... Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:22:05 +0100 > > Quoting Mark-Leon Thorne : > > << Who would play the people she associated with? Like, David Crosby and > Graham Nash. Larry Klein and Jaco Pastorious.>> > > How about Wilford Brimley for Crosby?? OK, he's getting on a bit, but he has > that avuncular walrus thang going on. For Graham Nash, I'm > thinking Hugh Grant > (if he can do the Manchester accent). Jaco would have to be Steve Buscemi. > Larry I'm struggling with, any suggestion? > > What about James Taylor? It would have to be a very beautiful man with a lot > of charisma and preferably some musical talent: Viggo Mortensen? > > I think of the actresses who have been mentioned so far, the ones > who have some > small resemblance to Joni are Deborah Kara Unger and Mariel Hemingway. It may > be sacriligious to suggest it (I think someone already has), but Jewel might > also be a good choice, in that, firstly, she knows one end of a > guitar from the > other, and secondly, she can actually act, as anyone who has seen > Ride With The > Devil will know. > > Azeem in London - -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:24:13 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Colorless Breen Ideas Read Furiously (njc) Walt wrote: > It took me half an hour to calm down from that one. Libby Gelman > Waxner, I love you. I think I do too, and I've only read what you've transcribed here! I don't suppose she's on the 'net anywhere? Actually I just answered that myself with a Google search, and found several interesting snippets. She also writes under the name Paul Rudnick, and has written a book and several screenplays, including "Addams Family Values", "In And Out" and "The Stepford Wives". And describing Douglas Adams: > And so on. The man's a genius, but not everyone's cup of tea. I'm sure I've posted this one before, but it's one of my favourite Adams quotes (from "So long, and thanks for all the fish": "There was sort of a galley structure in the roof space which held a bed and also a bathroom which, Fenchurch explained, you could actually swing a cat in. 'But,' she added, 'only if it was a reasonably patient cat and didn't mind a few nasty cracks about the head.'" I also love the sub-title of "Mostly Harmless": "The fifth book in the increasingly inaccurately named Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy." > Soon I'll be finished with Molvania, and I'll need to get another > light book for summer reading -- I'm taking suggestions from > friends, fictional and otherwise, so feel free to make any. I assume you've read his other (non-Hitchhikers) books? Two that come to mind are "The Long Dark Tea Time Of The Soul" and "Dirk Gentleys Holistic Detective Agency" - definitely worth a read if you haven't already. Hell - definitely a Douglas Adams fan (I've even got the original radio series on LP)! _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #222 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)