From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #198 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 13 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 198 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: easy way for joni to create some new music [Bob Muller ] Re: phishing? njc [Jerry Notaro ] ClassiKhan [Jerry Notaro ] SMiLE NJC(was Re: easy way for joni to create some new music) [w evans ] njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: phishing? njc [Catherine McKay ] njc, best high schools ["Patti Parlette" ] create new music ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: easy way for joni to create some new music ["Ruth Davis" ] Re: ClassiKhan NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: ClassiKhan NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: phishing? njc [Randy Remote ] thanks njc [Dflahm@aol.com] njc, they're paving paradise ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Rare Joni articles... ["Les Irvin" ] RE: Rare Joni articles... ["Richard Flynn" ] Rare Joni articles... by the way ["Les Irvin" ] don freed and the "gala" [Robert Procyk ] Re: Rare Joni articles... [Smurf ] Re: create new music -- NJC [Smurf ] A normal person wouldn't steal pituitaries -- NJC [Smurf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: easy way for joni to create some new music Waving "hi" back to you buddy - thanks for tuning in! You came to mind every time time I heard "Smile" - wondering what you thought of it. Not a bad idea at all...the very loose scatlike structure of "Steadfast" that she recorded on Blade's CD was great imo. Maybe they could have a reunion of the guys who jammed in the studio back in 1988 and did Hejira and Furry. Hey, anything but another compilation is a step in the right direction. Bob Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:04:02 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: easy way for joni to create some new music Amen to that. Les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:12:29 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: phishing? njc I see an e-mail from _service@payal.com_ (mailto:service@payal.com) with a subject line reading: "notice of limited account access" Should I open this? I seem to remember some list conversation indicating paypal was not completely "reliable." Or is that my fantasy? Good advice always appreciated, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:01:28 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: phishing? njc David wrote: > I see an e-mail from _service@payal.com_ > (mailto:service@payal.com) with > a subject line reading: > "notice of limited account access" > > > Should I open this? I seem to remember some list conversation indicating > paypal was not completely "reliable." I haven't heard that Paypal itself is unreliable (most people I know have used it without problems - including myself) - it's these emails causing the problems, and they definitely do not originate from the official Paypal site. Good up-to-date virus software will catch any potentially damaging viruses etc. in your incoming mail but they can't do anything about bogus web links. The general rule is: Don't open any website with personal information (particularly banking info.) from an email link. If you're unsure, open your web browser and type in the url yourself, eg. http://www.paypal.com and log in to your account from there. If there's a problem with your account, they'll tell you, or if you're unsure, use the Help section to contact the site owners directly. Most of these kinds of emails floating around the 'net are bogus. They provide a "look-alike" front-end (disturbingly accurate in some cases), which prompts you to log in. But once you do that, you're sharing your personal info. with the author, and in the case of Paypal, acces to credit card and/or bank account numbers. Hope this helps... Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:09:04 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: phishing? njc And now it is getting worse. We have pharmimg: Hopefully, we've all become wise to phishing attacks, so named because they cast the bait (via e-mail) and if you bite, they can lure your personal information out of you. These scams are now fairly recognizable and usually arrive as a note from a bank asking you to go to its site (link provided, of course) to reenter your most personal information. The fact that a bank wouldn't really need your mother's maiden name might tip you off. Most likely, though, you spot the misspellings in this bogus e-mail, or you're otherwise savvy to the identity theft scam and immediately trash these messages unread. So what if I told you phishing is just kid stuff compared to what's coming next? The danger here is that you no longer have to click an e-mail link to hand over your personal information to identity thieves. In January, I started hearing about these new "pharming" attacks, a supposed successor to the now familiar e-mail phishing attacks. Gerhard Eschelbeck, CTO of Qualys, a vulnerability management company, told me recently that pharming is simply a new name for a relatively old concept: domain spoofing. Rather than spamming you with e-mail requests, pharmers work quietly in the background, "poisoning" your local DNS server by redirecting your Web request somewhere else. As far as your browser's concerned, you're connected to the right site. The danger here is that you no longer have to click an e-mail link to hand over your personal information to identity thieves. The DNS system To understand pharming, you need a little background on DNS. Throughout the Internet, a series of domain name servers (DNS) quietly resolve the familiar addresses you type into specific Internet addresses. These servers are basically large directories of common names such as Amazon, Google, and Microsoft, and IP-specific addresses that you never see. For example, if you type www.cnet.com, this request goes to your nearest DNS server, which then locates the registered Internet address for the Web server at CNET Networks. It's much more convenient than always remembering 222.123.0.0 or something similar. However, this translation is also a weak link in the Internet's infrastructure. With every Internet request first bouncing off a DNS server somewhere on the planet, criminal hackers realized (some time ago) that rather than flooding a specific domain and effectively hiding it from the rest of the world (in what's known as a denial-of-service attack), they can either change the DNS record or take down the DNS system all together. DNS poisoning In October of 2002, criminal hackers (crackers) attempted just that: they directed a denial-of-service attack at the 13 high-level, or root, DNS servers located throughout the world. Although 10 of the 13 failed and went offline, the Internet itself didn't fail. Why? Because the subservers that most people actually access when they type in a URL all have 24-hour cache backups of popular addresses. In other words, there are enough redundancies to keep everything running. Just watching the address bar on your Internet browser won't inform you of any hijacks; to you, the URL and possibly even the spoofed financial site will look just fine. But DNS poisoning is a whole different kettle of fish (so to speak), and much more subtle than what I just described. When a cracker poisons a DNS server, he or she changes the specific record for a domain, sending you to a Web site very different from the one you intended to access--without your knowledge. Usually, the cracker does this by posing as an official who has the authority to change the destination of a domain name. DNS poisoning is also possible via software vulnerability, however. A white paper by Joe Stewart from the security company Lurhq and published on SecurityFocus offers more about DNS poisoning, including its history. Consider Panix, Amazon, and Google In January of 2005, someone fraudulently changed the DNS address for the domain panix.com, a New York State Internet service provider. Ownership of the company was changed from New York to Australia. Requests to reach the panix.com server were redirected to the United Kingdom, and e-mail was redirected to Canada. State and federal authorities are currently investing this case. Prior to that, in September 2004, a teenager in Germany managed to hijack the domain for eBay.de. I could go on. Other attacks have targeted Amazon.com and Google.com. There were no immediate reports of identity theft resulting from these specific events. Solutions Unfortunately, just watching the address bar on your Internet browser won't inform you of any hijacks; to you, the URL and possibly even the spoofed financial site will look just fine. In order to remove pharming as a threat, servers would have to add another layer of authentication: they would need to prove to you that they are who they say they are and establish a trusted link between you and them. That would require the site to obtain a certificate from a certificate authority, such as VeriSign. According to Eschelbeck, most Internet browsers already have the ability to check for the presence of server certificates right now: the problem is on the server side. A few sites already offer certificates. When you visit these sites, you see a dialog box asking you if you want to trust the certificate; if the name on the certificate doesn't match the site you're attempting to reach, you know that something is amiss, and hopefully you leave. Perhaps your target site (your bank's URL) has been hijacked. If the certificate is OK, you then save the certificate so that when you next return, your browser will know it's reached the right address. You would then log in to the site. There's a slight trade-off in convenience, but the security's worth the added steps. > David wrote: > >> I see an e-mail from _service@payal.com_ >> (mailto:service@payal.com) with >> a subject line reading: >> "notice of limited account access" >> >> >> Should I open this? I seem to remember some list conversation indicating >> paypal was not completely "reliable." > > I haven't heard that Paypal itself is unreliable (most people I know have > used it without problems - including myself) - it's these emails causing the > problems, and they definitely do not originate from the official Paypal > site. > > Good up-to-date virus software will catch any potentially damaging viruses > etc. in your incoming mail but they can't do anything about bogus web links. > > The general rule is: Don't open any website with personal information > (particularly banking info.) from an email link. If you're unsure, open > your web browser and type in the url yourself, eg. http://www.paypal.com and > log in to your account from there. If there's a problem with your account, > they'll tell you, or if you're unsure, use the Help section to contact the > site owners directly. > > Most of these kinds of emails floating around the 'net are bogus. They > provide a "look-alike" front-end (disturbingly accurate in some cases), > which prompts you to log in. But once you do that, you're sharing your > personal info. with the author, and in the case of Paypal, acces to credit > card and/or bank account numbers. > > Hope this helps... > > > Hell > _________________________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be great > audiences too" - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:36:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: ClassiKhan I9d like to highly recommend this cd by Joni fan and premier Joni9s Jazz participant Chaka Khan. It is an audiophile9s delight. In addition there is a JMDL connection with Chaka knock out covers of Hey Big Spender and I9m In the Mood for Love. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:42:15 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: SMiLE NJC(was Re: easy way for joni to create some new music) wow bob, I just listened to Smile this morning for the first time in a few months. Still mind-blowing. A new melodic idea every 45 seconds or so. The greatest ever use of melody-driven audio collage without it being all about sound effects. Lyrics that are interesting, maybe don't always literally make sense and are not particularly about emotions like Joni's are, but I see the sweep of american history (both musical and otherwise) in my mind every time I hear it. Three mini-suites that each internally make sense, and recurring usage of motifs in different places without running any of them into the ground because there are so many different ones! On Thu, 12 May 2005, Bob Muller wrote: > > > > Waving "hi" back to you buddy - thanks for tuning in! You came to mind every time time I heard "Smile" - wondering what you thought of it. > > the VG-8, invite wayne, herbie, brian and the Russian over, and just work > out some ideas and make an instrumental jazz album, maybe warble some > scats over it?> > > Not a bad idea at all...the very loose scatlike structure of "Steadfast" that she recorded on Blade's CD was great imo. Maybe they could have a reunion of the guys who jammed in the studio back in 1988 and did Hejira and Furry. > > Hey, anything but another compilation is a step in the right direction. > > Bob > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Best U.S. High Schools (NJC) Ranked number 500 Lama! So there! : ) Of course I couldn't resist looking my school up. Lists are irresistable and they sell magazines apparently. Nor could I resist commenting on the measure because I am a higher ed research analyst by day. How often can I use those skills on JMDL? Thankfully not often. Jenny "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: Jenny, My alma mater is not listed either. :) Seriously though, I can see those statistics classes are serving you well. Almost everyone from my high school went on to "higher education". Jim Jenny said in part, >The rankings are based on a single measure: the number of students who take AP or IB courses in a year divided by the number of graduating seniors. So to call these the 'best' high schools is a bit of a stretch.> Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:40:47 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Best U.S. High Schools (NJC) Regarding GRADUATON RATES: I just learned something yesterday. . If you hear the term "graduation rate," try to make sure what this actualy means. For example: 1. Does it mean the amount of seniors who graduate compared to the amount of seniors in the class? OR 2. The amount of seniors in the class compared to the amount of students who entered in the 9th grade? This percentage is called the "Cohort Effect." This, I believe, would be the more meaningful percentage. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:44:12 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc Hey did someone just mention my name? : - ) XOXO Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:34:25 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Paprika Plains - the remix (long) - njc Jim wrote: >It's cool to have both and ultra-cool to have a venue for "discussing" >it. There are probably only two other people within 100 miles of here >who would have an opinion on the topic. There are? Who? I thought Bree and Marianne live in NY. ; ) Lori _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:45:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: phishing? njc It's a scam and it's not from paypal. You can forward the e-mail to spoof@paypal.com I've probably received at least 20 of those. What a pain in the ass! There should be a way of sending the people that send you that junk a shock through their keyboard! - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I see an e-mail from _service@payal.com_ > (mailto:service@payal.com) with > a subject line reading: > "notice of limited account > access" > > > Should I open this? I seem to remember some list > conversation indicating > paypal was not completely "reliable." > > Or is that my fantasy? > > Good advice always appreciated, > DAVID LAHM > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:50:15 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, best high schools Richard wrote: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:19:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best U.S. High Schools (NJC) I see that my son's high school is number 5 on the list. No wonder he's going to go to graduate school this fall to get overeducated like his Dad. - ---- Richard, I said Richard, there is no such thing as overeducation! You know, life is for learning! ;) (I know you know this, I'm just joking around....I can never seem to resist the opportunity to throw out Joni quotes!) Good for your son! I remember my music history professor telling our class that "it is what you know that exposes you to a miracle." That stayed with me. The more one learns about botany or music or language or physics or astronomy or whatever, the more one can appreciate the miracles all around us. Life is for learning, indeed. Kakki, thanks for posting this! I dragged this thread over to my high school alumni site/list and it really revved up the lagging conversation. We were not on the list, but my little brother's school, Brighton in Utah, came in at 916 (rumor has it that Stevie Nicks went there). Soon, when I have the time and sweet inspiration, I will share my two new "Joni in the Workplace" stories. You'll really like them, I'm sure. Love is a story told to a friend, even if it's second hand! Love to all, Patti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:50:21 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: create new music >Joni has remarked often about how she thinks if she wrote new songs that it >would be too bleak and dark because of her current worldview... would be alright by me. . . could use the validation. . . I like it when someone tells it like it is. Marianne Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: easy way for joni to create some new music Anyways, Joni has remarked often about how she thinks if she wrote new songs that it would be too bleak and dark because of her current worldview... _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:58:10 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: easy way for joni to create some new music So, if she wanted to create new music and record, why not just pull out the VG-8, invite wayne, herbie, brian and the Russian over, and just work out some ideas and make an instrumental jazz album, maybe warble some scats over it? *********************************************************************** I know who wayne, herbie, and brian are, but who is this Russian? It sounds like a great idea, by the way. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: create new music - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >Joni has remarked often about how she thinks if she > wrote new songs that it > >would be too bleak and dark because of her current > worldview... > > > would be alright by me. . . > > could use the validation. . . > > I like it when someone tells it like it is. > > Marianne > > Yeah. What's the problem? The world is bleak and dark. What else is new? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:06:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: ClassiKhan NJC I agree Jerry. Although I bought mine in a used CD store in Carrboro I was delighted to discover that the CD itself is "used" because of a hole in the punch. So I bought Chaka Khan's new album and was frankly knocked silly by her abvility to sing jazz. I know that some of us here know that Chaka released an all-jazz-repertoire album way back in the early 80s with a top notch motley of jazz musicians under the name "Echoes of the Era". She is clearly the headliner of that album and although it was my first time to hear her sing jazz, I already thought she can sing it idiomatically (like her "Another Night in Tunisia"), but ClassiKhan will prove that she is right up there with singers who release an all-standards album like Regina Belle. But I prefer Khan's latest album because of her performances of non-standard songs like "Hazels Eyes" and a very nice "The Best Is Yet To Come" and a re-imagined "Stormy Weather". Like Jerry I highly recommend this album for fans of jazz singing, or just good ole singing, period. While I am at it, I am eagerlyawaiting the debut album of this year's winner of the Thelonious Monk Vocal Competition -- Gretchen Parlato. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Audra McDonald - Bambalele Jerry Notaro a icrit : I9d like to highly recommend this cd by Joni fan and premier Joni9s Jazz participant Chaka Khan. It is an audiophile9s delight. In addition there is a JMDL connection with Chaka knock out covers of Hey Big Spender and I9m In the Mood for Love. Jerry - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:38:54 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: ClassiKhan NJC > I agree Jerry. Although I bought mine in a used CD store in Carrboro I was > delighted to discover that the CD itself is "used" because of a hole in the > punch. So I bought Chaka Khan's new album and was frankly knocked silly by her > abvility to sing jazz. I know that some of us here know that Chaka released an > all-jazz-repertoire album way back in the early 80s with a top notch motley of > jazz musicians under the name "Echoes of the Era". And I just ordered it when I found out there was a remastered version now available. She is clearly the > headliner of that album and although it was my first time to hear her sing > jazz, I already thought she can sing it idiomatically (like her "Another Night > in Tunisia"), but ClassiKhan will prove that she is right up there with > singers who release an all-standards album like Regina Belle. But I prefer > Khan's latest album because of her performances of non-standard songs like > "Hazels Eyes" and a very nice "The Best Is Yet To Come" and a re-imagined > "Stormy Weather". Like Jerry I highly recommend this album for fans of jazz > sing! > ing, or > just good ole singing, period. > > While I am at it, I am eagerlyawaiting the debut album of this year's winner > of the Thelonious Monk Vocal Competition -- Gretchen Parlato. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > > np: Audra McDonald - Bambalele I'm a big fan of Audra's. When I went to see Barbara Cook in concert last year it was sold out, yet there was an empty seat next to me. As soon as the lights dimmed Audra slipped into the seat. It was a Monday night and she was off from Raisin In the Sun. I got to chat with her and let her know about Barbara's great gigs in the 70's at Reno Sweeney's when she was "rediscovered." She couldn't have been more wonderful to speak to. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:13:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: phishing? njc Yes, it's a scam. Go to paypal and get into your account, and they will tell you if there is really a problem. I just got one of these a few days ago, too. Concerning paypal's reliability, there is a website called 'paypal sucks.com' that has a whole forum full of stories about paypal. Many say that paypal's security systems are lax, and if someone breaks into your account and charges stuff, paypal will make you pay for it anyway. Paypal is owned by ebay. It's one of those 'can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em' things. RR Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I see an e-mail from _service@payal.com_ (mailto:service@payal.com) with > a subject line reading: > "notice of limited account access" > > > Should I open this? I seem to remember some list conversation indicating > paypal was not completely "reliable." > > Or is that my fantasy? > > Good advice always appreciated, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:31:23 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: thanks njc I appreciate everyone's help re paypal. I don't think I have an account with them. I don't use it; I may have a long time ago just once. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:33:34 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc, they're paving paradise >I cannot believe >how selfish we as a species are. I generally do not like the human for this reason. selfish creatures for the most part we could live in near paradise chew it up Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:59:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, they're paving paradise - - --- Patti Parlette wrote: >Reading the news, and it sure looks bad: > >"The Bush administration announced Thursday that it >was dropping a wide-ranging Clinton administration rule that had >placed nearly a third of the country's national forest land off limits to >road building, logging and oil and gas development." (Bettina Boxall, LA >Times) > >Dammit! They are going to pave paradise, those >short-sighted businessmen (which song is that from? I can't recall at the >moment)! Anyway, that's way too kind a term for them. You're right. It's far too kind, even if it is right on. We are doomed, doomed, doomed. I cannot believe how selfish we as a species are. I mean, why the f*ck should we care? We are going to die and it will be someone else's problem. In the meantime, let's use, use, use and accumulate a lot of crappy toys so we can show everyone else that we're richer than them. When I read stuff like that, I truly think we deserve our fate. Haven't these a**holes read any of that end-of-the-world science fiction? Oh yeah, reading. That would require too much brain activity. OK, so maybe they saw the film... or the TV show? I guess we're going to need that tree museum. The trees will probably be plastic replicas though. Catherine Toronto - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:22:43 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Rare Joni articles... Joniphiles - I've just come across two fascinating early articles on Joni. They aren't in the library yet (as they are waiting for volunteers to type them) but I thought I'd offer a preview. The articles are from 1964 and 1965, which will make them the earliest items in the JMDL Library. Great photo of Joni at 20 years old that I've not seen before. You can view them in their original form here: http://www.jmdl.com/library/typing.cfm (click on the "unknown" titles) If anyone can help identify dates and sources on these articles, I would be much obliged. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:36:00 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rare Joni articles... Very Very cool ,Les! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:23 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Rare Joni articles... Joniphiles - I've just come across two fascinating early articles on Joni. They aren't in the library yet (as they are waiting for volunteers to type them) but I thought I'd offer a preview. The articles are from 1964 and 1965, which will make them the earliest items in the JMDL Library. Great photo of Joni at 20 years old that I've not seen before. You can view them in their original form here: http://www.jmdl.com/library/typing.cfm (click on the "unknown" titles) If anyone can help identify dates and sources on these articles, I would be much obliged. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:37:57 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Rare Joni articles... by the way ...there is also a 1963 article with a picture of Joni probably at 19 years old. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:34:56 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: don freed and the "gala" Just a note saying that Don Freed did some family concert last night at my local library, which I missed because it was my daughter's birthday. I just had these visions of Joni and him hooking up again and her being here, since she could be in Saskatchewan again already. I have tickets for the Centennial Gala thing next week, so I'll give a report of Joni's involvement - if she speaks, or if there is a tribute, or whatever..... she better do something, because this looks thing is really hokey - got 10th row seats though! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Rare Joni articles... Les Irvin wrote: > I've just come across two fascinating early articles > on Joni. You can view them in their original form here: > http://www.jmdl.com/library/typing.cfm (click on the > "unknown" titles) My favorites... From the Calgary Herald: "Joannie Anderson, of Saskatoon, is cute and a crowd-winner." Also, I think that picture captioned, "... Judy Johnson..." meant to say *Jody* Johnson. From the Royal Reflector: "Her songs are usually tragic or melancholy, but (she) has a pleasant and refreshing manner of singing them." The article of unknown origin that's headlined, "FOLK SINGER Two-Career Girl" is just too true. I love the bit about the art teacher trying to talk her out of singing and into an art career. And this: "At home, however, her talent produced no visable excitement and when she announced her intention of buying herself an accompanying instrument, the only reaction was her mother's" "Who do you think you are, Kitty Wells?" The more things change, eh? - --Smurf Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: create new music -- NJC - --- Catherine spits: > Yeah. What's the problem? The world is bleak and > dark. > What else is new? No one can afford to live here anymore? - --Smurf "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" - --Myrtle Anderson Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: A normal person wouldn't steal pituitaries -- NJC From http://www.joygreetings.com/kungfu.htm: Here is a list of actual English subtitles used in films made in Hong Kong--you know, those awful Saturday afternoon super-dubbed kung fu flicks where you know for certain that the translation has nothing to do with the actual Chinese dialogue. 1. I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. 2. Fatty, you with your thick face have hurt my instep. 3. Gun wounds again? 4. Same old rules: no eyes, no groin. 5. A normal person wouldn't steal pituitaries. 6. Damn, I'll burn you into a BBQ chicken! 7. Take my advice, or I'll spank you without pants. 8. Who gave you the nerve to get killed here? 9. Quiet or I'll blow your throat up. 10. You always use violence. I should've ordered glutinous rice chicken. 11. I'll fire aimlessly if you don't come out! 12. You daring lousy guy. 13. Beat him out of recognizable shape! 14. I have been scared like a mouse too much lately. 15. I got knife scars more than the number of your leg's hair! 16. Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. 17. The bullets inside are very hot. Why do I feel so cold? 18. How can you use my intestines as a gift? 19. This will be of fine service for you, you bag of the scum. I am sure you will not mind that I remove your manhoods and leave them out on the dessert flour for your aunts to eat. . . "Who do you think you are... Kitty Wells?" --Myrtle Anderson Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:15:09 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: PP and now DTY, Now improved with Springsteen Content I wonder what COURT AND SPARK would sound like if Joni's team revisited the WHOLE THING? Some parts are kinda murky. Others are strident and gritty. It's such a great collection, I'd really like to have the whole thing re-done from scratch. Springsteen content: now playing in my head, "Waist deep / in the big muddy" Now, here's an underappreciated album: "LUKCY TOWN". 4. If I Should Fall Behind (Wait For Me) 5. Leap Of Faith 6. The Big Muddy 10. My Beautiful Reward "How beautiful: the river flows and the birds they sing. But, you and I: we're messier thangs. There ain't no one gets outta this world, buddy without their shirttails dirty and their ha-a-a-ands a littl-l-le bloody. Waist deep / in the big muddy" Jim Micheal from Quebec stepped out of the shadows for a moment and said, >I was wondering if you would take a listen to the orchestral part of DTY, Joni's other great orchestral outing. To my ears, this was not recorded together in one take, rather it sounds to me like pieces of tape patched together in the mixing booth. For example, I've always found there is an abrupt transition at 2:43 and again at 4:19, when the oboe and clarinet come back near the end (on the regular CD pressing). This was especially audible on the vinyl record. The sound quality seems to vary somewhat from one section to the next, even the piano seems duller at the end of the peice. What do you think? Are these variations in the sound made by the patching together of different takes or recordings ?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: easy way for joni to create some new music Subject: Re: PP and now DTY, Now improved with Springsteen Content Yikes! C&S is sonically an amazing work...it's the record that won me over to Joni, whether it was the LP, or a tape recorded from the LP, or a CD or even playing through these cheap-ass Boston Acoustics speakers on my computer it's always sounded INCREDIBLE to me. Her "team" can f*ck with it when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "I Got The News" - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:07:05 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: PP and now DTY, Now improved with Springsteen Content Well, all right. That's a great take too. I have lousy hearing, a weak sense of pitch, and C&S sounds kinda rough to me. On the other hand, Bob, you out-sing me without breaking a sweat, yet you have no problem with Court and Spark. Hmm. What the feck? It is a quandary. Sure, I love Court and Spark. It's easy to love that one; it pulled many people into the catalog; the song-writing is really great. I admit it's lame to even mention the sound quality. Okay, I'll take it back, at least until RR & Jerry & Em jump into the fray. Sincerely, Jim "Souls of the Departed" which also sounds kinda rough but that's cause it's on the DVD player. The outboard DAC is being upgraded this weekend. From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Yikes! C&S is sonically an amazing work...it's the record that won me over to Joni, whether it was the LP, or a tape recorded from the LP, or a CD or even playing through these cheap-ass Boston Acoustics speakers on my computer it's always sounded INCREDIBLE to me. Her "team" can f*ck with it when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. [Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu] >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:28:11 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: OREGON IN CHICAGO, with a bit of Fred (njc) Dear friends, well-wishers, and the strangely attracted ... Apologies for the brazen self-promotion, but I hope you'll join me in welcoming that venerable and merry band of musicians, OREGON, featuring Ralph Towner, Paul McCandless, Glen Moore, and Mark Walker. OREGON has been serving up profoundly beautiful, and beautifully profound, music for well over 30 years, and their occasional visits are events not to be missed. As I did last year, I will again have the honor and joy of serving as appetizer for their sumptuous main course, and will hopefully be joined on a few tunes by various Oregonian friends. Also, it's likely that there will be copies of my recent album, Remember the River, which features Paul McCandless and Steve Rodby, available for sale at the gig. Come on down and dig on up. As always, I'm grateful for your past and future support. Your fred, Fred =================================================== OREGON with, for starters, Fred Simon - solo piano Sunday and Monday, May 15 and 16, 2005 7:30 PM Martyrs 3855 N Lincoln Ave, Chicago, IL 60613 for information call (773) 404-9494 =================================================== *** WHAT'S SO FUNNY 'BOUT PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING? *** =================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:00:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Best U.S. High Schools (NJC) I think this kind of list is similar to the 'best guitar players' (where joni is never mentioned) I looked at the list rather quickly so could have missed something but was surprised to see one of three of our local high schools in the top 100 (I think that is where it was)... the last time I paid attention to 'rankings' this particular hs ranked third among the three in our area... locally speaking... I agree with jerry re: using drop out rates in the stats .... here in ca & especially sb, we are fortunate to have a great community college system where many hs kids attend when they get fed up with the hs/gestapo mentality... of course the schools try to hang on to them, because when they loose a kid they loose funding... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 01:13:36 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc, best high schools My tongue was firmly in my cheek, Patti, of course. As a college professor I firmly believe in overeducation! - -----Original Message----- From: Patti Parlette [mailto:loveuconn@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:50 AM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; kakkib@vzavenue.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: njc, best high schools Richard wrote: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:19:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best U.S. High Schools (NJC) I see that my son's high school is number 5 on the list. No wonder he's going to go to graduate school this fall to get overeducated like his Dad. - ---- Richard, I said Richard, there is no such thing as overeducation! You know, life is for learning! ;) (I know you know this, I'm just joking around....I can never seem to resist the opportunity to throw out Joni quotes!) Good for your son! I remember my music history professor telling our class that "it is what you know that exposes you to a miracle." That stayed with me. The more one learns about botany or music or language or physics or astronomy or whatever, the more one can appreciate the miracles all around us. Life is for learning, indeed. Kakki, thanks for posting this! I dragged this thread over to my high school alumni site/list and it really revved up the lagging conversation. We were not on the list, but my little brother's school, Brighton in Utah, came in at 916 (rumor has it that Stevie Nicks went there). Soon, when I have the time and sweet inspiration, I will share my two new "Joni in the Workplace" stories. You'll really like them, I'm sure. Love is a story told to a friend, even if it's second hand! Love to all, Patti ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #198 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)