From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #170 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 20 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 170 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira v Blue [Bob Muller ] Re: damn it its Ratsinger njc [Deb Messling ] Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! ["Lama, Jim L'Homme] heartbreak guitar NJC [Em ] Re: Hejira v Blue [Smurf ] Re: damn it its Ratsinger njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Musings of an Architect with a like mindedness to Joni-SJC ["Lindsay Moon] Re: Joni and Shawn [kate@katebennett.com] Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) ["Music Is Special" ] Re: Six Classic Albums NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Ratsinger goes to 19th century blessings njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: new pope NJC ["Ross, Les" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Hejira v Blue Hi Bob - I was just thinking about you this weekend and wondering where you'd gotten to, so I was particularly happy to see your name in my inbox. In calling Hejira the greatest etc etc, I was being mostly tongue-in-cheek; I mean, it is for ME but even amongst Joni's work it's tough rating one over the other. Leave it to Googlefight and Blue will ALWAYS win! And most critics and fans list Blue as THE ONE. Of course, if you want to duel with Joni quotes, you could use the recent one where she states that the stuff on TBOS is her best work...pure BS, I know that, you know that, and even she knows that. She's just sticking up for her "children" that aren't strong enough to defend themselves. As for you comment about Judy - you're right, of course - but she's not too different from everyone else who keeps going back 30 years to pick a Joni song to cover. It would have been really neat for her to snag a pretty love song like "Man From Mars" or something - it's not like her voice is limited, she's taken good care of her instrument for sure. Bob NP: Keb' Mo', "A Letter to Tracy" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:32:40 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: damn it its Ratsinger njc I know very little about Christian theology, but I like Matthew Fox. Would you mind sharing how he silenced him? What's the story with this? At 12:54 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >Ratsinger of Germany is the new pope, he was JP2s hatchet man, the man who >silenced Hans King, Matthew Fox, and so many other Catholic theologians, a >very right winger reactionary man. >He is Benedict the 16th (I think I have the number right). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:39:02 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! I defer to my esteemed colleague from the great state of South Carolina. Working from a faulty memory, I forgot the cover isn't mostly a frozen lake. [I'm sure you're right, Bob, that the part that *looks* like a fashion shot was made by Seeff, since that was his speciality. He's the fashion photographer who shot Joni in the pool, doing the backstroke on the lyric page of THOSL, as well as the outtake I have at home. :) I love to mention that when I can! I'd bet my WNKU coffe mug that the frozen lake part was Joel's. If I recall the lore correctly, he shot super-8 that day too, which was very, very skillfully used in the PBS film.] Sincerely, Jim Bob Muller wrote: > The credits for the photos on Hejira are for Bernstein & Norman > Seeff - I was always under the impression that Seeff took that > classic cover shot, and Bernstein took the one of her skating away > with her "crow wings". Not that it's a real big issue, mind you, but > then again we are talking about THE BEST RECORD EVER MADE. And to > further confuse things, there's more than one photo that makes up > the Hejira cover, so it could be a composite from both. > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: heartbreak guitar NJC I am devastated, Just opened the case of my 1959 Gibson to change the strings after all these years only to find the HORROR of the head snapped kind of almost off. I have to find a repair shop. OK I'm NOT gonna freak out....I didn't deserve this guitar anyway and I shouldn't have kept it out of vanity all those years. I "think" it had been repaired there before.. arghhhhhhhhhh.... Em :( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Hejira v Blue - --- About Ms. Collins, Mr. Muller wrote: > she's taken good care of her instrument for sure. I noticed that my voice has gotten a slight bit higher just the other day when I was listening to a recording made almost two years ago. Must be because I quit smoking almost a year and a half ago. Or it could be that my pants are tighter. As far as the "Hejira" vs. "Blue" album debate goes, it's apparently easier to pick a pope... I am just ever so slightly a bit of a teeny little smidgen on the side of "H" because it has some of Joni's most inspired "poetry," as opposed to "lyrics" (which are still great throughout every part of her career). I love how her voice sounded then, too. "H" also is in many ways Joni at her peak as far as picking great musicians and then working with them to create something holy that rises above all other human aspirations for perfection of any kind -- except for "Blue," of course, which is the bare soul of simplicity, but also just absolutely sublime in every way. Ratzinger? Why do I keep waiting for Ashton Kutcher to walk in and tell me I'm being Punk'd? (If he shows up, Vince, I'll send him to Muncie!) - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:32:43 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: damn it its Ratsinger njc Ratzinger disallowed Fox to teach, and removed him from ministry. Fox is by no means the only or one of a few, for there were many, including leading theologicans like Hans Kung) for whom Ratzinger played the Darth Vader role, which put into place a "loyalty oath" thing for professors of theology at US Catholic schools which barred professors from raising questions on or differing from the dogma as it is handed out by Rome. Theological intrewgirty and freedom were lost; it was like the 1950s witch hunt by HUAC. Many Catholic scholars of the highest rank such as the great Biblical scholar John Dominic Crossan had to leave their university positions because they dared to bring intellect into the study of the Scriptures and theology. I am just sick that this right wing silencer of inquiring voices has been elected pope. I am flat out disgusted and enraged. This is from a fast google search of "Matthew Fox Ratzinger" which kicked up a ton of stuff. In the 1980s, Fox, a Dominican liberation theologian, was told by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the successor to the Holy Inquisition) to renounce his views about God, about the Catholic Church, about sexuality, the status of women in the Church, and married priests. He refused, and that refusal meant that he could no longer teach or seek tenure in a Catholic university or school. He was also defrocked by the Dominican Order, but the Episcopal Church took him in. The story is here at http://www.creationspirituality.com/matthew.html - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- > I know very little about Christian theology, but I like Matthew Fox. Would > you mind sharing how he silenced him? What's the story with this? > > > At 12:54 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote: > >Ratsinger of Germany is the new pope, he was JP2s hatchet man, the man who > >silenced Hans King, Matthew Fox, and so many other Catholic theologians, a > >very right winger reactionary man. > >He is Benedict the 16th (I think I have the number right). > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:01:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! I think Lama and Bob both might be correct. I was just looking at my "Hejira" songbook, and the famous cover "with the phallic symbol" in the road, LOL.....gives credit to both Seeff and Bernstein, but it shows all the B&W credits given to Bernstein which would include the frozen lake pic....so Jim, I think you get to keep your mug. Jimmy NW: American Idol.....rootin for my hometown girl Vonzelle In a message dated 4/19/2005 6:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > I'm sure you're right, Bob, that the part that *looks* like a fashion > shot was made by Seeff, since that was his speciality. He's the fashion > photographer who shot Joni in the pool, doing the backstroke on the > lyric page of THOSL, as well as the outtake I have at home. :) I love > to mention that when I can! I'd bet my WNKU coffe mug that the frozen > lake part was Joel's. If I recall the lore correctly, he shot super-8 > that day too, which was very, very skillfully used in the PBS film.] > > Sincerely, > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:02:10 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) Hi gang, Well, I was listening to Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature" album again, trying to get the complex rhythms and key changes by following the songs with the sheet music I just got, when it really struck me for the first time how perfectly their (as usual, slightly creepy) "Jany Runaway" could be reworked, with really just a few word changes, to suit early Joni. Here Goes: Joni Hideaway It must have been that ukulele That someone gave to thee After C. Mitchell gave your name fire You hopped a bus for NYC Up in Toronto the future looked cold, with no frillage Now you're the wonderwaif of Chelsea, the Village Who makes the morning fabulous? Who makes today a fun day? Why do I feel like sailing again? Honey, it's you, Joni Hideaway. Let's grab some takeout From Dean and DeLuca, A hearty gulping wine You be the waif-- I'll be James Taylor, Way back in '69 Sweetness in bangs, Look at you in a long pink dress! Come to Ol' Mudslide Don't make me guess Who makes the traffic interesting? Rescues a dreary Sunday? Who makes you feel like painting again? Honey, it's you, Joni Hideaway! Let's plan a weekend alone together, Drive out to Cosby's place. A secret place in Colorado? Your choice -- don't make a fed'ral case. Let's take the VW bus, it's roomy inside -- I'd love to have you along for the ride! Who has a friend name Mama Cass? Who's not afraid to try new chords? Who wants to rent a piano in Spain? Honey, it's you, Joni Hideaway! Who makes the morning fabulous? Rescues a dreary Sunday? Who wants to learn the dulc'mer in Greece? Defintely you, Joni Hideaway? Oh well, at least this time I'm not writing in tongues -- tell me what you think! Best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:06:00 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Musings of an Architect with a like mindedness to Joni-SJC I was leafing through a TIME mag. special section on style and design (basically, an ad flyer for how Williams-Sonoma and its various brands are taking over our minds) and found a brief interview with an Italian architect named Renzo Piano who designed the Pompidou Center in Paris. He had some things to say that rang oddly reminiscent of Joni and her statements on her music and art: (On how his style is very different with each building): "If you do something like the Pompidou, then for 10 years people keep asking you for the same thing. Style in the negative sense, as a repetitive gesture, a kind of logo - -- this is the end of freedom for the architect." Anyone for Joni's "Paint "A Starry Night" again, man!" speech on MOA, or her musical/artistic experimentation. (On how architects have become celebrities): "I don't think it's a good thing. It doesn't celebrate architecture; it celebrates the architects. It's a sad story, because they can become trapped in the necessity to repeat themselves so as not to lose their recognizability...." Sounds to me like Joni when she bemoans how our culture focuses on the artist and not the art. And how many musicians today are merely repeating themselves or are too derivative of previous generations' artists instead of coming up with something new. Maybe we should get these two together for lunch or something ... Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Joni and Shawn >Joni ... does not like others' (lesser) work being compared to hers< i don't think shawn's work is lesser... i think much of it is equal to joni's... music is quite subjective anyway... joni seems so gracious to her fans & i wish she would learn to be that way towards other songwriters... she's been an influence & that is a compliment, not a comparison, not a competition! i don't mind her calling the industry as cesspool cuz it is... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:54:58 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc RR wrote: > 2. Records in those days had no actual standard speed, as weird as that > is! Of course 78rpm was supposedly the correct speed, but Edison himself > said 80rpm, so it wasn't always the same, and mistakes were made when > transcribing to LPs and newer formats. > Keith may have been drunk, but he knows his shit. You took the words right out of my mouth, Randy. Most of the Blind Boy Fuller 30's recordings are almost right on with my digital tuner. Some are 1/4 tone off. I don't think they'd tune half a step down because with those resonator guitars they needed all the string tension they could get. Bottom line I think is those weird keys were intentional. Richard added: > ......the reason Smith gets those fabulous sounds is that he looks at the guitar neck as if it were a keyboard. I wonder if he played primarily in guitar keys or piano keys ;-) At this point it don't matter anymore. Your teacher's quote reminds me of Jimi saying something similar, to the effect that he would look at a fingerboard "as a whole". I try to remember this good advice to free up the playing. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:20:16 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Hey Em Good for you for getting stuck in again. I stopped playing guitar for about 17 years (during which time, I would very occasionally pick it up and put it back in it's case 5 minutes later in disgust at my loss of ability). Thanks to Joni, and some folks on this list, I decided to make a concerted effort at getting my chops back. It actually came back quicker than I expected, which I think was down to the fact that I still knew what I should be doing, and only had to build up the strength and agility in my fingers again. Four years later and I'm having more fun playing than I've ever done. I'm in a band, we've recorded a single and an album. We have a second album's worth of material ready to be recorded. And we'll be playing to about 1,000 people supporting James Marsters (Spike from Buffy apparently), when he does a couple of acoustic shows in London the end of this month! Martin. ......Em said; And thanks actually, for getting me off my duff. Had been wanting to start messing w/ the guitar again after so many years, but today on the way home I FINALLY stopped off for strings (ol Black Diamond brand) for both guitars (theirs are at least 15 years old) a winder-thingy and a hand/grip excercizer. So we'll see how it goes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:04:16 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: RE: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Maybe C.F.Martin stopped using Brazilian Rosewood for general production, but I have an M36B (from an extremely limited run) that was made in 1984, I think. The 'B' indicates Brazilian Rosewood as I understand it. It's a lovely guitar - very responsive, very sweet tone. I also have a modern D-15, which is a real 'no nonsense' guitar. It has a slightly tacky decal around the soundhole in place of the normal decoration, and no pearl inlays on the neck. It's a lovely thing to play though, and the sound is nice and 'woody'. It had a bit of a flat spot at around Eb on the A string when I bought it - but even that seems to be disappearing. Ron from SA bought one on the strength of hearing mine a couple of years back. How goes it Ron? Martin. > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:24:52 -0400 > From: "Richard Flynn" > Subject: RE: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > > Not bad at all for the Guild--not like the Martin has. > > Apparently, from my quick google research, Martin stopped using Brazilian > Rosewood by late 1969: > > http://www.martinguitar.com/history/dreadnought5.html > Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:06:57 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) thanks again for mastering these disks and sharing them - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Domyancich" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) > Hey everyone, > > After taking a few years off from the list I'm back to make an offer > for 2 shows I recently converted from my DATs. The NOJ&HF show is > fairly common but I know the CD-R copy I received long ago had at > least 1 cassette generation - this is from a straight up DAT clone. > > The Minneapolis show I'm not sure about, it was new to me and I know a > certain someone on here didn't know about it before I mentioned it. ;) > > So, my offer is for either flac or CD audio, you may download the > flacs from me via FTP, or you can receive either or both of the shows > in CD audio or flac via B&P. Please, do not torrent either of these > shows on easytree.org or sharingthegroove.org (if it ever comes back), > if you want to host them on the DC server, go ahead. I say this > because there's been a recent rash of shows being offered on easytree > that have subsequently been put on ebay. I will be looking on both > sites regularly to make sure they don't show up on there. > > Below are the text files for both shows. Please email me privately if > you are interested. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Joni Mitchell > 5/6/1995 > New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, New Orleans, LA > > Source: unknown AUD > DAT @ 48kHz > Conversion: DA-20 MK II > S/PDIF > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab > Sound Forge > > CD Wave > flac16 > DAT provided by: Enrico Perissinotto > Converted by: Mark Domyancich (mark.domyancich@gmail.com) > > ***DO NOT CONVERT TO MP3 OR ANY OTHER LOSSY FORMAT!*** > > CD 1: [78:43.00] > > 1. Introduction [01:36.70] > 2. Sex Kills* [05:09.03] > 3. Moon At The Window [05:21.08] > 4. The Magdalene Laundries [06:02.07] > 5. Refuge Of The Roads [07:11.30] > 6. Night Ride Home@ [04:07.19] > 7. Love's Cries [04:17.63] > 8. Yvette In English [05:37.21] > 9. Just Like This Train [06:58.24] > 10. The Three > Great Stimulants [05:57.24] > 11. Amelia [05:54.12] > 12. Hejira [07:11.62] > 13. Happiness Is > The Best Face Lift [05:07.04] > Encore: > 14. Song For Sharon [08:11.28] > > *dropout at 01:40.60 > *minor diginoise at 02:51.09 > > Notes: > -Joni's first live performance with the Roland VG-8. > -There is some slight distortion in the left channel in some parts - this is > most likely due to no bass roll-off used. > -WaveLab was used for resampling; Sound Forge was used for fades and > normalization. > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Joni Mitchell > 10/23/1998 > Target Center, Minneapolis, MN > > Source: SBD > DAT @ 48kHz > Conversion: DA-20 MK II > S/PDIF > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab > Sound Forge > > CD Wave > flac16 > DAT provided by: Mario Caprilli > Converted by: Mark Domyancich (mark.domyancich@gmail.com) > > ***DO NOT CONVERT TO MP3 OR ANY OTHER LOSSY FORMAT*** > > CD 1: [78:46.18] > > 1. //Big Yellow Taxi* [02:47.50] > 2. Just Like This Train [05:45.29] > 3. Night Ride Home [03:41.61] > 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love [04:05.31] > 5. Free Man In Paris [03:05.57] > 6. Harry's House [04:21.69] > 7. Black Crow [03:38.66] > 8. Amelia [07:06.03] > 9. Hejira [06:38.41] > 10. Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter [07:23.54] > 11. Face Lift [05:04.48] > 12. Sex Kills [04:50.59] > 13. The Magdalene Laundries [06:06.56] > 14. Moon At The Window [04:28.41] > 15. Trouble Man [03:53.63] > 16. Comes Love [05:46.40] > > *cut from 00:11.03-00:11.28 > > Notes: > -Waves L3 UltraMaximizer's "Hi-Res CD Master" setting was used for > normalization. > -Resampled in Sound Forge to 44.1kHz, level 4 of 4 interpolation accuracy, > anti-alias filter on. > -Fades were added at the beginning and end of the show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:49:00 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc I had lunch today with my friend who played with CB in the 60's. As he is a drummer, there was no info for this thread on keys, but he related the story that 'Chuck came to town (without a band) with three things: a guitar, an amp, and a hooker.' When the pickup band band asked what the sets were to be like, they were told 'We're just playing Chuck Berry'. When they asked for specific tunes, he just said, 'Follow me'. Randy, in case you've never run across it, I know you would enjoy a book called 'Repeated Takes' by Michael Chanan... Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:33:02 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: new pope NJC mike pritchard wrote: >Ratzinger elected Pope. May I be the first to say > no, you may not. :-) I beat you by a considerable lenght of time. I was all over this like Dalton Trumbo recognizing Joe McCarthy from the first. > that I'm disappointed with >his performance so far. > > I'm revolted. >mike in bcn >np Tom Waits - Alice >NPIMH - The Whole World's Watching... The Whole World's Watching... > > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Six Classic Albums NJC I am, and present the following six classic Elton John records: Elton John, Tumbleweed Connection, Madman Across The Water, Don't Shoot Me, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Honky Chateau. This got a good laugh from me and you score bonus points for making this statement in public. The Who: Pick any six of these, all classics: The Who Sings My Generation, Happy Jack, The Who Sell Out, Magic Bus, Tommy, Quadrophenia, Live At Leeds (don't usually count live albums but this one IS an exception), Who's Next (one of THE classic rock albums), The Who By Numbers The Stones: I'll just list six, theirs is a very long list...Tattoo You, Some Girls, Exile On Main Street, Sticky Fingers, Let It Bleed, Beggars Banquet...all undeniable classics, and it would be easy to list 6 more. Zep: This one's really easy - just take their first six, all undisputed classics: I,II,III, IV, Houses of the Holy (these damn near define classic) For what it's worth I'd add Presence and In Through The Out Door, but then again I think LZ was the best band in post-Beatles R&R history. You have to remember with Stevie that he was a Motown singles artist for the first 8 years of his career, so I'm gonna say his (2) Greatest Hits collections summarizing those years are classics. Look at the tracklistings and you'll agree. That being said, all you have to do is toss in his 70's run of Music Of My Mind-Talking Book-Innervisions - Fulfillingness-Songs In The Key Of Life and you got a solid six from Stevie. Elvis C: My Aim Is True, This Year's Model, Armed Forces, Get Happy, Imperial Bedroom, King Of America, classics all with a couple to spare < Heresy I know, but I also think Dylan struggles.> Not heresy, just a puzzling lack of history. There is a difference between one's personal tastes and acknowledging brilliance. I won't list Dylan's discography and for sure he's released some duds, but coming up with six classic Dylan records is a no-brainer. < On the other hand, IMHO, Van Morrison (Astral Weeks, Moondance, St Dominic's Preview, Hardnose the Highway, Veedon Fleece, It's Too Late...), Steely Dan, Laura Nyro, Neil Young and Todd Rundgren all qualify in this book, the last-named with something to spare. > No argument from me, and to emphasize what I mean above, I don't care for Astral Weeks but it's obviously a classic so I'm missing something I guess. As for Rundgren, his Liars was my number 1 from last year but he's prone to having one or two brilliant tracks on albums that are weak as a whole. Something/Anything is classic, but would have been stronger as a sigle without all the excesses and knob-twiddling. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Book Of Dreams" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ratsinger goes to 19th century blessings njc - --- vince wrote: > Right off the bat Pope Benedict XVI Ratso Rizzo > Ratzinger goes to a > blessing that has not been used in over a century, a > wonderful way to > dis Vatican II. > > > a sad day for ecumenism > > (the Rev) Vince > Can the Inquisition be far behind? Bring out the comfy chair! Yes! The comfy chair! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Johnny Johnson, piano keys NJC - --- mike pritchard wrote: > You're welcome. Here's a stupid one in return, and a > comment, based on > Catherine's comment. > > >>Playing and writing in A# maj would be a bitch. > You end up with double > sharps. The major scale would go: > A#,B#,C##,D#,E#,F##,G##,A#, B# on a piano is > the same piano key as C; C## looks like D. It could > be very confusing and I > have no idea why anyone would deliberately choose to > play in that key, unless > they were a masochist ... or a showoff.<< > > Comment: Playing in A# wouldn't be a bitch, it would > be exactly like playing > in B flat, wouldn't it? > Question: And if we called this key B flat wouldn't > all the double sharps > disappear? And if that were the case why bother > calling the key A# in the > foist place. > Is this stupid enough to qualify? > Mike It's not a stupid question. Writing something in A# instead of Bb is stupid. Playing in A# would be no harder than playing in Bb - but reading it would be a bitch... and that would make playing it a bit o' a bitch as a result. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:08:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc Chuck Eisenhardt wrote: > I had lunch today with my friend who played with CB in the 60's. > As he is a drummer, there was no info for this thread on keys, > but he related the story that 'Chuck came to town (without a band) > with three things: a guitar, an amp, and a hooker.' > > When the pickup band band asked what the sets were to be like, > they were told 'We're just playing Chuck Berry'. When they asked for > specific tunes, he just said, 'Follow me'. > > Randy, in case you've never run across it, I know you would enjoy a > book called > 'Repeated Takes' by Michael Chanan... I'll look for it. I've heard the same about Chuck. No rehearsals, the promoter provides the pickup band, and he just walks on stage and starts, and the band follows. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:02:56 EDT From: Tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? Thanks to everyone who responded. I will check out the leads. If you think of anymore - Joni bashes the biz stuff - pass it my way...thanks again. Hope everyone is having a great week! Take care, Frank In a message dated 4/18/2005 11:14:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, Tejas4x4@aol.com writes: Hello there! Does anyone know where I can find any information where Joni shares her disdain of the music industry. Interviews, articles etc..I seem to remember a lengthy interview that Joni did where pretty much all she talked about was that. I am writing a paper and collecting data at this point. Any guidance would be very appreciated. I am mostly a lurker and don't get in the pipe much but do know and have met a few of you. I do keep a pulse on the list though. GREAT group of people. Thanks in advance, Take Care, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:03:27 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) That's great fun to read, walt. I'm not into SD much, but I'm a bit of a poetry and lyrics buff and I can't stop smiling at your "wonderwaif" coinage. It works nicely, and that's what one's poetic license is for. "Frillage" doesn't quite cut muster though, in my humble. :-) How 'bout something about "oil spillage" on that line instead, foreshadowing her future "Sex Kills"? Or not. Thanks for the sharing your wonderful wit, walt. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: littlebreen@comcast.net To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:02:10 +0000 Subject: Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) Hi gang, Well, I was listening to Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature" album again, trying to get the complex rhythms and key changes by following the songs with the sheet music I just got, when it really struck me for the first time how perfectly their (as usual, slightly creepy) "Jany Runaway" could be reworked, with really just a few word changes, to suit early Joni. Here Goes: Joni Hideaway It must have been that ukulele That someone gave to thee After C. Mitchell gave your name fire You hopped a bus for NYC Up in Toronto the future looked cold, with no frillage Now you're the wonderwaif of Chelsea, the Village ... Oh well, at least this time I'm not writing in tongues -- tell me what you think! Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:13:42 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: new pope NJC Hi Vince, I was referring to his work since he was 'elected'. Everyone knew of his manipulative ways long ago, but perhaps (I will grant you) not as long ago as you ;-) Cheers mike in barcelona - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" To: "mike pritchard" Cc: "list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:33 AM Subject: Re: new pope NJC > > > mike pritchard wrote: > > >Ratzinger elected Pope. May I be the first to say > > > no, you may not. :-) I beat you by a considerable lenght of time. I > was all over this like Dalton Trumbo recognizing Joe McCarthy from the > first. > > > that I'm disappointed with > >his performance so far. > > > > > I'm revolted. > > >mike in bcn > >np Tom Waits - Alice > >NPIMH - The Whole World's Watching... The Whole World's Watching... > > > > > > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:16:58 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: new pope NJC The vatican insiders and ex-insiders I know have nothing good to say about this Pope. Bloodless, cold, austere and divisive; the force behind every reactionary edict from the previous incumbent. By all accounts these priests have been calling each other lamenting the appointment. Though not a Catholic myself, I hold the men I write of in high esteem and it saddens me to hear them react in this way. I hope their fears turn out to be unfounded. Well, one can hope. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #170 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)