From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #216 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 216 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt ["Kakki" ] Re: buddhism (now SJC) ["mike pritchard" ] Re: quid pro quo? stem cell research / appointments, njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt -- njc [Smurf ] Re: quid pro quo? stem cell research / appointments, njc [Smurf ] Calling Bob Murphy NJC ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 [Randy Remote ] RE: Joni mentions -- njc ["c Karma" ] "Martha", Talk to me!! (not) [LittleBreen@comcast.net] Re: Martha -- does *she* like basketball? [LittleBreen@comcast.net] Who do you think you are, Ethel Smurfsdottir? (njc, really) [LittleBreen@] Couldn't resist...(njc) [LittleBreen@comcast.net] Quid pro quo, indeed! [LittleBreen@comcast.net] RE: quid pro quo? stem cell research njc ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: quid pro quo? stem cell research njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: Couldn't resist...(njc) [kate@katebennett.com] Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) [LittleBreen@comcas] Re: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) ["hell" ] New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: njc, circle game kinda stuff, down to joni [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:35:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt > That's a wonderful byte from her talk, Kakki! Thanks so much for the > time and effort. Hey J (I call him *J*, not Ray) it was fun to relive and I'm glad we got some of it recorded (although since she has not approved it for the CC maybe this is a true bootleg - ha). I will muddle through and put some more up soon. > But with regard to my idol, Roberta Joan, does she have a beautiful mind, > or what? The way the imagery flows from even her most casual > recollection. Yes that is what I love the best - when she just lets the imagery flow. > So could you. But I sure wish Joan was still doing fresh music discs, > because to this day, nobody's done it better. Yeah, I just have the feeling she has a lot up her sleeve lyrically that she is not sharing. In other news, I had a unexpected Joni connection tonight that has me over the moon but is not yet for public consumption. Heehee! Quite giddy and silly heehee. > Alright, now break out the photos, Kakk! So's we can see how your tan > lines are doin'. Did you peel? Welcome back to California! Aren't we the > lucky ones! (Not that everyone else isn't as well, in their respective, > equally attractive, alternative states around the globe!) Eh, my scanner is not working but wish I could share some pics of being in the land of Hanalei. And Dean from Kauai - if you are still out there - I'm sorry I didn't get to meet you. It was truly a last minute trip and there was a lot I forgot to do. No peel but some nice color and only 7 mosquito bites that are already fading. A record. And to Smurf - I thought Aloha Keiki meant "Hi Kids" but what do I know being such a haole! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:48:33 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) >>Hi, since I am mostly behind in all the posts, I couldn't quite trace who exactly was looking for recommendations for introduction to Buddhism.<< Hi Claude, that would be me, so thanks to you, and thanks to everyone else who offered advice and recommendations. It has clarified the picture a little. Now to find some time to get to the reading... mike in barcelona np Maria del Mar Bonet - Bir-Demit Yasemen PS Muller, you there? Did MdMB never cover a joni song? I'm surprised. I have heard her sing Jackson Browne songs, and seen her perform with him, and I guess joni is a big influence in her musical background. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:41:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: quid pro quo? stem cell research / appointments, njc > The Dems stop their fillibusters of judicial > appointees on the same week that the Republicans don't kill the stem > cell bill. This is a quid pro quo, a deal, right? Oh Lama, you little devil copying me on this post. ;-) Nah, I've moved into a more "Zen" place now with politics. To me it has all devolved to "sound and fury signifying nothing." As Joni says: Fiction of the declaimers Fiction of the rebukers Fiction of the pro and no nukers Fiction of the gizmo Fiction of the data Fiction of the this is this and that is that - Ahh! Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 03:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) PS Muller, you there? Did MdMB never cover a joni song? > Not that I can tell - I had not heard of her, so I checked out the www for a discography. She's been recording as long as Joni! All the song titles are listed in Spanish, so it's possible that there is one in there depending on how the title is translated, but after scanning them nothing obvious appeared. It makes it much easier for a simpleton like me when they call it. "La Ultima Vez Que Ve Richard"! Bob NP: Faithless, "No Roots" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 04:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt -- njc - --- Kakki wrote: > And to Smurf - I thought Aloha Keiki meant "Hi Kids" > but what do I know > being such a haole! ;-) DOH! Of course. "Keiki" is plural. Well, congratulations on your Hawaiian vacay anyway. And don't keep us waiting too long for the next Joni scoop! - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 04:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: quid pro quo? stem cell research / appointments, njc - --- Kakki wrote: > I've moved into > a more "Zen" place now with politics. To me it has > all devolved to "sound > and fury signifying nothing." Don't forget the first part of that quotation: "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing." I also love the Gore Vidal quotation Mike Friedman closed with recently: "There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to know anything, and the people don't." - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 04:16:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Joni mentions -- njc - --- Azeem wrote: > If it's a boy, we definitely WON'T be calling him > Willie :) If you want to reference a Joni song when you name a boy, how about naming him Richard? Then everone can call him Dickie! - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 05:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Calling Bob Murphy NJC Smurfy!!! Please email me privately... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:43:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > Joni Mitchell > by Chrissie Hynde > > > In fact, we get the impression that she finds fame more than a bit > bothersome and would rather be left alone to go off and paint pictures. Prescient words indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:16:24 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: DVD regions, njc In case de-zoning the player cannot be done, you can also make a copy using DVD Shrink (free download) and then you can make the copy region-free. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:31:03 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: RE: Joni mentions -- njc Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells? Kitty Wells....(singing), "It wasn't God who made Honky Tonk angels..." LOL. Did Myrtle really say that? CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:27:01 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: "Martha", Talk to me!! (not) Hey, Bob, In response to someone's query as to who "Martha" was in "Talk To Me", you said: <> Yes! That's what I assumed at the time (and yes, she would have to have written it on the same road trip as most of Hejira material cuz I, too, remember her singing it at a concert in '76 before Hejira came out) -- she was probably amused at Martha Mitchell's rambling, and thinking of Martha's husband's long (and deserved?) suffering at having married a southern belle with a few marbles loose. Although I always sorta felt bad for Martha, more than a little bit. (I wonder how many people 'sides you and me love this song? It's part of why DJRD is my favorite JM album -- Joni seemed to have had so much fun making the album, and laughing at herself... I loved your version of it at JF 2003, btw.) Interesting how most of the allusions in this song, to Shakespeare, Buddha, will be recognizable indefintely; others (Bergman, Howard Hughes), if not eternal, will make sense for some time to come; and that one, presumably to Martha Mitchell, will cause speculation and puzzlement forever, even if someone ever thinks to ask her, say, in casual conversation (ha! If I ever meet her, I'll be happy if I avoid sputtering and drooling like a cross between an antique car and a six-month-old) or (even less likely) in an interview. In contrast, from the same album, when Joni wrote "Otis and Marlena", she was probably referring to a now mostly forgotten incident in DC in the early '70's when some fundamentalist muslims somewhat more literally stuck up Washington -- my guess is that she wrote it at the time that it happened and got talked out of putting it on an album, perhaps because it was perceived as too politically, um, insensitive (I remember I had friends in college who thought it was antisemitic!!! -- Seriously, has anyone on the list ever met anyone Jewish named Otis?? All I can think of is the drunk from Mayberry), and by the time DJRD came out, she was more in a mood of "F*ck all!! If I can't please anyone, I might as well please myself," and had a ball. And then, of course, 9/11 happened, and O&M led off Travelogue. Joni, timeless as usual. Except for Martha Mitchell references. hugs to all, Walt (too sick lately to sit up and type, much less raise hell on a bus) - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:43:08 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Martha -- does *she* like basketball? Hi gang -- In the discussion surrounding who the Martha in Talk to Me is (and surrounded by talk of basketball, which, if it keeps up much longer, I'm going to have to counter with talk of String Theory, and/or Where Does Vegliot Belong Within the Romance Linguistic Phylum -- in Balkan Romance, Italo-Romance or Rhaeto-Romance?), Patrick said: <> Hi, Patrick -- Hail fellow jmdl de-lurker -- Well, *this* is why I should read all of the digests before spouting off -- Martha Graham certainly does make more sense in context than Martha Mitchell, although like fellow hayseed and cultural boor SCJoniBob (sorry, Bob -- I should speak for myself only), I'll probably always prefer to think of poor Martha Mitchell (and not the one who wrote Gone With the Wind, neither). Laughing at myself (the silliest person I know really well), Walt Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:56:25 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Who do you think you are, Ethel Smurfsdottir? (njc, really) Smurf said (in response to a citation that Icelandic women test better in men in mathematics): <> My question: Would we love JM as much if she was called Roberta Myrtlesdottir? Yes, we would. Walt "Waltson" "Bettysdottir" "Would you *please* shut up, you weirdo?" Breen - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:23:48 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Couldn't resist...(njc) Kate said: <> Thus combining, music, math *and* Zen Buddhism! love to all, Walt-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:10:28 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Quid pro quo, indeed! In respoinse to Jim Lama, Rev. Vince said: <Do I have this right? The Dems stop their fillibusters of judicial >appointees on the same week that the Republicans don't kill the stem >cell bill. This is a quid pro quo, a deal, right? > > No. The Senate is where the filibuster issue took place. The House is where the stem cell vote went through today. The result of the compromise is that the one appointee was confirmed today in the Senate. The House vote indicates that some Republicans are wandering away from the fold. But the actions are independent of each other. Vince>> Hey, Vince, and gang, -- I'm not so sure than anything that happens with politicians/in Washington is "independent" in any sense, but certainly Repubs in Washington *and* out know that the Bushsters' desire to outlaw *all* US stem cell research (if they had their way) does not represent the viewpoint of the majority of US citizens. In any case, Repubs can vote however they want on this, the Head Theocrat has sworn he'll veto it, and getting it past a veto's going to be hard, if not impossible. Anyone who lives in the Western Hemishpere probably heard me screaming and banging my head against the walls when Shrubby's political hacks brought on people who had adopted kids "rescued" from being discarded embryos, who said things like "I'm just so terribly glad god brought us little Jennifer, rather than having her destroyed for medical use by those evil satanists... blahblahblah." AAAAAUUUUGGGHHHHH Gee, thanks, Hubrisio, and I'm glad for you and little Jenny, too, but are you prepared to adopt and raise the other 99.999% of the embryos not slated for this particular use? Oh, you're not? Well, then, perhaps the state could... Oh, not on your taxpayer dime? Well, perhaps your church could...? Oh, as soon as you've put in the new crystal ceiling that that nasty twister took away? Oh, I see... Meanwhile, people like me and Robert and millions of others with chronic or fatal diseases who might be helped or saved by the research going on in, thank thunder, every other wealthy civilized nation in the world, wait and wither and die cuz you and the Head Hubrisiatum find pretty much all science theologically icky? Sorry, gang. Mostly, I try to laugh, but some things just aren't funny. I'll stop here. Otherswise, I'll just make y'all sick, and me sicker. Sigh, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:32 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: quid pro quo? stem cell research njc But irony of ironies, now Sam Brownback of Kansas is threatening to filibuster if the bill is put on the agenda in the Senate. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of vince Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:19 PM To: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: quid pro quo? stem cell research njc Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Do I have this right? The Dems stop their fillibusters of judicial >appointees on the same week that the Republicans don't kill the stem >cell bill. This is a quid pro quo, a deal, right? > > No. The Senate is where the filibuster issue took place. The House is where the stem cell vote went through today. The result of the compromise is that the one appointee was confirmed today in the Senate. The House vote indicates that some Republicans are wandering away from the fold. But the actions are independent of each other. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:20:26 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) <> Hey, Julius, I hesitate posting this to the list, cuz it just displays my ignorance to a larger audience, but could you enlighten me as to who Parliament Funkadelic and Sydney Nathan are? The former sounds like a fake rock group name made up by Dave Barry, and the latter sounds like a Mel Brooks or Neil Simon character. (I know, I know, there are probably legions of Sydney Nathan fans out there, saying "Finally, some appropriate recognition!! -- but who the f*ck is Joni Mitchell?") Thanks, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:25:49 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, holding out a candle to colin It seems like many dim years ago since we've heard from Colin. So, I am holding out a candle and shining it in, looking for Colin. Yoo hoo, Colin??? Are you there? I know you've had health problems in the past and I hope that is not the case now. (I worry sometimes.) Maybe you're just knitting up a storm and playing with your doggies. Recently in one of my Dreamland states I met you and John (is that your partner's name? sorry if that's wrong.). We were walking up a country hill and you both had white suits and straw hats on, and you had a cane. You looked like Colonel Sanders.....lol! You wouldn't talk to me or acknowledge me. (Hmmmm...verrrrrry interrrresting......when is Herr Doktor Wally K. coming back?). But don't worry, no dreams can possess you. Hope you are well, Colin! Love vibes across the ocean BLUE, Patti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:29:09 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) actually bob they're in Catalan but no big deal, at least not on the list. when we're having a cold one in barcelona in august you gotta be more careful bro. I scanned the titles too but nothing obvious struck me either. Maybe Emiliano has info on this? mike in bcn NP Stuck Inside of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again (in Catalan!) by Gerard Quintana and Jordi Batiste. This CD is a Catalan tribute to Dylan, 13 songs in all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Muller To: mike pritchard ; claud9@comcast.net Cc: list Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) PS Muller, you there? Did MdMB never cover a joni song? > Not that I can tell - I had not heard of her, so I checked out the www for a discography. She's been recording as long as Joni! All the song titles are listed in Spanish, so it's possible that there is one in there depending on how the title is translated, but after scanning them nothing obvious appeared. It makes it much easier for a simpleton like me when they call it. "La Ultima Vez Que Ve Richard"! Bob NP: Faithless, "No Roots" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:59:36 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: RE: quid pro quo? stem cell research njc I can't wait for that! Vince - -------------- Original message -------------- > But irony of ironies, now Sam Brownback of Kansas is threatening to > filibuster if the bill is put on the agenda in the Senate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Couldn't resist...(njc) LOL... note to self - do not post in the evening after a twelve hour day of work! > Kate said:> > <> > Walt said: > Thus combining, music, math *and* Zen Buddhism! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:38:32 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) walt asked julius: <> julius, mind if i start this one? parliament funkadelic - two, two, two bands in one! "the parliaments," a 5-member group, began their fairly unsuccessful recording career in the late 50's, and, looking for the thing that would bring them success, added the group "funkadelic" as background singers in the early 60s. george clinton was a member of "funkadelic," and, as things unfolded, really became the leader of and personality behind the whole p-funk extravaganza. through the years (early 60's thru early 90's, at least), p-funk has had numerous high-charting hits, including: "Tear The Roof Off The Sucker" - c. 1975 "Flash Light" - c. 1978 "One Nation Under A Groove" - c. 1978 "(Not Just) Knee Deep" - c. 1979 "Atomic Dog" - c. 1981 their albums from this time frame were all concept albums - silly on the surface, but chock full of some pretty sophisticated political and sociological observations. these guys had fun, too - - costumes and some really elaborate concert sets, including "the mother ship" (from which black aliens emerge to right the world's wrongs via uptempo funk jams). things fell apart - bad drugs, money woes, typical "behind the music" stuff - but george clinton has always managed to pull the band out of the crapper and reinvent it with another cast and crew. by 1990-ish, george clinton was broke, and hooked up with prince and run-dmc and worked with them. i saw him at city stages (a local weekend-long outdoor music festival) in 2004, and he looked and sounded as wonderful as ever, and had us all dancing in the streets. the man has so much energy, and so much love for what he does. unless sydney nathan is somewhere cindy brady dreams of incorporating one day, i'll leave that one for someone else. _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:15:54 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) Hey, Cindy! Thanks for the info on Parliament Funkdadelic -- Of course, I'm sort of familiar with George Clinton -- loved dancing to Atomic Dog in the early '80's, and the obscurely-lyricked, if catchy, theme song to the Tracey Ullman Show! -- but I had no idea how far back he went. Thanks! Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > > walt asked julius: < just displays my ignorance to a larger audience, but could you > enlighten me as to who Parliament Funkadelic and Sydney Nathan > are?>> > > julius, mind if i start this one? > > parliament funkadelic - two, two, two bands in one! > "the parliaments," a 5-member group, began their fairly > unsuccessful recording career in the late 50's, and, looking for > the thing that would bring them success, added the group > "funkadelic" as background singers in the early 60s. george > clinton was a member of "funkadelic," and, as things unfolded, > really became the leader of and personality behind the whole > p-funk extravaganza. > through the years (early 60's thru early 90's, at least), p-funk > has had numerous high-charting hits, including: > "Tear The Roof Off The Sucker" - c. 1975 > "Flash Light" - c. 1978 > "One Nation Under A Groove" - c. 1978 > "(Not Just) Knee Deep" - c. 1979 > "Atomic Dog" - c. 1981 > their albums from this time frame were all concept albums - > silly on the surface, but chock full of some pretty sophisticated > political and sociological observations. these guys had fun, too > - costumes and some really elaborate concert sets, including "the > mother ship" (from which black aliens emerge to right the world's > wrongs via uptempo funk jams). > things fell apart - bad drugs, money woes, typical "behind the > music" stuff - but george clinton has always managed to pull the > band out of the crapper and reinvent it with another cast and > crew. > by 1990-ish, george clinton was broke, and hooked up with prince > and run-dmc and worked with them. > i saw him at city stages (a local weekend-long outdoor music > festival) in 2004, and he looked and sounded as wonderful as > ever, and had us all dancing in the streets. the man has so much > energy, and so much love for what he does. > > unless sydney nathan is somewhere cindy brady dreams of > incorporating one day, i'll leave that one for someone else. > > _______________________________________ > Cindy Vickery > Daniel Corporation > 205-443-4718 direct > 205-443-4615 facsimile > http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:14:54 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! Hi Lieve and Laurent I'm so excited about this event, I can't wait to go... I'm waiting for Ryanair to give those silly offers to Carcassone/Perpignan before I book my tickets and I guess i'll just chance it when I get down there as to how to get to the fest... maybe I'll even hire a car... whoah... Good news is that this week I'VE BEEN FILMING AN AD!!!!Maltesers in the UK are sponsoring the new season of Will and Grace and I am doing the ad campaign that accompanies the series... YAYYY! SO watch will and Grace next Friday, you UK Jonilisters... It'll be me play very gay, very camp, very Jack... If anyone has seem me in anything (Azeem, I think has) this will be Very different to anythign that I've ever done... heheh. I'm trying to sneak in a Joni reference into the script during the improvs... I wonder... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Thanks Lieve for posting. > The info you pasted is a little old, all latest is > indeed at > www.jmdl.com/jonifest > Scott & Jody just booked the last room at Fargo this > week. So we now have > about 25 participants. > And luckily for me most of the people I was curious > to meet are coming over! > > We are sort of holding some B&Bs in standby for > procrastinators. > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:04:35 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) You nailed that one, Cindy. Knocked it clean out of the park. That *is* Parliament Funkadelic, to the extent that they can be described with mere words. 'Nuf said. Oh, but wait. Who's Sydney Nathan? I don't have the foggiest clue. Haven't even looked at that section yet...still drooling over the Joan's. Hell, I don't know who *I* am, but...(setting this one up for you, Patti P. ;-) - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Vickery To: LittleBreen@comcast.net Cc: joni@smoe.org; jrmco1@aol.com Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:38:32 -0500 Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) walt asked julius: <> julius, mind if i start this one? parliament funkadelic - two, two, two bands in one! "the parliaments," a 5-member group, began their fairly unsuccessful recording career in the late 50's, and, looking for the thing that would bring them success, added the group "funkadelic" as background singers in the early 60s. george clinton was a member of "funkadelic," and, as things unfolded, really became the leader of and personality behind the whole p-funk extravaganza. through the years (early 60's thru early 90's, at least), p-funk has had numerous high-charting hits, including: "Tear The Roof Off The Sucker" - c. 1975 "Flash Light" - c. 1978 "One Nation Under A Groove" - c. 1978 "(Not Just) Knee Deep" - c. 1979 "Atomic Dog" - c. 1981 their albums from this time frame were all concept albums - silly on the surface, but chock full of some pretty sophisticated political and sociological observations. these guys had fun, too - - costumes and some really elaborate concert sets, including "the mother ship" (from which black aliens emerge to right the world's wrongs via uptempo funk jams). things fell apart - bad drugs, money woes, typical "behind the music" stuff - but george clinton has always managed to pull the band out of the crapper and reinvent it with another cast and crew. _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:11:03 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) Walt wrote: <<(I know, I know, there are probably legions of Sydney Nathan fans out there, saying "Finally, some appropriate recognition!! -- but who the f*ck is Joni Mitchell?")>> You slay me, Walt. That was very, very, very clever! And I love the subject line, too! You *must* be feeling better. Don't go pushing it. :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:36:03 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 njc jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > Everybody likes to diss ebay, but I've actually acquired some pretty > cool stuff there, Joni-wise. I've gotten some great stuff on ebay. Paypal, on the other hand, is completely f**ked, I've had nothing but time consuming hassle from them from day one. Anyhoo, nice to hear about your find, Julius. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) I'm giving her a triple as opposed to a round-tripper because she failed to mention bassist Bootsy Collins, an integral part of the band. Give yourself a smack on that funky *ss o' yours, girl. I was never much of a fan, but I remember my little sis wearing a 45 of "Flashlight" slam out. I think George & Co. were WAY ahead of their time. Meanwhile I admit that while I could look up that other cat Sydney Nathan, I have nary a clue as to who he/she is. Bob NP: CCR, "Ramble Tamble" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Martha", Talk to me!! (not) Well, after Patrick wrote about Martha Graham I thought that made a helluva lot more sense. Not being immersed in the world of dance I forget about the icons of that art form. All I remembered was that we discussed it way back when dinosaurs roamed the internet. Bob NP: The Cure, "Torture" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:08:37 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) Bob wrote: > Meanwhile I admit that while I could look up that other cat > Sydney Nathan, I have nary a clue as to who he/she is. After a very quick Google search (curiosity got the better of me) I found that Sydney Nathan founded King Records. Read more here: http://www.history-of-rock.com/king_records.htm The last paragraph on that page reads: Many vocal groups recorded for King. The Dominoes, The Royales, The Swallows, The Platters, The 5 Royales, The Charms and others. Among the songs were "Think" and "Dedicated To The One I Love." Another search revealed that he also recorded James Brown and The Ink Spots - all reasons (I guess) why he was inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame. Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) Thanks for that info Hell...I figured he was an industry guy, they typically induct one person each year that's done some instrumental thing and yet remains under the radar. Bob NP: The Cure, "Open" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:27 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) I had written: <> Ahem. Silly me. To clarify: *Hell* that one was a play for *Patti.* But I like where your head is at! You came along and slam dunked it! I still get the assist! Haha! - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: hell To: Bob Muller ; jrmco1@aol.com; cvickery@danielrealty.com; LittleBreen@comcast.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:08:37 +1200 Subject: RE: And now: Sydney Nathan and the PF Five!!!! (njc) Bob wrote: > Meanwhile I admit that while I could look up that other cat > Sydney Nathan, I have nary a clue as to who he/she is. After a very quick Google search (curiosity got the better of me) I found that Sydney Nathan founded King Records. Read more here: http://www.history-of-rock.com/king_records.htm The last paragraph on that page reads: Many vocal groups recorded for King. The Dominoes, The Royales, The Swallows, The Platters, The 5 Royales, The Charms and others. Among the songs were "Think" and "Dedicated To The One I Love." Another search revealed that he also recorded James Brown and The Ink Spots - all reasons (I guess) why he was inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame. Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:56:44 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: now with a little Bruce - njc Wait wait wait. Tom Scholz? More Than a Feeling? Are you clucking us here? Hello In There????? Still havent hear the whole Bruce disk but I am sure Rosalita is stabbing a LamaVoodooDoll right about now with an ice pick from hell! Bon chance! Paz > Not by me. I "count" Springsteen up there with Bob Dylan, John Prine, > Joni, and Tom Scholz. > > Unusually, "Devils and Dust" left me bored. If I ever hear that song > about the hooker it will be too soon. The new one's not for me. > > Jim > > Bob Murphy started out talking about Martha, then switched to Bruuuuce. > He said, >> Ditto the new Bruce Springsteen. Isn't he someone who > > generally gets forgotten when we talk about great > singer/songwriters? There's a lot on his new "Devils > and Dust" that's pretty masterful.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:58:51 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Oh. Good for you, Sheryl! I'll alert the media. Yawn. Where's Alanis Morrisette when you need her? The "irony" of a freakin' near-billionaire doing that song, in this day and age, just chaps my ass, somehow. Maybe I'm just in a pissy mood. Nevermind. Tribute CD? What tribute CD? - -Julius - ------------ From Billboard.com: Edited By Jonathan Cohen. May 26, 2005, 10:55 AM ET Crow Whipping Up Something 'Good' By Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Sheryl Crow's as-yet-untitled new album will arrive Sept. 27 via Interscope, and will be preceded a month before by the single "Good Is Good." According to the artist's official Web site, the new album will include 10 tracks and will be accompanied by a tour that is in the planning stages. Crow exclusively revealed to Billboard in December that she was hoping to release two separate albums in 2005, one that she described as an "artist" record, and the other pegged as a "pop" record. But based on the Sept. 26 release date, it appears unlikely that Crow would release a second set before year's end. The artist admitted her relationship with championship cyclist Lance Armstrong has made an obvious impact on her new material. "I am writing a lot more love songs because I'm really happy in my life, and I'm in a really positive relationship, but there's also so much stuff to write about in the world," she said. "It's a really interesting time to be an artist." While working on her own music, Crow has also recorded tracks for three upcoming tribute albums. Her rendition of "For Free" will appear on a Joni Mitchell tribute, while a cover of "I Need Your Love So Bad" is pegged for a B.B. King collection and "To Love Somebody" is being earmarked for a Bee Gees' covers set. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:54:54 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: njc, circle game kinda stuff, down to joni Hiya Patti We are still rocking out down here in baseball land. Mikey's team lost another one tomight but Julians team won last night and play again tomorrow. Thakns God we are going on vacation for a week to the beach and all we have to think about is eat, or swim or fish or eat or drink or... I will think about Joni and the jmdl and miss both of you, but only in my heart cause my brain will be "gone fishin' Best Paz > READER BEWARE: The following post contains sappy, JMOCD, bi-polar material. > If you can't take it, if you can't seem to believe it, keep > scrolling........scrolling, scrolling, down the RIVER.... ; ) > > > All this talk about hockey and baseball and basketball now, and then > Proud-Headed Papa Pazzie twirls his feather boas (this peacock is NOT afraid > to parade...lol!) and writes: > > ----------- > Paz (Gloating cause Julian has been selected to be in the final 19 players > of the 7 and 8 ALL STARS out of 50 kids.) {in other sports news Mikey's team > got their asses kicked tonight in a practice game} > ------------ > > I love it! GO JULIAN!!! GO MIKEY!!! GO MAMA AND PAPA PAZ!!!! Oh, the > power and the glory of parenthood! Ha! And then just when you get the > taste for worship, they turn into.....teen-agers. Yikes! Talk about both > sides now! (Catherine, I know you know this!) > > All this has me thinking of my own circle game. The years spun by and now > my boys are twenty somethings. See, I was a woman of heart and mind, with > NO time on her hands with two sons to raise. (Ashara, how did you ever > raise FOUR? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Smurf told me you are an angel.) > Anyway, Paz, I know the joy you are feeling in your sons' sports because I > was there myself. Being an ALL STAR rocks!!!! And so does being the PARENT > of an All Star! -- although, like Sly said, "EVERYBODY is a star", which I > firmly believe -- but there is nothing like having your name in the news and > everything's first class, right Papa? You know it! > > Seeing your kids excel, seeing them learn how to lose, seeing them learn how > to fall and then to get right back up again, seeing their dirty > tear-streaked faces after they slide into home plate and the ump yells: > "He's OOOOOUUUUUUTTTTTT!!!" with their team down by one in the bottom of the > 9th (DAMN! There's always somebody calling you down!), seeing them learn the > value of teamwork and develop friendships and hit home runs and score > tie-breaking goals in championship games -- wow, there is a lot of joy and > sorrow and laughing and crying and LIVING every day in all of that. I > remember it well! I was so wrapped up in my boys and their hockey and > baseball lives (cripes, I was PRESIDENT of the damn hockey game > association!) and making my own shining friends (blonde and otherwise) in > the bleachers, that I kind of lost Joni for a while. Not really lost her, > of course, because she is in my blood like you-know-what and her lyrics are > tattoed on my soul, but I didn't really listen to her much as I raced around > those dirty towns to all those damn hockey games (we'd rise up early with > the sun to ride the bus while everyone was yawning -- that is SUCH the life > a hockey mom!!!). > > But to get back down to Joni: I did my best and I did good son-raising > business, but all THAT is why I don't know (true confessions now!) a lot of > her 80s and 90s stuff. But don't worry about me, I'll be fine and get up to > speed with all of her work from those decades. It's a Joni catch-up game > from now on.... and then I can intertextualize all THOSE lyrics into my > thoughts and posts. Just give me a little time in my newly emptied nest, in > my Joni/computer room with the BLUE computer-screen light where I'm > learning, it's peaceful, with two good dogs and some cd's! > > Maybe though, just for ONCE, Joni is wrong when she sings "We can't return, > we can only look, behind from where we came....." We can ALWAYS return to > Joni. I guess that's the thing we all share here. Everything comes and > goes, marked by lovers and styles of clothes, but Joni remains. She's the > centerpiece of our circle game. It's down to Her. It all comes down to > Her! > > Circle-game sappy today, with love to all, > > Patti > > P.S. Help me! I'm captive on the carousel of Joni and I can't get off! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:59:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt Aloha and welcome home I think. I think I might have stayed there if I were you. I want to hear about da music magic in Kauai!!!! Glad you got some well deserved time off. Thanks for the transcription. Love Paz > Aloha Keiki, > > I just returned from a blissful trip to Kauai and some magical moments of > music which I will share later. In the meantime I have transcribed a small > bit of Joni's appearance at the Comonwealth Club from my old digital > recorder. I will transcribe more as I have time. > > **************** > In response to the question "were you always interested in nature and the > environment?" > > "O.K., my mother was a farm girl and she married my father and they climbed > a mountain on their honeymoon. My grandmother kept a scrapbook full of > flowers because bascially they were the first white people to settle there > so they were making botanical observations and some things they were > familiar with from the east. She kept pressed file books and knew the names > of a lot of things, names of birds, names of flowers. > > My parents would take annual holidays and they would drive usually to the > mountains which in those days were pretty dangerous and (the roads) were > like gravel and mud and they had no guardrails and you'd be going all over > the edge of cliffs. But by the same token, they'd have little signs along > the road that said "mountain stream to drink from - two miles." And you > could go over to the side of the road and stick your head in. It was a > beautiful place to walk. And we would climb the mountains and we went at > one point to a place called "Indian Paint Pots" in Jasper or Banff. And > years later in the 80s, I went with my then husband Larry Klein to see it. > But as a child I remember it was a really long climb and I was anticipating > this rainbow of colors when we got there. And when we got there I burst > into tears because all of it was ochre. It was ochre with a > (unintelligible) bright turquoise running river with all these little white > particles of sediment. And it was very disappointing to me as an eight year > old because of the (unintelligible). I kept bags of this rock at home. > > As a child in a small town, the kids where I grew up were pretty brutal and > Jen ___ used to chase the dog on the sidewalk with their father's wood > hatchet. The girls were very conspiratol (sic) and competitive and the boys > lacked a certain amount of imagination and (unintelligible). All > imagination went to brutal wit and you know, the quick repartee. So when it > got too much for me what I would do was ride my bike out to the country and > look for a beautiful place. I started smoking at the age of nine and would > take my tobacco with me. I would sit out in the bush and light up and watch > the birds fly in and out. > > My best memories of childhood are those solitary experiences with tobacco. > (Audience laughter) (Joni laughing) Sorry!" > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:39:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued Here is some more of Joni. I simply could not pick up/hear the moderator's questions and comments but Joni's voice stood out (mostly) very clear so only her commentary is included here: ********** I learned to play guitar in standard tuning but I'm born _______ a week under the "Discoverer" which usually favors scientists so I have this peculiar need to be original and (to go) where no one else has been, which is kind of a scientific proclivity. So all the chords in standard tuning sound happy to me -- whereas most people like the familiarity of it, I create chords that you couldn't get off the guitar and my friend Debbie Green's husband and boyfriend, Eric Anderson, showed me open G tuning which is what the old black blues players played - which is banjo tuning translated to the guitar. And that motivated me to a considerable degree. And then after that I began to just twiddle around to open chords and sometimes I would tune it like a rava (sp?) to the environment. I had kind of beach tunings so the region where you have songbirds, nature plays in regional keys. Like even in Los Angeles we went out and recorded crickets and one day they were singing in one key - all of them, and another day they were singing in another key - all of them. So areas tune themselves in a certain way for whatever reason. So then I began to do that - like tune to areas and then also to tune to chords. Like supposing I had something that had struck in my craw - a particular emotion that was still raw and unfocused but wanting to come out. I would twiddle the guitar knobs around until I found a modality that was emotionally kindred. Some of these chords were then too emotionally complex for white people but black people had no problem with it. I just had my doctorate of music and ____ ____ spoke and one of the things that he said was "is she so black that she thinks 11th and 13th chords are ____ friendly?" Brazilians were able to tolerate or thrill to a greater harmonic power whereas Western mind again seemed to like its tragedy minor and its happiness major and the most complex emotion it could take would be a 7th chord. You know, my daughter was at large, like "where's my girl, where's my girl?" That's a dissonance in my life for many years. "Are they going to drop the bomb, are they going to drop the bomb?" There's another dissonance. I spent my whole life with these complex dissonances and felt that majors and minors were too simplistic to express how it was I felt. So even (with a) happy feeling there would be a tension line of a second, like a little irritating buzz running through a major chord (that) suited me just fine. *********** Kakki NP: Keiki O Ka 'Aina - Robi Kahakalau ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #216 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)