From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 187 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni on shelf [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs, NJC now [Bob Muller ] RE: Joni on shelf [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni on shelf [LCStanley7@aol.com] Was: Joni on shelf / Now: the coveted Patti Boyd to Loudon? -- njc [Smurf] RE: Joni on shelf [Smurf ] RE: Joni on shelf [Bob Muller ] look out for those clouds -- njc [Smurf ] Guns njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Birthdays - NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs, NJC now [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:32:11 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Joni on shelf Hi Rich I guess that the Tlog version holds no surprises - we know it's a tragic story because the music tells us so, whereas the NRG version (I mean NRH) sounds like a sweet story about a misunderstood playfriend until you get to the abusive part. Much more shocking I guess. Perhaps a misreading on the Mendoza version. Also, singing Cherokee Louise at the speed she sang it on NRH is really difficult, you have to be really on top form linguistically to be singing 'flashlights and batteries' and be understood without getting garbled. But that's my excuse of slowing it down! I never sing it at speed. I would give the Geffen Box a good long listen. get yourself a pair of good quality earphones (I prefer the 'inner-ear' type that cut out all of the outside noise) or some headphones and try it out. It makes a difference. Of course, it's never going to change your mind about DED if you didn't like it in the first place... I did so the experience is much better... Much Joni - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I got my SoaPGirl and dutifully listened to her. > What do you all think of > the TLog version of "Cherokee Louise"? I think it's > insipid and > melodramatic, in case you wondered. The jauntier NRH > version is way more > powerful--Joni understood irony then. > > The sound of the disc (SoaPGirlis very nice and the > new Paprika Plains a > good listening experience-- I guess overall I don't > feel quite so ripped off > as I did by the previous compilations. > > I haven't yet been able to bring myself to listen to > the Geffen box I got > for 24.99 plus tax, title and dealer prep on > Ebay--somehow I always find > something I'd rather listen to. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs, NJC now While this would SEEM to be an archaic reference, Wurlitzer is alive and well: http://www.deutsche-wurlitzerusa.com/ Looks like their US distribution center is in Gurnee, IL. Still lots of nice jukeboxes, obviously now filled with digital tunes and not big-hole 45's. Don't know if they still take quarters...the Wurlitzer jukebox down at Barley's only takes dollars I think. I used to love playing all the "B" sides just to expose the songs that nobody else ever picked, but then again being a Joni fan I'm...you know...different. Bob NP: Ani, "Names & Dates" 1/17/04 Make Yahoo! your home page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: guns: (njc) And that's true,all well & good. I work with guys who hunt and shoot skeet, they're great responsible guys and if they want to use firearms for recreation, good for them. Not my choice and they're cool with that as well, and I don't want to encroach on their freedom. But this circular discussion takes us farther away from the point, which is the new Florida law, which states that citizens have the right to fire and shoot at anyone they percieve is a threat! This is very different argument than the classic "Guns: Good or Bad" debate we have in these parts every so often.And the NRA is starting with Florida and wants to spread this goodwill gesture across the nation, and believe me they will NOT be satisfied until they get there - their lobbyists are among Washington's most powerful, and they've done a brilliant job of selling this "protect yourself with a gun" nonsense. When does it stop? Where do we finally draw the line and say "OK, now THIS is NOT a good idea"? If you haven't heard it, check out Ani's sadly excellent "To The Teeth", it's one of the first Ani tracks I heard and was a good sales tool for her masterful way with a lyric: http://www.danah.org/Ani/ToTheTeeth/ToTheTeeth.html Bob NP: Ani, "Here For Now" 1/17/04 Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Joni on shelf I still can't get over the fact that this quiet intimate song was given such a heavy-handed and totally inappropriate orchestral treatment. It's almost as if I was to tell someone a secret, and then see it on the front page the next day...No...this should be quiet, not symphonic fer crissakes. Perhaps a quartet or a lone cello or something would have worked, but why? The NRH version got the job done. Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:34:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on shelf In a message dated 5/2/2005 5:32:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk writes: I would give the Geffen Box a good long listen. get yourself a pair of good quality earphones I second the motion and agree good earphones are a must. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:38:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Was: Joni on shelf / Now: the coveted Patti Boyd to Loudon? -- njc Garret wrote: > NP- Rufus Wainwright, Dinner At 8 This reminds me... You know how we've talked about Patti Boyd being the inspiration for so many huge hits? (I think there have been three megahits inspired by her.) Well, if Loudon's son Rufus' "Dinner at 8" and his loving daughter Martha's new tribute, "Bloody Mother F***ing A**hole" become big hits, Loudon will be within striking distance of tying with Patti for the award. He probably won't be winning any good parenting recognition, though. I love "Dinner at 8." Don't know about "Bloody Mother F***ing A**hole" yet, though. Not sure about the Martha album either. I've only heard it once and I was a little disappointed. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Joni on shelf Muller wrote about "Cherokee Louise": > this should be quiet, not symphonic fer > crissakes. Perhaps a quartet or a lone cello or > something would have worked, but why? The NRH > version got the job done. > I think it's interesting to note here that another of Joni's very sad songs of abuse, "The Magdalena Laundries," was very much improved by collaboration with the Chieftains. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Joni on shelf Good point, and one with which I concur. The accompaniment in The Chieftains case is an enhancement and not an encumbrance. It retains the tone of the song..it's appropriate. By the same token, The Dawntreader, though lovely in its original release, is made fuller & more complete via it's treatment in Tlog. It's appropriate to have all those myriads of sounds in the recording, unlike Cherokee Louise. Bob NP: Guided By Voices, "Hold On Hope" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: look out for those clouds -- njc http://www.ephemeranow.com/cars/cars250.htm Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Guns njc The way some people think they need, and have a right to own, guns to "defend" themselves is mind-boggling to me. I guess you have to be American to get it. You would think that home invaders and criminals intent on getting YOU are everywhere. The level of paranoia reminds me of the early days of AIDS or some other disease, where it was already fairly well established that certain criteria had to be met, and the odds of contracting it any other way were remote. We have our share of illegal guns up here, more now than ever. There have been quite a number of incidents of gangstyle shootouts and guys opening fire on other guys that may have dissed them, or gave them a dirty look or something, coincidentally shooting innocent people who just happened to be in the way. A little girl was shot on a crowded bus a month or two ago by an a**hole who didn't like the way some other guy was looking at him and decided to shoot him. The little girl was shot in the eye. She's going to live, but she's blind in one eye. I suppose if one of you defenders were there, maybe you could have shot the other guy first, and you'd be such a good shot that no one else would have been caught in the crossfire. House invasions. I don't know about where you live but here, the house invasions tend to be either drug- and gang-related; or they involve ethnic groups where people keep large amounts of jewellery and cash at home, because they don't trust the banks, and this fact is known to certain criminal elements, who target these individuals. It isn't random. How likely is it that house invaders are going to show up at your house? Are you going to sit there at the door, gun in hand, waiting for the chance they just might show up? Do you call that living? Eating a gun? No thanks. I'm sure I wouldn't like the taste. And it would mess up my hair. I want to leave a good-looking corpse, thank you very much. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:04:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Birthdays - NJC Joseph Palis wrote: > Wow! > Judy Collins still hits the high notes effortlessly. Jazz singer Shirley Horn turned 71 yesterday too. Is Pete Seeger still recording? I've heard something recent from him on the radio-I'm pretty sure it was recorded after the start of the invasion of Iraq. It's a song of his called "Bring 'Em Home" (?), swapping verses with Steve Earle and some other artists I don't remember. RR ps Wavy Gravy turns 69 soon, they're having a Seva benefit concert/party for him at the Berkeley Community Theater where Joni performed in the 70's. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:08:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs, NJC now Reel to reels are still in use, too; mainly in the most expensive studios. Typically tracks are recorded to a digital medium, then mixed down onto tape to give it the much coveted 'analog warmth' and tape compression. Bob Muller wrote: > Richard: > "...put a quarter in the Wurlitzer" > What's a Wurlitzer Grandpa?> > > While this would SEEM to be an archaic reference, Wurlitzer is alive and well: > > http://www.deutsche-wurlitzerusa.com/ > > Looks like their US distribution center is in Gurnee, IL. Still lots of nice jukeboxes, obviously now filled with digital tunes and not big-hole 45's. Don't know if they still take quarters...the Wurlitzer jukebox down at Barley's only takes dollars I think. > > I used to love playing all the "B" sides just to expose the songs that nobody else ever picked, but then again being a Joni fan I'm...you know...different. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Names & Dates" 1/17/04 > Make Yahoo! your home page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 20:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Guns njc - --- Catherine writes: > How likely is it that house invaders are going to > show > up at your house? My mother always used to say that if burglars broke into our house they'd probably take a look around and say, "Let's go buy these poor bastards something nice." And while we're on the subject of Florida and break-ins, here's a story from today's St. Petersburg Times about a Florida burglar who luckily wasn't shot today, although his life doesn't seem to be going so smoothly otherwise: Deputies report rampage of naked, shocking behavior An Inverness man broke into a home, threatened neighbors and put his fingers in a socket, deputies say. By ABBIE VANSICKLE Published May 2, 2005 INVERNESS - An Inverness man was arrested Saturday after breaking into his neighbors' house and threatening them, shocking himself by sticking his fingers into a lamp socket, threatening a deputy with a metal rod, running naked through his yard and chewing through a cable in a patrol car, authorities said. Authorities arrested Shyne Harris Phelps, 39, of 2510 Jupiter St., at 1:45 a.m., on charges of kidnapping, burglary of a dwelling, aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer with intent to commit a felony, resisting an officer with violence, battery and criminal mischief, an arrest report said. Deputies were called to a home on East Dawson Drive, just behind Beall's, at 1:35 a.m. after getting a call of a burglary in progress. On arrival, Deputy Lynn Tabb saw several people standing in the yard, pointing and yelling. Then he heard something hit the rear passenger side of the patrol car. When Tabb turned, he saw a man holding a metal rod and wearing only a sheet wrapped around his waist, a report said. He was yelling that he was "ready to go to jail." Tabb got out of his car and ordered the man to drop the rod. He did, but quickly picked it up again and made a threatening gesture. Tabb pulled his gun. The man dropped the rod but shouted that he was "ready to die" and took off running. The man tried to scale a chain-link fence to get back to his home on the adjoining property. The deputy fired a Taser at him, but it didn't connect. The man threw dirt and rocks in the deputy's face, the report said. The suspect made it over the fence, losing his sheet in the process and sprinted, naked, into his home, the report said. Neighbors told Tabb that the man had several guns in the house, but the suspect soon came out of the house and was arrested without further incident. Four people told deputies that the man came into their home after the family called the Sheriff's Office to complain about noise at Phelps' house. The man came in through the back door, they said, and grabbed them and shouted, "It is time for you to die." As he tried to force one of the family members out of the home, one of the victims shot him with a Taser. That just caused the intruder to demand to be shocked some more. He grabbed a lamp, unscrewed the bulb and stuck his fingers in, shocking himself and yelling. After Phelps was arrested, deputies say he damaged the patrol car by biting through a cable cord in the back seat. Phelps was taken to Citrus Memorial Hospital and then booked into the county jail. He was held without bail. - --Abbie VanSickle can be reached at 860-7312 or vansickle@sptimes.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:01:37 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) J Harney wrote: > Just wanted to alert JMDLers that New York magazine > has an interview with Joni in this week's issue. The > article is accompanied by the William Claxton photo of > Joni from a few years ago (the one that ran in that dreadful-- > to my mind--article about her in W magazine, also a few years > back). It crossed my desk and haven't yet had an opportunity > to spend time with the article, but one thing of interest I did > glean: Joni is working with someone who is helping her "write" > her memoirs, using a tape recorder and working in what she > calls "the oral tradition." She has mentioned doing an autobiography before, but this is the first news as far as I know that she is actually doing it. This is a good method, I would think. Thanks, Jack. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:06:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: guns: (njc) Bob Muller wrote: > But this circular discussion takes us farther away from the point, which is the new Florida law, which states that citizens have the right to fire and shoot at anyone they percieve is a threat! This is very different argument than the classic "Guns: Good or Bad" debate we have in these parts every so often.And the NRA is starting with Florida and wants to spread this goodwill gesture across the nation, and believe me they will NOT be satisfied until they get there - their lobbyists are among Washington's most powerful, and they've done a brilliant job of selling this "protect yourself with a gun" nonsense. Right on target, Bob. As we know from 9/11, a fearful population is a pliant one. Everyone armed to the teeth only increases the paranoia. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #187 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)