From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #176 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 26 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 176 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JONI SIGHTING (NJC now) [Chris Marshall ] RE: sjc, Song for Sherelle ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Sherelle as Roberta, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: well, a dream finally came true ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: profound songs [Joseph Palis ] Re: profound songs ["ron" ] Re: profound songs ["McMillan Brad" ] Joni interview on Canada AM ["Michael O'Malley" ] Joni interview on CTV streaming video ["Michael O'Malley" ] RE: profound songs [Les Irvin ] RE: profound songs [Les Irvin ] Re: profound songs [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: NJC Fake Ebay email [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Re: NJC Fake Ebay email [hell ] Re: Joni interview on CTV streaming video [Em ] Re: Re: NJC Fake Ebay email [Bob Muller ] Re: profound songs [Bob Muller ] Re: Was: Bottom, Now: Happiness [Michael Paz ] Re: profound songs -- njc [Smurf ] Re: profound songs [djp ] RE: profound songs ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: profound songs [djp ] PROFOUND LYRICS [kjhsf@aol.com] profound lyrics ["gene mock" ] Re: PROFOUND LYRICS [djp ] Re: PROFOUND LYRICS [djp ] SIQUOMB in San Francisco [jrmco1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:58:19 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: JONI SIGHTING (NJC now) On 23 Apr 2005, at 3:40, kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > My best friend who also sublets my rent controlled bachelor pad in San > Francisco called me today and said "Joni was in last night." He waits > tables at Boulevard, a classic American Restaurant-always in the top > 10, etc. Hmmm, is Boulevard the place on the left hand side of Market St. between the swanky financial bit and Castro? The "dodge the winos" bit? If so, I ate there years ago, before I knew about this list... - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:10:02 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: sjc, Song for Sherelle Dear Patti, What a post! What a post!!! Thank you so much!!! Sweet inspiration for me too! Thank you for all the "Jonisms" that were part of my blessing! I'm taking everything you said and hiding it deep in my heart Patti. May all the love that you've shown me come back to you tenfold!!!! What a sweet and wonderful post! My French is shaky at best but: Merci beaucoup! Vous etes une belle ami! (please correct my french somebody!!!!) Love, Sherelle >From: "Patti Parlette" >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: sjc, Song for Sherelle >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:55:46 +0000 > >Dear Sherelle: > >Oh honey, you turn us on! We are a broadcasting tower, waving and cheering >for you! I am loving reading your posts and concelebrating your happiness. > Sweet inspiration, oh yes! > >And I especially loved this: > >You wrote: Then....we started talking about Joni. He said..."Don't even go >there!" and >I said, "No...you don't even go there!" He says, "I love her!" and I said, >"I love her too!" > >How cool is THAT??!!! Don't you just love that sublime moment when you >meet someone new and that happens? That's how I met my best friend in 1975 >-- and you know how much less there was of Joni's oeuvre out there at that >time, compared to now. And more recently, when I met a new, ummm, friend >(he's a real good talker, I THINK he's a friend), and I said something >about sharing "MY Joni" (when I sent him the JT/JM video "You are the Only >One" that Jamie Zoob shared w/ us) and he replied: "YOUR Joni??? -- I >don't think so!" And so it began. Those are rare and magical moments in >our own private circle games, when ya gotta grab the brass ring and hold >tight and hang on for dear life...and love. > >You also said: "I think the coolest thing about life right now is being >able to connect with >other musicians. it is a dream come true. " May your dreams never lose >their grandeur coming true, Sherelle. There's a keyboardist and a >bassist....and you know there may be more. Love them when you see them! >And we know you will. > >So, back down to you, Sherelle, may you never lose your joie de vivre and >joie de musique, nor may you ever stop sharing it with us. It's your OWN >shining hour -- and you even get to wear those glamour gowns! (Was it >"Valerie Married A Music Man" who said "hubba hubba?" Ooh la la -- quelle >belle chanteuse!) > >Have fun at the wedding today.....that couple is blessed from the start, to >be sure. They got a chance, hot dog darlin'! And so do you. > >Love and peace, > >Patti, a little bit corny, a wildflower waving for you ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:14:11 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Sherelle as Roberta, njc Dear Laurent, I know what you mean about it being hard to cross the ocean. I would love to be over there for Jonifest! One day... I'm working on getting a copy of a video and I will definitely keep you posted. These things always scare the bejeebies out of me because you never know how they are going to turn out or if they will capture the moment! At any rate, I will get a copy and start dubbing right away! Love, Sherelle >From: "Laurent Olszer" >Reply-To: "Laurent Olszer" >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: >Subject: Sherelle as Roberta, njc >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:34:21 +0200 > >Dear Sherelle > >I'm glad things are moving up for you. It'll be hard for me to cross the >ocean to catch your show. Is there a possibility of getting a video or a cd >of it anywhere? > >Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:28:29 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Mingus -njc Posted: Sun., Apr. 24, 2005, 9:00pm PT Mingus Big Band (Royce Hall, UCLA; 1,838 seats; $42 top) Presented by UCLA Live. Reviewed April 21, 2005. Band: Craig Handy, Jaleel Shaw, Seamus Blake, Abraham Burton, Ronnie Cuber, Eddie Henderson, Kenny Rampton, Ryan Kisor, Ray Westray, Ku-Umba Frank Lacy, Earl McIntyre, Kenny Drew Jr., Boris Kozlov, Johnathan Blake. By RICHARD S. GINELL Still going strong after 14 years, still blowing up the joint at virtually every opportunity, the Mingus Big Band gave the faithful Thursday at Royce Hall a mighty blast of the wild, wooly spirit of Charles Mingus. The ensemble is tighter than what one remembers from previous L.A. gigs, yet still prone to rightly chaotic exuberance. The soloing is just as individual and uproarious. Unlike some, this repertory band doesn't grow stale or ossified -- the reasons are threefold. One, the touring personnel is constantly shifting, bringing in fresh approaches. Two, the repertory of Mingus is so vast, varied and unpredictable that it might always be a renewable resource. Three, founder/guiding light Sue Mingus won't let the spirit wither. She introduced the band and then gave way to frontman/tenor saxophonist/sometime conductor Craig Handy, bringing a defiant tone to her remarks, dedicating "Tensions" to George W. Bush "for making the world more tense." Then came a prophetic bit of Mingus rabble-rousing, "Don't Let It Happen Here," with a taped voice tracing the evolution of a police state through the words of a Catholic nun and the band dissolving into a free-form clash of sound. The brass section was graced by a contemporary master, trumpeter Eddie Henderson, crisp and pithy on "Don't Let It Happen Here" and madly swinging over the swaggering, shuffling riffs of "Song With Orange." Bassist Boris Kozlov was pinging away on Mingus' own bass fiddle, every note clear and firm, supported by Johnathan Blake's remarkably explosive drums. Flamboyant trombonist Ku-Umba Frank Lacy inherited Elvis Costello's onetime role as vocalist on "Invisible Lady," laying out Costello's lyrics in a gravelly, penetrating voice to the rhumba rhythm. As wild as the first half was, the rare promise of hearing Mingus' anguished long-form masterpiece "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" kept expectations high for the second half. Yet what we heard was more of a slightly messy anthology of themes from the first part of "Black Saint" with an unbilled detour into the flamenco-drenched "Ysabel's Table Dance" -- featuring lots of exhibitionistic slapstick from Lacy and baritone saxophonist Ronnie Cuber. That's all in the Mingus jazz spirit, never doing the same thing twice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:39:34 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: well, a dream finally came true Oh Rich! I remember you and I am trying not to "tear" up reading your post!!!! Oh my gosh! You were here when there were no concerts or meetings with Joni...just dreams and memories from those who had seen her in the past. They kept us going, didn't they? Your story touches my heart in a special way. I am so happy that you got the opportunity to make your dreams come true. I still have not met her in person but I still hope to one day. In the meantime, I rejoice with you for a dream realized. What you shared with her is what she needed to hear. Forget what the critics say and the what the industry does! We are the people she makes music for. We are the lovers of her musical soul and we will be forever grateful for what she has already brought to us. I owuld love for her to hook up with Pat Metheny and company again. That would be way too cool! If she had that group playing with her again, I would sell my car to go hear them!!!!! I would go anywhere on the planet they were playing!!!! Thanks again Rich for sharing this and welcome home...... Sherelle Rich wrote: I've been off the list for years, but was here in the very early days. You probably know that Joni spoke tonight at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. I was one of the lucky ones who got a premium seat, which meant I got to get into the reception with Joni after the event. She was charming and graceful and thoughtful during the interview. When she came into the reception, I was hesitant to push my way towards the front of the line. A few friends encouraged me and I perservered. I brought a copy of the catalogue from the Mendel Gallery exhibition with me. She signed it to me with"good tears" (see below). I have to admit, I got all choked up when I finally got to speak with her. My eyes welled up with tears. I thanked her for all the joy she had given me throughout my life. And then I hugged her. And she hugged me. And I hugged her again. And she hugged me. And I kissed her (twice!). And she said something lovely to me about men who were able to shed tears. I was (and still am) ferklempt. She was so warm, open, and loving. And generous and kind. I have to pinch myself to believe that this really happened. Darice, Julius, and Kakki were there as well so I'm sure you'll here some other reports about the presentation. It was the first time in years that I had been with other jmdlers other than Darice. It was a very special and intimate occasion. A news bulletin from the reception: she said that she would love to record some of her songs again with a live jazz trio --especially some of her old partners. I'm too exhausted to think for now (I flew back from Denver today just to make it to this event.) I know she mentioned Lyle Mays --- maybe you can help me fill in the rest as I'm fading. I'm here briefly again for a while. Just wanted to check in with some old friends, particularly Les, to share tonight's lovely experience with you. Take care, Rich Newirth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:48:42 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: What a trend we have in Jesus! TM -- NJC Hi Smurf, All I can say is...okey dokey! I had to see it to believe it! Sherelle Smurf shared this site: http://www.misspoppy.com/catalog/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16346&cat=283&page=1 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:36:18 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Paprika Plains: Is it is, or is it ain't remixed? in today's "SONGS OF A PRAIRIE GIRL" Well? Did anyone listen to Paprika Plains yet? Today's the release day for "SONGS OF A PRAIRIE GIRL". Sincerely, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:46:23 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: profound songs I have been hearing Both Sides Now lately and am always struck by how simply profound it is. "Something's lost and Something's gained in living everyday." I think Bob Mueller told me that Joni wrote this when she was 24 or 26. Amazing I just love this song so much. Bree and I were talking about this aND we were thinking about asking if: anyone cared to talk about other Joni songs or joni lines that are profound. or even her songs that give you a profound feeling. . . Or perhaps other music that is profound. (from other artists) XO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:27:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: profound songs I'll bite on this one. I read Joni's lyrics in the same vein I am reading Billy Collins (who is scheduled to read his poetry in school tomorrow). Or something from Rilke or cummings. The one that I particularly like is one from "Sweet Bird" Golden in time Cities under the sand Power, ideals and beauty Fading in everyone's hand The lines seem to speak of Beauty (which is pre-Freudian) so ethereal and ineffable and how our conception of what we consider as greatness like civilization, ideology, etc is no match for the unspeakably sublime (which I suppose the sweet bird typifies). I have read similar themes in various other texts but what impresses me is how Joni skillfully weaves words succinctly yet powerfully, distinctive and original yet familiar to evoke both the passing of time and the ephemeral quality of life. I liken this particular passage to a Marcel Marceau performance of "Birth, Maturity, Old Age, Death" that I was lucky to see and experience in Manila about eight years ago. Set to the music of Bach's "Air on a G String", Marceau lovingly if heartbreakingly evoked through the subtlest of motions the stages in one's life. So that when he finally "died", there was only silence as the audience members were obviously transfixed and deeply moved. Then the thunderous applause that followed brought standing ovation and happy tears. Joseph in Chapel Hill PS. The other passage (actually the entire song) that moved me as much is Suzanne Vega's "The Queen and the Soldier". Marianne Rizzo wrote: I have been hearing Both Sides Now lately and am always struck by how simply profound it is. "Something's lost and Something's gained in living everyday." I think Bob Mueller told me that Joni wrote this when she was 24 or 26. Amazing I just love this song so much. Bree and I were talking about this aND we were thinking about asking if: anyone cared to talk about other Joni songs or joni lines that are profound. or even her songs that give you a profound feeling. . . Or perhaps other music that is profound. (from other artists) XO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:47:15 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: profound songs hi >>>>marianne wrote >>>> Bree and I were talking about this aND we were thinking about asking if: anyone cared to talk about other Joni songs or joni lines that are profound. or even her songs that give you a profound feeling. . . well - profound & joni just kind of go hand in hand. but - to pick one out - that i seem to refer back to in my head more often than any others, it has to be from hejira: the whole song is a stunner, tho i must admit there are a couple of lines that just dont quite seem to fit - perhaps someone could help out: "As snow gathers like bolts of lace, Waltzing on a ballroom girl" and " White flags of winter chimneys, Waving truce against the moon In the mirrors of a modern bank, From the window of a hotel room" just seem kind of out of place to me, like something she put in just to fill up the spaces??? the rest of the song is just perfection - quite possibly the best lyric ever written, and there is the opening & closing, which sums up the whole song: opening with: " I'm traveling in some vehicle, I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars, That shell shock love away" ending with " I'm traveling in some vehicle, I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars, Until love sucks me back that way" what a way to begin & end off a song. hasnt everybody run away, then come back at some stage. hasnt everybody looked at people, including yourself, squabbling over some petty thing, and realised that its just a petty war, but it can shellshock love away. even sometimes wept at the pettiness, and stupidity, and ignorance, and hard heartedness of people, scoring petty points, destroying something precious beyond measure. sometimes the petty wars are too much, & love doesnt suck people back. & havent we all continued squabbling anyway.................. ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:46:17 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: profound songs I dunno. I have always liked the couplet: " White flags of winter chimneys, Waving truce against the moon In the mirrors of a modern bank, From the window of a hotel room" She is looking out a hotel window at a bank building with reflective windows and seeing the smoke rising from chimneys reflected there. It's just a perfect kind of: "this is what I saw while I was sitting here having these thoughts". It just goes with the whole free association thread of the song. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: "Marianne Rizzo" ; Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: Re: profound songs > hi > > > >>>>marianne wrote > >>>> Bree and I were talking about this aND we were thinking about > asking if: anyone cared to talk about other Joni songs or joni lines that > are profound. or even her songs that give you a profound feeling. . . > > well - profound & joni just kind of go hand in hand. > > but - to pick one out - that i seem to refer back to in my head more often > than any others, it has to be from hejira: the whole song is a stunner, tho > i must admit there are a couple of lines that just dont quite seem to fit - > perhaps someone could help out: > > "As snow gathers like bolts of lace, Waltzing on a ballroom > girl" > and " White flags of winter chimneys, Waving truce against the moon > In the mirrors of a modern bank, From the window of a hotel > room" > > just seem kind of out of place to me, like something she put in just to fill > up the spaces??? > > the rest of the song is just perfection - quite possibly the best lyric ever > written, and there is the opening & closing, which sums up the whole song: > > opening with: > " I'm traveling in some vehicle, I'm sitting in some cafe > A defector from the petty wars, That shell shock love away" > > ending with > " I'm traveling in some vehicle, I'm sitting in some cafe > A defector from the petty wars, Until love sucks me back > that way" > > what a way to begin & end off a song. hasnt everybody run away, then come > back at some stage. hasnt everybody looked at people, including yourself, > squabbling over some petty thing, and realised that its just a petty war, > but it can shellshock love away. even sometimes wept at the pettiness, and > stupidity, and ignorance, and hard heartedness of people, scoring petty > points, destroying something precious beyond measure. sometimes the petty > wars are too much, & love doesnt suck people back. > > & havent we all continued squabbling anyway.................. > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:22:11 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni interview on Canada AM Joni was interviewed in the smoking lounge (ie outdoors) at the Bel Air Hotel recently by CTV morningman Seamus O'Reagan. The gist of this 2-part intreview is here. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114455404208_109864604/?hub=CanadaAM Nothing really new. Plugging Prairie girl. A few childhood memories from Maidstone. This morning's segment lasted all of 4 minutes! Apparently Joan recently spent several months painting dying trees on her land up in BC. The result is a series of 22 paintings. None were shown during the interview, but we did get a glimpse of her little pooch. Part 2 airs tomorrow. Michael in Quebec Just back from Cuba _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:25:01 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NJC Fake Ebay email I just got the fake E-bay email message discussed recently on this list, asking for my credit card number etc. Be forewarned, it looks like the real thing. I think they got my email address from this list, since it turned up in my Joni mail. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:38:02 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni interview on CTV streaming video Well, duh, I just realized you can see the streaming video at this same url: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114455404208_109864604/?hub=CanadaAM There should be part 2 tomorrow. Enjoy! Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Paprika Plains: Is it is, or is it ain't remixed? in today's "SONGS OF A PRAIRIE GIRL" Jim, it's TOMORROW (04/26) - new releases always come out on TUESDAYS. From what I understand the remix objective was not to "re-tune" the piano but rather to bring the piano up in the mix and de-emphasize the orchestra. I'll be interested to hear it, but not curious enough to buy it when it comes out. They didn't trim anything out of the running time, it's still 16 minutes plus. Bob NP: Red House Painters, "San Geronimo" "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: Well? Did anyone listen to Paprika Plains yet? Today's the release day for "SONGS OF A PRAIRIE GIRL". Sincerely, Jim Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:53:57 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni's hangout?? Deb wrote: > I know somebody who is going to California tomorrow and says he plans to > visit the restaurant where Joni hangs out. He says it was a Mexican > restaurant in the 70s. Anybody know this place? The only place I've heard of Joni hanging out is the Daily Grill at 11677 San Vicente Blvd in the Brentwood area of L.A. Anyone else know of another place? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:50:34 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: profound songs > I have been hearing Both Sides Now lately and am always > struck by how simply profound it is. > I think Bob Mueller told me that Joni wrote this when she was > 24 or 26. It can be pinned down to an exact date if you believe Joni herself. According to an interview with her around that time (http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=607) she wrote the song on March 9, 1967. Les NP: Joni "Cactus Tree" from Worcester MA, November 29, 1969 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:56:25 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: profound songs And... while listening to this Worcester tape I've noticed that Joni says that she wrote "Big Yellow Taxi" around November 15, 1969. Interesting (to me) to note that there is more than two and a half years difference between the writings of BYT and BSN. Les, your connection for useless Joni trivia. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:07:36 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: profound songs Hi Ron and Marianne Yes she has written things that hit me at different times of my life. The way a heart is both full and hollow, being a lonely painter, living in a box of paints, wearing a day and talking in present tenses (advice you could give to anyone in a rut, or even ANYONE, it's advice for living). And god knows she was what, 12 (an exaggeration I know but trying to write when you're 32 is a major heartache when you're pitched against that). For me I have loved those lines you mention, Ron. They describe the solitude of reflection. I have caught myself on my own just waiting and waiting and thinking things through being on my own especially in queues for things, like a bank or a post office. They make sense. The white flags line is a bit of a surprise but in the song it comes in at a change of chord, almost a change of mood significantly. Like the idea suddenly strikes them and she reads into it. It's no longer just chimney smoke but white flags, surrendering something, like she's surrendering something (her solitude, her independence?). I will never figure out what she means by these lines but I only know what they mean to me. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- ron wrote: > > but - to pick one out - that i seem to refer back to > in my head more often > than any others, it has to be from hejira: the whole > song is a stunner, tho > i must admit there are a couple of lines that just > dont quite seem to fit - > perhaps someone could help out: > > "As snow gathers like bolts of lace, > Waltzing on a ballroom > girl" > and " White flags of winter chimneys, Waving > truce against the moon > In the mirrors of a modern bank, > From the window of a hotel > room" > > just seem kind of out of place to me, like something > she put in just to fill > up the spaces??? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:09:07 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: NJC Fake Ebay email Yes I got the same thing and was almost taken in by it! I would watch out. Something about the mock ebay site didn't look real at all. Be warned. Jamie Zoob - --- Michael O'Malley wrote: > I just got the fake E-bay email message discussed > recently on this list, > asking for my credit card number etc. > Be forewarned, it looks like the real thing. I think > they got my email > address from this list, since it turned up in my > Joni mail. > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover > the best the Internet has > to offer. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium > right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: NJC Fake Ebay email Jamie wrote: > Yes I got the same thing and was almost taken in by > it! I would watch out. Something about the mock ebay > site didn't look real at all. Be warned. A good rule of thumb for these kinds of emails, is to never use the link provided, no matter how "real" it looks. Always type the site name into your browser if you're in any doubt (eg. www.ebay.com). If it's a real request, you'll see the message there anyway. Sometimes hovering over the URL provided will show you where it's really pointing, and it usually bears no resemblance at all to the real thing. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni interview on CTV streaming video DAMN that was kewl!!!!!!!!!!! thx Michael for the link. How wonderful to hear and see her. Man I want to talk to her....I love how she talks and formulates things so strangely.... I would even let her smoke in my car! :) Em ps *might* even buy the PG CD since I don't have quite a bit of that stuff... - --- Michael O'Malley wrote: > Well, duh, I just realized you can see the streaming video at this > same url: > > http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114455404208_109864604/?hub=CanadaAM > > There should be part 2 tomorrow. Enjoy! > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the > Internet has > to offer. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get > the > first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Re: NJC Fake Ebay email And ebay requests that if you get them that you forward them to spoof@ebay.com so they can go after the sender. Same thing goes for the fake Paypal emails. Bob NP: Jakob Fred Jazz Odyssey, "Hejira" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: profound songs It is an amazing song in every respect; that's why I fought so strongly for it a couple months ago when Michael was tracking the best Canadian songs showdown or whatever it was called..melodically, lyrically, structurally it's just got it all goin' on. And it IS profound; a declaration of seeing something, or experiencing something, and yet still not understanding it fully. How could Joni have pulled such age-old wisdom off at age 24? Well, she had lived quite a bit of life by then, between her battle with polio and her Kilauren ordeal she had a great amount of emotional trauma at an early age. Perhaps that's why over 400 others have been drawn to record it. One of the other Joni lines that I feel is profound is from "I Think I Understand" when she sings "Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". I hate to use the Stuart Smalley phrase daily affirmation, but that's what that statement really is to me. Just thinking about that line has pulled me through some tough times. Of course all of these pale to the classic profound statement "Parsnips make the house a home". Bob (I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, and doggone it, people like me) NP: Neil Young, "On The Beach" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:59:29 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Was: Bottom, Now: Happiness Hey if you are going to aim something at me it better be bigger and better than THAT! You know me I am so fecking grateful for the VG-8. I bought a new 6 string acoustic and have been enjoying that very much. It's just so damn hard for me to retune all the time. I love listening to demo shit of hers or alternate versions (like Good Friends from the Geffen thing) like I am now (NP-It's All Over Now Baby Blue). I long to I had several Joni things this past weekend and today. I heard these two ladys talking about their book Fearless something or another where they profile the Joan. Then there was Lil Queenie doing that bitchin' Woodstock cover. And some attorney at one of the stages was talking to me about Joni's music and alternate tunings and her performance at JF years ago. Then thre was James Taylor singing You Can Close Your Eyes on Saturday afternoon. Not to mention dear Julius and Kakki calling me from the JoanDome in SF on Friday night. More later I am so behind on everything. Paz NP-The end of 24 > Richard said: > > < to it in a few unofficial shows I've managed to acquire via the JMDL hub > (the hub welcomes and is still waiting for more jonilistas with broadband > connections to join--you don't know what you are missing) I really like it.>> > > Yeah, my first exposure to it was when she performed it on ABC This Morning, > or whatever show that was, in '95, I think -- I taped it and have it around > here somewhere. Anyway, as usual, and (Paz, this is pre-emptively directed at > you) although *not* the fault of the G-8 or G-88 or whatever it's called but > rather how it was used on PWWAM and (esp.) TtT, but the original, simpler > version of Facelift was charming, and I still find it among her most charming, > happy, lovely songs. > > [Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis in > '95-'96, I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from > TI, esp. the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and > everything I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor > translates, for me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my > father got terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take > care of him in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song > mostly makes me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some > reason, Joni's obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in > her 50's and her mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter > spe. the line "For God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, > and you know, etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: profound songs -- njc - --- Bob writes: > (I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, and doggone > it, people like me) Name 'em. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:10:09 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: profound songs At 02:47 PM 4/25/2005, ron wrote: > hejira: the whole song is a stunner, tho i must admit there are a couple > of lines that just dont quite seem to fit - perhaps someone could help out: > > "As snow gathers like bolts of lace, Waltzing on a ballroom girl" I love this image, but even more after she changed it to "Waltzing on a bridal girl." I can see the literal image of the snow falling and carrying on the wind, looking a lot like floating lace. And then tying that to the image of the young nubile woman as an entry into the more trancelike, meditative passages is just genius. djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:22:18 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: profound songs This is my nominee for most profound Joni lyric: I looked at the granite markers Those tributes to finality To eternity Then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of djp Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:10 PM To: ron; Marianne Rizzo; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: profound songs At 02:47 PM 4/25/2005, ron wrote: > hejira: the whole song is a stunner, tho i must admit there are a couple > of lines that just dont quite seem to fit - perhaps someone could help out: > > "As snow gathers like bolts of lace, Waltzing on a ballroom girl" I love this image, but even more after she changed it to "Waltzing on a bridal girl." I can see the literal image of the snow falling and carrying on the wind, looking a lot like floating lace. And then tying that to the image of the young nubile woman as an entry into the more trancelike, meditative passages is just genius. djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:01:14 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: profound songs At 04:46 PM 4/25/2005, McMillan Brad wrote: >I dunno. I have always liked the couplet: " White flags of winter chimneys, >Waving truce against the moon >In the mirrors of a modern bank, From the window of a hotel room" > >She is looking out a hotel window at a bank building with reflective windows >and seeing the smoke rising from chimneys reflected there. It's just a >perfect kind of: "this is what I saw while I was sitting here having these >thoughts". It just goes with the whole free association thread of the song. There's also, after the surrender to never-really-knowing, the return -- peeling back through layered prisms of mirror and window. I find it really effective. It takes you out of deep metaphor and meditation, back to an individual, the author, Joni, here and now, in a hotel room, traveling. djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:51:43 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: PROFOUND LYRICS For me, it's these; "I know no one's gonna show me everything We all come and go unknown, Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone." In fact, if for some reasoni was pressed to pick a snippet of Joni's lyrics as the best representation of the essence of her work, it would be those. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:47:44 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: profound lyrics "my friends and relations have names they must call me for loving the freedom of all flying things my dreams like the gulls to fly out of reach out of cry" this was the hook, that got me to listen more from joni. hope all is well, gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:41:57 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: PROFOUND LYRICS There are scads of faves, and I'm not sure they're all "profound", but: "All these vain promises on beauty jars somewhere with your wings in time you must be laughing up on your feathers, laughing" "Was it the sins of my youth?" (that's just chilling to me, for some reason) "on the vast and subtle plains of mystery a split tongued spirit talks noble as a nickel chief striking up an old juke box." djp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:44:36 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: PROFOUND LYRICS and, of course: "Romantic and snow-blind, she says his crime belongs." djp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:55:52 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: SIQUOMB in San Francisco What a night in The City! Joni's talk at the Commonwealth club was a one in a million chance of a lifetime, and I feel so blessed to have been so up close and personal with Our Lady of Duality. I've been speechless. My apologies for taking so long to post this report. I'm floating down now, gently, from the clouds... Whatever my lofty impressions of her were before I met her, she far exceeded them. She's personable, sensual and ever so down to Earth. And to my eyes, she's as beautiful as ever. I'm amazed at my good fortune! I had befriended the usher at the auditorium door where Kakki, Darice and I had entered the 200 or so seat auditorium. He's a good-natured, tall lanky kid with braces. I had left the room a couple of times during Joni's talk to have another glass of wine or use the restroom. The first time I left the room, I almost tripped over the long legs of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome. They had seated him outside the open auditorium door, I guess because there wasn't an empty seat to be found inside. On returning I pointed to the mayor and said to the kid "Gavin Newsome, wethead." On account of His Honor's slicked-back coif. The kid giggled hysterically beneath his breath. The next time I re-entered, I asked the usher for *his* ticket. He laughed. Anyway, after Joni's presentation in the main hall, Kakki Darice and I sipped on wine and chatted with JMDLer Rich Newirth, who I had met back in '98 at a pre-party MG and I hosted in San Jose before the Joni's concert with Van Morrison and Bob Dylan. Rich was in the company of two of SF's most illustrious luminaries: Leah Garchick, who had written the column that Les posted here announcing Joni's appearance, and uber party planner of the world and art-god, Stanlee Gatti. Rich and his friends were getting ready to enter the reception, and we, the premium-ticketless, were just hoping to get a moment with Joni before she entered this, the only door into the reception area. I felt a tap on my shoulder...it was the usher kid. He pulled me aside. He said, "Sir, you said you wanted to speak to Joni Mitchell? She's waiting over there by the elevator. Better hurry." I excused myself and walked briskly in the direction he pointed to. I made a left turn down the hall, but I didn't see her. Kid runs up behind me and says "No, over there!" Pointing to another hall. This time I ran the few yards distance. I turned the corner and there she was, with the gentleman who had escorted her to the podium and and a Commonwealth usher-type person. I gathered myself and walked up to them. Just then the elevator door opened and they all got in. I looked in as the door was closing and said "Joan!" With the door closing she said, "You want to get in here?" I said "sure!" and tomahawk chopped my arm into the now 2 inch wide crack I was looking at Joni through. I sent up my prayer: "Lord, take the arm, but please let me on this elevator..." And the door parted. I walked in and was face-to-face with Joni Mitchell in a 4x4 foot elevator. I didn't waste time. I told her how much I adored her, how I had everything she'd ever done, I mentioned the JMDL... I could feel beads of nervous perspiration forming on my brow. Joni was looking straight into my eyes, listening intently to my every word. Then she reached up, and with her bare hand, she wiped the moisture from my brow and said "Awww..." If you've never seen a black man blush, this was a golden opportunity. It was then that she saw the ruby in my ear. She smiled so sweetly, then she took my face in both her hands and kissed me. My knees went weak, but I had come for conversation, too, so I started talking: Me: "Joan, will you be going to the Centennial in Saskatoon?" Joni: "Well, yes, but I won't be performing>" Me: "Joni, will you ever sing again?" Joni: "I'll be doing one song at a children's event, but I don't haven't any plans beyond that right now." Me: "Oh Joan, can I have a painting!?" Joni: She looked me in the eye, and for a moment, actually considered it. Just then the elevator door opened and the gentleman was literally dragging her away. After all, the Premium ticket patrons were waiting upstairs and she hadn't even had her cigarette yet, which was in her hand. Joni said: "I have some prints..." and at that I started following her to see 'em! She said: "Not *with* me silly. Goodbye..." Paz says I should've asked if I could smoke to with her, but that thought didn't occur to me just then. I still can't believe it happened. It thought about that letter Jimi Hendrix had written gushing after Joni kissed had him and now I knew his joy first hand. Not to compare myself to Hendrix really, mind you. The usher snapped one photo for me of us together. I posted it on the Northeast Jonifest Yahoo site, but if you want to see it and can't access it there, I'll email it to you at your request. I should point out, while it may appear that I'm choking Joni Mitchell, I am most certainly not. I had my arms around her just as I saw the light indicating the shutter was about to snap, and like an overgrown newborn baby, or an ardent admirer who had taken temporary leave of his senses, I involuntarily clutched her beaded necklace...and she just let me. Here's the link to the photo of me with Joan: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/northeastjonifest/vwp?.dir=/Julius+%26++Joni&.src=gr&.dnm=JoniMandJulius.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/northeastjonifest/lst%3f%26.dir=/Julius%2b%2526%2b%2bJoni%26.src=gr%26.view=t Sorry for going on and on...but I know you understand. She IS Queen Undisputed Of Mind Beauty. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #176 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)