From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #218 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 218 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tinkling cymbals njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued [jrmco1@aol.com] RE: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! (njc) [ReckersL@eb] RE: This year's Jonifest in France [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) [Em ] Re: Rock Star (Timothy White's Joni interview) [Bob Muller ] RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Bob Muller ] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Bonnie was [ RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover] (now NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Bonnie was [ RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover] (now NJC) [Jerry Notaro] will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross [Em ] Oops - apologies, Julius njc [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] RE: Oops - apologies, Julius njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Oops - apologies, Julius njc [jrmco1@aol.com] RE: Sheryl Crow NJC [Joseph Palis ] RE: Separated at birth? A JMOCD *and* a linguist??!! (njc) ["Patti Parlet] Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross [Catherine McKay ] Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross [Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Tinkling cymbals njc Smurf wrote: > Don't forget the first part of that quotation: "It is > a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury and > signifying nothing." Yes, thank you for the entire quote. And. in the context of politics, I feel that "idiot" is plural - hee. Quoting Gode Vidal: > "There used to be all those talk shows back in the > '50s and '60s, when I was on television a great deal. People would > talk about many important things, and you had some very good talkers. Yes, those were the days and I well remember Gore appearing on them. Cavett, Buckley, Susskind, Frost.... > They're not allowed on now. I would disagree with him here - now they are just all over the place and not on one or two channels. Russert, Rose and I know there may be more. Plus there is PBS and NPR. > Or they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you > have a number of people who pretend to be journalists > but are really like animals. Each one has his own noise--there's the > donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each one is a > different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The result is > chaos, which is what is intended. LOL! Well, my take is that it is mostly the same dreck you hear on other stations - just in a livelier, louder, bright garish lights and music format. Or it could just be that Fox presents it that way for the hard of hearing or those with attention drift or those who tend to get drowsy or glazed listening to a few on some of the other stations. LOL >They don't want the people to know > anything, and the people don't." Oh, I think he underestimates the people. Those who want to know will always seek to learn, those who don't care or have other priorities will probably not tune in no matter what the medium. Kakki NP: Meleana E - Willie K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:44:35 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued Nicely done again, Kakki. So cool to revisit this! I just love her vernacular and stream-of consciousness speaking style. Let me fill in your blanks here for ya, girlfriend: - - 1st _____. That would be "Scorpio," right? Like me...? - - 2nd _____ ____. And the answer is: the "DAILY DOUBLE!?" No, I'm just jerking your chain. She referred to New York Village Voice magazine writer and columnist "Greg Tate," who wrote a humorous piece entitled "How Black is Joni Mitchell?" He read it to her and those assembled at McGill U. in Canada, when they made Joni a "doctor" and had a scholarly 2-day Joni-Mitchell-is-a-Genius seminar, which she attended to everyone's surprise and delight! I haven't read/heard Tate's piece yet. Naturally, I'm dying to get my grubby hands/ears on/around it. - - 3rd ______. Write in: "radio"; "...radio friendly" Thanks again, Kakki. Such a fun read. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki To: Michael Paz ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:39:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued Here is some more of Joni. I simply could not pick up/hear the moderator's questions and comments but Joni's voice stood out (mostly) very clear so only her commentary is included here: ********** I learned to play guitar in standard tuning but I'm born _______ a week under the "Discoverer" which usually favors scientists so I have this peculiar need to be original and (to go) where no one else has been, which is kind of a scientific proclivity. So all the chords in standard tuning sound happy to me -- whereas most people like the familiarity of it, I create chords that you couldn't get off the guitar and my friend Debbie Green's husband and boyfriend, Eric Anderson, showed me open G tuning which is what the old black blues players played - which is banjo tuning translated to the guitar. And that motivated me to a considerable degree. And then after that I began to just twiddle around to open chords and sometimes I would tune it like a rava (sp?) to the environment. I had kind of beach tunings so the region where you have songbirds, nature plays in regional keys. Like even in Los Angeles we went out and recorded crickets and one day they were singing in one key - all of them, and another day they were singing in another key - all of them. So areas tune themselves in a certain way for whatever reason. So then I began to do that - like tune to areas and then also to tune to chords. Like supposing I had something that had struck in my craw - a particular emotion that was still raw and unfocused but wanting to come out. I would twiddle the guitar knobs around until I found a modality that was emotionally kindred. Some of these chords were then too emotionally complex for white people but black people had no problem with it. I just had my doctorate of music and ____ ____ spoke and one of the things that he said was "is she so black that she thinks 11th and 13th chords are ____ friendly?" Brazilians were able to tolerate or thrill to a greater harmonic power whereas Western mind again seemed to like its tragedy minor and its happiness major and the most complex emotion it could take would be a 7th chord. You know, my daughter was at large, like "where's my girl, where's my girl?" That's a dissonance in my life for many years. "Are they going to drop the bomb, are they going to drop the bomb?" There's another dissonance. I spent my whole life with these complex dissonances and felt that majors and minors were too simplistic to express how it was I felt. So even (with a) happy feeling there would be a tension line of a second, like a little irritating buzz running through a major chord (that) suited me just fine. *********** Kakki NP: Keiki O Ka 'Aina - Robi Kahakalau ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:52:39 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! (njc) Jamie, that's great news! I would so love to see that advert, but are you talking about today Friday or Friday next week? Today I won't be able to watch it (will be on my way to the ferry for 3 days hiking with old school friends in Belgium), but I could try to find someone who can record it. In any case, I'm very much looking forward to seeing you again in person at the fest! Lots of love, Lieve. - -----Original Message----- ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. From: Jamie Zubairi [mailto:jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 26 May 2005 22:15 To: Laurent Olszer; ReckersL@ebrd.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! Hi Lieve and Laurent I'm so excited about this event, I can't wait to go... I'm waiting for Ryanair to give those silly offers to Carcassone/Perpignan before I book my tickets and I guess i'll just chance it when I get down there as to how to get to the fest... maybe I'll even hire a car... whoah... Good news is that this week I'VE BEEN FILMING AN AD!!!!Maltesers in the UK are sponsoring the new season of Will and Grace and I am doing the ad campaign that accompanies the series... YAYYY! SO watch will and Grace next Friday, you UK Jonilisters... It'll be me play very gay, very camp, very Jack... If anyone has seem me in anything (Azeem, I think has) this will be Very different to anythign that I've ever done... heheh. I'm trying to sneak in a Joni reference into the script during the improvs... I wonder... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Thanks Lieve for posting. > The info you pasted is a little old, all latest is > indeed at > www.jmdl.com/jonifest > Scott & Jody just booked the last room at Fargo this > week. So we now have > about 25 participants. > And luckily for me most of the people I was curious > to meet are coming over! > > We are sort of holding some B&Bs in standby for > procrastinators. > > Laurent > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This email has been virus scanned ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:49 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: This year's Jonifest in France Sorry for the late reaction, but Jody and Scott signing up, that's EXCELLENT news! Laurent, how about sending the list of all names again, as per popular request? And I just saw that the Euro is at its lowest against the dollar for something like 7 months, so that's a positive trend too! Lieve in London. - -----Original Message----- From: Laurent Olszer [mailto:olszer@xlsecurity.com] Sent: 25 May 2005 13:34 To: ReckersL@ebrd.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: This year's Jonifest in France Thanks Lieve for posting. The info you pasted is a little old, all latest is indeed at www.jmdl.com/jonifest Scott & Jody just booked the last room at Fargo this week. So we now have about 25 participants. And luckily for me most of the people I was curious to meet are coming over! We are sort of holding some B&Bs in standby for procrastinators. Laurent EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This email has been virus scanned ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) in the late 70's or very early 80's I saw George Clinton (opening for someone, possibly for Joan Armatrading), and I *think* Sheila E was playing drums. Could that be? Was an awesome sight. Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > *is* Parliament Funkadelic, to the extent that they can be described > with mere words. 'Nuf said.> > > I'm giving her a triple as opposed to a round-tripper because she > failed to mention bassist Bootsy Collins, an integral part of the > band. Give yourself a smack on that funky *ss o' yours, girl. I was > never much of a fan, but I remember my little sis wearing a 45 of > "Flashlight" slam out. I think George & Co. were WAY ahead of their > time. > > Meanwhile I admit that while I could look up that other cat Sydney > Nathan, I have nary a clue as to who he/she is. > > Bob > > NP: CCR, "Ramble Tamble" > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:46 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Rock Star Hi you all. I can't sleep. May I transcribe? It's not just some random Joni-writings, but I don't want to go all synchro on you, here in the wee hours. Suffice it to say I won't be disrespecting Billboard.com anymore. And I need to keep reading my buddhist thought. Like there's no tomorrow, I do. Just got another Joni-content book by mail today. _Rock Stars_, by one Timothy White (1984, Stuart, Tabori & Chang publishers; NY, NY). Joni Mitchell is featured prominently in this endearing and beautiful photograph folio/biographical book. Also features Clapton, Aretha, Jaggar, everybody big... You know. Rock stars. I bought it on a whim, of which I have many. (Does it show?) Moving on... Want to read a brief excerpt about Joni Mitchell by a truly gifted writer? Please check this out. A brief press release on the author, which I just googled, follows the excerpt. Sadly, it bears relevance to this piece. I had no idea. I knew the book was rare. Now I also know it's a "keeper." : _______ Joni Mitchell, by Timothy White The French poet Alphonse De Lamartine has written, "God has placed the genius of women in their hearts because the works of this genius are always the works of love." Yet love, like hate, is a natural exaggerator, seeking outlets but never limits, the unrelenting fire of life that either purifies or consumes. Like the erotica of Anais Nin, the songs of Joni Mitchell express the experiences of physical and spiritual love solely from a purposeful woman's vantage point. Through an often angry admission of her emotional weakness for, and dependence on, the opposite sex, of her foolhardy miscomprehensions and unrewarded acts of faith, and of her ability, however imperfect, to make the process of self-love and the search for romantic fulfillment compatible, she has forged a fresh image of the autonomous female artist. It is not a political representation, tied to trends or movements like Women's Liberation, but a forceful announcement of her own singularity. She began by embodying the archetypal fair-haired hippy-chick singer, ornamenting the male folk-rock enclave, taking lovers (Graham Nash, James Taylor) from among her associates, yet making it plain that they were her peers, that she claimed co-ownership of the experiences, and that she reserved the right to think out loud about them. Mitchell, like the rest of the obstinate rock and roll community, was on the way to satisfying herself, and she made no bones about it. David Crosby- who is credited with discovering her in a club in Coconut Grove, Florida, and who produced her first album, STAS- is said to have commented once that his colleague was "about as humble as Mussolini." Perhaps, but certainly no more arrogant than David Crosby. She has insisted on having her own mind, and she has flourished in a contest where she found she was "outside the uniform of rock and roll, and it annoyed people." ___________________________ June 27, 2002, 5:05 PM ET Billboard Editor In Chief Timothy White Dies Timothy White, Billboard's editor in chief and a giant of music journalism, died suddenly today in New York. He was 50. White apparently suffered a heart attack after returning to the Billboard offices from lunch with a long-time friend. He was unable to be revived after being rushed to St. Vincent's Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. White leaves behind his wife, Judy, and their 10-year-old twin sons, Christopher and Alexander. White's sudden passing left the Billboard offices in a state of shock. His dynamic presence has been the dominant force in Billboard's newsroom since he joined the magazine in January 1991. Known for his probing essays on industry concerns, White tackled controversial issues with passionate resolve. His final column will appear in the July 6 issue of Billboard, available tomorrow. White's journalism career included stints with the AP and Crawdaddy and a long association with Rolling Stone, where he established his reputation as a foremost celebrity interviewer. Along the way, he established lasting friendships with many of the music world's biggest stars. He was the author of numerous books, including "Catch a Fire: The Life of Bob Marley"; "The Nearest Faraway Place: Brian Wilson, The Beach Boys and The Southern California Experience"; "Rock Lives: Profiles & Interviews"; "Music To My Ears: The Billboard Essays--Portraits of Popular Music in the '90s"; and "Long Ago and Far Away: James Taylor, His Life and Music." Funeral arrangements are pending. A more detailed tribute to White will appear on this site tomorrow. ____ Rest in peace, Timothy White. Down here, I'll be reading you. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy playing real good in the dirty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like Sheryl, etc. Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at drawing us in. That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for posting about it. Bob NP: Cracker, "Low" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rock Star (Timothy White's Joni interview) The rest of the piece can be found in the library: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=390 Like Julius says, it's a good'n. Bob NP: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, "In Like The Rose" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:55:22 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover That's why I put "irony" in quotes, Bob. It's not ironic, per se, just like it's not in the Alanis song. But that's neither here nor there. My point is: where's the authenticity? As I recall, Crow was widely panned by her musician friends of the time for allegedly appropriating their collective material for her own solo album. Doesn't quite fill the starving artist bill, does she? Still, that was just alleged. I know that pithy little beach ditty she made a mint on last year didn't exactly have her coming off like Tracy Chapman or someone. It's another case of me not being able to suspend my disbelief, I guess. Sheryl Crow hasn't been harmonizing with Sunset jazz-bums on the boulevard in Los Angeles. She's been riding Lance Armstrong like Seabiscuit for the past year, probably in Cannes or someplace "special." It's all right there in the press release. That's harsh. Sorry. I'm tired. Condi Rice in a few hours in S.F. Must sleep a few winks at least. - -Juliuis - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller To: jrmco1@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy playing real good in the dirty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like Sheryl, etc. Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at drawing us in. That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for posting about it. Bob NP: Cracker, "Low" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:09:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I agree with you that there's no irony in Crow doing the song, but S.C.'s stuff just leaves me cold. The contrast between her and a real musician was clear to me when I saw her at the Jacksonville Vote for Change concert with Bonnie Raitt on the same bill (also Keb Mo' who is good, but also has too many easy listening moments for my taste). Bonnie, to put it bluntly has soul and wit and heart--and Crow is, well, kind of calculating and bloodless in her performance--and in her songwriting as well. (Bonnie also has one of the finest Joni covers in "Midway," though I am no covers expert, like you.) I can't get too excited over a performance of "For Free" (not one of my favorite Joni songs either, I'm afraid) but I can get excited over a Joni Tribute album--if it happens. And who knows, maybe even Crow will be good--the only place she's ever really shone, for me, was on the Gram Parsons tribute, esp. her duet with Emmylou on "Juanita." Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:34 AM To: jrmco1@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy playing real good in the irty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like Sheryl, etc. Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at drawing us in. That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for posting about it. Bob NP: Cracker, "Low" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 05:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover To be sure, Richard - there's no comparing Bonnie & Sheryl. I enjoyed her (Sheryl's) first couple of releases and then she went way-high-gloss pop and lost me - not my cup of tea. Bonnie's had her ups & downs but even at her worst she's soulful and engaging. < (Bonnie also has one of the finest Joni covers in "Midway," though I am no covers expert, like you.)> You don't have to be an expert to recognize that...one of the best of the best, and one of the few to blow Joni's own version out of the water - and in my *expert* opinion, not too many of them do. Bob NP: Robbie Robertson, "Broken Arrow" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:23:33 +0100 From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Quoting jrmco1@aol.com: > That's why I put "irony" in quotes, Bob. It's not ironic, per se, just > like it's not in the Alanis song. But that's neither here nor there. > > My point is: where's the authenticity? As I recall, Crow was widely > panned by her musician friends of the time for allegedly appropriating > their collective material for her own solo album. Doesn't quite fill > the starving artist bill, does she? I'm still not seeing your point about authenticity, Julius. Are you saying that only a poor person can cover this song? Joni may not have been very rich when she wrote it, but she wasn't poor; as Bob has already pointed out, the song lends itself to being sung by anyone, notwithstanding one's personal taste of course. As far as her debut album goes, I don't have it in front of me right now, but my recollection is that nearly all of the songs are credited as co-writes with various members of the eponymous Tuesday Night Music Club, and that she writes very effusively about what great musicians they are and how much she had making the record with them. I wouldn't call that appropriating others' material, especially with the implication that she was taking all the credit. Then again, I don't know what the beef was, exactly, and I'm not sure you do either. It's clear you just don't like Sheryl Crow, which is cool, a good old fashioned matter of opinion. I would take issue with one thing you said about her, though, in your last post: that she wasn't a real musician (that may be paraphrase, but I don't think I'm misrepresenting what you said, at least I hope not). I think this is simply unfair. She is a more than competent multi- instrumentalist, being particularly nifty on the bass, and played probably half the instruments on her second album. For what it's worth, I believe Sheryl's debut is a better record than anything Joni has done since it appeared, and one of the great debuts of the 90s. And although I'd agree with you (up to a point) about her subsequent stuff, which is nothing like as good, and indeed suggests that she works best with collaborators like the TNMC, I can't believe that you could listen to Strong Enough or We Do What We Can and find her singing bloodless. > Sheryl Crow hasn't been harmonizing with Sunset jazz-bums on the > boulevard in Los Angeles. She's been riding Lance Armstrong like > Seabiscuit for the past year, probably in Cannes or someplace > "special." It's all right there in the press release. As you acknowledged, that is a really low blow. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:27:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Bonnie was [ RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover] (now NJC) I've followed Bonnie through her career from the very first lp in 1972. Saw her live many, many times (first time with Little Feat and Butterfield's Better Days Band at Georgetown University in 1973). One memorable show: in 1987 after she lost her WB contract and was touring solo (with a bass player) I saw her at the Warner Theater in DC, she was great, but the surprise was that I discovered the opening act--Steve Earle & the Dukes. I agree she has her ups and downs--some of the schmaltzier moments in the first two "comeback" albums are hard to take, but I'll forgive her just about anything. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:37 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: Joni List Subject: RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover To be sure, Richard - there's no comparing Bonnie & Sheryl. I enjoyed her (Sheryl's) first couple of releases and then she went way-high-gloss pop and lost me - not my cup of tea. Bonnie's had her ups & downs but even at her worst she's soulful and engaging. < (Bonnie also has one of the finest Joni covers in "Midway," though I am no covers expert, like you.)> You don't have to be an expert to recognize that...one of the best of the best, and one of the few to blow Joni's own version out of the water - and in my *expert* opinion, not too many of them do. Bob NP: Robbie Robertson, "Broken Arrow" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:36:30 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Bonnie was [ RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover] (now NJC) > I've followed Bonnie through her career from the very first lp in 1972. Saw > her live many, many times (first time with Little Feat and Butterfield's > Better Days Band at Georgetown University in 1973). One memorable show: > in 1987 after she lost her WB contract and was touring solo (with a bass > player) I saw her at the Warner Theater in DC, she was great, but the > surprise was that I discovered the opening act--Steve Earle & the Dukes. And he opened for her 2 years ago when I saw her in Clearwater. He was a bit much for me, but she just keeps getting better. One of my top five live performers! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross hahahahahhaahha....Yahoo asks this question as the first line on its start page "buzz" section.... my answer: when hell freezes and the universe INVERTS. The chances are greater that I would seek out the turd of an sick dog to munch on, than buy her cookie-cutter, pre-determined, painting by numbers shite-thing called an album. feh.... Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:52 +0100 From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Subject: Oops - apologies, Julius njc It was Richard who made that comment about Sheryl not being a real musician - Oi, Richard, no! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:48:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Oops - apologies, Julius njc Yes, it was I who said it. Sorry, but perhaps I should have said real artist, as I won't dispute that she's a competent player. As for "Tuesday Night Music Club" I bought it when it came out, played it in the car CD player with excellent speakers, and the next day headed to the used CD store where I got at least 5 buck of my money back. I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it! But there's no disputing taste, is there? And I ;ole a whole lot of what you like Azeem based on list discussions. - -----Original Message----- From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com [mailto:atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:33 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: 'Bob Muller'; Joni List Subject: Oops - apologies, Julius njc It was Richard who made that comment about Sheryl not being a real musician - - Oi, Richard, no! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:51:48 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross The sad thing about the contestants and winners on "American Idol" is that they are owned by that show for such a long time. It's all very similar to any other recording contract -- except that it's worse because they must TOUR now -- and there's very little chance than any of the singers connected with the show will be able to release anything braver than the pablum the "industry" insists listeners want. Anyway Em, would you buy a Bo Bice album? He can sing, but he just doesn't "do it" for me. I'm so over the Southern-fried rocker persona. And I got so tired of watching Bo pick up his microphone stand as he sang, I started calling him "Predicta-Bo." Furthermore, he missed a great opportunity by not covering a Bob Seger song. (Any Bob Seger song; it would have just been "so Bo.") Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:09:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross In a message dated 5/27/2005 10:29:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: > The chances are greater that I would seek out the turd of an sick dog > to munch on, than buy her cookie-cutter, pre-determined, painting by > numbers shite-thing called an album. > LOL Em, I feel the same way. I'd rather poke my eardrums out with a rusty nail. I wasn't a big Bo fan, but at least he didn't sing flat! Happy Friday, Jimmy "You'll have to excuse my mother. She suffered a slight stroke a few years ago which rendered her totally annoying."----- Dorothy Zbornak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:19:05 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Oops - apologies, Julius njc And I can't type ;ole=like - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:49 AM To: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Cc: 'Bob Muller'; 'Joni List' Subject: RE: Oops - apologies, Julius njc Yes, it was I who said it. Sorry, but perhaps I should have said real artist, as I won't dispute that she's a competent player. As for "Tuesday Night Music Club" I bought it when it came out, played it in the car CD player with excellent speakers, and the next day headed to the used CD store where I got at least 5 buck of my money back. I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it! But there's no disputing taste, is there? And I ;ole a whole lot of what you like Azeem based on list discussions. - -----Original Message----- From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com [mailto:atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:33 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: 'Bob Muller'; Joni List Subject: Oops - apologies, Julius njc It was Richard who made that comment about Sheryl not being a real musician - - Oi, Richard, no! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross I am less wretchedly gagged by Bo, for some reason. Mike stand, huh?? dang Lori, you musta actually watched this thing! LOL...I didn't watch it, but could hear it in the background while GF was watching. We were both rooting for the baby V chick. I just went in the bedroom and watched Law and Order re-runs. Gotta get my stereo situation sorted out, so I can better listen to music again. This TV stuff is killing me. Let me tell ya what GF said to me JUST as I was drifting to sleep last night: she says "whats that song he (Bo) did that I like so much"! lol!!!!!!! and I knew which oldy hit she was talking about...but then I couldn't go to sleep til I remembered "Vehicle" by "Ides of March"...or heck, maybe thats not right! Something like that. But I was like honey PLEEEEZ don't ask me that kind of stuff just as I'm drifting off, I'll never get to sleep! Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Anyway Em, would you buy a Bo Bice album? > > He can sing, but he just doesn't "do it" for me. I'm so over the > Southern-fried rocker persona. And I got so tired of watching Bo pick > up his > microphone stand as he sang, I started calling him "Predicta-Bo." > > Furthermore, he missed a great opportunity by not covering a Bob > Seger song. > (Any Bob Seger song; it would have just been "so Bo.") > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: the Carrie Underwood thing agaaain... njc sigh.... its not that the little girl herself is in any way repulsive. Not the case! She is vanilla pudding and wonder bread, and as vanilla pudding is not repulsive neither is she. Its the "stuffing it down your throat" nature of this star maker machinery that is so irritating. Was the mainstream THIS obnoxious in, say the late 60's-early 70's? I mean, maybe it was.... anybody know? But, I'd rather listen to the Archies or Josie and the Pussycats anyday. sorry for the rant...I know I'm preaching to the choir....... thanks everybody, for being who you are, and likeing the wide variety of stuff you like. You are good head-feeders, for sure. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:10:09 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Oops - apologies, Julius njc Not to worry, Azeem. I had it coming. And sorry about the Seabiscuit thing. Did I say that? I feel better this morning. I'm going to download "Strong Enough," because I do in fact like that song. Thanks for the friendly reminder. Sorry, Ms. Crow. Joni Mitchell, you're not, and never will be. Nor shall I. But, by all means, let's just do our level best and carry on... - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com To: Richard Flynn Cc: 'Bob Muller' ; Joni List Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:52 +0100 Subject: Oops - apologies, Julius njc It was Richard who made that comment about Sheryl not being a real musician - Oi, Richard, no! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:12:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Sheryl Crow NJC Sheryl Crow's version of "One Less Bell To Answer" in a live tribute to Burt Bacharach called "One Amazing Night" is one of the best tracks in the whole album IMHO. And while the whole "If I Were A Carpenter" tribute album to the Carpenters is a mixed bag, Crow's "Solitaire" proved that she can plumb the depths of the song without once conjuring the timeless voice of Karen Carpenter and still be respectful of the artist she is paying homage to. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Jane Monheit - "Waters of March" And who knows, maybe even Sheryl Crow will be good--the only place she's ever really shone, for me, was on the Gram Parsons tribute, esp. her duet with Emmylou on "Juanita." - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:19:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: Separated at birth? A JMOCD *and* a linguist??!! (njc) Bonjour and Guten Tag, Walt! Hey, I talked to my mom last night and she swears she only gave birth to one baby girl in 1954, but surely we can be connected some other way.....here in Jonispace! Do you mind if I overshare a bit, about my love of Joni and love of language? I think I have always loved languages...in 4th grade my Aunt Pat gave me French lessons for a Christmas gift. We are not sure if it's because I had expressed interest, or if the lessons got me hooked. (Chicken or the egg?) I remember learning that the word for doll in French is "la poupee" and giggling little-girl crazily tee hee hee at that one. POO-PAY!! (Hey, I was 9 years old, gimme a break! lol...) They say as a child I appeared a little bit wild going around putting on accents all the time. I adored Hayley Mills and used to go around imitating her British accent, along with Inger Stevens' (The Farmer's Daughter) Swedish one. I took a little Spanish in junior high, then moved to CT in 8th grade where they put me in French. When I was a sophomore my h.s. began to offer German so I signed up for that too. My friends thought I was crazy: "Why are you taking TWO languages? You only have to take ONE!" I may have been only (speaking) three (languages then), but I was SWINGING! And I loved German, the cadence and the clarity (klip und klar) and since Patti was not a German name, I became Fraulein Heidi Parlette. Yodel-ayyyy-eeeee-ooooh! I majored in French and German here at UConn and studied in France my junior year. Yep, I just walked through those doors and wandered, down the Champs Elysees, going cafe to cabaret and having a ball. And yes, I went to Amsterdam (three times -- Heineken and Gouda and #@%, oh my!!!!) and Rome (saw the clouds of Michelangelo muscular with gods and sungold!). But we had no grand pianos or flowers round our rooms -- one night in Luxembourg we woke up to cockroaches crawling all over the floor! Ewwwww! On our student Eurail passes we settled down into the clickety-clack (but no berths or fold up sinks on a student budget!) dreaming of the pleasure we would encounter in Munich (beer halls!) and Heidelberg and Frankfurt and Nice and Cannes and Honfleur and dancing sur le Pont d'Avignon and Mont St. Michel (with the tide rolling in) and Brussells and Verona looking for Juliet's balcony and Arles looking for Van Gogh's cafe and Florence (David!) and Venice -- all the swingin' hot spots. Amour, mama! And we REALLY tried to get to a Grecian isle, but ran out of time and money. I told you when I met you that the ONLY audio cassette tape my roommate and I had was Miles of Aisles (my boyfriend sent it to me around Christmas). So that was the soundtrack to all of our travels and bed-time conversations. NO WONDER I have JMOCD! Those songs are tattooed on the pillows of my wanderlust! Joni's art Is a song so wild and blue It scrambles time and seasons if it gets thru to you Then your life becomes a travelogue......... People will tell you where they've gone They'll tell you where to go But till you get there yourself you never really know And some have found their paradise: their home, here, on the JMDL. Oh, Auntie Em! So there's my travelogue with Joni. That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! And since we're talking about language, I have to express my strong admiration for the people who post here whose native language is not English. It ain't easy being (a little) green! As much as I love language, I also know it's not easy to learn another. I see our students here struggling daily, and our professors often struggling with their English pronunciation. We all correct each other gently. (One of our grad students calls me the "Professor of Prepositions"....lol!) It is both humbling and unifying, because one sees that we are all human beings, just trying to communicate and connect with one another. Emiliano, Oddmund, Laurent, and all you other dear souls across the oceans BLUE -- I drink a case of you in honor of your linguistic courage. Et Cher Monsieur LittleBreen, do you work in languages/linguistics, or is it just one of your passions? Where did you learn your languages? And in any language, happy Friday everyone! Amour, mamas and papas, Patti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/27/2005 10:29:27 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: > > > The chances are greater that I would seek out the > turd of an sick dog > > to munch on, than buy her cookie-cutter, > pre-determined, painting by > > numbers shite-thing called an album. > > > > LOL Em, I feel the same way. I'd rather poke my > eardrums out with a rusty > nail. > I wasn't a big Bo fan, but at least he didn't sing > flat! > Um, who are you talking about? I've never heard of these people. I didn't think I was THAT out of it. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:39:45 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: mags NJC Anyone heard from mags lately? Her IM is set to away all the time. mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross So Em ... tell me how you REALLY feel! Here's the thing - have you really liked any of these people or thought of them in the same way - you would say - Joni? NO probably not - they aren't looking for good they're looking for pop. It's not "American Artist" by any means. So I would say - Carrie does, although untrained have a good voice - although she cant move at ALL! I knda like Bo, but my two faves were - and remember 2 faves for this kind of arena - were Nadia and Makalia. They were fun and orignal and themselves - at least till the competition got tighter. Then they tried to be everybody's everything. And really thats the key to being a pop star - and btw how did Vonzel make it to the final three? She was flat and loud and I am so tired of that same winding, scaling, same sounding girl singer thing - maybe they should take just one moment and listen to Ella Fitzgerald and get back on the freaking track! Ok and now I done with my rant - and yes now you can ask why did I even bother to watch - and I have no reason - I am a lemming like the rest of the country! Peace, Susan Em wrote: hahahahahhaahha....Yahoo asks this question as the first line on its start page "buzz" section.... my answer: when hell freezes and the universe INVERTS. The chances are greater that I would seek out the turd of an sick dog to munch on, than buy her cookie-cutter, pre-determined, painting by numbers shite-thing called an album. feh.... Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross It WAS Vehicle Em - and I love that old dusty - The Ides of March, btw are from Chicago. Really Em? You liked baby V? Nope although I will say she improved as she went along, but still just a carbon of so many others who really aren't singers or artists in my book. and btw has everyone read my book? :-P Jimmy I loved your rusty nail comment! How ya doin sweetie? Lori you are right that was kind of Bo's signature move - But then he just didnt know what else to do with it! Peace, Susan Em wrote: I am less wretchedly gagged by Bo, for some reason. Mike stand, huh?? dang Lori, you musta actually watched this thing! LOL...I didn't watch it, but could hear it in the background while GF was watching. We were both rooting for the baby V chick. I just went in the bedroom and watched Law and Order re-runs. Gotta get my stereo situation sorted out, so I can better listen to music again. This TV stuff is killing me. Let me tell ya what GF said to me JUST as I was drifting to sleep last night: she says "whats that song he (Bo) did that I like so much"! lol!!!!!!! and I knew which oldy hit she was talking about...but then I couldn't go to sleep til I remembered "Vehicle" by "Ides of March"...or heck, maybe thats not right! Something like that. But I was like honey PLEEEEZ don't ask me that kind of stuff just as I'm drifting off, I'll never get to sleep! Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Anyway Em, would you buy a Bo Bice album? > > He can sing, but he just doesn't "do it" for me. I'm so over the > Southern-fried rocker persona. And I got so tired of watching Bo pick > up his > microphone stand as he sang, I started calling him "Predicta-Bo." > > Furthermore, he missed a great opportunity by not covering a Bob > Seger song. > (Any Bob Seger song; it would have just been "so Bo.") > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:57:44 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: will you buy a Carrie UNderwood album NJC gross In a message dated 5/27/2005 2:35:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: > Really Em? You liked baby V? Hi Susan, like Em I cheered for baby V, mostly because she's from my hometown and went to school with my niece. I think she has a future and can be molded into "a pop singer". I only watched AI because of baby V. .....oh and I'm doing GREAT Susan :) Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #218 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)