From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 213 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc, basketball [Bob Muller ] Martha Wainwright njc ["Azeem" ] Who is Martha? ["anon anon" ] Re: Martha Wainwright - now with a little Bruce - njc [Smurf ] Re: Martha Wainwright - now with a little Bruce - njc [Bob Muller ] Re: njc, basketball [Joseph Palis ] Re: njc, basketball [Bob Muller ] RE: Who is Martha? ["patrick leader" ] Re: buddhist thought, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: buddhist thought, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: least profound Joni verse, njc [Smurf ] Re: buddhism, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni on CBC's "The National" [Gary Z ] Re: buddhism, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: curious to meet, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] The Joni Movie [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: mathematics, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni mentions/Fiction?Score [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: New York magazine interview [Michael Paz ] Re: Starbucks CD and JMDL ideas [Michael Paz ] RE: Joni on CBC's "The National" [Emiliano ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, basketball Of course, it certainly helps that I have a massive amount of apathy for basketball. And even if I didn't I wouldn't jeopardize a friendship over something so trivial. Now, if you're talking about something SERIOUS like Joni covers, different story. Bob NP: Leo Kottke, "Little Martha" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:58:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Martha Wainwright njc Wow! Im on the third listen to Marthas debut album, and Im hugely impressed. Such great songs, with lyrics that speak plainly yet elegantly; sweet and sour melodies, with lovely, loose arrangements - and such a terrific singer, capable of covering an enormous emotional gamut. She has some of the folky quality of her mother, with added visceral gumption that comes from somewhere else entirely. Look I managed to get all the way through without a snide reference to her hugely overrated brother... Doh! ;-) Azeem in London NP: Martha Wainwright - TV Show - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:23:20 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Who is Martha? In the song "Talk to me", Joni sings "We can talk about Martha"... Obviously if the song was written now,it would refer to Martha Stewart,but who was Joni referring to in 1977? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright - now with a little Bruce - njc - --- Azeem wrote: > Wow! Im on the third listen to Marthas debut > album, and Im hugely > impressed. I wrote about not being too impressed after one or two listens a couple of weeks ago and Garret came to the album's defense. After a few more listens, I am liking it very much. I'm glad I was wrong. There was, however, a lot of hype surrounding this album, from the music press and web sites, etc., and even from Martha's "hugely overrated brother." So much hype for so long, in fact, that I was expecting to be knocked out by this album. I wasn't, but I have grown to like it very much. Ditto the new Bruce Springsteen. Isn't he someone who generally gets forgotten when we talk about great singer/songwriters? There's a lot on his new "Devils and Dust" that's pretty masterful. - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Liner Note From Terry Gould's 1969 LP "Several Kinds of Loving": "Joni Mitchell seems to me to be one of the few contemporary song writers able to integrate the descriptive theme of modern city life with the eternal one of love" He covers "Chelsea Morning" on the record - a very interesting version too. Bob NP: Aimee Mann, "Save Me" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright - now with a little Bruce - njc Not by me! I try and talk him up as much as I can. His dilemma may be that he's so enormously popular that he's thought of more as a rock star, a superstar, and doesn't get taken as seriously as he should be as a composer. He's definitely in my top ten, always has been. Bob NP: The Kinks, "Celluloid Heroes" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Who is Martha? I don't think it's ever been definitely solved, but the general consensus (given the time it was written) is that she was referring to Martha Mitchell, the colorful and flamboyant wife of Watergate participant John Mitchell. One Mitchell writing about another! It's probably worth noting that she probably wrote it in 1975 as she played it on tour in early 1976 before she recorded and released it. We can probably rule out Martha Wainwright too. Bob NP: REM, "Electrolite" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 03:53:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: njc, basketball Bob Muller a icrit : Not just Sean (who's exit was NO surprise) and Marvin (who made a big mistake, he's not ready for the next level yet), but the TOP SEVEN scorers left. You're certainly correct in saying that Roy will have a challenging time as he rebounds from a National Championship to a rebuilding year. Hopefully the RAMS Club will be patient and not be demanding a two-peat. Can you shoot a basketball, Joseph? Actually we were suprised that Sean left because he once famously said that he will be the one to make sure that his team members will stay, but what do we know? As for my aptitude in basketball it is akin to speaking Finnish with perfect accent -- nada to zero. I am not hopeful for this coming season's college basketball but who knows? >Well, hopefully you can turn your Geographical study into something involving renumeration. Valerie ended up going back to school and getting a math degree and a Teacher's Certificate so she could get a job - her double major in Econ & Geography didn't open a lot of doors for her. That is some of the criticism we usually get for specializing in areas that may not have viable market potentials employment-wise. Unless I have a thorough knowledge of GIS applications and urban planning methods like most of my co-grad students in our department, I think I am doomed to live in glorious poverty with just the ideas I learned. But hey that doesn't sound as bad as I thought. Joseph in CH np: Cyndi Lauper - "On the Sunny Side of the Street" - At Last - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, basketball A little synchro...you were playing Cyndi Lauper....don't you remember the song on her best-selling debut - "Money Changes Everything"? If they hadn't won the National Championship, Sean would probably have stuck it out and gone for it in '06, but given that they did, and he was already looking to go pro - I saw it as a no-brainer. Speaking of the song, I was actually a fan of MCE in its original release by The Brains from Atlanta - came to find out that the songwriter/bandleader Tom Gray is cousin to one of my buddies here in town that I did a lot of theater with, and who still owes me a favor for saving his life one night. But that's another story. Bob NP: Miles, "Blue In Green" (Joni's right, this fella is very good) PS: Here's my nominee for "Weird headline of the day": http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/38/355838/BBCNEWSWorldLionMutilates42MidgetsinCambodianRing-Fight.htm Yahoo! 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I don't think it's ever been definitely solved, but the general consensus (given the time it was written) is that she was referring to Martha Mitchell, the colorful and flamboyant wife of Watergate participant John Mitchell. One Mitchell writing about another! It's probably worth noting that she probably wrote it in 1975 as she played it on tour in early 1976 before she recorded and released it. We can probably rule out Martha Wainwright too. Bob NP: REM, "Electrolite" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:13:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: buddhist thought, njc - - --- mike asked: > Apropos of nothing in particular, anyone out there > recommend an interesting, > informative introduction to Buddhist thought? Smurf replied: Here it is, Mike: You are wise bodhisattva Smurf. But, could it be here too? . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:18:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: buddhist thought, njc Randy wrote: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones And the Christian version of this would be: Zen flesh, zen bones gonna rise again, zen flesh, zen bones gonna rise again... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:21:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: least profound Joni verse, njc "Love grows where my Rosemary goes." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:39:06 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: buddhism, njc One of my favorite Buddhist sayings is, "if you see the Buddha, kill him." I like what this site says about that: _http://www.ordinarymind.com/koan_killing.html_ (http://www.ordinarymind.com/koan_killing.html) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:42:38 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Joni on CBC's "The National" I caught it late, but Joni was on CBC Television's "The National" this evening. It appears to have been a half-hour segment on her life and music. It did include her receiving a Doctor of Music award, as well as a number of old clips from various television shows, and small segments with her comments. There was also a clip of her talking to some students, and someone brought up a guitar. I believe the fellow who brought it up told Joni it was the first guitar she had ever played, and he presented it to her to see. She was very surprised, and remembered it as well. I went to the CBC site, but could find nothing on this segment. Maybe there is someone else who saw the program and can elaborate, or find out more from the website. It appeared to be very current - Joni looked great. Had it not been for a friend who knows what a Joni freak I am who called to tell me this was on, I would have missed it for sure. I scrambled for a videotape, and tossed it in, but it appears not to have recorded. Did anyone else catch this program? Best regards, Gary Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:43:23 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: buddhism, njc Julius referred to: The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran. Hi Julius, I love this book! Our priest quoted from it at my son's graduation... "your children are not your children...." He has that whole chapter memorized. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:51:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: curious to meet, njc An inquisitive mind not on drugs wrote: Who on the list are you most curious to meet (that you have not yet met) and my answer is: The lurkers... you know who you are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:58:00 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: The Joni Movie Who to play Joni? As a small child the girl from Peter Pan From19 thru 35 Gwenth Paltrow. From then on Rosanna Arquett or Murial Hemingway. Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:20:26 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: mathematics, njc Smurf quoted and inquired: women > often aren't as adept at > math as men. > I said, this isn't true. > Wow, Marianne, when did it change? Hi Smurf, Iceland man... when they included Iceland in their statistics of math skills in men versus women. The guys up there are too busy fishing, and the ladies are way more mathematical. Seriously, it is pretty well known among neuroscientists that women in Iceland are superior to men in math. I have an Icelandic friend, Hildur Hardardottir, who is about the smartest person I know in medicine, very mathematical, a maternal fetal care physician. She showed me how the feminist movement in Iceland is way ahead of ours here in the USA. She very mathematically explained they are toward the feminine side rather than the masculine side in their feminist movement which made a lot of sense to me. Someday I do plan to visit Iceland, my friend Hildur, and bathe in their natural-hot pools outside in the snow. I have dreams about visiting Iceland. Now to calculate when to go. Speaking of going places... I've got the urge for going and am on Wednesday to Florida including Pensacola, Tampa, Orlando, Miami, and St. Augustine. On the way back home, look out Birmingham! Gonna be jammin down in Bama! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:22:35 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Joni mentions/Fiction?Score Three weeks ago I was watching "Around South Florida" on PBS, it dealt with the history of Hurricanes in Florida through history, the show ended with Joni singing "The Circle Game," and was the first credit given at the end. While watching Craig Ferguson two weeks ago Rosie O'Donald was on talking about her rise to fame and the privileges fame brought her and how Joni Mitchell had written a song about that "You star getting the taste for worshiping",(FTR) relating to why she gave up her show after 911. Saturday night Renee Flemming was on Larry King and was talking about her new covers CD and started by saying her all time favorite "Joni Mitchell" that's why she did River. Now in fiction Jimmy Buffet's new Novel "An Island of Sand" Has a Joni story on page 49&50, I wont spoil it for you. Also Happy Birthday to Smurf,Walt, and Jody and whom ever else I missed since I've been out sick, Febuary. till now. Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:39:24 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New York magazine interview Ray Ray Ray You have WAY to much time on your hands child. You are going to get the Colin award for most posts in a single day. And by the way I never said anything about close and slow or Goats. I also did NOT try and choke the bitch. Read this bitch and you know Jimmy Stewart is my daddy! Paz (Gloating cause Julian has been selected to be in the final 19 players of the 7 and 8 ALL STARS out of 50 kids.) {in other sports news Mikey's team got their asses kicked tonight in a practice game} > Haha!!! Gotcha, Paz!!! You're way behind on your Joni-mail, dude. And > I read you like a book! Now, who's your Daddy? Huh? Who? > > -Julius > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz > To: Jenny Goodspeed ; Julius Mills > ; Joni Digest > Sent: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:37:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: New York magazine interview > > Met her several times and even danced with her to Neville Brothers > music > after she had sat in with Jimmy Buffets band at a benefit show. > > Paz > > ----Original Message----- > From: JRMCo1 > To: jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:08:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: New York magazine interview > > Thanks, Jenny. I went ahead and penciled myself in, sweetness. :-) > > Oh, and Michael Paz would be quick to add that he danced with Joni one > yellow-mooned New Orleans night! (Close and slow, but not quite 'goat,' > right Mike?) Except he's too busy remodeling his abode to post and > crow. That's when I strike. Hahaha! > > -Julius > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenny Goodspeed > To: jrmco1@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, 19 May 2005 07:32:16 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: New York magazine interview > > jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > Well, Joan sorely needs to meet Smurf, Paz, Randy, Lama, Bob, Les R., > Jimmy, Joseph, Bob, Richard, Vince....etc., etc., etc... > > Add yourself to that list sweet Julius. And Joan HAS had the pleasure > of > meeting YOU. : ) > > Oh, and Les I. Gotta add Les I. > > Jenny > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > > > > >> jrmco1@aol.com wrote: >> Well, Joan sorely needs to meet Smurf, Paz, Randy, Lama, Bob, Les R., >> Jimmy, Joseph, Bob, Richard, Vince....etc., etc., etc... >> >> Add yourself to that list sweet Julius. And Joan HAS had the > pleasure of >> meeting YOU. : ) >> >> Oh, and Les I. Gotta add Les I. >> >> Jenny >> Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:41:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Starbucks CD and JMDL ideas I wanna play! And BTW I will make you a copy of the discs from the fest if you make a copy for someone else. What ever happened to distribution on this MR. Irvin???? I know they are on the bit torrent thingy but not everyone plays that game. Love Paz > A friend who was visiting last week said she had a present for me. She gave > me the Starbucks Selected Songs of Joni Mitchell. It had been opened and I > presume played. Now did she... > > a) just *have* to listen to it before she gave it to me because she loves Joni > that much. > b) buy it for herself and then decide she didn't care for it and hence > re-gifted. > c) never mind doesn't matter to me, it was cool to get a CD i wasn't going to > buy for myself. : ) > > I enjoyed the record. It was as if someone made a Joni mix tape for me and > each song that came on was a lovely little surprise and I thought, 'Oh I love > that song! Who picked that one?'. Then I'd go and read the little blurb in the > booklet. (ok, i didn't love every song...almost though ). > > It would be cool to do a similar thing with JMDL. JMDL Selected Joni would be > a far more interesting read/listen, don't you think? > > Or another idea...a mix Joni CD swap. Like a book swap, but instead of > swapping books we choose a person to swap our own personal Joni mix CD. > > If there's any interest, I could organize something. Just let me know Joni > peeps if you like the idea(s). Yes it's true, I'm desperate for a > Joni-related project this summer since I am not fest-bound. > > Jenny > Make Yahoo! your home page ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:34:51 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: RE: Joni on CBC's "The National" Hi, Gary! I'd bet it's the same that was already broadcasted earlier this year and that a kind soul provided us with a link for downloading it: it's the one almos aimed at the ceremony when he recived the Doctor Honris Causa in McGill University, isn't it? It's some 22 minutes, indeed, isn't it? She tells the story about how she wrote Empty, Try Another just before the *guitar* segment. There is a very touching moment when a woman (I can't remember her name, now) gets very very moved telling the story about Kelly Green... with Kelly and Joni very moved too in the audience, of course I've made a VCD from it. I'll send it your way to Detroit... if there's anybody able to send it to you in your country, that's it. (Richard?) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Greg Brown: I want my country back > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gary Z > Enviado el: martes, 24 de mayo de 2005 5:43 > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Joni on CBC's "The National" > > > I caught it late, but Joni was on CBC Television's "The National" this > evening. It appears to have been a half-hour segment on her life and > music. It did include her receiving a Doctor of Music award, as well > as a number of old clips from various television shows, and small > segments with her comments. There was also a clip of her talking to > some students, and someone brought up a guitar. I believe the fellow > who brought it up told Joni it was the first guitar she had ever played, > and he presented it to her to see. She was very surprised, and > remembered it as well. > > I went to the CBC site, but could find nothing on this segment. Maybe > there is someone else who saw the program and can elaborate, or find out > more from the website. It appeared to be very current - Joni looked > great. Had it not been for a friend who knows what a Joni freak I am > who called to tell me this was on, I would have missed it for sure. I > scrambled for a videotape, and tossed it in, but it appears not to have > recorded. Did anyone else catch this program? > > Best regards, > > Gary > Detroit ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #213 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)