From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #191 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 191 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Speaking of Tori.... [Garret ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" [Bob Muller ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" [Joseph Palis ] Mossh Pit grrl... njc [Em ] Re: Speaking of Tori....njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" now John Sayles films [Lori ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" [Bob Muller ] Re: Cherokee Louise [Bobsart48@aol.com] Sarah McLachlan's favourite songs - sjc [Catherine McKay ] RE: DVD question NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: swingin' chicks of the 60s njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Thank you Florida njc ["Kate Bennett" ] TOTALLY NJC EAR TROUBLE ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: guns: (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: guns: (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Guns njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:11:07 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Speaking of Tori.... Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:12:01 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Speaking of Tori.... now njc Ya mean like that song where she rhymns joo- ELLS with skoo-ELLS? Lol; i do love this. Didn't Joni recent;y say something about being slightly embarrassed by some of herrr early song writing, something liek "i even know where i rhymed jewels with schools". Maybe it was that CTV video. One of my favourite song rhymes is Blondie rhyming Maria with "see her", lol, that gives me a laugh every time. GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Kimberly (the tix for Patti's meltdown festival go on sale tomorrow morn, i am soooo gonna get me a ticket for Patti SMith performs Horses with special guest John Cale.... despite my sore back i'm jumping with excitments;-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 03:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" Jane Alexander...always wonderful. I just saw this movie for the first time last weekend - it was on IFC, and really liked it. John Sayles is one of those filmmakers who you can always count on to create a great film. Sunshine State reminded me of Carl Hiaasen's novels, detective stories exposing the dirty Florida underbelly. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Alex Chilton" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 07:52:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" > woman who's name I don't know, were fantastic - > > > Jane Alexander...always wonderful. I just saw this movie for the first time > last weekend - it was on IFC, and really liked it. John Sayles is one of > those filmmakers who you can always count on to create a great film. One of the most underrated filmmakers around. Though I wasn't taken with Sunshine State ( I prefer Ruby In Paradise for my Florida movie) his Secret of Roan Inish is a masterpiece. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:29:56 -0400 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: Speaking of Tori.... On 5/4/05, Garret wrote: > > > NP- Patti Smith, Kimberly (the tix for Patti's meltdown festival go on > sale > tomorrow morn, i am soooo gonna get me a ticket for Patti SMith performs > Horses > with special guest John Cale I noticed that Antony & The Johnsons are also playing at this festival. Has anyone heard them? I just got their new album "I Am A Bird Now" and LOVE it. Totally different than anything I have ever heard. Lou Reed, Laurie Anderson, Rufus Wainwright, and Boy George all guest. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:37:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" I like John Sayles a lot too but I thought "Silver City" is an embarrassing piece from his entire filmography -- which is a pity since it was star-studded. I like "Lone Star" and "Passion Fish" a lot. In "Passion Fish", Mary McDonnell's ailing but bratty character told Alfre Woodard's no-nonsense helper character something like: "Did you know that I am known for being a difficult patient?" Woodard deadpans: "Yes. On wheels". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Alana Davis - "Vision" from Surrender Dorothy Jerry Notaro a icrit: > > woman who's name I don't know, were fantastic - > > > Jane Alexander...always wonderful. I just saw this movie for the first time > last weekend - it was on IFC, and really liked it. John Sayles is one of > those filmmakers who you can always count on to create a great film. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:58:17 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Speaking of Tori.... > I noticed that Antony & The Johnsons are also playing at this festival. Has > > anyone heard them? I just got their new album "I Am A Bird Now" and LOVE it. > > Totally different than anything I have ever heard. Lou Reed, Laurie > Anderson, Rufus Wainwright, and Boy George all guest. > > Reuben > Hi Reuben, i just got that album this week. it's great. i am a big nina simone fan and think the comparisons with nina aren't all that off the mark. when i read that i thought it was odd. and even though his voice is reminiscent of nina's it's the way they (he?) uses piano that reminds of nina - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Mossh Pit grrl... njc my wish for her, for better or for worse, despite the hilarity of this (and I laffed my ass off) is that she have that same energy level, still, when she's, say, 45 years old. Thats pretty "out there"! Great energy, even if it ain't pretty. ........gawd that was WEIRD!!!!!!!!!!!! Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:00:49 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Speaking of Tori....njc He has been often been compared to one of my idols, Jimmy Scott. Like Jimmy, Rufus and Antony are considered "oddities." Maybe that is what I love about them. Jerry >> I noticed that Antony & The Johnsons are also playing at this festival. Has >> >> anyone heard them? I just got their new album "I Am A Bird Now" and LOVE it. >> >> Totally different than anything I have ever heard. Lou Reed, Laurie >> Anderson, Rufus Wainwright, and Boy George all guest. >> >> Reuben >> > > > Hi Reuben, > i just got that album this week. it's great. i am a big nina simone fan and > think the comparisons with nina aren't all that off the mark. when i read > that > i thought it was odd. and even though his voice is reminiscent of nina's it's > the way they (he?) uses piano that reminds of nina > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:06:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" I like Sayles almost uncritically--even his failures and have ever since _The Return of the Secaucus Seven_ (the one that The Big Chill ripped off and a much more interesting film. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Palis Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:37 AM To: Jerry Notaro; Bob Muller; Em Cc: Joni List Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" I like John Sayles a lot too but I thought "Silver City" is an embarrassing piece from his entire filmography -- which is a pity since it was star-studded. I like "Lone Star" and "Passion Fish" a lot. In "Passion Fish", Mary McDonnell's ailing but bratty character told Alfre Woodard's no-nonsense helper character something like: "Did you know that I am known for being a difficult patient?" Woodard deadpans: "Yes. On wheels". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Alana Davis - "Vision" from Surrender Dorothy Jerry Notaro a icrit: > > woman who's name I don't know, were fantastic - > > > Jane Alexander...always wonderful. I just saw this movie for the first time > last weekend - it was on IFC, and really liked it. John Sayles is one of > those filmmakers who you can always count on to create a great film. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:19:00 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Joni et al on the Dick Cavett Show coming to DVD Looking forward to this - the post-Woodstock episode in its entirety, along with some excellent shows with Janis, George ... and of course, Debbie Reynolds ;-D The release date is August 2, with an SRP of 39.95. http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showrelease.php3?ID=5495 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:45:35 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: FW: Joni et al on the Dick Cavett Show coming to DVD Reply all, anyone? - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:45 AM To: 'Bob Shemkovitz' Subject: RE: Joni et al on the Dick Cavett Show coming to DVD Yes, I just heard about this a couple of days ago--it'll be great to have that whole show--and Sly and Janis in particular. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Shemkovitz Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:19 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni et al on the Dick Cavett Show coming to DVD Looking forward to this - the post-Woodstock episode in its entirety, along with some excellent shows with Janis, George ... and of course, Debbie Reynolds ;-D The release date is August 2, with an SRP of 39.95. http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showrelease.php3?ID=5495 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:13:21 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, urge for going Oh, dear Mags! I wish you wouldn't go, but at the same time I want the best for you, and of course only you know what that is. We all come from such different sets of circumstance, for sure, for sure. Ken is right that you are a gem -- you stand out like a ruby! What the world needs now, is love, sweet love, and that is what you have always given us. Please feel mine. You know I'll try to be there for you........ Bon courage, et beaucoup d'amour et d'amities, toujours, Patti NPIMH: Don't just resign....we'd sure like to see you sometime.....sure like to see you Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 01:27:00 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: the urge for going NJC OH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Hope you don't stay away too long! yOU'RE A GEM! kEN - - -----Original Message----- From: mags h To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the urge for going NJC Ive got the urge for going now, and it's truly time to.......... go. love to all of you who have been brilliant bright stars in my skye. mags. xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:22:50 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! so? how'd it go? cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:38:35 -0700 From: Kate Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #131 onlyJMDL Digest: > Sites include: > Joni Mitchell's Saskatoon home she grew up in and where her parents > still live > Aden Bowman Collegiate - Joni's highschool > Nutana Collegiate - Joni's first highschool > Queen Elizabeth School - Joni's elementary school > Mendel Art Gallery - where Joni's art has been on display and had a > special dedication with a special book Voices printed > Bessborough Hotel - Saskatoon's most historic site > Centennial Auditorium - where Joni performed > Broadway area - the local "art" hip area of town where Joni would have > hung out in the mid 60s. > The Broadway Theatre - theatre going to be dedicated in her name - > interior footage > Louis Riel Coffee House - where Joni performed as a teenager > Gathercole Building - where new Joni Mitchell center to be built well these are all legitimate places; sounds on the up and up, to me kate du nord http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:03:08 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:22:50 -0500 > > >so? how'd it go? > >cindy > Thanks for asking, Cindy, and you, too, Catherine. I didn't mean to leave you in suspense...I wanted to calm down a bit before I wrote so I don't gush all over the place, but that ain't happenin', so you'll just have to take me as I am today. How did it go? Didn't you hear it in the wind last night? It sounded like applause -- and it was! I got a round resounding Way down here My name's in the news Everything's first class The lights went down And it was just me up there Getting them to feel like that! I've never held a microphone in my hand before, so I was scared for about 10 seconds, and then I just got into some wonderful zone, some magical place of pure unconditional love coupled with a brand new confidence (which came both from within *and* from the extra boost of YOURS, sweet darlings!) That microphone was like a new shiny toy for me, and I was soooo tempted to use it to sing: I'm not hard to handle, I'm not selfish, but I'm sad, Now I have gone and lost the best department head I've eeeeeeevvvvvvver haaaaaaaad, Oh... But I resisted. This was not about me or Joni. It was about David. And sweet Julius, my three pointer from downtown to win the championship was at the end of the speech, when I presented David with his big surprise (BTW, my colleague Stuart, the Hebrew professor, was extremely impressed with your cleverness, as are we all). I said: "David, every single person in this room knows this but you. Your surprise gift is a brand new scholarship we have established in your name, to help financially needy students study abroad, to help create a world without borders and to help foster peace and understanding. We have raised over $3,000, and checks are still pouring in." (Study abroad is his favorite academic cause.) I've never seen him, in all our 15 years together, look so surprised and happy and moved. Contrary to what some people might think, professors don't make a lot of money (right, Professor Flynn?) -- and of course graduate students make hardly any at all (right, Joseph in NC?) -- so to raise over $3,000 here in academia is huge. The whole party was just awesome. And you'll love this: David thanked me, with beautiful touching words about our "warm arrangement" type relationship (the love in the air for David was palpable, I'll tell you -- the crowd was unbelievable), and then he said: "And I can't BELIEVE she got through a whole speech without quoting Joni Mitchell!!!" All the people at this party who know me (about 75%, I guess) roared with laughter. So Joni got a mention AFTER all!!! Yay! I am so grateful for your love and support and am so glad I dared to share yesterday. This list is something else -- a rich exchange, indeed. Love and thanks, Patti, with gooooorrrrrroooooorrrrrgeous new wings today, wishing you all the same feeling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! - --- Patti Parlette wrote: I said: > "David, every single person > in this room knows this but you. Your surprise gift > is a brand new > scholarship we have established in your name, to > help financially needy > students study abroad, to help create a world > without borders and to help > foster peace and understanding. We have raised over > $3,000, and checks are > still pouring in." (Study abroad is his favorite > academic cause.) > > I've never seen him, in all our 15 years together, > look so surprised and > happy and moved. > This sounds like the best gift a person could ever have. Congratulations on your speech and to you, or whoever it was that thought up the gift idea. That's the biggest compliment that can be paid to anyone. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 18:27:25 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, I need your confidence, babies! Hi Patti! Here's some good vibes, thoughts and wishes for you!!!! Glad you felt you could turn to us! It makes me feel special! I always have a bout of stagefright before getting up in front of the public. The trick is to take that nervous energy and use it to your advantage. Think about how Joni gets up on stage and bares her soul about her life. That's brave! If she can do it, you can do it! Be like Joni! Good luck!!!! Sherelle Patti wrote: Dear Joni Brothers and Sisters: Please pardon me for oversharing, but I've got the urge for reaching out to you today. I'm nervous because I'm the organizer of a big reception today at 4 p.m. PLUS I have to give a farewell speech for my beloved department head in front of 200+ people, including our university president and all kinds of deans and provosts and vice provosts and people with all kinds of vices....lol! I am NOT a public speaker! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:39:21 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Mosh pit girl (njc) Oh my God Murphy where do you find this shit? I was dying, peeing my pants laughing!!!! My favorite was MPG pulling Kip on his rollerblades (scene from Napoleon Dynamite). Thanks for the laugh on this otherwise dreary day. Suze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:36:12 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" now John Sayles films How about "Casa de los babys"? Very very good John Sayles film. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc now "Sunshine State" Subject: Nikki alert! - njc - Stevie Nicks, Don Henley to mount co-headlining tour It begins June 3 in Philly! Check out http://www.livedaily.com/news/8062.html?t=98 Miss you! - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 18:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Another JMDL'er makes a CD!! http://cdbaby.com/cd/em2 Congrats, Em!!...this is a big surprise given the kind of music you SAY you like. Bob NP: Moby Grape, "8:05" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:51:57 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise Richard Flynn asked and opined: " What do you all think of the TLog version of "Cherokee Louise"? I think it's insipid and melodramatic, in case you wondered. The jauntier NRH version is way more powerful--Joni understood irony then. " I like both versions. But I prefer the Tlog version. Joni has commented in interviews that she has often felt a need to lighten up the musical presentation of some of her extremely "heavy" songs. The original CL is a good example of that, IMO. I do not really think that irony was her point, rather than relief from direct confrontation with the scenes depicted. I find the direct, dramatic presentation of TLog more moving and powerful - if you can let go and take the emotional heat straight on. Perhaps some people find that hard to do - like looking at a really excruciating sitcom scene, where you just have to turn away. Bob Muller (I think on one of his Sweet 16 compilations) included a Latin type cover that was far bouncier than the NRH version - I really like that version, too. CL is a good song, musically - it can weather a variety of presentations successfully. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Sarah McLachlan's favourite songs - sjc I was sitting waiting in a doc's office today and spotted this on the last page of the April 18 (2005) Maclean's: - --------------------------------------------------- Sarah McLachlan lists her favourite songs of all time "It's odd, but I love songs that are either about intense hopelessness or intense joy," says Vancouver singer-songwriter Sarah McLaclan, 37. Her top ten of all time (in no particular order): 1. River, by Joni Mitchell 2. The Valley, by Jane Siberry 3. Why? by Annie Lennox 4. Mercy Street, by Peter Gabriel 5. If I laugh, by Cat Stevens 6. I eat dinner, by Kate and Anna McGarrigle 7. Ol' 55, by Tom Waits 8. Secret Heart, by Ron Sexsmith 9. Beautiful Day, by U2 10. Across the Universe, by Rufus Wainwright Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:13:37 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise Further to Richard's question, Bob Muller disapproved: "I still can't get over the fact that this quiet intimate song was given such a heavy-handed and totally inappropriate orchestral treatment. It's almost as if I was to tell someone a secret, and then see it on the front page the next day...No...this should be quiet, not symphonic fer crissakes. Perhaps a quartet or a lone cello or something would have worked, but why? The NRH version got the job done." I have criticized the orchestral treatment (i.e., inclusion) of certain songs on TLog (especially For The Roses and The Circle Game), on the grounds that the content is not worthy of orchestral treatment - these are essentially personal but somewhat universal vignettes of everyday joy, or complaint, and were much better treated IMO via the simple, intimate presentations of the originals. However, CL deals with an important, 'heavy' issue, one that relatively few of us have experienced directly but that most of us are affected by at least indirectly, and the melancholy of the song is IMO powerfully captured in the orchestral presentation. It is a dirty, intimate little secret that needs its time on the front page artistically - and Joni did two ways. I did not find it particularly heavy handed, either - it's not like it was given a tympanic treatment, like JOTMAS or Slouching. A pretty quiet, sad arrangement, really. That said, I agree that it might have been better with fewer instruments - a la mode of some of the arrangements on Judy Collins' Wildflowers. Finally, she takes John's advice and puts some fiddles on it, and look what she gets around here ! There I go, sticking up for Joni again..:-) Bobsart (a bigger fan of TLog with each listening) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:40:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: fish & birds njc Speaking of fish & birds & many digests behind... The pediatric unit in the hospital where I work has a wonderful fish tank... it is the big motivator for the kids who aren't feeling well (an understatement) to get out of bed & come to watch the fish.. on the other hand we have/had a frog pond & as much as I love the frogs I also love the birds, some of them herons, who come to hang out & I suppose eventually feast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:48:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: DVD question NJC Bree>I don't think technology has quite been perfected when it comes to DVD players. Here is something..simple things you might try doing. (they have worked for me at times) Unplug your dvd then reinsert the Last Waltz or put in a DVD that you know works and then immediately take that one out and try the Last Waltz again.< still digests behind but... lol & laughing through my tears bree... just saw most of this concert last week on tv... major pangs of appreciation for those days of incredible music & missing so many of those people... for the first time I noticed something (hindsight editing or premonition?) when rr was talking about getting off the road because its taken so many of his peers... during his interview they are showing the band walking off stage & at that very moment you see walking past the camera Manuel & Danko ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:53:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: swingin' chicks of the 60s njc >Other questionable entries include Marilyn Monroe (dead in 1962, before the 60's started), Barbra Streisand (too mainstream to be a hip chick), Patsy Cline (50's), Audrey Hepburn (40's!),< Audrey Hepburn has been hip in every decade she has lived & still is... imo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:57:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Thank you Florida njc What a horrible law... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:08:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: TOTALLY NJC EAR TROUBLE Yes my son when he was very young had tubes in his ears... it was explained to me as very common (thought later as risky somewhat) because kid's ear tubes are straight so they don't drain... also he was in the ocean a lot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:26:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: guns: (njc) Thank you julius for posting these stats... I was trying to remember off the top of my head the real truth vs perceived truth regarding guns ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:38:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: guns: (njc) >I come from a family of soldiers and law enforcement people. The idea of outlawing guns seems crazy. It means that only the bad guys would still have guns!< ya'll are probably done with this thread by now but my 2 cents are that it is not a good guy vz bad guy world anymore... the good guys sometimes look like the bad guys & indeed they are ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:58:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Guns njc >How likely is it that house invaders are going to show up at your house? Are you going to sit there at the door, gun in hand, waiting for the chance they just might show up? Do you call that living?< Have been at home for two home invasions, know several others who have been in similar situations... nobody in any of these cases had a gun, & nobody was killed... traumatized yes... alive & coping well thanks Cheryl wheeler has a great song about gun violence... calling ashara! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #191 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)