From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #208 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 21 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 208 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Crash - the Movie [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: centennial gala ["mike pritchard" ] Re: centennial gala -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Where's Steve Nash when you need him? njc [vince ] [none] [Garret ] Chuck D rap at Commonwealth [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: Chuck D rap at Commonwealth [vince ] Re: ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Crash - the Movie ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Tom/Bette sjc [Garret ] Re: Ladies don't be left behind, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Tom/Bette njc [Joseph Palis ] Fw: Independence Revoked - njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: njc, Where's Oddmund? [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: Tom/Bette njc [Bob Muller ] free woman in Paris ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: free woman in Paris NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: movie post NJC The Life Aquatic NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Life Aquatic featuring... njc ["Kate Bennett" ] #147 Joni, tongue in cheek? [Kate ] Re: free woman in Paris [vince ] Re: movie post NJC The Life Aquatic NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: centennial gala >>Wouldn't it have been more appropriate for Elizabeth II to have curtsied? << - - --Smurf, who always places achievement above alledged "royalty" Still can't forgive Pricess Margaret's sister, eh? mike in bcn, who agrees with smurf np pentangle - one more road ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 02:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: centennial gala -- njc - --- Mike wrote: > Still can't forgive Pricess Margaret's sister, eh? > Mike, I believe we've already established that Margaret was a wonderful person who never called the Irish "pigs." Oink and begorrah, - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:03:37 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Where's Steve Nash when you need him? njc jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > Nash is this year's NBA MVP, tis true, but he plays for the Phoenix > Suns now. Played for the Dallas Mavericks last year. Phoenix is > locked in a tight 7 series game with Dallas right now though. Damn, sorry for the misininformation on his current team! > > But none of that really matters, because my San Antonio Spurs are the > team of destiny this year. Can you say "Ginobli"? I can say and will say: Pistons! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:28:26 +0100 From: Garret Subject: [none] There i was thinking "finally, a recent interview with Joni in which she comes across as i imagine her in my head - none of the "oh i'm not into writing anymoer i am a painter" and none of that "awful music business" stuff - cogent, articulate, pointing me towards poetry, music, paintings, filmmakers that i don't know of or don't know well" amd along comes the line "the music business wore me down" and, more frustratingly from my point of view (as a 24 year old who has been completely enamoured with the music of Joni mitchell for going on six years.... every album i discovered was revelatory and barely a week goes by when i don't listen to her music... at the moment i'm very much in a Blue and Turbulent Indigo place... the only album i don't yet have is TTT but i know i will like it and i am leaving it until i really am in need of a new Joni injection) "There was no public recognition for my work ". Not true. People love you. Maybe you never sold 10million copies of a single album, but you have sold plenty, you have become an industry standard comparison point, no one can touch you. Maybe you have received some bad reviews here and there, but you have devoted fans around the world that buy you albums, listen to what you have say, and many of whom appreciate your painting. You are always on those ridiculous "best of" lists that i enjoy so much. Most of all you have put out brilliant albums like Blue, Hejira, DJRD, and TI. What kind of recognition do you want? She says this yet had said , a minute earlier, "A fan once said to me, Girl, you make me see pictures in my head! and I took that as a great compliment. Thats exactly my intention. ". A fan approaching an artist - isn't this public recognition? Didn't our own Julius recently have the most wonderful encounter with SIQUOMB? "The world is full of madmen and shortsighted money-mongers. Mandela, Tutu, the Dalai Lamaother than them, the world is totally lacking in great men" This seems to me like a rather fatalistic statement. I don't think it can be true. My dad is pretty decent. It's also sexist. What about Aung Sun Suu Kyi for example? What about Mary Robinson? What about Joni Mitchell? I know i know the question referred to philosophers and political leaders. Joni's answer was all encompassing. reading back on this i think i sound fairly crabby this morning. I'm not - i actually did enjoy this interview a lot, especially the earlier part:-) It was great to see Joni having a laugh. Thanks for posting the link Kerry. GARRET (now to read the next five digests!!) NP- Tom Waits, Shiver Me Timbers Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Joni article in "New York" De-lurking briefly here....Not sure if this has been discussed, but this short interview with Joni appeared in New York magazine on May 9: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/music/pop/11888/ Hope everyone is well! Kerry - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:27:07 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Chuck D rap at Commonwealth Thank you for directing me to Chuck D's eloquent and informative discussion on the future of the entertainment industry, Vince. I've only scratched the surface at 15:00 minutes into it, but I'm rapt, and clearly, the man tells it like it is. And I very much admire his vernacular. He's saying things like how his own youthful missteps left a "stain on my psyche." Heavy stuff. Great interviewer, too, in Carlos Watson from CNN. One of my favorite observations so far is when he says that a Public Enemy concert in Africa would be like the Grateful Dead concert in the United States. As a decorated veteran of 100's of Dead shows, I love that image! Now this is weird: I'm over there at Commonwealth.org, hearing Chuck D. and perusing the website, when all of a sudden, on the upcoming speaker's page, "JUST ADDED!" pops up in bold red type on my Mac screen... Then, the smiling face of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice fades in just below. Seem's she's speaking in S.F. for the Commonwealth Club at Davies Symphony Hall on May 27th at Noon. I had to spring for a Premium ticket, as she's my old college friend, although our politics are diametrically opposed these days. We won't be kissing, it's safe to say. I'll report, for what it's worth. If I don't get busted. :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:43:21 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Chuck D rap at Commonwealth the ever wonderful Julius wrote: > Thank you for directing me to Chuck D's eloquent and informative > discussion on the future of the entertainment industry, Vince. > > I've only scratched the surface at 15:00 minutes into it, but I'm > rapt, and clearly, the man tells it like it is. Keep going! There were parts in the 2nd half when I actually applauded - - his statements on the role of a US citizen in the world - on Africa - > > Then, the smiling face of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice > fades in just below. scary! > Seem's she's speaking in S.F. for the Commonwealth Club at Davies > Symphony Hall on May 27th at Noon. I had to spring for a Premium > ticket, as she's my old college friend, although our politics are > diametrically opposed these days. We won't be kissing, it's safe to say. > > I'll report, for what it's worth. If I don't get busted. :-) That should be interesting! An old friend - wow. I bet she was a great friend, and would get all frosty when anyone disagreed with her. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Garret, Welcome to Our Lady of Duality. It is a very Joni thing. But we love her for it, as frustrating as it is. How wonderful to hear you are 24. It is a great sign that Joni's music really is classic in the true sense. Glad to know you feel so comfortable in this group. That is another Joni thing. You'll find that to be true if you ever attend the various Joni gatherings. Tom Waits is another favorite artist many listers, especially Old Geezers like Bob Muller and Michael Paz :) Actually, I love that song, and love hearing Bette sing it. That, and Hello In there, my number one song of ALL time. Jerry Garret said: > There i was thinking "finally, a recent interview with Joni in which she > comes > across as i imagine her in my head - none of the "oh i'm not into writing > anymoer i am a painter" and none of that "awful music business" stuff - > cogent, > articulate, pointing me towards poetry, music, paintings, filmmakers that > i > don't know of or don't know well" amd along comes the line "the music > business > wore me down" and, more frustratingly from my point of view (as a 24 year > old > who has been completely enamoured with the music of Joni mitchell for > going on > six years.... every album i discovered was revelatory and barely a week > goes by > when i don't listen to her music... at the moment i'm very much in a Blue > and > Turbulent Indigo place... the only album i don't yet have is TTT but i > know i > will like it and i am leaving it until i really am in need of a new Joni > injection) "There was no public recognition for my work ". > Not true. People love you. Maybe you never sold 10million copies of a > single > album, but you have sold plenty, you have become an industry standard > comparison > point, no one can touch you. Maybe you have received some bad reviews > here and > there, but you have devoted fans around the world that buy you albums, > listen to > what you have say, and many of whom appreciate your painting. You are > always on > those ridiculous "best of" lists that i enjoy so much. Most of all you > have put > out brilliant albums like Blue, Hejira, DJRD, and TI. What kind of > recognition > do you want? > > She says this yet had said , a minute earlier, "A fan once said to me, > Girl, > you make me see pictures in my head! and I took that as a great > compliment. > Thats exactly my intention. ". A fan approaching an artist - isn't this > public > recognition? Didn't our own Julius recently have the most wonderful > encounter > with SIQUOMB? > > "The world is full of madmen and shortsighted money-mongers. Mandela, > Tutu, the > Dalai Lamaother than them, the world is totally lacking in great men" > > This seems to me like a rather fatalistic statement. I don't think it can > be > true. My dad is pretty decent. It's also sexist. What about Aung Sun > Suu Kyi > for example? What about Mary Robinson? What about Joni Mitchell? I know > i > know the question referred to philosophers and political leaders. Joni's > answer > was all encompassing. > > reading back on this i think i sound fairly crabby this morning. I'm not > - i > actually did enjoy this interview a lot, especially the earlier part:-) It > was > great to see Joni having a laugh. > Thanks for posting the link Kerry. > GARRET (now to read the next five digests!!) > > NP- Tom Waits, Shiver Me Timbers > > > > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:44:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kerry > Subject: Joni article in "New York" > > De-lurking briefly here....Not sure if this has been discussed, but this > short > interview with Joni appeared in New York magazine on May 9: > > http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/music/pop/11888/ > > Hope everyone is well! > > Kerry > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Crash - the Movie This is the only recent movie I've heard people I trust talk about in a long time. Now it is on my must see list. Jerry jrmco1@aol.com said: > I don't know what kind of films you like, if any at all. Still, just > one thing I ask of you. Please see "Crash" and let's discuss. It > directly pertains to all of us on this list and mirrors some of the > things we've been discussing here lately, I think. > > Joni collaborator Mark Isham composed the musical score. > > "Crash," it's called. Sandra Bullock, Don Cheadle, Matt Dillon... > It's sort of a post-modern socio-psychological "thriller." I found it > riveting and fucking intense. Don't miss the beginning. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:13:13 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Tom/Bette sjc Hey Jerry, It is through this list that i first came across Tom Waits (well actually, it was through Bette's version of Shiver Me Timbers but i didn't know at the time;-). When i first subscribed to JMDL at the end of 99 i made contact with Jody (hello Jody, how's you doin?) who sent me some live Dylan and filled up with some Tom Waits, including the tom and bette duet from foregin affairs. Well, i was hooooked. But it has only been the last two years that i have really paid attention to Tom Waits and the more i hear the more i admire him. I know there is a lesson that Joni could take from Tom Waits, in terms of his more recent releases (sublime). GARRET NP- Joni, Raised on Robbery Quoting "Gerald A. Notaro" : > Tom Waits is another favorite artist many listers, especially > Old Geezers like Bob Muller and Michael Paz :) Actually, I love that song, > and love hearing Bette sing it. That, and Hello In there, my number one > song of ALL time. > > Jerry > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:26:43 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Ladies don't be left behind, njc Smurf wrote: women behave every bit as destructively, in their own way, as men -- and women don't even have testosterone to blame! Hi Smurf, Maybe women do because it for sure is a hormone women have, and men seem to want women to have more. See below. Love, Laura Testosterone: For Women Too!! Ladies- Don't Be Left Behind! Consultant:_Edward M. Lichten, M.D.,P.C. _ () 29355 Northwestern Hwy. Suite 120, Southfield, Michigan 48034 (248)358-3433 TESTOSTERONE: The Anti-Aging, Muscle Building, Sex Drive and Mental Sharpness Hormone! Testosterone Replacement for Women "Although women authors including Gail Sheehy and Susan Rako, M.D. have described this deficient testosterone state in women, almost no one talks about it and almost no one does anything about it," states Dr. Lichten. "When women are placed on hormonal therapy, whether birth control of estrogen replacement, their testosterone levels drop dramatically." As physicians, we must listen to our women patients, ask them questions about their sexuality and day-to-day ability to function, and replace testosterone whenever appropriate. Background Information: Testosterone is recognized as the hormone of desire: it makes muscles for boys and turns them into sexually functional men. But testosterone is very important to a woman, too. She produces increased amounts of this hormone in her puberty, because testosterone is the precursor to estrogen. Without testosterone, there would be no "woman." A woman's testosterone levels are highest in the early twenties. The decrease in sex drive we see thereafter is often due to oral contraceptives which suppress all sex hormone production (testosterone, estrogens and progesterone). The treatment is relatively simple: add back some testosterone. However, physicians see more effects from testosterone deficiency as a woman approaches and enters menopause. The ovaries produce the majority of testosterone and estrogens. With the cessation of 80% of hormonal production, a peri- menopausal woman suffers from estrogen, progesterone and testosterone deficiency. The replacement of estrogen alone does not correct an absent sex drive, loss of muscle tone and general lack of mental get-up-and-go. Detecting Insufficient Testosterone Levels: The laboratory tests for testosterone are not helpful. Some women with very low levels do not have symptoms, while others do. The laboratory tests measuring total and free testosterone are rarely of assistance. Self-Test [St. Louise ADAM Questionnaire] IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY to recognize testosterone deficiency. Although this questionnaire is designed for men, women can take it too.. ____________________________________ WOMEN who find the following statements true, are candidates for further testing and possible hormone (including testosterone) replacement! 1 and 2 or any 4 answered as 'yes' 1. Decrease in sex drive. Orgasm less strong Lack of energy Decrease in strength or endurance Lost height Decreased 'enjoyment of life' Sad and/or grumpy Deterioration in sports ability Falling asleep after dinner Decreased work performance ____________________________________ Treatment Alternatives: Since in healthy young women, testosterone is secreted all day long with a peak in early morning, the ideal replacement would follow this pattern. There are two common delivery mechanisms for testosterone: oral and parenteral. Parenteral refers to through the skin or injections. While oral tablets may be easy to use, they are not natural, physiologic or healthy. Oral testosterone may dramatically raise the testosterone level, only to have it drop a few hours later. The major drawback to oral testosterone is the "first pass effect." This means that the oral testosterone is absorbed and sent directly to the liver. In the liver, the testosterone effects many enzyme systems and raise the potential for liver dysfunction and even tumors. Most of the oral testosterone is deactivated by liver cells. Oral testosterone raises 'bad' cholesterol and lowers 'good.' It is banned in all modern countries except Canada and the United States. However, much research and development is going on at this time. An old treatment is the testosterone buccal tablet. Available since the 1950's, compounding pharmacists can imbed natural (aqueous) testosterone in a losenge that slowly dissolves in the mouth. The idea is to have the hormones absorbed through the lymphatics (under the tongue) and not swallowed. In ideal circumstances, 50% of the testosterone avoids the first-pass liver (negative) effects. The best delivery system used most often since the 1940's has been intramuscular injections of testosterone. There are five injectable testosterone approved in the United States: 1. Aqueous Testosterone: very short acting (1-2 days) Testosterone Cyprionate: short acting (2-4 days) Testosterone Proprionate: short acting (2-4 days) Testosterone Enthanate: longer acting {7-10 days) Deca-Durabolin: longer acting, muscle pain relief (7-10 days) Physicians usually give 50-100 mcg of testosterone to women by injections monthly. But some women find higher estrogen levels and DHEA 25-50mg do effectively increase sex drive without the need for injections of testosterone. Some compounding pharmacists will make testosterone gel in 3% solutions for women. This works similarly to the patch, but is applied once daily. More rapid absorption occurs over thin skin (labial) while slower absorption occurs over the abdomen. This is aqueous testosterone-- do not use methyl - -testosterone as it has liver toxicity effects. However, we have come to prefer the testosterone pellets. Studies in the United States, Europe and the Far East show that _testosterone pellets_ (http://www.usdoctor.com/pellets.htm) can maintain a stable hormonal level for up to 120 days. Although there is individual variation from manufacturer and by patient, this delivery system has been the easiest for women to accept when long term replacement is indicated. Both estradiol pellets and testosterone pellets are inserted at one time. This is the method most often used in our office. Almost all our menopausal women add estradiol pellets to the testosterone pellet for the balanced feeling of well-being and control of the 'estrogenic' menopausal symptoms. Additional Steps to Be Taken: If women develop an excessive sex drive, a calming effect is found by taking 160 mg of Saw Palmetto with Pygeum twice daily. This herb will block the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which affects sex drive and acne. There are no significiant side-effects to the Saw Palmetto. . A prescription alternative is marketed as Proscar.(R) Risks of Low Testosterone apply only to men: Until recently, few physicians recognized the need for testosterone in women. Testosterone is superior in the treatment of osteoporosis and muscle wasting. Many of our patients report an improvement in clarity of thought (and sex drive) with low dose testosterone replacement. We do not find that the pellets of testosterone and estradiol affect the lipid profile as noted for the oral testosterone product. Conclusion: A new philosophy directs the replacement of testosterone in women. Raising testosterone levels have systemic effects, not only improved sexual performance, but also, decreased stress, stronger muscles and helping a woman to stay focused and keep her get-up-and-go. references: Susan Rako, M.D. [Testosterone] Hormone of Desire. 1996. Gail Sheehy, Ph.D. Men's Passages. 1998 Susan Davis. Testosterone Deficiency in Women. Journal of Reproductive Medicine 2001;46:291-296. James A Simon. Safety of Estrogen/Androgen Regimens. i>Journal of Reproductive Medicine 2001;46:281-290. Maida Taylor. Psychological Consequences of Surgial Menopause. i>Journal of Reproductive Medicine 2001;46:317-324. Morris Notelovitz. Effects of Estrogen/Androgen Therapy on Bone Mineral Density Parameters. i>Journal of Reproductive Medicine 2001;46:325-331. Gloria Bachmann. Physiologic Aspects of Natural and Surgical Menopause. i>Journal of Reproductive Medicine 2001;46:307-315. Anita Clayton. Assessment of female Sexual Dysfunction. Primary Psychiatry 2001; Apr: 8(4):36-39. Swagata Mandel et al. Clinical Evaluation of Female Sexual Dysfunction: New Diagnostic and Treatment Strategies. Primary Psychiatry 2001; Apr: 8(4):40-59. Julia Warnock. Hormonal Aspects of Sexual Functin in Women: Advantages with Hormone Replacement Therapy. Primary Psychiatry 2001; Apr: 8(4):60-64. Lawrence Labbate. Sexual Dysfuction and Antidepressants. Primary Psychiatry 2001; Apr: 8(4):65-68. H. George Nurnberg et al. Sildenafil Treatment of Antidepressant-Associated Sexual Dysfunction: A 12-Case Treatment Replication in a Naturalistic Clinical Setting. Primary Psychiatry 2001; Apr: 8(4):69-78. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:45:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Tom/Bette njc I too like Tom Waits very much and I can't decide whether his ogre voice has something to do with it as I naturally gravitate towards differently-voiced singers. But his lyricism and his articulation of the unsaid are truly marvels of songwriting. I only "discovered" him lately courtesy of Holly Cole's all-Waits album called "Temptation" and Bob M's recommendations when he visited Chapel Hill in 2003. I think Waits' "Alice" is one of the most thematically-lyrical albums in recent memory. The musical accompaniment leans towards Kurt Weill and his voice is like an underground (and I mean both subtearranean and transgressive) version of opera in its ability to truly touch with his emotive singing. I thought "Flower's Grave" is a masterpiece then he breaks my heart with "I"m Still Here" with that recurring piano accent that brings out the loneliness the loneliness... I wonder if Waits will consider recording Weill's "Seven Deadly Sins" or Schoenberg's "Pierrot Lunaire". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Andrea Echeverri's "Quedate" Garret a icrit : Hey Jerry, It is through this list that i first came across Tom Waits (well actually, it was through Bette's version of Shiver Me Timbers but i didn't know at the time;-). When i first subscribed to JMDL at the end of 99 i made contact with Jody (hello Jody, how's you doin?) who sent me some live Dylan and filled up with some Tom Waits, including the tom and bette duet from foregin affairs. Well, i was hooooked. But it has only been the last two years that i have really paid attention to Tom Waits and the more i hear the more i admire him. I know there is a lesson that Joni could take from Tom Waits, in terms of his more recent releases (sublime). GARRET NP- Joni, Raised on Robbery Quoting "Gerald A. Notaro" : > Tom Waits is another favorite artist many listers, especially > Old Geezers like Bob Muller and Michael Paz :) Actually, I love that song, > and love hearing Bette sing it. That, and Hello In there, my number one > song of ALL time. > > Jerry > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:29:09 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Fw: Independence Revoked - njc Speaking of Her Maj and in view my very recent stay in the land of Merry Olde England: > (A Message from John Cleese To the citizens of the United States of > America): > > In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA >>and >> > > thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation >>of >> > > your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty >>Queen >> > > Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, >> > > commonwealths, and territories (excepting Kansas, which she does not >> > > fancy). >> > > >> > > Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for >>America >> > > without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will >>be >> > > disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine >> > > whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British >>Crown >> > > Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate >>effect: >> > > >> > > You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. >>Then >> > > look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be >>amazed >> > > at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U' >>will be >> > > reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you >>will >> > > learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the >> > > suffix ize will be replaced by the suffix ise. Generally, you will >>be >> > > expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up >> > > vocabulary). >> > > >> > > Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises >>such >> > > as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of >> > > communication. There is no such thing as US English. We will let >> > > Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be >> > > adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the >> > > elimination of -ize. You will relearn your original national anthem, >> > > God Save The Queen. >> > > >> > > July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. >> > > >> > > You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, >>lawyers, >> > > or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists >> > > shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should >>only >> > > be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out >> > > without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not >>grown >> > > up enough to handle a gun. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed >>to >> > > own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A >>permit >> > > will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public. >> > > >> > > All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for >>your >> > > own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we >> > > mean. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you >>will >> > > start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, >>you >> > > will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of >> > > conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you >> > > understand the British sense of humour. >> > > >> > > The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been >> > > calling gasoline)-roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it. >> > > >> > > You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French >>fries >> > > are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato >>chips >> > > are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in >>animal >> > > fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar. >> > > >> > > The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually >>beer >> > > at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to >>as >> > > beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be >> > > referred to as Lager. American brands will be referred to as >>Near-Frozen >> > > Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further >>confusion. >> > > >> > > Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as >>good >> > > guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play >> > > English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English >>dialogue in >> > > Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's >>ears >> > > removed with a cheese grater. >> > > >> > > You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of >> > > proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, >>in >> > > time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to >>American >> > > football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty >>seconds >> > > or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). >> > > >> > > Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to >>host an >> > > event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside >>of >> > > America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world >>beyond >> > > your borders, your error is understandable. >> > > >> > > You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad. >> > > >> > > An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's >> > > Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all >> > > monies due (backdated to 1776). >> > > >> > > Thank you for your co-operation. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:34:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: njc, Where's Oddmund? oH LOVE Thank you so much for your confidense and the gift of your extra-time baby. The strange, strange boy, is back, I am here, and I love to be missed by you, princess Parlette. I have been too buisy with my exams these days, but now I am here, Starbright-starbright with a sweet smile that you like allright. Oh darling, you make me smile! I will be back! Oddmund Patti Parlette wrote: Dear Great Joni-men and Joni-women: All this talk about great men on the jmdl got me to wondering: what happened to Oddmund (what a strange, strange boy .....lol!) who came in as bright as neon light a few months ago, asking if anyone here finds themselves quoting Joni all the time? (".......A question about love As I said on the list the other day I have developed this (bad) habit of quoting Joni at all times....) Now where in the city can that boy be? Oddmund dear, you helped me to see that I was not the only one with this affliction, and you set me off into full-blown JMOCD -- which don't seen to cease! Baby come back! I hope you are enjoying some solid love and that you'll pop back in someday. Affection and respect, a little passion -- it's all here! Love, Patti ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tom/Bette njc The first time he sings that line "you haven't looked at me that way in years" I was blown away - he just has a masterful way with a lyric. I have never seen him live but he's getting ready to announce a tour and hopefully I can catch him somewhere. I've been on a bit of a Waits binge this week, listened to a live show from a recent tour earlier and his great "duet" soundtrack with Crystal Gayle "One From the Heart" just yesterday. And his latest "Real Gone" is right up there with his best, contains what I still think is the best "Iraq" song, "The Day After Tomorrow". A snippet: You can't deny The other side Don't want to die Any more than we do What I'm trying to say, Is don't they pray To the same God that we do? Tell me, how does God choose? Whose prayers does he refuse? Who turns the wheel? And who throws the dice On the day after tomorrow? The whole tamale: http://www.lyricscafe.com/w/waits_tom/day_after_tomorrow.html Well, you can bet that whatever his next project is, it'll be challenging and I'll get it the day it comes out. Bob NP: Eastmountainsouth, "Rain Come Down" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:17:03 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: free woman in Paris Just de-lurking for a minute or two to say I've just returned from a trip to Paris. And, yes, I did wander the Champs Elysees. Truly wonderful!!!! It occurred to me that there are many aspects of Joni that should appeal to the French. I'm convinced that if she had written her lyrics in French, instead of English, she'd be a national heroine in France. Her love of fashion (I passed on the Miyake shop), art, and jazz should all make her very popular in France, Paris especially. I wonder how often she travels to Europe... lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:56:44 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: free woman in Paris NJC Details, please! At 06:17 PM 5/21/2005, you wrote: >Just de-lurking for a minute or two to say I've just returned from a trip >to Paris. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 16:23:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: movie post NJC The Life Aquatic NJC >Ah. Bill Murray. Another maligned artist. So let me ask about Lost In Translation. I heard so much bad about it that I waited a long time to see it on DVD. I thought it was by far the best movie I saw in years. Anyone else like that one?< my experience was opposite of yours jerry! I had heard so many raves (perhaps mostly media but some regular folks too) that I had high expectations & was very disappointed... but I probably would have liked it more as a quirky little film had there not been so much media hype ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 16:25:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Circle Game Laura> Would any of you have Circle Game in a format that can be uploaded and sent via email to my dad so he can listen to it... at least just the refrain? I'm going to sing it at my son's graduation tonight, and I want him to sing along with me on the refrain because his voice sounds like the guy part in the song. < how cool laura!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 16:56:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Life Aquatic featuring... njc Jim Covington, KY>> np: my favorite CD for de-stressing. I keep it at work because that's where I need its positive karma. It's a signed copy of Kate's "Over the Moon", available at www.cdbaby.com<< Wow jim, that really makes my year! thanks for the wonderful complement--- it really means the world to me to know the music helps... [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:15:37 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: (from Fred Simon) CJCC presents OLD JARS NEW JAM (njc) Dear friends, comrades, and the vaguely disaffected - Last minute spasm of self-promotion ... Got a new project I hope you'll dig: OLD JARS NEW JAM, an intergenerational jam band with changing personnel. Come for the music, stay for the hang. Your fred, Fred ==================================================================== Chicago Jazz Composers Collective presents: OLD JARS NEW JAM Fred Simon - composer, enabler, synthesizers, and piano Dave Onderdonk - guitars, fancy gizmos Mitch Paliga - acoustic saxophones, microphone Zach Brock, violin, loopstation Patrick Williams - amplified acoustic and electric basses Tom Hipskind - drums, cymbals, and fab gear - ------- Also appearing on the program is guest composer/saxophonist Geof Bradfield and ensemble ==================================================================== Sunday, May 22, 2005, 2-4 PM (Fred at 2 PM, Geof at 3 PM) at the Green Mill, 4802 N. Broadway, Chicago, IL, (773) 878-5552 Parking is available in the lot 1 block west on Lawrence. Minors are welcome but must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. ==================================================================== *** ABSOLUTELY WE WILL SPREAD OUR GROOVE AND INTERNATIONAL FEELING *** ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 02:55:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Life-Joni-Love, all the usual stuff Hi everyone. Its good to be back and ACTIVE on the list. I havent read last weeks Joni mails, my heads been too buisy with exams,moving and all those trivialities, but now I am back to concentrate on the deeper level, lets call it life, (Well as close as it gets:)) My life with Joni. To have access to this mailing list have inspired me to listen even more of Jonis music than before. This spring I have listened to "For the roses", "Court and spark" and "Hissing og summer lawns", and I must say, they are all such warm arrangments. . . I still have not heard the new version of Paparika plains, or the old or at all Don Juans reckless daughter. Even though I most positve will love it. My time with DJRD will come, mind you. The prarie girl would fill in some of my black holes stil existing in my inner-Joni-musiology-uneversity degree, I believe Patti's already signed up for the doctors degree there,havent you, I am somehwhere between basic and master, in the middle, travelling. (and probably going insane!) Sweet darling it's a rich exchange Seem to me And Marianne, i tried to mail it but i t failed my profound(est) Joni verse, I guess would be, "Heart and humor and humility" He said "Will lighten up your heavy load" I left him for the refuge of the roads. . . My heavy load, or maybe my heavy code, You see Patti, our future (or present) soulmates must be given a Joni Mitchell dictionary, already available I see on the jmdl, to understand our inner deep emotions and to give us that warm lovin' you were talkin' about. I don't know what to start with, finding the man or develop the dictionary, any suggestions? God must be a boogie man! Have lovely day/night/whatever. Greetings and Love Oddmund. in the north of Norway, where the sun never sets and instead of sleeping I am using my friend's computer to email you lot! well all for now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:18:04 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Lady Mondegreen and llamas What's yours? I used to sing "there'll be puka shells to bring to school tomorrow" instead of "crocuses." Oh, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now... - -Julius The Last Word on Song Lyrics http://www.bangkokpost.com/en/Outlook/22May2005_out62.php It's not very often that Crutch receives a "special request" but there have been a number concerning the topic of aural malapropism, which initially appeared in PostScript seven years ago. This is not some weird medical condition, but the art of getting the lyrics of a song wrong, otherwise known as a "mondegreen'". For those who are unfamiliar how the term "mondegreen'' surfaced, a brief explanation is required. The word was originally coined by a lady who was fond of an old Scottish ballad The Bonnie Earl of Murray. To her ears, one verse went like this: "Ye highlands and ye lowlands, Oh where have you been, Thou have slain the Earl of Murray, And Lady Mondegreen." It was only after years of feeling deep sorrow about the fate of Lady Mondegreen that she discovered the last line was actually "and laid him on the green.'' It's probably true to say most of us can't remember more than a few lines of a song and even then we get the words wrong. As a kid for years I wondered why Dusty Springfield sang "You don't have to say you love me, just because I'm mad.'" It didn't seem very romantic at all. It was only a few years later that the puzzle was answered when I came across the lyrics which read "just be close at hand". For years a friend thought a Billy Joel number went: "you made the rice, I made the gravy'" which is perhaps more entertaining than the original "you may be right, I may be crazy''. Another thought the Pink Floyd lyrics for The Wall went: "the dogs suck acid in the classroom,'" which admittedly sounds a bit Pink Floyd-ish. Alas the lyrics were actually: "No dark sarcasm in the classroom.'" Some mondegreens have already become kind of folk law. Many thought the Jimi Hendrix song Purple Haze featured the line: "`Scuze me while I kiss this guy'" when Hendrix was actually kissing "the sky". It's even the title of a book. Apparently it all began with the refrain of Bob Dylan's Blowin' in the Wind which we all know goes: "The ants are my friend ...'' Sweet lettuce and peanuts When this column first discussed mondegreens in 1998, readers came up with a fine assortment of their own aural malapropisms. It seemed nearly everyone had their own special cocked-up version of popular song lyrics. One reader, who must be nearly as old as Crutch, recalled he thought the lyrics to the Kinks classic You Really Got Me went `"You got me so I can't see Batman,'" rather than "can't sleep at night''. A Beatles fan said for years she thought that in Hey Jude, Paul McCartney was singing "remember sweet lettuce under your skin,'" rather than "remember to let her under your skin'". Another thought a line in the Four Seasons song Hang On went: "Got a lot of lovely peanuts,'' as opposed to the original "got a lot of love between us'". Former colleague Denis Segaller tells me his Thai wife, who loves the song Your Cheatin' Heart insists on singing "you walk the fool'" instead of "walk the floor'". Elton John songs seemed to have caused considerable confusion over the years. Someone thought that in Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Elton was singing: "You can't help meeting your pen pal,'' rather than "you can't plant me in your penthouse'', while another reader had Elton singing: "Rocket man, burning all the trees off every lawn,'' when in fact the rocket man was "burning up his face up here alone''. And someone who definitely needed her ears examined was the lady who thought Joni Mitchell's classic Big Yellow Taxi features: "a gay pair of guys put up a parking lot,'" and not the original "they paved paradise and put up a parking lot." Cheese and bagels Some mondegreens which readers sent in were a considerable improvement on the original lyrics. I bet the Eurythmics wished they had written "Sweet dreams are made of cheese,'" rather than "this'', while Madonna's La Isla Bonita would have sounded better with "Last night I dreamed of some bagels,'' which is a bit more creative than "San Pedro''. David Bowie would probably be interested to learn that some fans thought the lyrics to Space Oddity went: "Clown control to Mao Tse-tung,'' rather than "Ground control to Major Tom,'' while someone thought in Beast of Burden the Rolling Stones sang: "I'll never be your pizza burger.'' Top marks, however, went to the reader who thought the Deep Purple classic: "Smoke on the water, fire in the sky,'' was actually "Slow walking Walter, the fire engine guy.'' But perhaps the most inspired rogue lyrics received was prompted by the Police song with the thought-provoking title, De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da. The original lyrics are typical Sting: "When their eloquence escapes me, their logic ties me up and rapes me.'' That of course doesn't make any sense at all. No wonder one listener came up with a far more sensible version: "When my elephant escapes me, a llama ties me up and rapes me.'' Try it next time you hear the song. There are millions more, of course. If nothing else, this might have got you humming a few songs over breakfast, or God forbid, even a few dodgy lyrics. Maybe some readers have got their own personal offerings? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:34:43 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc testing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:08:55 -0700 From: Kate Subject: #147 Joni, tongue in cheek? > The less cynical interpretation, as may have already been mentioned, is that, > while there is a marked shortage of great men nowadays, there is no similar > shortage of great women. ;-) > > Take care, all! > > Mary. Ha! I would be tickled if Joni was thinking that when she spoke You're right, Joni does come across as admiring the talents of many men but women? as many? then again, it's just as you say -- more men than women have been "doing" things in the arts and public eye -- they have that "room of their own" thing going for them -- or have had, longer -- Kate du nord etc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 22:45:26 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: free woman in Paris Anne Sandstrom wrote: >I'm convinced that if she had written her lyrics in French, instead of English, she'd be a national heroine in France. > > I never thought about that. I think you are totally right. Now why would you lurk instead of post daily to brighten up my existence? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 22:53:50 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: movie post NJC The Life Aquatic NJC Bob, There are some women in underwear in "The Life Aquatic". Not enough to suit me, but still... Too bad "Star Wars: Episode 3" didn't have Natalie Portman in her underwear. I guess it was okay anyway, despite the lack of "nekked womens" :) Em, since I read your post just after I read Bob's, at first I though you wrote, "nookie" instead of "noogie". What a difference one letter makes. (Patti, do you have a french expression for that?) Relishing this chance to be a coarse 13 year old., if only for a moment, Jim, PS, Yesterday I was writing about "them" high minded French movies and today I'm talking a bunch of "smack" about topless actresses. Muller, you're a bad influence. The usual apologies will follow I'm sure. C'est la vie. (sp!) Em wrote: >I'm replying to everyone who participated in this thread: >I'd like to sit you down on a long pine log and give you all (on behalf >of Bill Murray) repetitive serial "noogies". > > - --- Bob Muller wrote: >>I thought "Lost In Translation" was outstanding - I really like films >>that: >> >>a) open with a close-up of Scarlett Johannsen in her underwear >>b) see "a". >>Bob, who really had no effin' clue as to who that Nash fella was... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #208 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)