From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #188 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 4 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 188 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- TNT Torrent [Ahmed Shoukry ] the guns thing..NJC [Lucy Hone ] Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) [Deb Messling ] hug and a kiss ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Guns njc [Em ] Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) [Smurf ] Re: JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: guns: (njc) ["Brad McMillan" ] RE: TNT Torrent ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Thank you Florida njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc [Lori Fye ] Re: guns: (njc) [Lori Fye ] Re: joni on guns [Lori Fye ] Re: Guns njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: guns: quoting Joni (njc) [Lori Fye ] Re: guns: (njc) ["Brad McMillan" ] Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC [Les Irvin ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc [Em ] Re: guns: (njc) [Em ] Re: Guns njc [Randy Remote ] JMDL Video Tree download...??? [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Guns njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: strange days indeed, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Guns njc [Smurf ] Re: Was: Joni on shelf / Now: Martha W -- njc [Garret ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc [jrmco1@aol.com] re: guns (njc) - and the "Moll Flanders" future of the U.S. ["mia ortlieb] Re: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC [Bob Muller ] the urge for going NJC [mags h ] Re: Bite Me Florida njc [Catherine McKay ] Joni's Memoirs ["Lindsay Moon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:17:55 +0200 From: Ahmed Shoukry Subject: TNT Torrent Hey all, I was wondering if it's possible to post the TNT concert as a torrent file, I really would love to see that concert. Thanks for the Video Tree Video, so great to actually see her sing those songs. Ahmed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:17:08 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: the guns thing..NJC Hi all Been in the internet doldrums so out of the loop for a bit.... Here in the UK we do not have a right to bear arms and may it ever remain so... Private citizens may own a gun for use in clubs, for game and pest shooting on private land but the issuing of a gun licence is at the hands of the local police force. The storage of guns and ammunition (even for replica and historic "black Powder" guns), is strictly controlled. Guns may not be carried as a matter of course. Some criminals have guns and they tend to shoot each other. Our police remain unarmed and very few are shot even when the criminals have arms... we (and they it appears) are just not used to firing on other people.... The most recent outrage two years ago, when an unarmed police man was shot, at point blank range after arresting a man for being in a stolen car, was actually by a US citizen living illegally in England who shot, for no reason, and killed, a young unarmed policeman. Boxing day 2003... absolutley terrible, a shock to the nation truly..... Our police became armed (in certain areas such as air ports and stations (why????) when the IRA...our long term live in terrorists.... made life a source of bemused unease for the UK public over a period of about 30 years ...as well as a bombing innocent people in London, Birmingham, Guildford and blowing up soldiers, military bandsmen and parade horses in Hyde Park..... (why they felt the need to do so is a long story of UK Irish relations and not about guns as such........) Visitors to the UK and to most of Europe find themselves pretty certain that they are unlikely to be threatened with a gun unless very very unlucky...nor will they be caught in the crossfire of a child custody dispute, shot just because you are a visitor to the country and dont understand the fear in the armed policeman who has stopped you and you dont know the drill for being approached for either being lost or speeding. But he is frightened because he is pretty sure the other person may have a gun and may use it. Why cant you all be brave and have fun at the firing range..it is great fun to off load something that goes BANG.... it IS fun... But I would never want to carry something that could kill a child by accident, be used accidentally in anger, be stolen by a criminal who burgled my house and then used to kill anyone else... I think one of the main differences with the UK and the US is this..and here will come brickbats on my head but it is a theory I have...and probably not original.... but Our civilisation here evolved without guns in the hands of private citizens and became part of our law... You can argue all you like about it being an elitist thing but we got settled by the Romans thousands of years ago.. and from then on in, mob rule came about with long pointy sticks and a lot of yelling... guns when they came about were in the hands of the gentry and private soldiers but not in the general ownership of the british citizen (unless you were rich..but also expected to have the intelligence and breeding to know how and when to fire) However ....... When the Brits and Germans and French and Dutch and Spanish and Norwegians and Swedes (and whoever else) came to the shores of the North American continent......they arrived into ancient civilisations who had not, at that time, any access to arms. Yes they were skilled hunters and warred amongst themselves and who, oddly enough..... did not really appreciate being pushed off their land by the white-ish man who came along with the the intention of claiming their land for their own....... The settlers had guns and boy oh boy did they kill off the "savages" and Wow they were extremely afraid once the "brownskins" got some guns for themselves............ And that is where it all comes from and the fear of "other" remains with a lot of people. The fear of losing all their possessions..the "GET OFF MY LAND" brigade.. the "KEEP OUT, HERE BE DRAGONS" xenophobes, the general cowards and people who are frightened. I would never settle anywhere where carrying a gun was allowed.... too much room for error, too little control over who has them and how they are obtained too many Columbine (and other) tragedies. Just too likely that you will end up looking down the barrel of a gun, in the hands of someone who will still shoot you anyway so you cant identify them if you lived........ No, guns have no place in the hands of citizens... when guns, not words are our exchange of dialogue then its more than feelings that can be wounded.... Lucy, late for work and glad that it is a day that is very unlikely to include any shootings in her county or country. Have a good one. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 06:28:10 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) Thanks for the heads-up; can't wait to read the interview. So, Joni's employing a ghost writer for her memoirs? I"m not surprised, since I don't see Joni as having the discipline required for a full length book. I hope we hear some remnants of Joni's own language, though, as I love her stories. At 01:01 AM 5/3/2005, you wrote: >Joni is working with someone who is helping her "write" > > her memoirs, using a tape recorder and working in what she > > calls "the oral tradition." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 03:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Guns njc That is of course a big part of the myth that the Pro-gun lobbyists throw out. If your home is targeted for a break-in, statistically it will be when you're not there - criminals, stupid though most of them are, know enough to avoid a direct confrontation. And of course, the first thing they'll get will be...your beloved gun, most likely so they can transfer it to the hands of another criminal. That is of course unless you live in Florida in which case you'll now have it in your hand ready to take out the first S.O.B. who gives you the evil eye. Also, statistically speaking, in homicides that occur in the home, you'll get killed by your own gun. Another comfort...Lennon was right about happiness being a warm gun - bang bang, shoot shoot. Bob NP: James Brown, "How Do You Stop" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 07:00:56 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: hug and a kiss I was in Media Play (a music, movie, book, etc. store) last weekend with my 4 year old twin neices (Bella and Connie). They had a mother's day craft project there, plus, their mother (my sister was there, she works there). . . . Before we were about to leave I said to the twins, " hold on, I want to go and see some Joni Mitchell." and Bella then says, "Can we give Joni a kiss and a hug?" (I have showed them a picture or two of her and have been singing Circle Game to them since they were babies). They sing along. Marianne ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Guns njc Catherine, since I'm the one that mentioned home invasions, I'm thinking maybe you are speaking to me on this. a. I don't own a gun b. we *are* paranoid about seemingly random drug-based crime; where I live has alot of this (and we've been victims), altho you are correct that actual home invasions are not an every day or even every month occurance. c. I would never ask anyone else to eat a gun or a pill or anything else, but I believe a person should be able to choose, if necessary, to check out. That's all. Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > House invasions. I don't know about where you live but > here, the house invasions tend to be either drug- and > gang-related; or they involve ethnic groups where > people keep large amounts of jewellery and cash at > home, because they don't trust the banks, and this > fact is known to certain criminal elements, who target > these individuals. It isn't random. > > How likely is it that house invaders are going to show > up at your house? Are you going to sit there at the > door, gun in hand, waiting for the chance they just > might show up? Do you call that living? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) Joni said she's: > working in > what she > > calls "the oral tradition." Gee, she can even make working with a ghostwriter sound good! - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Guns njc Its really hard being a fence straddler on this issue. Its hard when you see it both ways. Everyone on BOTH sides is so damn smart and well-spoken. Downright sporty. It continues to be difficult to not know what the absolute truth is. People get older and it would seem their conviction grows with time. They KNOW where they stand, and cannot/will not be swayed. Because they KNOW. I know that I don't really know. I know what my gut and my heart say, and they say guns are evil - stay away, you don't need that. "The devil's right hand" and all that. But sometimes my brain travels the other road. In the mean time I am happy to have a large dog (and a small dog). Em <<99.9% of the time follows heart and gut "sometimes you just do your best and compromise... " Dave Carter - --- Bob Muller wrote: > up at your house? Are you going to sit there at the > door, gun in hand, waiting for the chance they just > might show up? > > > That is of course a big part of the myth that the Pro-gun lobbyists > throw out. If your home is targeted for a break-in, statistically it > will be when you're not there - criminals, stupid though most of them > are, know enough to avoid a direct confrontation. And of course, the > first thing they'll get will be...your beloved gun, most likely so > they can transfer it to the hands of another criminal. That is of > course unless you live in Florida in which case you'll now have it in > your hand ready to take out the first S.O.B. who gives you the evil > eye. > > Also, statistically speaking, in homicides that occur in the home, > you'll get killed by your own gun. Another comfort...Lennon was right > about happiness being a warm gun - bang bang, shoot shoot. > > Bob > > NP: James Brown, "How Do You Stop" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:10:11 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed I'm seeding as fast as I can, Jeff. :-) Mark in Sydney NP Little River Band - "It's a Long Way There (Extended Version)" On 03/05/2005, at 5:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:09:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed It's a large file (3.61 gigs) and there are 2 seeds. I know it's been a long time, but when you finish Jeff, try to stay on to help those still downloading. And I, too, and seeding as fast as I can. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:10 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed I'm seeding as fast as I can, Jeff. :-) Mark in Sydney NP Little River Band - "It's a Long Way There (Extended Version)" On 03/05/2005, at 5:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: re: guns NJC As Bob said, this is NOT about the right to own guns. There is something deeply wrong with so-called legislation which allows and facilitates premeditated murder. A law which gives voice to all the paranoia that is festering from ground zero upwards. I've lived in the trenches, trust me, I know . I am mortified to know that ANYONE thinks it is okay to keep a loaded gun in the house, and makes a conscious choice to shoot someone on the other side of the door, just because the law says you can. Just because it's late at night, and there's someone at the door you are not expecting. Bang. Bang. He's dead. Mags npimh: Ricky Fitz : Never underestimate the power of denial. Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:06:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: guns: (njc) Bob Muller wrote: > But this circular discussion takes us farther away from the point, which is the new Florida law, which states that citizens have the right to fire and shoot at anyone they percieve is a threat! This is very different argument than the classic "Guns: Good or Bad" debate we have in these parts every so often.And the NRA is starting with Florida and wants to spread this goodwill gesture across the nation, and believe me they will NOT be satisfied until they get there - their lobbyists are among Washington's most powerful, and they've done a brilliant job of selling this "protect yourself with a gun" nonsense. Right on target, Bob. As we know from 9/11, a fearful population is a pliant one. Everyone armed to the teeth only increases the paranoia. - ------------------------------ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:43:19 -0400 From: "Brad McMillan" Subject: Re: guns: (njc) I gotta agree with you, that the Florida law you speak of, if it says what you say it does, does not sound like a good idea and does not bode well for our society. I have always felt that a person should be able to use deadly force to protect themselves or others, especially within their own home. But what you describe takes it way beyond common sense. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Brad McMillan" ; Cc: "Cynthia Vickery" ; "Em" ; ; Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: guns: (njc) > > > And that's true,all well & good. I work with guys who hunt and shoot skeet, they're great responsible guys and if they want to use firearms for recreation, good for them. Not my choice and they're cool with that as well, and I don't want to encroach on their freedom. > > But this circular discussion takes us farther away from the point, which is the new Florida law, which states that citizens have the right to fire and shoot at anyone they percieve is a threat! This is very different argument than the classic "Guns: Good or Bad" debate we have in these parts every so often.And the NRA is starting with Florida and wants to spread this goodwill gesture across the nation, and believe me they will NOT be satisfied until they get there - their lobbyists are among Washington's most powerful, and they've done a brilliant job of selling this "protect yourself with a gun" nonsense. > > When does it stop? Where do we finally draw the line and say "OK, now THIS is NOT a good idea"? > > If you haven't heard it, check out Ani's sadly excellent "To The Teeth", it's one of the first Ani tracks I heard and was a good sales tool for her masterful way with a lyric: > > http://www.danah.org/Ani/ToTheTeeth/ToTheTeeth.html > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Here For Now" 1/17/04 > Yahoo! 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Ahmed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:49:53 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Thank you Florida njc Brian shared: > The "Castle Doctrine" simply says that if a criminal breaks into your home, > your occupied vehicle, or your place of business, you may presume he or she is > there to do bodily harm and you may use necessary force against him or her. Anyone seen the movie "American Gun"? It's currently on Showtime. Starring James Coburn, it tells a very interesting tale about the "life" of one handgun. I urge everyone to see it. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:53:04 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc Bob wrote: > Sh*t, I thought SC was backwards but this really takes the cake. I agree, but leave to a Bush brother to do this kind of crap. After the recent news about a 5-year-old being handcuffed in Florida, I made the comment that we might consider cutting that state loose and letting it float away. Sorry Em, Jimmy, Jerry and others; it's just the way I'm feeling about Florida right now. You're all invited to come up to Maryland and live with me. (Not that nearby DC is any less insane, but I thought I'd at least make the offer.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:58:20 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: guns: (njc) Brad clarified for me: > I have to admit, SS was a big part of my retirement plan. When I first read Em's reference to SS, I thought she was talking about the Bush regime's similarity to the Hitler regime. Go figure. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:03:11 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: joni on guns Brian invites: > any jmdler who is interested in safely learning to handle and accurately use > pistols or rifles to join me as my guest at the indoor range in West Deptford > NJ (between exits 21 and 22 off I-295). They are open every day except Monday. > It's a lot of fun, stress relieving, and a whole lot safer than trying to escape from > the killer sofa ;-) Well ya know, sex and/or other exercise is a lot of fun, stress relieving, etc. What does learning how to handle and accurately use pistols or rifles have to do with supporting the new Florida gun law? You can shoot the perceived threat more safely and accurately, thereby using fewer bullets? Lori, bewildered ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Guns njc - --- Em wrote: > Catherine, since I'm the one that mentioned home > invasions, I'm > thinking maybe you are speaking to me on this. > > a. I don't own a gun > > b. we *are* paranoid about seemingly random > drug-based crime; where I > live has alot of this (and we've been victims), > altho you are correct > that actual home invasions are not an every day or > even every month > occurance. > > c. I would never ask anyone else to eat a gun or a > pill or anything > else, but I believe a person should be able to > choose, if necessary, to > check out. > > That's all. > Em Em, it wasn't particularly meant for you. I wasn't responding to any one post, but to a bunch of them about the same issue. I do find it kind of alarming when people focus on one or two issues as a source of paranoia. It's at times like those, that people have to step back, take a deep breath and ask themselves just how likely is it that such-and-such will occur. Having gone through a number of anxiety attacks from time to time myself, and having a son who was having a lot of problems with that a few years ago, it's important to stop and do a reality check about how likely it is that you are going to be in a situation where someone is facing you with a gun, and whether or not your having one on you at the time is going to help the situation or only make it worse. There are SO many things that we could easily become paranoid about, and that paranoia can prevent you from enjoying life. Having your own gun isn't going to protect you from being caught in the cross-fire of a random incident on the street or in a restaurant or on a bus, where Felon A is out to get Felon B because A pissed him off, or stole his drugs or his girlfriend, or made fun of his mother, or looked at him the wrong way. It's not going to protect you if you're sitting watching TV and a bunch of a**holes burst into your home, regardless of whether you own a gun or not. Neither is it going to protect you from being hit by a car as you cross the street, or by a piece of debris falling off a building construction site, or by some guy in a parachute crashing through your roof onto your kitchen table during dinner, or by an out-of-control car crashing into your living room, or any one of a number of other freak, weird accidents that no one could predict. Sometimes shit just happens and it's not something you can foresee. My house has been broken into. As with most of these cases, we weren't home at the time and they didn't get much but a few pieces of jewellery. It was nevertheless very frightening and disturbing. I don't think anyone has the right to walk into another person's home uninvited and help himself to that person's stuff. I wouldn't do it, and I don't expect other people to either. I feckin' hate it when people don't play fair but i keep forgetting that there are a number of people in this world that operate only in the reptilian brain. As far as the criminals with the guns are concerned, instead of making it EASIER for "law-abiding" citizens to buy them, they should make it harder for ANYONE to get them. They should crack down relentlessly on anyone found in possession of them, and destroy the weapons, and throw those that have them in jail for a long time. I'm not against people doing themselves in, if they're in intractable pain and are going to die anyway. I'm kind of thinking morphine might be the way to go but, with my luck, I'll turn out to be allergic to it and instead of dying peacefully, I'll erupt in hives and have to scratch myself to death, which might be funny if it weren't so darn annoying. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:07:30 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: guns: quoting Joni (njc) < Hi Anne, no guns here..have never owned one...but sometimes I think it > might be best to have one. > While my neighborhood is not as rough as what you describe, it is > fairly rough - home invasions, for instance are not uncommon. And we do > hear gunfire from time to time. No clue who's shooting. Em honey, this is why people MOVE to safer neighborhoods. I once bought a house in San Antonio on the south side of downtown, and almost every night there were shots fired in the surrounding blocks. Even though my then-partner and I each owned a (loaded) pistol, I ended up moving out in very short order. I just couldn't deal with not feeling safe in my own yard. Lori, who, yes, does have 3 pistols in the house and who might be considered a hypocrite ... the jury is currently in deliberation as to what Mary and I might do with those guns ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:21:18 -0400 From: "Brad McMillan" Subject: Re: guns: (njc) It's funny how our personal point of view or slant can act as a filter that changes our perceptions of incoming info. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: guns: (njc) > Brad clarified for me: > > > I have to admit, SS was a big part of my retirement plan. > > When I first read Em's reference to SS, I thought she was talking about the > Bush regime's similarity to the Hitler regime. > > Go figure. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:25:48 -0500 From: Les Irvin Subject: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC Thought you weren't a good enough singer to release a CD? Think again: http://cdbaby.com/cd/bowtiebarstow I recommend listening to "The First Noel" for starters. And order early for Christmas. Les, feeling better about his voice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc hey, it ain't much but its home. And I'm not leaving til the last crazy scamming mofo pries my butt up and into the gulf. But I agree its gotten mighty scary. If I wanted to be a rude person I would say "hey ya'll, bite my Florida", paraphrasing B. Kliban (remember him?) But I won't do it. Anyway having Florida to compare yourselves to probably makes you feel better about your own disfunction. So have at it. Em ps: Lori I'm sure there are a few people who would mind cutting DC out and letting it float away either...not exactly the center of all that is good and pure - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Bob wrote: > > > Sh*t, I thought SC was backwards but this really takes the cake. > > I agree, but leave to a Bush brother to do this kind of crap. > > After the recent news about a 5-year-old being handcuffed in Florida, > I made > the comment that we might consider cutting that state loose and > letting it > float away. > > Sorry Em, Jimmy, Jerry and others; it's just the way I'm feeling > about > Florida right now. You're all invited to come up to Maryland and live > with > me. (Not that nearby DC is any less insane, but I thought I'd at > least make > the offer.) > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: guns: (njc) and to think I was worried people would think I meant an old Super Sport Chevy. (SS) lol.. Em - --- Brad McMillan wrote: > It's funny how our personal point of view or slant can act as a > filter that > changes our perceptions of incoming info. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lori Fye" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: guns: (njc) > > > > Brad clarified for me: > > > > > I have to admit, SS was a big part of my retirement plan. > > > > When I first read Em's reference to SS, I thought she was talking > about > the > > Bush regime's similarity to the Hitler regime. > > > > Go figure. > > > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:18:04 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Guns njc Bob Muller wrote: > ..Lennon was right about happiness being a warm gun - bang bang, shoot shoot. > "She's not a girl who misses much" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:19:55 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: JMDL Video Tree download...??? I'm sorry...I must have been riding one of those air pockets in my brain. I completely missed the Video Tree download. What is it, how do I get it, is the quality good, and how long does it take to download? Help...I need particulars. Somebody...anybody? Jonily Yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:42:44 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC Dear Sexy Legs, Les, this is absolutely hysterical. And who were those critics???????? Is it some kind of joke, can they possible not tell that this chap has no sense of timing and can't carry a tune in a bucket? Comparisons to Dean Martin & Bing Crosby - on what planet? Anyway, thanks for the LOL, really made my day and yes even boosted my self esteem. love, db >>> Les Irvin 5/3/2005 11:25:48 AM >>> Thought you weren't a good enough singer to release a CD? Think again: http://cdbaby.com/cd/bowtiebarstow I recommend listening to "The First Noel" for starters. And order early for Christmas. Les, feeling better about his voice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:38:28 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc > ps: Lori I'm sure there are a few people who would [not] mind cutting DC out > and letting it float away either...not exactly the center of all that > is good and pure Yup. That's exactly why I only work here, and do not live here. (Sorry, Janet H. and Bill D. and anyone else who chooses to live in DC.) Here's a "Letter to the Editor" that I read in today's Washington Post Express, which is handed out to Metro riders in the mornings ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/express/pdfs/EXPRESS_05032005.pdf): Why Spend on Baseball? It is perplexing to me that D.C. can find funds for a baseball stadium but nothing to bail out its hospitals or homeless shelters. It's past time for D.C. to do some good -- or do we need Mayor Barry back to do it? - -- Margie McGhee, Largo, Md. You know things are bad in DC if people are wishing crack-smoking Marion Barry would return to the mayor's office. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Guns njc Or, Hey Bungelow Bill, What did you kill, Bungelow Bill. Randy Remote said: > Bob Muller wrote: > >> ..Lennon was right about happiness being a warm gun - bang bang, shoot >> shoot. >> > > "She's not a girl who misses much" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 17:43:02 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC Cracking up here....could ithis must be a joke.....??? I would like to order it just to annoy people. Bree hought you weren't a good enough singer to release a CD? Think again: > >http://cdbaby.com/cd/bowtiebarstow > >I recommend listening to "The First Noel" for starters. And order >early for Christmas. > >Les, feeling better about his voice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: re: guns NJC hey thanks so much for your insight Brian. I stand firmly in my belief that the Florida law is WRONG,.. I have that RIGHT here in this country to express my views freely. yep, back where I want to be. Home. Safe. Free. Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:13:51 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: strange days indeed, njc A Feng Shuier wrote: Today is May 2nd. . and it is a special day! A world holiday, since 1989 presenting: "gIVE it bACK dAY." today is the day to give back what you have borrowed! Today is May 3rd, bRING it bACK dAY. Tooday all must dance in the dark of night and sing to the mornin' light. I'm going to a bRING it bACK dAY party tonight and will do just that. iHOP in the middle of the night, a watch party, to watch as a lady I sponsor in AA enters her second year of sobriety. A one year birthday party with pancakes and the works as sobriety brings the balance back. A celebration of sobriety... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Guns njc I wanted to stay out of this, but I have to say that this is a wonderful post, Catherine, as was Mullers, Em's, and everyone's, really. I loved your "ending": << I'm > kind of thinking morphine might be the way to go > but, > with my luck, I'll turn out to be allergic to it and > instead of dying peacefully, I'll erupt in hives and > have to scratch myself to death, which might be > funny > if it weren't so darn annoying. >> Talk about scratching for your immortality! (Or mortality, in this case.) - --Smurf > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:44:42 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Was: Joni on shelf / Now: Martha W -- njc Quoting Smurf : > I love "Dinner at 8." Don't know about "Bloody Mother > F***ing A**hole" yet, though. Not sure about the > Martha album either. I've only heard it once and I was > a little disappointed. > Rufus really is hitting us with some great stuff. I quite like Martha's album. It's not perfect and it's not the most moving album you could buy, but it is good pop music. I do like Bloody MOther F***ing A**hole. The throaty way in which she releases the lines " I will not pretend I will not put on a smile I will not say I'm all right for you" really appeals to me. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:32:18 -0400 From: "Brad McMillan" Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc Wasn't Kliban the guy who drew the funny kitty cat cartoons? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "jonilist" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc > hey, it ain't much but its home. And I'm not leaving til the last crazy > scamming mofo pries my butt up and into the gulf. > But I agree its gotten mighty scary. > If I wanted to be a rude person I would say "hey ya'll, bite my > Florida", paraphrasing B. Kliban (remember him?) > But I won't do it. Anyway having Florida to compare yourselves to > probably makes you feel better about your own disfunction. So have at > it. > Em > ps: Lori I'm sure there are a few people who would mind cutting DC out > and letting it float away either...not exactly the center of all that > is good and pure > > > --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > Bob wrote: > > > > > Sh*t, I thought SC was backwards but this really takes the cake. > > > > I agree, but leave to a Bush brother to do this kind of crap. > > > > After the recent news about a 5-year-old being handcuffed in Florida, > > I made > > the comment that we might consider cutting that state loose and > > letting it > > float away. > > > > Sorry Em, Jimmy, Jerry and others; it's just the way I'm feeling > > about > > Florida right now. You're all invited to come up to Maryland and live > > with > > me. (Not that nearby DC is any less insane, but I thought I'd at > > least make > > the offer.) > > > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:26:25 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc Hey, nothing personal against the Sunshine State, Emmy. (Good movie, by the way, "Sunshine State," directed by John Sayles.) I'm a Californian now, and if you want squalor, boy howdy, come on over to Oakland, or Richmond, or certain parts of my San Francisco. If you step off the bus in, say, the Tenderloin area, you might just leave your heart in my city by the bay...and your lungs, and kidneys and liver, thank-you-very-much. Which reminds me, please, all you gun owners...be a donor if, heaven forbid, you should shuffle off your own mortal coil, or that of a family member on accident. Thanks. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Em To: jonilist Sent: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc hey, it ain't much but its home. And I'm not leaving til the last crazy scamming mofo pries my butt up and into the gulf. But I agree its gotten mighty scary. If I wanted to be a rude person I would say "hey ya'll, bite my Florida", paraphrasing B. Kliban (remember him?) But I won't do it. Anyway having Florida to compare yourselves to probably makes you feel better about your own disfunction. So have at it. Em ps: Lori I'm sure there are a few people who would mind cutting DC out and letting it float away either...not exactly the center of all that is good and pure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:13:19 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: guns (njc) - and the "Moll Flanders" future of the U.S. Stuff like this really depresses me. I can't help but think that this is just another sneaky step by the country's elite to fast forward and be well-prepared for the oncoming "Moll Flander's" future of the United States. I mean seriously, at the rate we are going, the middle class will be completely wiped out in the near future. When that happens, we will only have two classes - the very wealthy and the Wretched. Just like in the "Moll Flanders" novel - there will be no possible way for the Wretched to climb up as there will be no middle class to jump to - no hope. So they must resort to crime just to support their wretched existence. With these new gun laws, the wealthy will have no problem warding off the Wretched who claw at their feet - like termites on a log. Am I losing it? Maybe.... I need sleep desperately. I promise my next post will be a *positive* one... Mia Bob wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Automatic self-esteem booster. NJC Les, using his "email address of the month" wrote: Wow - this is unbelievably bad. And it's KILLING me that he doesn't do a River cover on this CD...the line "I made my baby cry, I made my baby say good-bye" would take on a whole 'nuther meaning. Question: What led you to check out this CD? And you're right - you don't need to be able to sing Do-Re-Mi to release a CD, you just need to have it. Bob NP: LaVern Baker, "Jim Dandy" Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: the urge for going NJC Ive got the urge for going now, and it's truly time to.......... go. love to all of you who have been brilliant bright stars in my skye. mags. xx Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bite Me Florida njc - --- Brad McMillan wrote: > Wasn't Kliban the guy who drew the funny kitty cat > cartoons? Yep, that's the guy. "Love to eat them mousies Mousies what I love to eat Bite they little heads off Nibble on they tiny feet." and a whole lot of other weird shite. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:21:12 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni's Memoirs < Subject: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) Just wanted to alert JMDLers that New York magazine has an interview with Joni in this week's issue. The article is accompanied by the William Claxton photo of Joni from a few years ago (the one that ran in that dreadful-- to my mind--article about her in W magazine, also a few years back). It crossed my desk and haven't yet had an opportunity to spend time with the article, but one thing of interest I did glean: Joni is working with someone who is helping her "write" her memoirs, using a tape recorder and working in what she calls "the oral tradition." Jack>> Well??!! Do they have a transcriptionist for all these tapes (and I'm sure there will be plenty)?? Les, please use your "connections" to throw my name in the ring! I think I have the chops! Lindsay ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #188 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)