From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #221 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 29 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 221 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shery Crow (njc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: Shery Crow (njc) [Smurf ] I Once Was Bland, But Now Can't See (njc) [LittleBreen@comcast.net] Re: I Once Was Bland, But Now Can't See (njc) [Smurf ] Re: All I Wanna Do Is Sing 'For Free' - njc [vince ] RE: All I Wanna Do Is Sing 'For Free' - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc [Randy Remote ] Re: books, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: what are you reading? njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:58:51 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Shery Crow (njc) <> I prefer Bonnie overall, too -- but I disagree in that I had mixed feelings about SC's first album, and have still never heard the second (eponymous) album, to the extent that I thought she was a one-hit wonder and had disappeared. Then "Globe Sessions" came out and blew me out of the water -- it sounded more raw and less calculated than the first album, and again, I can't speak to the second. Shacoon ah sown gew*, I guess. Walt (*I thought I'd better explain this -- a dear friend of mine is from Asheville, NC, and after getting three degrees from three universities, including a stint at Oxford in the UK as a Rhodes Scholar, he *still* sounds like he just fell off the turnip truck. He once said this, and it took me a few moments to realize he'd just said "Chacun a son gout", aka "To each his own.") - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Shery Crow (njc) ---Frenchified Walt wrote: > > Shacoon ah sown gew*, I guess. This reminds me of a story... In the 80's I had a friend named Rosalyn who worked with me in Boston, and later, in NYC. Rosa spoke French very well apparently. We often walked by the same bar together, a rough-looking place called the Dugout. One day I happened to mention the name of the bar as we passed and Rosa nearly collaped with laughter. She told me that for years she had assumed the name of the place was Du Gout! --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Marie Curie?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:08:58 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: I Once Was Bland, But Now Can't See (njc) Jim lamadoo reported: The NY Times reports, >The F.D.A. said Friday that it had received reports of partial vision loss in 38 men taking Viagra... Paging Bob Murphy.> Yes. My guess is that they started the blindness process long before they got Viagra, and exacerbated it from all the contorsions and fallings-over (from trying, e.g., to untie their shoes *after* they took it, they should be so lucky) that happened once they got it. The poor benighted gentleman they spoke to on NBC or CBS News the other night was especially enlightening in this respect. Nobody ever increased their IQ by getting a woody. But I think you're confused, Jim -- Smurf is, and now I am, going *deaf*, not blind, and in any case, not from excessive intake of whoopy medicine -- whatever could you have been referring to? Curious (but not turgid), Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: I Once Was Bland, But Now Can't See (njc) - --- Walt wrote: > But I think you're confused, Jim -- Smurf is, and > now I am, going *deaf*, not blind, and in any case, > not from excessive intake of whoopy medicine -- > whatever could you have been referring to? I wondered the same thing and then just thought, oh that's just Lama not making any sense again... Just let it go... The way I see it, Lama could mean one of two things: If he somehow thinks I have erectile dysfunction, it's just untrue, as hundreds of strangers around the world who walk funny can tell you. So that theory just confuses me. If, however, it's Lama's way of making an 'old" joke at my expense, well then I am just dazzled by his wit. Ha ha. What a riot. A regular comedian, that Lama. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:28:51 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RE: To the professor of Prepositions at the University of Conjunction Well, Walt and Patti, I guess we're triplets!!!! I loved languages from a very early age. French especially. My father used to bring home French coloring books about the Lapin family (rabbits, of course). And I used to listen to The Singing Nun record (except for that one silly song, it was really quite beautiful and in French, of course.) I watched the show Combat because I was enthralled with the character "Caje" who translated French for the American soldiers. And then there was Maurice, the third grader from Paris who came to my first grade class for reading. It was then that I decided the one day I had to go to Paris (even though I wasn't quite sure what Paris was.) Well, I finally got my wish last week. And I spoke French to everyone. And not a single person tried to speak English to me. What a thrill!!!! Oh, and I also took Spanish and Latin. Fellow students in college who were also majoring in languages used to put newspapers from around the world in front of me to see if I could translate. I usually did pretty well. Italian is pretty easy to understand (read anyway) after Latin, Spanish, and French. But I also translated Romanian regularly. I remember memorizing the Cyrillic alphabet one summer, in hopes of getting a particular co-op job at the Library of Congress. (I never did get the job.) And I've dabbled in some Arabic (after taking a special seminar in college). I love language. Always have. It's nice to know there are others who share the love of languages. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: All I Wanna Do Is Sing 'For Free' - njc - --- About the world's most public colonoscopy, Michael Paz wrote: > I hope all went well with your cedure today. A-OK, Paz, although the doctor did mention that his examination revealed that I appeared to have been pinned in a corner in the not-too-distant past. And for the rest of you jokers, no, they did not find Jimmy Hoffa. The colonoscopy folks insisted that I have a friend pick me up after the procedure because I would be coming down off the drugs they would be giving me during "The Fantastic Voyage." How strange after nearly three years of not drinking alcohol to wake up this morning and realize I had called people in about ten states to let them know the results after my friend dropped me off at home yesterday afternoon. It was just like alcoholism without the hangover! Also, I am glad so many of you liked my Mitchell/Crow parody. I can't really claim credit, however, because what happened was Jesus Christ and the Muses used me as an instrument of their twisted humor. XO, - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:46:06 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Polio Survivors of polio call for research into bsecond waveb of symptoms From Judith Duffy, Health Correspondent, Sunday Herald May 28, 2005 SURVIVORS of polio are campaigning to raise awareness of a debilitating related condition which is striking decades after they first contracted the disease. Before the introduction of a vaccine 50 years ago, thousands of children in the United Kingdom caught polio, which can cause muscle paralysis, disability and death. Thanks to extensive rehabilitation, many of those who were affected recovered to lead active and independent lives. But years later, polio survivors are now facing a bsecond waveb of new symptoms related to the disease. Post-polio syndrome (PPS) is an umbrella term covering a range of symptoms, including fatigue, muscle weakness, pains in the joints, sensitivity to anaesthetics and respiratory difficulties. Campaigners say there is little awareness among doctors as polio was largely consigned to the medical textbooks in Britain following the success of the vaccination programme. Yet around 80,000 people in the UK have had polio and estimates of how many of them are at risk of PPS vary between 25% and 80%. Graham Ball, chief executive of the British Polio Fellowship, said: bIt has taken a long time for the medical profession to acknowledge that PPS is a real syndrome and not just part of the standard ageing process. bIt was recognised about 10 years ago, but it is still not widely known by the medical profession. That is one of the major issues. bOur members go to the doctor and it is sometimes just written off as byoubre getting old like the rest of usb. But it is not, it is more than normal ageing, and people who were able to lead quite active lives can no longer do so.b The condition, which is not life-threatening, involves the death of individual nerve endings, but it is not known exactly what triggers PPS or who is likely to get it. Symptoms can appear anywhere from 20 to 40 years after recovery from polio. Diagnosis is usually based on the patient previously having had polio and the elimination of other possible conditions. Despite the lack of knowledge, Ball said bno real researchb is being done to find out more about the condition. bOne problem is that people donbt know whether they are going to get it,b he said. bA lot of our younger members are living in fear of it, as they donbt know whether it is going to affect them and the degree of disablement. bPolio is a forgotten disease b the disease may have been eradicated [in the UK], but we havenbt eradicated the people who have got it.b The Scottish Post Polio Network, which has more than 150 members, is currently collecting signatures for a petition to the Scottish parliament. It states that there has been bcontinuing resistanceb to recognising PPS and calls for a review of neurological services in Scotland for sufferers. Agnes Walker, a founder member of the network who had polio as a child, said polio survivors had bdisappearedb off the medical map after the disease was successfully tackled through vaccination. She said: bIt is not really their fault, but a lot of the doctors in this country donbt recognise it at all. When the vaccine was introduced, polio became very rare and as a consequence of that the medical profession has no knowledge of polio either. People have been told they are imagining things and that a lot of their symptoms are in their head. bSome [survivors] also never associated it with having polio, as that was over and done with when they were younger.b She added: bWe disappeared for a while, that has been our problem. bYou just got on with your life and then you got new symptoms, like fatigue, new muscle weakness and youbre just not able to do the things you used to do. You hit the stage of where you just got on with your life and then bang, itbs like being disabled all over again.b However, Walker said that in other countries, such as the US, Canada and Australia, the condition has received greater recognition, with multi- disciplinary clinics available for those with PPS. She said: bWhen patients come to the clinic, the co-ordinator has made all the necessary appointments, for example if they need to see a physician, or a neurologist or a nutritionist, then that is all organised. That is basically what we want in Scotland b a holistic approach, that is what we are campaigning for.b High-profile survivors of polio include actress Mia Farrow, who backed a letter-writing campaign in the US to raise awareness of PPS two years ago. Others include Franklin D Roosevelt, who became president of the US after battling the disease, film director Francis Ford Coppola and folk singer Joni Mitchell. Science fiction author Arthur C Clarke, 87, was diagnosed with PPS in 1988 and now uses a wheelchair. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:33:48 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: All I Wanna Do Is Sing 'For Free' - njc Smurf wrote: > >I can't really claim credit, however, because >what happened was Jesus Christ and the Muses used me >as an instrument of their twisted humor. > > > > I thought that was true on *ever* post you ever made?!? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:34:28 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: All I Wanna Do Is Sing 'For Free' - njc that should have been *every* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:20:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: All I Wanna Do Is Sing 'For Free' - njc >It was a poet and the poem had already been published, and she negotiated payment for it. I believe the poem had appeared in _Poetry_ magazine. < my 2 cents... I don't know what the actual copywrite negotiation was... since this was her debut album who knew if this song was going to be a hit? And if this poem had not been made into a potential hit song what kind of income would the poem standing on its own have generated? (Oh, okay now that I've read the article it shows that the poem definitely helped his career... Happy ending I'd say) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Parts of Yes Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Hello, My name is Sean and I am new to the list-serve though not a new Joni fan (though a relatively recent one given the length of her career). Not to sound cliched but she is truly one of my favorite musical artists...one of the few people whose albums I can listen to for hours. Sheryl Crow is fav too. Before I had really discovered the power of Joni's music, I was listened to Sheryl incessantly...in some of my darkest periods. Granted, her lyrics aren't always as deep or moving as those of Joni's, but they did strike a cord in me at times so to speak. This was before "C'mon, C'mon," though some of the sounds on that did as well for me - "Safe and Sound," and "Weather Channel," mainly. 2005 looks like it may be a big year for Sheryl Crow. Possibly 2 albums and a Joni cover to boot...what more could a long-time Sheryl fan ask for? :). But to me, Sheryl is really not the best artist to cover "Real Good for Free. (one of my favorite songs of all time). I mean, I could see her covering it but just I think of other artists more readily...Natalie Merchant, Jonatha Brooke, Shawn Colvin, Jewel, even Kate Bush and Concrete Blonde to name a few! I'd have to give this matter for thought to figure out which Joni song is better suited for Sheryl Crow. I think it would be quite "ironic" for Sheryl to cover an ALanis song, a Hole song, a Lisa Germano song or even a Liz Phair song. ALl of this notwithstanding, she's certainly come a long way from Michael Jackson... Sean - --- onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 28 2005 > Volume 2005 : Number 154 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued > [jrmco1@aol.com] > RE: This year's Jonifest in France > [ReckersL@ebrd.com] > Rock Star > [jrmco1@aol.com] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Bob > Muller ] > Re: Rock Star (Timothy White's Joni interview) > [Bob Muller Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover > [jrmco1@aol.com] > RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover ["Richard Flynn" > ] > RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Bob > Muller ] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover > [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover > [tejas4x4@aol.com] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover > [Em ] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover > [jrmco1@aol.com] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover ["Lama, Jim > L'Hommedieu" Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover ["Ric Robinson" > Real Good, For Free, 100% JC ["Lama, Jim > L'Hommedieu" ] > RE: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC ["Richard Flynn" > Re: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC > [jrmco1@aol.com] > Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 > [jrmco1@aol.com] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Michael Paz > ] > Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Michael Paz > ] > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:44:35 -0400 > From: jrmco1@aol.com > Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued > > Nicely done again, Kakki. So cool to revisit this! > I just love her > vernacular and stream-of consciousness speaking > style. > > Let me fill in your blanks here for ya, girlfriend: > > - - 1st _____. That would be "Scorpio," right? > Like me...? > > - - 2nd _____ ____. And the answer is: the "DAILY > DOUBLE!?" No, I'm > just jerking your chain. She referred to New York > Village Voice > magazine writer and columnist "Greg Tate," who wrote > a humorous piece > entitled "How Black is Joni Mitchell?" He read it > to her and those > assembled at McGill U. in Canada, when they made > Joni a "doctor" and > had a scholarly 2-day Joni-Mitchell-is-a-Genius > seminar, which she > attended to everyone's surprise and delight! I > haven't read/heard > Tate's piece yet. Naturally, I'm dying to get my > grubby hands/ears > on/around it. > > - - 3rd ______. Write in: "radio"; "...radio > friendly" > > Thanks again, Kakki. Such a fun read. > > - -Julius > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Kakki > To: Michael Paz ; > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:39:39 -0700 > Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued > > Here is some more of Joni. I simply could not > pick up/hear the > moderator's questions and comments but Joni's voice > stood out (mostly) > very clear so only her commentary is included here: > > ********** > > I learned to play guitar in standard tuning but > I'm born _______ a > week under the "Discoverer" which usually favors > scientists so I have > this peculiar need to be original and (to go) where > no one else has > been, which is kind of a scientific proclivity. So > all the chords in > standard tuning sound happy to me -- whereas most > people like the > familiarity of it, I create chords that you couldn't > get off the guitar > and my friend Debbie Green's husband and boyfriend, > Eric Anderson, > showed me open G tuning which is what the old black > blues players > played - which is banjo tuning translated to the > guitar. And that > motivated me to a considerable degree. And then > after that I began to > just twiddle around to open chords and sometimes I > would tune it like a > rava (sp?) to the environment. I had kind of beach > tunings so the > region where you have songbirds, nature plays in > regional keys. Like > even in Los Angeles we went out and recorded > crickets and one day they > were singing in one key - all of them, and another > day they were > singing in another key - all of them. So areas tune > themselves in a > certain way for whatever reason. So then I began to > do that - like tune > to areas and then also to tune to chords. Like > supposing I had > something that had struck in my craw - a particular > emotion that was > still raw and unfocused but wanting to come out. I > would twiddle the > guitar knobs around until I found a modality that > was emotionally > kindred. Some of these chords were then too > emotionally complex for > white people but black people had no problem with > it. I just had my > doctorate of music and ____ ____ spoke and one of > the things that he > said was "is she so black that she thinks 11th and > 13th chords are ____ > friendly?" Brazilians were able to tolerate or > thrill to a greater > harmonic power whereas Western mind again seemed to > like its tragedy > minor and its happiness major and the most complex > emotion it could > take would be a 7th chord. > > You know, my daughter was at large, like "where's > my girl, where's my > girl?" That's a dissonance in my life for many > years. "Are they going > to drop the bomb, are they going to drop the bomb?" > There's another > dissonance. I spent my whole life with these complex > dissonances and > felt that majors and minors were too simplistic to > express how it was I > felt. So even (with a) happy feeling there would be > a tension line of a > second, like a little irritating buzz running > through a major chord > (that) suited me just fine. > > *********** > > Kakki > > NP: Keiki O Ka 'Aina - Robi Kahakalau > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:49 +0100 > From: ReckersL@ebrd.com > Subject: RE: This year's Jonifest in France > > Sorry for the late reaction, but Jody and Scott > signing up, that's EXCELLENT > news! > > Laurent, how about sending the list of all names > again, as per popular > request? > > And I just saw that the Euro is at its lowest > against === message truncated === "Where some have found their paradise Others just come to harm" - Joni Mitchell, "Amelia" (1976) "It took an hour, maybe a day But once I really listened, the noise Just went away" - Liz Phair, "Stratford-On-Guy" (1993) "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" "Take this Mute mouth Broken tongue. Now this Dark life Is shot through with light" - Suzanne Vega "Pilgrimage" (1990) "All I know of you is in my memory All I ask is you Remember me." - Suzanne Vega "Rosemary" (1998) "Honey help me out of this mess I'm a stranger to myself But don't reach for me, I'm too far away I don't wanna talk 'cuz there's nothing left to say" - - Fiona Apple "The Child is Gone" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:39:22 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Question: Beatles trivia, njc Shout by Phillip Norman or the Anthology More trivia: When John Lennon was tripping, who kept telling him "I know what it's like to be dead", inspiring the song "She Said She Said"? "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > The JMDL master of Beatles trivia has spoken. I admit to reading only one > book about them. RR, what should be the 2nd book? > > Jim > Covington, KY > > From: Randy Remote [mailto:guitarzan@direcpc.com] > >Apple Scruffs. Too easy. Great song from All Things Must Pass.> > > "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > >> What was the nickname that The Beatles gave to fans who hung around the > >> Abbey Road studio? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:43:57 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: books, njc > Rachel Carson's, "Silent Spring.". I read this book in graduate school. We were required to read books that weren't directly related to our medical studies. I chose this one off the list. I'm in Tampa at my best friend's house. There is nobody I know of more giving than she is. How do I love her, let me count the ways... Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:47:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? > Jo Lar wrote: > > Hi everyone. I'ma new member at JMDL. I just got into Joni and I have 2 of > her albums {C&S, FTR) and I love both of them, especially the former. I'm just > glad to be apart of a place where I can talk about her. I, also, wanna know > what next album should I get from her. :) Hi Jo! Welcome! I would suggest Songs of a Praire Girl. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:49:34 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: what are you reading? njc lots of road maps and details on skateboard parks... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #221 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)