From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Martha Wainwright [Richard Goldman ] Re: Martha Wainwright [Richard Goldman ] Re: mathematics, njc [Smurf ] Re: Joni on CBC's "The National" [Gary Z ] Re: mathematics, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: The Joni Movie [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: The Joni Movie ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: curious to meet, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] FW: this year's Jonifest in France [ReckersL@ebrd.com] curious to meet, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] movie credits, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] tips, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] re: Joni mentions ["c Karma" ] Re: tips, njc ["Brad McMillan" ] RE: Who is Martha? ["anon anon" ] njc, circle game kinda stuff, down to joni ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: movie credits, njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: movie credits, njc [Jerry Notaro ] now with a little Bruce - njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NADA SURF NJC [Lucy Hone ] RE: Dave Van Ronk ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Dave Van Ronk NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Dave Van Ronk NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: Joni mentions ["Azeem" ] Re: now with a little Bruce - njc [Em ] Re: NADA SURF NJC [Bob Muller ] Fwd: Joni [Mike Friedman ] I'm grateful to everyone NJC [jrmco1@aol.com] math njc ["Kate Bennett" ] buddhism njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #213 ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni at Commonwealth excerpt ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:30:53 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:58:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Martha Wainwright njc Wow! Im on the third listen to Marthas debut album, and Im hugely impressed. Such great songs, with lyrics that speak plainly yet elegantly; sweet and sour melodies, with lovely, loose arrangements - and such a terrific singer, capable of covering an enormous emotional gamut. She has some of the folky quality of her mother, with added visceral gumption that comes from somewhere else entirely. Look I managed to get all the way through without a snide reference to her hugely overrated brother... Doh! ;-) Azeem in London NP: Martha Wainwright - TV Show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:37:01 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:58:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Martha Wainwright njc If you missed Martha's recent appearance on Late Show with *David Letterman*, you can catch it on your local CBS station Thursday, May 26, 2005. Rufus's new DVD, out in the UK, called "All I Want" (and now hey, I know that is not an original title) . . . and available, all-region-playable here too, has the funniest 'easter egg' in it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009A21NA/qid=1116920129/sr=8-1/ref =pd_ka_0/202-5292883-9959059 On the Main Menu, if you scroll over to the upper right corner and 'click' on the roccoco icon, there is a "tribute to Kate and Anna Mcgarrigle" by Martha and Rufus, that is absolutely hilarious. "Kate played by Martha Wainwright and Anna played by Rufus Wainwright" it is too funny for words, in the genre of a queer twisted "A Mighty Wind", sort of . . . Wow! Im on the third listen to Marthas debut album, and Im hugely impressed. Such great songs, with lyrics that speak plainly yet elegantly; sweet and sour melodies, with lovely, loose arrangements - and such a terrific singer, capable of covering an enormous emotional gamut. She has some of the folky quality of her mother, with added visceral gumption that comes from somewhere else entirely. Look I managed to get all the way through without a snide reference to her hugely overrated brother... Doh! ;-) Azeem in London NP: Martha Wainwright - TV Show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 04:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: mathematics, njc - --- Laura wrote: > it is > pretty well known among > neuroscientists that women in Iceland are superior > to men in math. > > I have an Icelandic friend, Hildur Hardardottir The Icelandic people always seem more evolved than other Western countries to me, right down to their names. I love the suffix "dottir" that they use for women's surnames. - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:44:25 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Joni on CBC's "The National" Yes, Emiliano, that's it! Thanks for letting me know, I wasn't aware that it had been shown before. It was a really good program, and I loved the story Joni told about dragging the microphone to the cigarette machine. Glad to know the program has been captured somewhere! Best, Gary Emiliano wrote: >Hi, Gary! > >I'd bet it's the same that was already broadcasted earlier this year and >that a kind soul provided us with a link for downloading it: it's the one >almos aimed at the ceremony when he recived the Doctor Honris Causa in >McGill University, isn't it? It's some 22 minutes, indeed, isn't it? > >She tells the story about how she wrote Empty, Try Another just before the >*guitar* segment. There is a very touching moment when a woman (I can't >remember her name, now) gets very very moved telling the story about Kelly >Green... with Kelly and Joni very moved too in the audience, of course > >I've made a VCD from it. I'll send it your way to Detroit... if there's >anybody able to send it to you in your country, that's it. (Richard?) > >Have a Wonderful time! >Emiliano > >NP: Greg Brown: I want my country back > > > >>-----Mensaje original----- >>De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gary Z >>Enviado el: martes, 24 de mayo de 2005 5:43 >>Para: joni@smoe.org >>Asunto: Joni on CBC's "The National" >> >> >>I caught it late, but Joni was on CBC Television's "The National" this >>evening. It appears to have been a half-hour segment on her life and >>music. It did include her receiving a Doctor of Music award, as well >>as a number of old clips from various television shows, and small >>segments with her comments. There was also a clip of her talking to >>some students, and someone brought up a guitar. I believe the fellow >>who brought it up told Joni it was the first guitar she had ever played, >>and he presented it to her to see. She was very surprised, and >>remembered it as well. >> >>I went to the CBC site, but could find nothing on this segment. Maybe >>there is someone else who saw the program and can elaborate, or find out >>more from the website. It appeared to be very current - Joni looked >>great. Had it not been for a friend who knows what a Joni freak I am >>who called to tell me this was on, I would have missed it for sure. I >>scrambled for a videotape, and tossed it in, but it appears not to have >>recorded. Did anyone else catch this program? >> >>Best regards, >> >>Gary >>Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:23 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: mathematics, njc Smurf wrote: The Icelandic people always seem more evolved than other Western countries to me, right down to their names. I love the suffix "dottir" that they use for women's surnames. Hiya Smurf, Yes, they are more evolved in many ways. I think it is way cool they've already had a woman president. However, in some ways they are behind. They don't have the mix we have here of different cultures, and they do not have separation of church and state but instead have a state church, the Lutheran church. Also, there are no Taco Bell's in Iceland. Hildur's daughter's dream is to start the Taco Bell franchise up there. And, Hildur had known few people of African decent before she lived in Arkansas and had a hard time relating. I bought her an album by Anita Baker so she would fall in love with her, and she did. You have to be smart to use the phone book in Iceland . Each person in a family has a different last name like: Hardardottir, Einarson, Oskardottir, Oskarson. They use the female parent's name for the children's last names sometimes too, like Hildurdottir or Hildurson. Love, Laura who was born on an island off the east coast of Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:01 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: The Joni Movie Isn't Murial Hemingway deceased? I thou ght she commited suicide? - --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > Who to play Joni? > As a small child the girl from Peter Pan > From19 thru 35 Gwenth Paltrow. > From then on Rosanna Arquett > or Murial Hemingway. > > Peace > Mingus > ___________________________________________________________ How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: The Joni Movie Margaux Hemingway committed suicide in 1996. Her sister Mariel is very much alive. Jerry Jamie Zubairi said: > Isn't Murial Hemingway deceased? I thou ght she > commited suicide? > > --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > >> Who to play Joni? >> As a small child the girl from Peter Pan >> From19 thru 35 Gwenth Paltrow. >> From then on Rosanna Arquett >> or Murial Hemingway. >> >> Peace >> Mingus >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail > gives you 1GB! > Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:36:19 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: curious to meet, njc So....all lurkers...please...delurk... "I vanttt to be ALONE!" "are you gagged by your ribbons" mystery is cool? >An inquisitive mind not on drugs wrote: > >Who on the list are you most curious to meet (that you have not yet met) >and my answer is: > >The lurkers... you know who you are. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:40 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: FW: this year's Jonifest in France I'm the worst one to send this message, because I haven't posted for so long that hardly anyone will recognise me. But I have been trying to keep up with the digests, albeit always late, and I saw Mike Pritchard's message of about 10 days ago, asking if anyone wanted to share a car hire from Barcelona, and I thought then: I MUST really find time to reply and remind people about the fest! So that's what I'm doing. First of all: thanks very much, Mike, but I'm driving over to the fest from London (with stops and visits on the way in Belgium and France), so unfortunately no Barcelona link for me this time. And then really, this is to say that I think we need A LOT MORE NOISE........................ What's that? Oh, A LOT MORE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOISE about the upcoming JONIFEST on 13-15 August! I am afraid that otherwise, even those who had already decided to go, will just forget about it or think it's been cancelled. So please, if I can do it, everybody else can too! Please can all those people who are going (23 of them, I think) send a message and remind everybody else that they could still decide to join? And those on the fence, please take the decision and join us! It's going to be really good, and it's probably going to be the only one in Europe for several years, so please DO IT! If you're in Europe, then do it because it's nearby, and if you're across one of the big ponds, then do it because going abroad, especially to France, is so COOOOL! For those who have forgotten, or those who are new, or those who are thinking of changing their mind, here are quickly some of the details again: The person organising it all is Laurent Olszer, his e-mail is olszer@xlsecurity.com You should be able to find all details on www.jmdl.com/jonifest , but I haven't even had time to check it myself, so I am just quickly pasting below some details I kept for myself from previous posts from Laurent. - - - - - - the area is the "Corbieres", the state (french departement) is "Aude". One can also check; "cathares" for a historical background, and www.lafargo.fr for the hotel I recommend and directions. The site isn't exactly in Carcassonne, that's just one of the nearest airports along with Perpignan. We've calculated the budget, the cost for the 3 day event amounts to 165 euros ($220-230 or #110). This includes: * Breakfast (including for those of you lodging in B&B's off-site) * All meals, french of course. Probably will have a buffet all day long. * Cook and helpers on duty * All equipment rental for the event (won't bore you with details) ACCOMODATIONS: A) Camping on premises: we can supply 5 tents for 2 people, so 10 campers max. Cost is 30 euros($40) total per person for all 3 nights B) Bungalows on premises: Cost is 45 euros ($60) per person for all 3 nights * lower bungalow has 4 beds * upper bungalow has 1 double bed * mill has 3 beds Naturally, those spaces are on 1st come 1st served basis (Ashara and Jerry Noraro have already reserved) C) B&B's in nearby villages: All daily rates include breakfast, may be possible to pay about 5 euros less without it since we will be providing breakfast on site. 1) Mme Tavart in Davejean (nearest village): 1 room for 3: 40 euros ($53)/room 1 room for 4: 50 euros 2) Mme Le Franc in Villerouge Termenes: 1 room with 1 double + 1 single bed: 39 euros if 2 people, 50 euros if 3. 3) Mme Bizouerne in Le Roc de Golta (near Villerouge Termenes) 1 room with 1 double bed: 43 euros 2 rooms with 2 single beds: 43 euros 1 room with 3 single beds: 64 euros All rooms have sink & shower, toilets on the same floor. 4) M. Houalet in Felines Termenes: no details available D) La Fargo in St Pierre des Champs: a charming hotel with great food and gorgeous surroundings. Rooms are very nice too. Near to where I live when I'm in the area, about 20 minutes drive to Jonifest. 64-71 euros/room + breakfast 6 euros/person. Check their website www.chez.com/lafargo/ , click on the UK flag at the bottom for english. In addition to the hotel info there is plenty of info about the area. Click on "directions" for general travel info. Let me know if you want any of these and I'll make the booking for you. RESERVATIONS: Reservations for the event and for lodging can be made to me. La Fargo hotel reservations can either be made to me or directly (mention Jonifest). I'm not sure what is customary in terms of deposit. Those who can pay the 165 euros event fee now are welcome to do so. For those who would rather pay a deposit, I suppose 100 euros ($135) will do. Overseas bank transfers are expensive, so I'm offering the following options: * USA festers can wire the funds to a U.S. account at Bank of America. The account is under a cousin's name, this way he'll make 1 lump sum transfer to me and you will have no fees. I'm responsible if he runs to Havana with your deposits (LOL). * EURO + rest of the world: wire transfer to me in Euros. Please email me off list for bank account details. - - - - - - - - So far, the above direct quote from Laurent. Friends, it's time to get EXCITED and not let this OPPORTUNITY pass you by! I am sure, for those who have the time to take some more days off, there will be the chance to spend more time together, maybe seeing more of France or Spain etc. I know, money is always an issue, but the fest is very cheap, and if we plan it well, travel can be cheap too - and it will be SO WORTH IT! Waiting to hear from you! Lieve in London. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:52:42 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: curious to meet, njc now I'm inspired. . . Lurker challenge: Dear lurkers, We love you. . . I am putting out a lurker challenge. . . my goal is to have five, just five lurkers to take the time to post to the list. . . even if you have posted before and you have been in the wings. . . I'd really like to hear from you. . . . you can talk about anything. . . . give us a quote., a thought, a feeling, a story. . , "or we could talk about power," or even a word will do. . "any old theme will do." we love you! (ps. if anyone has another name for "lurker" let us know.) Does the word sound so sublime and kinky. . . I'm off from work today and tomorrow. . . Yeah! (I get two personal days a year and I am having some new shiny windows installed on the top floor. . "and the sun pours in like butterscotch adn sticks to all my senses. . ." won't you come see me sometime? you tell I'm in a good mood? with love to all XOXO Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: LCStanley7@aol.com, joni@smoe.org CC: treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: Re: curious to meet, njc Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:36:19 -0400 So....all lurkers...please...delurk... "I vanttt to be ALONE!" "are you gagged by your ribbons" mystery is cool? >An inquisitive mind not on drugs wrote: > >Who on the list are you most curious to meet (that you have not yet met) >and my answer is: > >The lurkers... you know who you are. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:24:48 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: movie credits, njc Something I have been thinking about for a while now. .(and seeings I have the day off and I'm in a lovely mood. . .) is movie opening credits. . I think it is an art form You know, when you first start watching amovie adnsometimes there is music adn there are visuals and the opening credits. . I think THIS, in and of itself is an art form. This could be studied and critiqued separately from the actual movie itself. . Some of them are so creative, the way the words are written, the font, the way the words move, the visual images set with the music .. sometimes the closing credits also have something special coming with it too. . . It is truly an art form in and of itself.. . .. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:34:15 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: tips, njc Bree and I were talking about useful tips. . so do you have a tip?. . . on any subject to share? "any old theme you choose." We have cats and the litter boxes are in the basement. . (they go outside too) and one of our cats likes to swish the litter out of the box. . she is an avid digger. . I didn't really like those litter boxes that have the roofs on them, I don't know why, so I just got two large 12 1/2 inch high plastic containers. . and so far so good. . . the cats jump in and out and after two days. . I see no litter on the floor. so far so good. Got a tip? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:36:15 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni mentions Mingus wrote: "Saturday night Renee Flemming was on Larry King and was talking about her new covers CD and started by saying her all time favorite "Joni Mitchell" that's why she did River." In her recent autobiography (and probably other places), Renee reveals that her older daughter is named Amelia. It seems her appreciation runs quite deep. CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:44:38 -0400 From: "Brad McMillan" Subject: Re: tips, njc Don't tug on Superman's cape. Don't piss into the wind. Don't pull the mask off the old Long Ranger. And don't mess around with Jim. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: tips, njc > Bree and I were talking about useful tips. . > > so do you have a tip?. . . > on any subject to share? > "any old theme you choose." > > > We have cats and the litter boxes are in the basement. . (they go outside > too) > > > and one of our cats likes to swish the litter out of the box. . > she is an avid digger. . > > I didn't really like those litter boxes that have the roofs on them, I don't > know why, > > so I just got two large 12 1/2 inch high plastic containers. . > and so far so good. . . > > the cats jump in and out > and after two days. . I see no litter on the floor. > so far so good. > > > Got a tip? > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:28:44 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Who is Martha? >From: "patrick leader" >i dearly love 'talk to me'. it comes from this odd place of insecurity >(how >often does joni sound insecure!?) it's an articulate yet scattered song, >and speaks to me as clearly as anything on that album. > I've been listening to DJRD a lot recently...I think it's a very underrated album... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:53:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, circle game kinda stuff, down to joni READER BEWARE: The following post contains sappy, JMOCD, bi-polar material. If you can't take it, if you can't seem to believe it, keep scrolling........scrolling, scrolling, down the RIVER.... ; ) All this talk about hockey and baseball and basketball now, and then Proud-Headed Papa Pazzie twirls his feather boas (this peacock is NOT afraid to parade...lol!) and writes: - ----------- Paz (Gloating cause Julian has been selected to be in the final 19 players of the 7 and 8 ALL STARS out of 50 kids.) {in other sports news Mikey's team got their asses kicked tonight in a practice game} - ------------ I love it! GO JULIAN!!! GO MIKEY!!! GO MAMA AND PAPA PAZ!!!! Oh, the power and the glory of parenthood! Ha! And then just when you get the taste for worship, they turn into.....teen-agers. Yikes! Talk about both sides now! (Catherine, I know you know this!) All this has me thinking of my own circle game. The years spun by and now my boys are twenty somethings. See, I was a woman of heart and mind, with NO time on her hands with two sons to raise. (Ashara, how did you ever raise FOUR? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Smurf told me you are an angel.) Anyway, Paz, I know the joy you are feeling in your sons' sports because I was there myself. Being an ALL STAR rocks!!!! And so does being the PARENT of an All Star! -- although, like Sly said, "EVERYBODY is a star", which I firmly believe -- but there is nothing like having your name in the news and everything's first class, right Papa? You know it! Seeing your kids excel, seeing them learn how to lose, seeing them learn how to fall and then to get right back up again, seeing their dirty tear-streaked faces after they slide into home plate and the ump yells: "He's OOOOOUUUUUUTTTTTT!!!" with their team down by one in the bottom of the 9th (DAMN! There's always somebody calling you down!), seeing them learn the value of teamwork and develop friendships and hit home runs and score tie-breaking goals in championship games -- wow, there is a lot of joy and sorrow and laughing and crying and LIVING every day in all of that. I remember it well! I was so wrapped up in my boys and their hockey and baseball lives (cripes, I was PRESIDENT of the damn hockey game association!) and making my own shining friends (blonde and otherwise) in the bleachers, that I kind of lost Joni for a while. Not really lost her, of course, because she is in my blood like you-know-what and her lyrics are tattoed on my soul, but I didn't really listen to her much as I raced around those dirty towns to all those damn hockey games (we'd rise up early with the sun to ride the bus while everyone was yawning -- that is SUCH the life a hockey mom!!!). But to get back down to Joni: I did my best and I did good son-raising business, but all THAT is why I don't know (true confessions now!) a lot of her 80s and 90s stuff. But don't worry about me, I'll be fine and get up to speed with all of her work from those decades. It's a Joni catch-up game from now on.... and then I can intertextualize all THOSE lyrics into my thoughts and posts. Just give me a little time in my newly emptied nest, in my Joni/computer room with the BLUE computer-screen light where I'm learning, it's peaceful, with two good dogs and some cd's! Maybe though, just for ONCE, Joni is wrong when she sings "We can't return, we can only look, behind from where we came....." We can ALWAYS return to Joni. I guess that's the thing we all share here. Everything comes and goes, marked by lovers and styles of clothes, but Joni remains. She's the centerpiece of our circle game. It's down to Her. It all comes down to Her! Circle-game sappy today, with love to all, Patti P.S. Help me! I'm captive on the carousel of Joni and I can't get off! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:46:55 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Talk about Martha JC Gang, I always thought Our Queen was refering to the opera 'Martha' by Flotow.....Could be, why not? I like the Martha Graham idea, though. Love, Russ (now appearing) in San Diego Now I'm a Southern CA Joni-guy....!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:06:12 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: movie credits, njc > You know, when you first start watching amovie adnsometimes there is music > adn there are visuals and the opening credits. . > I think THIS, in and of itself is an art form. > One of the movies showing on the plane back from London was 'The Graduate'. Dustin Hoffman moving through the airport with 'The Sound of Silence' playing is one of my favorite credit sequences. Wasn't 'The Graduate' the first movie to use pop songs throughout the soundtrack? It's certainly one of the best examples. When I got home, I found myself wanting to listen to the cd 'Sounds of Silence'. So I popped it in the car cd player one day not thinking about 'Kathy's Song' - 'I gaze beyond the rain-drenched streets/to England where my heart lies' - or the bonus track on the remastered disk 'Blues Run the Game' - 'catch a boat to England, baby/catch a boat to Spain.' I must have had a sub-conscious urge to pop that particular cd in the player and it just happened to be in the cd wallet at the time. I think I left a piece of my heart behind in England. I regret that I was unable to hook up with any of the JMDLers over there. Thanks to Jamie Zoob for calling and at least making an attempt and apologies to Les Ross and Lucy Hone for my not getting in touch. Our schedule was such that we hardly had time to catch our breath. I did, however, have an incredible experience and I am totally in love with your country. Maybe next time. Mark E. in Seattle (but still thinking a lot about London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:18:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: movie credits, njc >> You know, when you first start watching amovie adnsometimes there is music >> adn there are visuals and the opening credits. . >> I think THIS, in and of itself is an art form. >> > > One of the movies showing on the plane back from London was 'The Graduate'. > Dustin Hoffman moving through the airport with 'The Sound of Silence' > playing is one of my favorite credit sequences. Wasn't 'The Graduate' the > first movie to use pop songs throughout the soundtrack? Absolutely. And still the standard almost 40 years later. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:58:58 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: now with a little Bruce - njc Not by me. I "count" Springsteen up there with Bob Dylan, John Prine, Joni, and Tom Scholz. Unusually, "Devils and Dust" left me bored. If I ever hear that song about the hooker it will be too soon. The new one's not for me. Jim Bob Murphy started out talking about Martha, then switched to Bruuuuce. He said, >Ditto the new Bruce Springsteen. Isn't he someone who generally gets forgotten when we talk about great singer/songwriters? There's a lot on his new "Devils and Dust" that's pretty masterful.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Dave Van Ronk From the review of The Mayor of MacDougal Street: Rarities 1957-1969 in Rolling Stone: "One of the real revelations is Van Ronk's lived in version of Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now, which rescues a great song from the realm of singer-songwriter cliche." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:53:49 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: NADA SURF NJC May I recommend NADA SURF as an incredibly amazing find... Utterly brilliant, as good as SNOW PATROL, sometimes as enigmatic at Damien Rice, and occsionally as rocky as REM can be,,, The song BLONDE on BLONDE (not dylans song, but named after it) will be one I would want played when I those I leave behind me are sitting on a hill top drinking wine at sunset... it goes on the list... OH YEAAH My son has the album so I cant find the name of it but the track listing includes Winter of 77. and "the way you wear your head" and Blonde on Blonde. Just wonderful Anyway that is me for the night........ Byee for now..... Queen LULU.......who was not invited to Saskatoon and is very fed up that that other queen, Lizzie Windsor went in my place! How dare she! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:11:28 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk Is this a new Van Ronk retrospective? I must get it! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Gerald A. Notaro Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:40 PM To: jon i Subject: Dave Van Ronk From the review of The Mayor of MacDougal Street: Rarities 1957-1969 in Rolling Stone: "One of the real revelations is Van Ronk's lived in version of Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now, which rescues a great song from the realm of singer-songwriter cliche." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:21:07 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk NJC Thanks Jerry, both the anthology and the memoir will be on their way to me soon. What a great list this is--& not just for Joni stuff! So much knowledge about music and more! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:11 PM To: 'Gerald A. Notaro'; 'jon i' Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk Is this a new Van Ronk retrospective? I must get it! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Gerald A. Notaro Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:40 PM To: jon i Subject: Dave Van Ronk From the review of The Mayor of MacDougal Street: Rarities 1957-1969 in Rolling Stone: "One of the real revelations is Van Ronk's lived in version of Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now, which rescues a great song from the realm of singer-songwriter cliche." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk NJC I agree. I've said it many times over the years. There is NO list like the JMDL. Jerry Richard Flynn said: > Thanks Jerry, both the anthology and the memoir will be on their way to me > soon. What a great list this is--& not just for Joni stuff! So much > knowledge about music and more! > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of > Richard > Flynn > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:11 PM > To: 'Gerald A. Notaro'; 'jon i' > Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk > > Is this a new Van Ronk retrospective? I must get it! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Gerald > A. Notaro > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:40 PM > To: jon i > Subject: Dave Van Ronk > > From the review of The Mayor of MacDougal Street: Rarities 1957-1969 in > Rolling Stone: > > "One of the real revelations is Van Ronk's lived in version of Joni > Mitchell's Both Sides Now, which rescues a great song from the realm of > singer-songwriter cliche." > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:31:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Joni mentions Mingus wrote: "Saturday night Renee Flemming was on Larry King and was talking about her new covers CD and started by saying her all time favorite "Joni Mitchell" that's why she did River." And cKarma replied: << In her recent autobiography (and probably other places), Renee reveals that her older daughter is named Amelia. It seems her appreciation runs quite deep. >> I guess this is largely njc, but maybe not: Amelia is a name I have long considered as a front-runner in the choosing-a-name-game, should that happy event come to pass. Well, touch wood and all being well, it's now something I'm actively considering - and it is partly because of the beauty of Joni's song and its positive associations with discovering the record (and I use the word advisedly) that was to become my favourite ever. I also think it's a beautiful name in itself. If it's a boy, we definitely WON'T be calling him Willie :) Azeem in London - -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: now with a little Bruce - njc - --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Not by me. I "count" Springsteen up there with Bob Dylan, John > Prine, > Joni, and Tom Scholz. Tom Scholz????? as in "More Than a Feeling"? REALLLLLLY LAMA???????? you effing with our heads, man? I mean diff strokes for diff folks, but, but, but Tom Scholz??? Em < Subject: Re: NADA SURF NJC I've been digging Nada Surf's "Let Go" since it came out 2 years back...a great record to be sure. Totally infectious sublime power-pop. They'll have the follow-up out this fall, so be looking for it - to be produced by Chris Walla of DCFC. They record for Barsuk, which was also the home of Death Cab For Cutie before they signed to Atlantic. Barsuk always does a good job of promoting their artists on the site, and here's "Blonde On Blonde" in its entirety: http://www.barsuk.com/web.cgi?nada&nadamp3s Lucy, I would also recommend The Long Winters, also on Barsuk. More smart pop like Nada Surf. Bob NP: Joni, "Gift Of The Magi" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:44:27 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Fwd: Joni Talk about jealousy!!!! But this is from the friend who introduced me to JM so I guess I have to be thankful. ;-) Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: May 24, 2005 1:41:20 PM PDT > To: mike@pinataperspective.com (Missy Friedman) > Subject: Joni > > > Sit,n in a park in Paris France. Reading the news and it sure > looks bad. They won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream > some of us had. > > I couldn't resist. ============= "There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to know anything, and the people don't." - --Gore Vidal Mike Friedman mike@pinataperspective.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:50:12 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: I'm grateful to everyone NJC I was in need of the insightful writings of Buddhist nun Pema Chodron today, for reasons too painful to share. The woman writes so incredibly well. She amazes me. Soothes my tortured soul like no one one else I've read. I'm fine, Gail's fine, so thankfully no worries there. Anyways, since there's been a Buddhist vibe 'round here of late, and since I am so very thankful for you all, here's some wisdom from an amazing woman: The slogan "Be Grateful to Everyone" is about making peace with the aspects of ourselves that we have rejected. Through doing that, we also make peace with the people we dislike. More to the point, being around people we dislike is often a cataylyst for making friends with ourselves. Thus, "Be grateful to everyone." If we were to make a list of people we don't like- people we find obnoxious, threatening or worthy of contempt-we would find out a lot about those aspects of ourselves that we can't face. If we were to come up with one word about each of the troublemakers in our lives, we would find ourselves with a list of descriptions of our own rejected qualities, which we project on the outside world. The people who repel us unwittingly show us the aspects of ourselves that we find unacceptable, which otherwise we can't see. In traditional teachings on lojong it is put another way: other people trigger the karma we haven't worked out yet. They mirror us and give us the chance to befriend all the ancient stuff that we carry around like a backpack full of granite boulders. "Be grateful to everyone" is a way of saying that we can learn from any situation, especially if we practice this slogan with awareness. The people and situations in our lives can remind to catch neurosis as neurosis, to see when we're in our room under the covers, to see when we've pulled the shades, locked the door, and are determined to stay there. There's a reason that you can learn from anything: you have basic wisdom, basic intelligence, and basic goodness. Therefore, if the environment is supportive and encourages you to be brave and to open your heart and mind, you'll find yourself opening up to the wisdom and compassion that is already inherently there. It's like tapping into your source, tapping into what you already have. It's the willingness to open to open your eyes, your heart, and your mind, to allow situations in your life to become your teacher. With awareness, you are able to find out for yourself what causes misery and what causes happiness. - ------- Damn she's good! I feel better already. Thanks for reading along. Thanks for everything, really. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:58:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: math njc Music is a of math you know ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:02:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: buddhism njc >Also, a good introductory book is "Buddhism Plain and Simple," by Steve Hagen.< Yes! I think that is the one I was trying to recall... reading about buddhism is like dancing about architecture but this book (if it is the one I am thinking of) exudes the essence of the philosophy it is describing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:18:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #213 Yes to Siddhartha & the prophet as good books... don't know if they are Buddhist or not but who cares if they inspire? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:50:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt Aloha Keiki, I just returned from a blissful trip to Kauai and some magical moments of music which I will share later. In the meantime I have transcribed a small bit of Joni's appearance at the Comonwealth Club from my old digital recorder. I will transcribe more as I have time. **************** In response to the question "were you always interested in nature and the environment?" "O.K., my mother was a farm girl and she married my father and they climbed a mountain on their honeymoon. My grandmother kept a scrapbook full of flowers because bascially they were the first white people to settle there so they were making botanical observations and some things they were familiar with from the east. She kept pressed file books and knew the names of a lot of things, names of birds, names of flowers. My parents would take annual holidays and they would drive usually to the mountains which in those days were pretty dangerous and (the roads) were like gravel and mud and they had no guardrails and you'd be going all over the edge of cliffs. But by the same token, they'd have little signs along the road that said "mountain stream to drink from - two miles." And you could go over to the side of the road and stick your head in. It was a beautiful place to walk. And we would climb the mountains and we went at one point to a place called "Indian Paint Pots" in Jasper or Banff. And years later in the 80s, I went with my then husband Larry Klein to see it. But as a child I remember it was a really long climb and I was anticipating this rainbow of colors when we got there. And when we got there I burst into tears because all of it was ochre. It was ochre with a (unintelligible) bright turquoise running river with all these little white particles of sediment. And it was very disappointing to me as an eight year old because of the (unintelligible). I kept bags of this rock at home. As a child in a small town, the kids where I grew up were pretty brutal and Jen ___ used to chase the dog on the sidewalk with their father's wood hatchet. The girls were very conspiratol (sic) and competitive and the boys lacked a certain amount of imagination and (unintelligible). All imagination went to brutal wit and you know, the quick repartee. So when it got too much for me what I would do was ride my bike out to the country and look for a beautiful place. I started smoking at the age of nine and would take my tobacco with me. I would sit out in the bush and light up and watch the birds fly in and out. My best memories of childhood are those solitary experiences with tobacco. (Audience laughter) (Joni laughing) Sorry!" Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #214 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)