From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #182 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 1 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 182 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Julius and Joni ["William Waddell" ] Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music [Catherine McKay ] Dream collaborations [Garret ] Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music, now 'feck' - njc ["Ger] WOW Patti Smith's London meltdown festival njc [Garret ] Re: Dream collaborations njc [Garret ] Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music [ron ] Re: Rolling Stone [Randy Remote ] Speaking of Tori.... [Bob Muller ] Alanis at Starbucks ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] DVD question NJC [Em ] "Dated" terms in Joni's songs, njc really, short & pointless ["Lama, Jim ] Re: DVD question NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: DVD question NJC [Em ] Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Lori Fye ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Catherine McKay ] Re: swingin' chicks of the 60s [jrmco1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:10:16 +0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Julius and Joni Julius Julius Julius! The photo of you and Joni is just wonderful! Thanks for sharing it. I am so pleased for you not to mention extremely envious. I take back everything I said about the CTV pic - she looks fab and of course overwhelmed at meeting a JMDLer! I recently had my pic taken with Rufus Wainwright - my that was a buzz as I always get so star struck, but to meet Joni! Well done and thanks again. WtS x _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music - --- Randy Remote wrote: > "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > > > Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a > tune called "Do Your > > Duty" which contained this charming couplet: > > "When your down on your luck, > > give you lover your last f. > > Do your duty." > > > > Grace might be in the running too? > > The lyrics (published anyway) are: > If you want to have some love > Give your baby your last buck > Don't come quackin' like a duck > Do your duty > > Maybe Ms Smith changed it, I'm guessing it's a > misheard. I haven't heard this song, but on reading the lyrics, does anyone else hear: If there's one rule to this game Everybody's gonna name, it's BE COOL! ? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:31:32 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: from just-ice to just re-released joni music, now "feck" - njc I haven't been following this thread all that closely, but in the lyrics printed in the _Volunteers_ album, it says "Up against the wall, Fred!" RCA ended up allowing "motherfucker" on the lp, but not in print. I always assumed that the title of Grace Slick's song "Hey Frederick" ("Either go away / or go all the way in / look at what you hold") was a similar euphemism, and was happy to seem this interpretation advanced as a possibility (though not a certainty) in Jeff Tamarkin's splendid book _Got a Revolution! The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane_: the title "may or may not be in keeping with the latest Airplane in-joke whereby the word 'fuck' was replaced by the name Fred to keep the censors happy," writes Tamarkin. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of hell Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:33 AM To: Smurf; Randy Remote; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: from just-ice to just re-released joni music, now "feck" - njc Smurf wrote: > Paz may have raised "fecking" to an art form, but he > can't be creditied with inventing the word. > > And I thought "feck" was introduced by Hell at a > Jonifest, so I assumed it was a NZ thing. Not guilty. If I'm going to swear, I do it properly - not with some silly, namby-pamby "sounds like" word. Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:27:19 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) I also saw Sting a few weeks ago and it was one of the better Sting concerts I've seen over the years (mayb 8-9 times in all). One small correction: the "two young guitarists" were not so young. The main one is Sting's long-time guitarist of at least ten years Dominic Miller. His own record was released a couple of years ago. e ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:44:39 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music, now "feck" - njc Yup, i've been saying feck as long as i can speak as a substitute for fu*k. It was either feck or sugar around my parents:-) GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Alabama - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:54:34 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Joni on shelf Following recent mention on the list that few of Joni's albums are stocked by many of the high street music stores i decided to check it out for myself, and was pleasantly surprised. In Dublin, Joni's catalogue is well represented in most places. In VIrgin there was one copy of T'log, one TBoS, and 3 BSNs. Choice pickings. I looked in two Golden Discs stores. They had a lot of the 70s albums and the last few releases. They had S&L, Refuge of the Road, PWWAM, and WOHAM in teh DVD section. I was so impressed with this that i bought Refuge of the Roads. It was a little disappointing. Both HMV and Tower Records (i tried two of each; one Tower had a poor selection) had most of Joni's albums. HMV had numerous copies of Blue, Hejira, and LOTC at a sale price, and had multiple copies of HOSL, C&S, HOSL, MOA, S&L, BSN. and then one of most of the others. BSN, T'Log, Dreamland, TBOS are particularly well stocked. In three of the stores i looked in people were looking through Joni's albums. Do i have too much time on my hands? GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Break It Up - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:01:20 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Dream collaborations Joni performing with Tom Waits Patti Smith performing with Nick Cave or Leonard Cohen Gillian Welch and Neil Young Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright Fiona Apple and Bjork Patti Smith and Thom Yorke Sinead O Connor and Damian Rice Belle & Sebastian and Rufus Wainwright Bruce Springsteen and Chrissie Hynde GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Land - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:50:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music, now 'feck' - njc We said fletch. The F-word was never used. When the old high school gang got together for Thanksgiving break when we were all freshmen in college, many had gone away to school. It was there I heard one of my friends use it for the first time. By then, it was cool. Jerry Garret said: > Yup, i've been saying feck as long as i can speak as a substitute for > fu*k. It > was either feck or sugar around my parents:-) > GARRET > > NP- Patti Smith, Alabama > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:08:53 +0100 From: Garret Subject: WOW Patti Smith's London meltdown festival njc I just got an email from the Royal Festival Hall. I think i've gone into Patti Smith mode, lol. She is the artistic director of this year's meltdown festival. What i would give to be living in london again so i could get to the whole festival. I will definitely try to get to see some of this. I would love to get to the Sat June 18th event..... doesn't that sound like one of the coolest events ever? More attractive to me is the event on Saturday June 25th.... all i can say is Oh My God i think i will die if i don't stop smiling soon. I am very excited about this. Just imagine if Joni (could) perform the Blue album. Not sure if i should make phone bookings or do it online. maybe i'll try both. Friday 17th June: RFH: Rachid Taha with special guest Patti Smith QEH: Yoko Ono Saturday 18th June: RFH: Songs of Innocence Protest Songs and Lullabies Feat. Patti Smith, Sinead O'Connor, Beth Orton, Kristin Hersh (Throwing Muses) QEH: Billy Bragg Sunday 19th June: RFH: Steve Earle & Patti Smith Wednesday 22nd June: QEH: The Coral Sea Feat. Patti Smith, Cat Power and Kevin Shields (My Bloody Valentine) Thursday 23rd June: RFH: Stand Bravely Brothers A homage to Berthold Brecht Feat. Patti Smith, Marc Almond, Neil & Tim Finn, Antony & The Johnsons, Dresden Dolls, London Sinfonietta Friday 24th June: QEH: Antony & The Johnsons Saturday 25th June: RFH: Patti Smith performs Horses With special guest John Cale Sunday 26th June: RFH: Songs Of Experience The work of Jimi Hendrix and the music that inspired him Feat. Patti Smith, Jeff Beck, Flea & John Frusciante (Red Hot Chilli Peppers) and many more RFH L2 Foyer (Dogleg Bay) An Exhibition of Patti Smith's photos Many more events RFH to be announced Tickets go onsale at 9am on Thursday 5th May Box Office : 08703 808 300 www.rfh.org.uk/meltdown Media Partner The Observer - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Dream collaborations Garret said: > Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright This one I saw a few years back here in Florida. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:42:45 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Dream collaborations njc Quoting "Gerald A. Notaro" : > Garret said: > > Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright > > This one I saw a few years back here in Florida. > > Jerry > I am impressed. What did they do? Was it great? GARRET NP- Ani DiFranco, as is - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:51:17 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) Ohhhh....I was wondering who Dominic Miller was!!! I was on Sting's website and briefly read a little bit about him. I was trying to guess all throughout the concert who he was. Thanks for the info! I'm glad you enjoyed the concert too! Wow! 8 or 9 times! That's great! Sherelle >From: "Music Is Special" >To: "Sherelle Smith" , >Subject: Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:27:19 -0500 > >I also saw Sting a few weeks ago and it was one of the better Sting >concerts >I've seen over the years (mayb 8-9 times in all). One small correction: the >"two young guitarists" were not so young. The main one is Sting's >long-time guitarist of at least ten years Dominic Miller. His own record >was released a couple of years ago. > >e ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Rolling Stone The new Rolling Stone has a story called A Whole Latte Music with a photo oh the Joni Starbucks cd. In it they refer to Joni as "the reclusive singer songwriter." God. Another label for her. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:06:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs Umm... "Breakfast Barney"? "Sign-off prayer"? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:25 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs I'm in the office listening to "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" on FTR and I hear Joni sing: If you're lying on the beach With the transistor going And it occurs to me that, while I often tell people that most of Joni's songs are so timeless that they could be released today, the word "transistor" might be a mystery to some younger people. When was the last time you saw a transistor radio in use? Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in Joni's songs"? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:31:53 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Dream collaborations njc Quoting "Gerald A. Notaro" : > He opened for her, but they didn't actually perform together. But on the > same stage on the same night! > Still really cool. I'd probably spend the whole show hoping that the other one would appear on stage and they play. I once saw Ben Folds open for the Divine Comedy. He was great. At the end of the divine comedy set Folds came back on stage and played with them, this was very good. Can't remeber exactly what they did. I remember Neil Hannon singing while FOlds played one of his songs, then Folds and hannon shared the singing on Songs of Love(part of which was used as the theme music to Father Ted, which is fecking gas btw). I had been disappointed with the DC show up to that point. They had played a lot of downbeat stuff and a lot of new, unreleased music and didn't really play the tunes most of us wanted to hear (the two other times i'd seen them it was a high-energy show full of the hits as well as lesser known material). I'm all for playing new music and for showcasing songs that don't usually make into a band's setlist, but this should be balanced by giving the audience at least a little of what they want (hell, even Joni played BYT and Woodstock well into the 1990s) GARRET NP- some awful Madonna song that my housemate is inflicting on the neighbourhood - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:31:18 +0200 From: ron Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music hi "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: >>>>>Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a tune called "Do Your Duty" which contained this charming couplet: "When your down on your luck, give you lover your last f. Do your duty." rory block sanitises (why is sanitation so closely linked to sanity???) it quite a bit If you want to have some love Baby give me your last hug Don't come quackin' like a duck Do your duty as much as i love rory's music - thats just plain ridiculous - especially when you consider the song & what its all about. talking about "up against the wall motherfucker" - rhino handmade has a david peel & the lower east side cd consisting of "have a marijuana", and "and the rest is history" plus two unreleased tracks. ron np -rory block - got to shine Randy Remote wrote: >"Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > > > >>Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a tune called "Do Your >>Duty" which contained this charming couplet: >>"When your down on your luck, >> give you lover your last f. >> Do your duty." >> >>Grace might be in the running too? >> >> > >The lyrics (published anyway) are: >If you want to have some love >Give your baby your last buck >Don't come quackin' like a duck >Do your duty > >Maybe Ms Smith changed it, I'm guessing it's a misheard. >You do score a point regarding Grace Slick, however- >She sang "Up Against the Wall Motherfucker" in chorus with her >bandmates on 1969's "Volunteers", trumping Lennon by a year. >There is a deliciously thorough discussion of the word here: >http://www.answers.com/topic/fuck >RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music, now 'feck' - njc dang! we said it in 4th grade already, at the episcopal church day school I went to. And I was an altar girl! I used to take great gobs of wax from the candles with me and sculpt Bob Dylan's nose during class. Well that was later, probably 7th grade. First time I EVER heard "feck" tho was in the flick "Almost Famous"..and there was of course an entire few seconds devoted to saying "feck". Now on JMDL i hear feck feck feck "all thee day".... as the little man in Twin Peaks used to say.... hey that rhymed...ok I'm psychotic... later, Em :P - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > We said fletch. The F-word was never used. When the old high school > gang > got together for Thanksgiving break when we were all freshmen in > college, > many had gone away to school. It was there I heard one of my friends > use > it for the first time. By then, it was cool. > > Jerry > > Garret said: > > Yup, i've been saying feck as long as i can speak as a substitute > for > > fu*k. It > > was either feck or sugar around my parents:-) > > GARRET > > > > NP- Patti Smith, Alabama > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:50:26 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) Dominic is the one on the left side of the stage (to Sting's right) who probably took all the solos at the show except one. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherelle Smith" To: ; Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) > Ohhhh....I was wondering who Dominic Miller was!!! I was on Sting's website > and briefly read a little bit about him. I was trying to guess all > throughout the concert who he was. Thanks for the info! I'm glad you > enjoyed the concert too! Wow! 8 or 9 times! That's great! > > Sherelle > > >From: "Music Is Special" > >To: "Sherelle Smith" , > >Subject: Re: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) > >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:27:19 -0500 > > > >I also saw Sting a few weeks ago and it was one of the better Sting > >concerts > >I've seen over the years (mayb 8-9 times in all). One small correction: the > >"two young guitarists" were not so young. The main one is Sting's > >long-time guitarist of at least ten years Dominic Miller. His own record > >was released a couple of years ago. > > > >e ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:54:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dream collaborations Or episodes of Celebrity Deathmatch Garret wrote: > Joni performing with Tom Waits > Patti Smith performing with Nick Cave or Leonard Cohen > Gillian Welch and Neil Young > Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright > Fiona Apple and Bjork > Patti Smith and Thom Yorke > Sinead O Connor and Damian Rice > Belle & Sebastian and Rufus Wainwright > Bruce Springsteen and Chrissie Hynde ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:56:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rolling Stone "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > The new Rolling Stone has a story called A Whole Latte Music with a photo > oh the Joni Starbucks cd. In it they refer to Joni as "the reclusive > singer songwriter." God. Another label for her. Wake up the editor-it should be "the reclusive FORMER singer- songwriter" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Speaking of Tori.... As has been reported in this space, Tori has performed The Cirdle Game on her latest tour - here's her version (very nice btw) from her concert on 4/15: http://www.hereinmyhead.com/sounds/index.html It's about 7th or 8th down the list, just click on the song title to hear it, or right click and choose "save target as" to download and save it. The quality is very good, good enough to include on the latest Covers volume I'm working on (#73). My hats off to the Tori fans who are very much on top of things! Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Styrofoam Plates" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Alanis at Starbucks Oh, No, Mr. Bill! Starbucks' new cd release is Jagged Little Pill Acoustic. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:40:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: DVD question NJC anybody ever buy a DVD and when you push play is says "error - playback feature may not be available on this disc"??? And this is on a commercial DVD, not a "burned" one or anything..its the Last Waltz - playing it the first time - and I am so disapointed. NEver had that happen before. Any clue for me? thx Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:41:50 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs, njc really, short & pointless LOL! Good one, Bob. Jim Bob Murphy pointed out 3 archaic words in Joni's canon: >"typewriters"> >"Negro"> >"love"> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: DVD question NJC Unfortunately, the DVD world is not universal. I had the same thing happen to me with the McGarrigle Hour DVD. Try pushing play as the tray closes. That sometimes works. Most incompatibilty issues involve the menu reading and execution. Good luck. Jerry Em said: > anybody ever buy a DVD and when you push play is says "error - playback > feature may not be available on this disc"??? > And this is on a commercial DVD, not a "burned" one or anything..its > the Last Waltz - playing it the first time - and I am so disapointed. > NEver had that happen before. Any clue for me? > thx > Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: DVD question NJC FUNNY you said that! I pressed play real quick as soon as the tray was in and it started. Didn't give it time to "confuse" itself, I guess. Thanks Jerry! Em ps oooo, I would have hated it if I had the McGarrigle Hour and that happened too! - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > Unfortunately, the DVD world is not universal. I had the same thing > happen > to me with the McGarrigle Hour DVD. Try pushing play as the tray > closes. > That sometimes works. Most incompatibilty issues involve the menu > reading > and execution. Good luck. > > Jerry > > Em said: > > anybody ever buy a DVD and when you push play is says "error - > playback > > feature may not be available on this disc"??? > > And this is on a commercial DVD, not a "burned" one or > anything..its > > the Last Waltz - playing it the first time - and I am so > disapointed. > > NEver had that happen before. Any clue for me? > > thx > > Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:08:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Had a chance to see Sting last night! (NJC) >It was Sting, two young guitarists and a drummer. That was it. He started off with "Spirits in the Material World" which is one of my favorite Police songs and ended the regular set with a version of "Roxanne" that was tremendous! He did songs that I knew like "Fields of Gold" but he also did a song which has the weirdest time signature called "I Hung My Head" which he also said Johnny Cash recorded.< Thanks for the sting report sherrelle... I'm with you on loving the song spirits in the material world & love love love that time sig for hung my head... don't know what it is but it is so cool how it seems to jump a beat every so often ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: lisa winn NJC in the process of listening to some music I havent heard in a while, some good solid Canadian works from an amazing young woman, Lisa Winn. I see she's got her CDs on cdbaby... give her a listen, and let me know what you think...... http://cdbaby.com/cd/lisawinn2 www.lisawinn.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:03:29 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs Richard offered: > Umm... "Breakfast Barney"? "Sign-off prayer"? Sign-off prayer is a good one. These days, do stations (radio or otherwise) ever stop broadcasting? However, I don't know what "Breakfast Barney" is -- was that a local morning radio show somewhere? Anyone know where? Somewhere in California? Somewhere in Canada? As for my original mention of "transistor" and the comments about whether folks referred to a portable radio as such, I think this one falls into the category of artistic license on Joni's part. "Transistor radio" wouldn't have fit into the meter of the song, and, while "radio" would have fit, it was too common a word. "Transistor" worked perfectly, though. This is similar to my old complaint about the song "Electricity," in which Joni sings "The masking tape tangles / It's sticky and black." Of course no one uses masking tape for electrical work (unless you have nothing else), and although it would be sticky (although not very), it's not black. Yes, there is coloured masking tape now, but I've never seen black (and I spend a lot of time at Home Depot!) -- and when Joni wrote the song, masking tape was only produced in that familiar pale yellow (or off-white?) colour. Nonetheless, Joni used "masking tape" because it fit the meter of the song better than "electrical tape" did. Back to the subject ... are there any other examples of "dated" terms in Joni's songs? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Back to the subject ... are there any other examples > of "dated" terms in > Joni's songs? > "Just getting home to my reel-to-reel." Does anyone use that anymore? I'm sure it's all digital these days. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: swingin' chicks of the 60s Joni gets quite a write-up here: http://www.swinginchicks.com/joni_mitchell.htm Here's the complete list of swinging chicks. (See if you can find your name!): Andress, Ursula (Bond Beauty, Dr.No, profiled in the book) Andrews, Julie (Movie Star, Mary Poppins) Ann-Margret (Elvis Girl, Viva Las Vegas, profiled in the book) Asher, Jane (Girlfriend, of Paul McCartney, profiled in the book) Auger, Claudine (Bond Beauty, Thunderball, profiled in the book) Aulin, Ewa (Movie Star, Candy) Baker, Carroll (Movie Star, Harlow, profiled in the book) Baker, Lisa (Model, '67 Playmate of the Year) Bardot, Brigitte (Movie Star, Contempt, profiled in the book) Basil, Toni (Movie Star, Easy Rider) Bianchi, Daniela (Bond Beauty, From Russia with Love, profiled in the book) Bisset, Jacqueline (Bond Beauty, Casino Royale, profiled in the book) Blackman, Honor (Bond Beauty, Goldfinger profiled in the book) Blackman, Joan (Elvis Girl, Blue Hawaii) Boyd, Pattie (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. George Harrison, profiled in the book) Britt, May (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Sammy Davis, Jr.) Brown, Helen Gurley (Writer, Cosmopolitan Editor, profiled in the book) Budinger, Vicki (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Tiny Tim) Cannon, Dyan (Movie Star, Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice, profiled in the book) Capote, Truman (Writer, In Cold Blood) Capucine (Movie Star, The Pink Panther, profiled in the book) Cardinale, Claudia (Movie Star, 8 1/2, profiled in the book) Carne, Judy (TV Star, "Laugh-In", profiled in the book) Carroll, Diahann (TV Star, "Julia", profiled in the book) Cartwright, Angela (TV Star, "Lost in Space", profiled in the book) Cher (Songbird, "I Got You Babe", profiled in the book) Christie, Julie (Movie Star, Darling, profiled in the book) Clark, Petula (Songbird, "Downtown", profiled in the book) Cline, Patsy (Songbird, "Crazy") Collins, Judy (Songbird, "Both Sides Now") Cox, Maureen (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Ringo Starr) Craig, Yvonne (TV Star, "Batman", profiled in the book) Dee, Sandra (Beach Girl, Gidget) Deneuve, Catherine (Movie Star, Repulsion, profiled in the book) Des Barres, Pamela (Girlfriend/Wife, L.A. starlover) DeShannon, Jackie (Songbird, "Put a Little Love in Your Heart") De Varona, Donna (Athlete, Olympic swimmer) Dickinson, Angie (Movie Star, Ocean's Eleven, profiled in the book) Douglas, Donna (TV Star, "The Beverly Hillbillies", profiled in the book) Duke, Patty (TV Star, "The Patty Duke Show", profiled in the book) Dunaway, Faye (Movie Star, Bonnie and Clyde, profiled in the book) Eaton, Shirley (Bond Beauty, Goldfinger, profiled in the book) Eden, Barbara (TV Star, "I Dream of Jeannie", profiled in the book) Elliot, Mama Cass (Songbird, the Mamas and the Papas) Ekberg, Anita (Movie Star, 4 for Texas, profiled in the book) Erickson, Dolores (Model, cover of Whipped Cream) Fabares, Shelley (Elvis Girl, Girl Happy, profiled in the book) Faithfull, Marianne (Girlfriend, of Mick Jagger, profiled in the book) Farrow, Mia (Movie Star, Rosemary's Baby, profiled in the book) Feldon, Barbara (TV Star, "Get Smart", profiled in the book) Field, Sally (TV Star, "Gidget", profiled in the book) Fleming, Peggy (Athlete, Olympic skater, profiled in the book) Fonda, Jane (Movie Star, Barbarella, profiled in the book) Francis, Connie (Songbird, "Where the Boys Are") Franklin, Aretha (Songbird, "Respect") Funicello, Annette (Movie Star, Beach Blanket Bingo, profiled in the book) Garr, Teri (Elvis Girl, Fun in Acapulco) Gentry, Bobbie (Songbird, "Ode to Billie Joe") Gore, Lesley (Songbird, "It's My Party") Hama, Mie (Bond Beauty, You Only Live Twice, profiled in the book) Harrison, Linda (Movie Star, Planet of the Apes, profiled in the book) Hart, Dolores (Elvis Girl, King Creole) Hawn, Goldie (Movie Star, Cactus Flower, profiled in the book) Heatherton, Joey (Songbird, "The Dean Martin Show", profiled in the book) Hedren, Tippi (Movie Star, "The Birds", profiled in the book) Helm, Anne (Elvis Girl, Follow That Dream, profiled in the book) Hepburn, Audrey (Movie Star, My Fair Lady, profiled in the book) Hussey, Olivia (Movie Star, Romeo and Juliet, profiled in the book) Hyer, Martha (Movie Star, First Men in the Moon) Jeffries, Fran (Songbird, "Sex and the Single Girl") Jetson, Judy (TV Star, "The Jetsons", profiled in the book) Johnson, Betsey (Model, top American designer in the '60s) Johnson, Candy (Beach Girl, Beach Party) Johnson, Jody (Telescopes) Jones, Anissa (TV Star, "Family Affair") Jones, Carolyn (TV Star, "The Addams Family", profiled in the book) Jones, Shirley (Movie Star, The Music Man) Joplin, Janis (Songbird, "Piece of My Heart", profiled in the book) Kennedy, Jacqueline (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. JFK) King, Billie Jean (Athlete, tennis champ) Kristen, Marta (Beach Girl, Beach Blanket Bingo) Langdon, Sue Ane (Elvis Girl, Roustabout) Lavi, Daliah (Bond Beauty, Casino Royale) Lawson, Linda (Songbird, and the movie Night Tide) Leigh, Janet (Movie Star, Psycho, profiled in the book) Lipton, Peggy (TV Star, "The Mod Squad", profiled in the book) Little Red-Haired Girl, The (Girlfriend, of Charlie Brown) Lodge, Veronica (Girlfriend, of Archie Andrews in Archie Comics, profiled in the book) Lollobrigida, Gina (Movie Star, Come September) Longet, Claudine (Songbird, "The Look of Love") Loren, Donna (Beach Girl, Beach Blanket Bingo, profiled in the book) Loren, Sophia (Movie Star, Two Women, profiled in the book) Louise, Tina (TV Star, "Gilligan's Island", profiled in the book) Lulu (Songbird, "To Sir with Love", profiled in the book) Lynley, Carol (Movie Star, Bunny Lake Is Missing) Lynn, Loretta (Songbird, "I'm a Honky Tonk Girl") Lyon, Sue (Movie Star, Lolita, profiled in the book) MacLaine, Shirley (Movie Star, The Apartment, profiled in the book) MacRae, Meredith (TV Star, "Petticoat Junction") Mansfield, Jayne (Movie Star, Promises! Promises!, profiled in the book) Margolin, Janet (Movie Star, David & Lisa) McBain, Diane (Elvis Girl, Spinout) McKay, Catherine (Cuddly Canadian) Merrill, Carol (TV Star, "Let's Make a Deal") Mills, Hayley (Movie Star, The Parent Trap, profiled in the book) Mimieux, Yvette (Movie Star, The Time Machine) Mitchell, Joni (Songbird, "Woodstock") Mobley, Mary Ann (Elvis Girl, Harum Scarum, profiled in the book) Moffitt, Peggy (Model, Rudi Gernreich's fashions) Monroe, Marilyn (Movie Star, The Misfits, profiled in the book) Montgomery, Elizabeth (TV Star, "Bewitched", profiled in the book) Moon, Kim (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Keith Moon) Moore, Mary Tyler (TV Star, "The Dick Van Dyke Show", profiled in the book) Morrison, Pamela (Girlfriend, of Jim Morrison) Newmar, Julie (TV Star, "Batman", profiled in the book) Nichols, Nichelle (TV Star, "Star Trek", profiled in the book) Nico (Songbird, the Velvet Underground, profiled in the book) Noel, Chris (Beach Girl, Beach Ball, profiled in the book) Novak, Kim (Movie Star, Kiss Me, Stupid) Nun, The Singing (Songbird, "Dominique") Pallenberg, Anita (Girlfriend, of Keith Richards, profiled in the book) Parkins, Barbara (TV Star, "Peyton Place") Parlette, Patti (Ooh, la la!) Parks, Allison (Model, '66 Playmate of the Year) Parrish, Julie (Elvis Girl, Paradise, Hawaiian Style, profiled in the book) Pettet, Joanna (Bond Beauty, Casino Royale) Phillips, Michelle (Songbird, the Mamas and the Papas, profiled in the book) Plath, Sylvia (Writer, The Bell Jar) Pleshette, Suzanne (Movie Star, Nevada Smith) Powers, Stefanie (TV Star, "The Girl from U.N.C.L.E.") Presley, Priscilla (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Elvis Presley, profiled in the book) Priest, Pat (TV Star, "The Munsters", profiled in the book) Prowse, Juliet (Elvis Girl, G.I. Blues, profiled in the book) Quant, Mary (Model, creator of the miniskirt, profiled in the book) Redgrave, Vanessa (Movie Star, Camelot, profiled in the book) Rigby, Cathy (Athlete, Olympic gymnast, profiled in the book) Rigg, Diana (Bond Beauty, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, profiled in the book) Ross, Katharine (Movie Star, The Graduate, profiled in the book) Rudolph, Wilma (Athlete, Olympic sprinter) St. John, Jill (Movie Star, Tony Rome, profiled in the book) Scott, Janette (Movie Star, Crack in the World) Seberg, Jean (Movie Star, Paint Your Wagon) Sedgwick, Edie (Model, Andy Warhol's girl, profiled in the book) Shepherd, Cybill (Model, teen queen) Shrimpton, Jean (Model, Yardley Cosmetics, profiled in the book) Sinatra, Nancy (Songbird, "Sugar Town", profiled in the book) Slick, Grace (Songbird, with Jefferson Airplane, profiled in the book) Sommer, Elke (Movie Star, A Shot in the Dark, profiled in the book) Springfield, Dusty (Songbird, "Son of a Preacher Man", profiled in the book) Stansfield, Ashara (Goldie Eyes) Steele, Barbara (Movie Star, Black Sunday) Steinem, Gloria (Writer, founder of Ms magazine) Stevens, Connie (Beach Girl, "Hawaiian Eye") Stevens, Inger (TV Star, "The Farmer's Daughter", profiled in the book) Stevens, Stella (Movie Star, The Nutty Professor, profiled in the book) Streisand, Barbra (Songbird, "People") Susann, Jacqueline (Writer, Valley of the Dolls) Tate, Sharon (Movie Star, Valley of the Dolls, profiled in the book) Taylor, Elizabeth (Movie Star, Cleopatra, profiled in the book) Taylor-Young, Leigh (TV Star, "Peyton Place") Thomas, Marlo (TV Star, "That Girl", profiled in the book) Tiffin, Pamela (Movie Star, The Lively Set) Travers, Mary (Songbird, Peter, Paul & Mary) Tree, Penelope (Model, Vogue covergirl) Turner, Tina (Songbird, Ike & Tina Turner, profiled in the book) Twiggy (Model, the face of Swingin' London, profiled in the book) Van Doren, Mamie (Movie Star, Sex Kittens Go to College, profiled in the book) Vetri, Victoria (Model, '68 Playmate of the Year, profiled in the book) Walley, Deborah (Beach Girl, Gidget Goes Hawaiian, profiled in the book) Warren, Lesley Ann (TV Star, "Cinderella") Warwick, Dionne (Songbird, "Walk On By") Welch, Raquel (Movie Star, Fantastic Voyage, profiled in the book) Weld, Tuesday (Elvis Girl, Wild in the Country, profiled in the book) Wells, Dawn (TV Star, "Gilligan's Island", profiled in the book) Wilkinson, June (Model, Playboy magazine) Wood, Natalie (Movie Star, West Side Story, profiled in the book) Wynette, Tammy (Songbird, "Stand By Your Man") Yarnall, Celeste (Elvis Girl, Live a Little, Love a Little) York, Francine (Elvis Girl, Tickle Me) York, Susannah (Movie Star, Tom Jones) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 01:57:43 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: swingin' chicks of the 60s Like, "wow." That's groovy, Smurf. Not the usual Joni-drivel at all. Quite well done, actually, in my opinion. Thanks for posting up. I found this bit at the end especially apt: EXTRAS: Of herself she said: "I'm a pretty open person. One of the reasons I have a rep for being reclusive is because I'm either open all the way or I'm shut down" ... of performing she said: "I really enjoyed playing clubs for about forty people. I liked being center of attention, it was like being the life of the part. That I could handle. When it got to the big stage I found that I didn't enjoy it. It frightened me ... I had a lot of bad experiences, including running off many a stage" ... of her songwriting she said: "When I first started writing, I used to write more fictionally, the first three albums were more or less characters ... like any fiction writer there was some basis in something that happened, but after the Blue album I went through a period where I wrote very personal songs" ... of love she said: "Relationship is everything" ... the last four quotes come from Bill Flanagan's book Written in My Soul ... Joni has her own Web site: www.jonimitchell.com. - ----- - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #182 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)