From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #203 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 18 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 203 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- ***Smurf!!!*** njc [Catherine McKay ] choose your seat, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: choose your seat, njc ["ron" ] RE: ***Smurf!!!*** njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni article in "New York" [Kerry ] Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc [Catherine McKay ] Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath - njc [M C ] HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) ["Donna Binkley" ] About Smurf's Birthday! njc ["Scott and Jody" ] choose your seat, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: THE JONI PROJECT: AN EVENING OF JONI MITCHELL MUSIC COMES TO ALTA DENA CONCERT VENUE [Michael Paz ] Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Paprika Plains - the remix (long) [Michael Paz Subject: ***Smurf!!!*** njc What is all this ballyhoo? Raise a glass of something blue! Now it's time to honour Smurf! It's the anniversary of his burf! *******Happy birthday, Bob Murphy!*********** Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:33:45 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: choose your seat, njc Where do you choose your seat when you go to a concert if you are the first one there? Third row, center. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:33:35 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: choose your seat, njc hi >>>>marianne wrote >>>>> Where do you choose your seat when you go to a concert if you are the >>>>> first one there? regardless of whether its seating or standing, i generally go for near the front, to the left hand side of the stage, so im looking slightly to my right. ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:35:29 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: ***Smurf!!!*** njc Yeah happy birthday to Smurfm the jonilista with the most warped sense of humor--which we appreciate! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:05 AM To: Jonilist; Bob Murphy Subject: ***Smurf!!!*** njc What is all this ballyhoo? Raise a glass of something blue! Now it's time to honour Smurf! It's the anniversary of his burf! *******Happy birthday, Bob Murphy!*********** Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Joni article in "New York" De-lurking briefly here....Not sure if this has been discussed, but this short interview with Joni appeared in New York magazine on May 9: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/music/pop/11888/ Hope everyone is well! Kerry - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:48:38 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc In a message dated 5/17/2005 7:18:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Happy birthday, Bob Murphy Happy birthday buddy! I hope you have a great day. Does this mean your Catherine's age again? :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > Happy birthday, Bob Murphy > > Happy birthday buddy! I hope you have a great day. > Does this mean your Catherine's age again? :) > > Jimmy > Yeah, he finally caught up with me. But I can outrun him any time! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath - njc Hi from mc in lurkdom, Music for your consideration. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00015YW4Y/qid=1116341467/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-5412826-7795366 mc Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:11:32 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) Bob Murphy, here is to you on your day of days. I hope that this is the year that every wish from every candle darkened comes true. Take good care, Suze - -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:55:59 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc Look what just a little raffia off a b-day present will do. You look gorgeous Smurf! Happy Birrrrrthday Bob!!!! jody & scott - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Jonilist" ; "Bob Murphy" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: ***Smurf!!!*** njc > What is all this ballyhoo? > Raise a glass of something blue! > Now it's time to honour Smurf! > It's the anniversary of his burf! > > *******Happy birthday, Bob Murphy!*********** > > > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN0331.JPG] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:57:50 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) Tharrrrrrrrr She Blows!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suze Cameron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) > Bob Murphy, here is to you on your day of days. I hope that this is the > year that every wish from every candle darkened comes true. > > Take good care, > > Suze > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites > at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN0334.JPG] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:41:01 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: HaPpY BiRtHdAy!!! (njc) Dear Smurph, Hope you have a wonderful day! Love & miss ya, Tushie >>> "Suze Cameron" 05/17 10:11 AM >>> Bob Murphy, here is to you on your day of days. I hope that this is the year that every wish from every candle darkened comes true. Take good care, Suze - -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:39:58 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: About Smurf's Birthday! njc Hi Everyone! I made the mistake of sending Smurf's B-day greetings along with incriminating photos as an attachment, rather than a link to a website. I think I can send them to the NE jonifest list. That's a thought!! At any rate, I hope you are having a great day Bob! as a side note: Scott is now in Houston installing a microscope that is going to be used by Nassau for studying **Stardust** -" Come from billion-year-old carbon - We are golden - We just got caught up in some devil's bargain." We were all at dinner when Scott mentioned it. Out of seven at the table, Smurf and I just broke into song naturally... See ya, jody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:14:14 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: choose your seat, njc I have always figured you for the left side. :) If cameras are allowed, for me it's on a side aisle, as close as possible. That way I can get out to the aisle without interrrupting anyone. If the rule is "no cameras", make mine 10th row, center. Where I won't sit: squarely in the middle of the hall. The bass resonates at just one note, all night (usually). Sincerely, Jim Mariane said in part, >How do you generally choose your seat? >ps. I prefer the left side ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:56:32 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: THE JONI PROJECT: AN EVENING OF JONI MITCHELL MUSIC COMES TO ALTA DENA CONCERT VENUE Hi Kakki I am so glad to see you on the list again. Have you confirmed your summer plans yet?? Give my best to Chuck and the gang when you see them. I wish I could go to this with you. Maybe my Uncle Ray will send me a ticket! LOL! Love Paz > Hey SoCal and visiting Cal JMDL'ers - I heard about this group from my > buddy Chuck Alvarez (plays with Lisa Haley and the Zydecats who famously > jammed at my place during NAMM with Paz). They are supposed to be pretty > amazing and devoted to tackling Joni's entire catalog of work - we are > talking the more esoteric realm - Mingus, DJRD, the works. I heard that > they don't just retune but have an assortment of guitars onstage already in > Joni tuning. And they got some brass, too, baby ;-) I'm looking forward to > checking them out and might just snag some new cover material (hi Bob) in > the process. Kakki > > > The Joni Project, an evening of the music of Joni Mitchell will be performed > by 5 musicians from Idyllwild on Sunday evening, June 5th at 7 p.m. at the > Coffee Gallery Backstage, 2029 N. Lake Ave. Altadena. > > Tickets are $15, and can be reserved by calling 626-398-7917. This is an > intimate venue, and seats go quickly. > > Performing as the "Joni Project" are musicians well-known to the local > Southern California music scene. > > Sandii Castleberry, (vocals, guitar and dulcimer) is originally from > Claremont, and is known in local folk and bluegrass > circles. She has performed at the Claremont Folk Festival, Huck Finn > Jubilee, Topanga Bluegrass Festival, > and is in her 14th year at the Laguna Beach Sawdust Festival. She is also > on the roster for the Orange County > Performing Arts Center and the California Traditional Music Society's school > outreach programs performing > folk music assemblies in schools. Sandii also performs a cross-genres of > music. > > Sue Parker (vocals, guitar) and Pete Holzman (electric guitar, keyboards and > percussion) perform regularly in Idyllwild as the duo: "Polliwog." They > are currently working on the musical soundtrack for an independent film. > > Paul Carman (saxophone) toured for several years with Frank Zappa, played > weekly at the Marine Room in Laguna Beach, and is a regular performer of the > Idyllwild Jazz Festival. Besides performing jazz with some of the Southland > 's top players, he also teaches privately in Orange County, as well as at > the Idyllwild Arts Academy, a private boarding high school for performing > arts students. > > R & B and blues bassist Kevin Hamby performs with the Chuck Alvarez Blues > Band. He also is the bassist for the Signature Band, a favorite at local > casinos. He is also currently playing with country vocalist Shawntees, and > plays weekly at Cafi Aroma in Idyllwild in a duo with Sandii. > > This diverse group of musicians all share a passion for the music of Joni > Mitchell. Come and share a special evening of Joni's music interpreted > through these fine musicians in a concert that will no doubt take you back > to a special place in in your life. > > For more information, call The Coffee Gallery Backstage at 626-398-7917, or > visit their website at www.coffeegallery.com. > You may also email Sandii with questions at: Sandii1@sbcglobal.net. > > > ### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:28:49 -0400 From: vince Subject: choose your seat, Smurf greetings njc I prefer the club section in most arena venues. Anywhere I can get in Eminem concerts. (And yes, I have tickets for the concerts in Chicago and Detroit...) Happy Birthday Smurf! May Marshall Mathers be in your dreams tonight! > > > Mariane said in part, > >How do you generally choose your seat? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:50:43 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc ...........Delurking.......... Happy Birthday Smurph! I have some blue gin that I am going to pour down the hatch here in your honor as soon as I finish typing this. BTW, since you have so much love stored up, whaddya say we go out and get ya a little pussy for your birthday?? Love ya bro, even though you are still in a corner. Paz P.S. Did I tell you I quit smoking?? Now all I have to do is quit drinking blue gin. > What is all this ballyhoo? > Raise a glass of something blue! > Now it's time to honour Smurf! > It's the anniversary of his burf! > > *******Happy birthday, Bob Murphy!*********** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:52:56 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Paprika Plains - the remix (long) Thanks for this. I really enjoyed this a lot and it has inspired me to load this into my HD-24 and do an A/B. Hope all is well with you and I have not forgot about my offer to you, but I have to find the music which is in some plastic storage box (we are remodeling the homestead). Best Paz > I've had the opportunity to do some careful listening to the new mix > of Paprika Plains on SoaPG, and to compare it to the first pressing CD > (not the HDCD version). > This is only the second time an original catalog Joni song has been > remixed (I think), the first being the Big Yellow Taxi version without > the doo-wop vocals from the Big Yellow Taxi Remix EP (I'm not counting > the espresso/taxi remixes since those were essentially new recordings). > I consider Paprika Plains to be a religious experience. It is Joni's > longest composition, and unique in it's conception. It started with 4 > half hour piano improvisations recorded in LA at a time when Joni was > feeling very 'in the groove' musically. These were edited to form > one seven minute piece, then seven months after starting the project, > she wrote a song inspired in part from a conversation with Bob Dylan, > and inserted the original improv piece into the middle of this. > Jaco Pastorius, Wayne Shorter and John Guerin were added to the > last section, recorded in London. > It was orchestrated by English composer Michael Gibbs who also > conducted the sessions in New York. > So what's a remix? The instruments and voices were originally > recorded to separate tracks of a multi-track recorder. Probably 2" 24 > track. Big fat expensive analog tape. The mixing engineer then reduced > these many tracks to a stereo mix, probably on 1/2" analog tape, one > song at a time. These tapes of each song were taken to the mastering > engineer, who assembled them into an album and gave them a final > tweaking. > Remastering involves re-tweaking the existing stereo mixes (either > because digital audio technology has improved, or because the record > company was too lazy to do it right the first time, in this case both). > Remixing involves going back to the multi-track recordings, and > reducing them down to a new stereo mix. Every engineer will do this > slightly differently. > [A little background on PP is in order. When Joni met Charles Mingus, > he commented that the strings on PP went in and out of tune. Joni had > been saying this all along, but no one else involved in the project > could hear it. The reason given for the pitch variation is that the > beginning and end piano parts were recorded seven months after the > center section, and the piano had been retuned. Joni specifically refers > to the edit points where the new and old pianos start and stop, where > the orchestra plays over the edits, as being out of tune. I can't really > hear this. See if you can-the center section "January piano" starts at > 5:14, the "August piano" comes back in at 11:13 on the original PP > (11:11 in the new version). I don't know if anything was digitally > retuned for this new mix, or if it's even possible, given that the > orchestra players would probably automatically adjust their > intonation as they played to the tape.] > What I did for my listening tests was to record the new mix and > the original side by side on 4 tracks of a digital recorder. That way > I could easily switch between them, and be in the same spot. Sort of. > Because I found that even though I started them together, they drifted > apart, and the new mix ends 2 seconds before the old one did. I > imagine the reason for this is that the machine they played the tapes > back on was running a little faster than the original. > Whether they were aware of this, or it was intentional, I don't know. > Presumably, they dumped the original analog tracks into ProTools > (digital) and mixed from there. Another thing to mention is the "pop" > that appears at 9:56. It sounds just like an LP pop, but does not appear > on the original mix, only on the new one. How and why this occured, ?? > It sounds like part of the track, rather than a data error. > Jim has mentioned the different dynamics on the new mix as compared > to the old one. The problem (if it is one) is that, in the old mix, if > you turn up the song in order to clearly hear the first part, then when > the band comes in at the end, it's REALLY loud. So the new mix makes the > volume on both parts more consistant. > The old mix was fairly dry, with the vocal right up front. The new > mix has more ambient space, and sounds very 3D, and the vocal is not as > loud. The orchestra has dimension, and feels more unified with Joni's > parts. The piano has a nice stereo spread. Joni's voice is clear and > detailed, and has a reverb ambience around it. Maybe a little too much > compression, robbing her voice of power during a few louder refrains. > The orchestra sounds excellent, much better than the original. Strings > have texture, percussion is deep and natural. Also, different > orchestra mikes are emphasized, resulting in different sounds at > times. My one complaint about the orchestra is where Joni sings "I > dream Paprika Plains" and the orchestra hits a big crash (twice). On > the original mix, especially the second hit, there is a luscious, > wicked, thunderous roll looming ominously. This effect is tamer on > the new mix. (Rolling Thunder may have been a literal inclusion-PP > is based on a dream Joni had while on the Dylan tour of the same > name. The poem written inside DJRD and reprinted in SoaPG is that > dream.) > Another thing about the new mix is that it has much more low > frequency information. This was not audible without a subwoofer, but it > is there. You can hear the orchestra room breathing. Jaco's bass at the > end is the voice of god, you can see the notes slither through the air. > On the original, Guerin's drums are a bit more in your face, especially > the snare. On the new one, they are more refined. The cymbals are > pristine, the toms rich, and a good stereo panorama. Shorter's soprano > sax is more detailed and nuanced; you can hear him squeezing and > stretching the notes out of his horn. Joni's piano sound on the first > and end parts is very present and crisp, a beautiful piano sound. > The piano in the center part has a darker sound, perhaps, as Jim > suggested, because the lid is down. This section sounds better and > has a better stereo spread than the original, but still sounds > markedly different than the "August" piano. You can hear the change > in sound at the edit points mentioned above. > On the new mix, check out around 4:45, the recording is so clear you > can hear Joni's nails clicking on the ivories. > All in all, very well done, and a great way to spend 17 plus > minutes. > I don't know how much difference you would hear on a boombox, but > through headphones or on a good stereo, you will. > Concerning the package, it's a digi-pak (boo). > But the layout is very nice, mainly due to the B&W photos of Joni > on skates, in her black crow dress, and, contrary to the seriousness of > Hejira, looking playful. Thankfully no Joni self portrait this time. > The sticker on the cover says "A new collection curated by Joni > Mitchell. Musical Tales of Long, Cold Winters. With a Hint of Short but > Glorious Summers." Art direction and design are credited to Joni > Mitchell and Masaki Koike. The photos are great, and would make a good > print series. > I want to add how wonderful the jmdl searchable library archive is- > I was able to quickly refresh my memory on the details of PP. If you are > further interested in the story, type in the song's title. > RR, > vast and bleak and god-forsaken > > Gear used: Carver CD player/Alesis HD24 dig rec/Tannoy spkrs & > powered subwoofer/Hot House amp/AKG M240 headphones. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:01:56 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: ***Smurf!!!*** njc And you have a blue, blue, blue birthday, Mr. Smurfalufagus!!! Where the hell would we be 'round here without you? May *all* your days be mirthful. With love from your Uppity Friend in the West. (--Julius) NP: Ray LaMontagne "Shelter" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:51:54 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: choose your seat, njc You know, marianne, to me it's not so much "choose your seat," but rather, "know your venue." I live in the San Fran area, so I find myself at the Fillmore Theater, the Warfield, Yoshi's, Bill Graham Civic, and the Oakland Paramount Theatre and the Oakland Auditorium in my recurring indoor venue never-ending concert-going dance. At this juncture, I know 'em all like the back of my hand ('cause I'm old and been around these parts a while now.) Why don't ya'll come on out here? You'll sit/stand where I seat/put ya' and like it! But, if you come, bear in mind: "No parking, baby. No parking on the dance floor..." ;-) - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #203 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)