From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #169 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 19 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 169 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? ["Allison Crowe M] Re: Six Classic Albums [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Joni piano arrangments/transcriptions [Bob Muller ] Re: Judy singing Joni [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni and Shawn [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni and Shawn [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Okay, one last thought about capos (njc) [Em ] Re: Hejira v Blue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Fwd: Re: Hejira v Blue [Em ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! ["McMillan Brad" ] "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Shawn Colvin--sjc ["Richard Flynn" ] damn it its Ratsinger [vince ] Ratsinger goes to 19th century blessings njc [vince ] Re: Johnny Johnson, piano keys NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC [Em ] Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc [Randy Remote ] njc, another silly "joni in the workplace" story ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC [Em ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Job's Sad Song ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC [Em ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:25:07 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? I believe, Frank, you're recalling the W Magazine article/interview of a year or two back. It's likely archived in the Library at the JMDL site ( http://www.jmdl.com/ ) If you can't find it, feel free to email me, I have a copy I can dig up. cheers, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:24:31 EDT From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: Six Classic Albums A half-dozen crackers, eh? Not sure Elt can boast of anything like that many. The Who, Stones and Zep can't, nor Stevie W, nor Bob Marley, nor Elvis, C or P. Heresy I know, but I also think Dylan struggles. On the other hand, IMHO, Van Morrison (Astral Weeks, Moondance, St Dominic's Preview, Hardnose the Highway, Veedon Fleece, It's Too Late...), Steely Dan, Laura Nyro, Neil Young and Todd Rundgren all qualify in this book, the last-named with something to spare. As for Hejira being "the greatest record ever made", I wouldn't argue excessively with that, other than by proffering Astral Weeks and Something/Anything as viable rivals. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:23:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? Hi Frank Our website www.jmdl.com has a VAST amount of stuff that has been archived in the library and you can search on any word, date, publication etc etc so your best bet is to try there. It's pretty complete. Much Joni Jamie Zoob in London --- Tejas4x4@aol.com wrote: > Hello there! > > Does anyone know where I can find any information > where Joni shares her > disdain of the music industry. Interviews, articles > etc..I seem to remember a > lengthy interview that Joni did where pretty much > all she talked about was that. I > am writing a paper and collecting data at this > point. Any guidance would be > very appreciated. I am mostly a lurker and don't get > in the pipe much but do > know and have met a few of you. I do keep a pulse on > the list though. > GREAT group of people. Thanks in advance, Take Care, > Frank > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:34:27 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin njc Kate wrote: << I've seen her quite a few times & she's always fabulous >> Oh, may I say a resounding "hear, hear!" Shawn is one of the best live performers I've ever seen. The first time I saw her headlining was with a couple of chaps by the name of Larry Klein and Steuart Smith, the latter being a guitarist of mind-boggling virtuosity. Shawn, of course, is a BLOODY good player too (more on that in a moment); her voice is a thing of elastic beauty; and the songs are superb. And then there's her between-songs patter: she has a stand-up comic's timing and had us rolling in the aisles. Now, about her guitar-playing: it's been a long-term beef of mine that John Leventhal's production could almost be specifically calculated to obscure the fact that Shawn is a great guitarist - right back as far as her first album, his production has been pretty lush, and he has tended to play most of the instruments himself, including guitars. Not a crime, to be sure, but it still annoys me. The resulting sound is very pleasing to the ear, though it can sound a little bloodless. And even when Shawn's guitar IS on the record, it's generally way down in the mix. A perfect example is Trouble, from A Few Small Repairs: you can hear some very discreet strumming, which is not particularly remarkable. To hear Shawn play it live and solo is, so to speak, a whole new her. She really rips into it, giving the song a visceral attack which sets off the delicacy of the melody and her gorgeous voice to spell-binding effect. The only place to hear Shawn at her best, in this respect at least, is on Cover Girl and in on the live 1988 set, which I think may be hard to get hold of. << a whole new you was not her best work, imo... no guitar & it really hurt the record ... I don't think she was inspired & she's said as much in interviews regarding this album... it is pretty normal to loose that song inspiration & focus it takes to fine tune songs cuz all the energy is going into the child as well it should be >> I thought so too, Kate (especially about the lack of guitar, of course) - - although I always thought Mr Levon and - particularly - Another Plane Went Down were wonderful songs, up there with her best. However, I've got it on now, and I'm really enjoying it. Whole New You and Nothing Like You sound terrific. And her voice is intact and as lovely as ever [fill in the usual Azeem rant here...]. Azeem in London NP: Shawn Colvin - Another Plane Went Down - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 18/04/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni piano arrangments/transcriptions <(Hey SCBob -- can you remind me which cover this is/was, and any chance I could get it from you?)> You're thinking of the uber-lovely cover of River by Dianne Reeves - she's released both a studio and a live version. I can send you the .wma file or an entire volume - contact me off-list and we'll work it out. Bob NP: John Mayer, "Your Body Is A Wonderland" Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? Frank - others have directed you to the library, which is the exact right place. I would add that you might want to use the text search tool and enter the word "cesspool". That should put you right in the heart of Joni at her bitchiest. Bob NP: Elvis C, "Black & White World" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:44:05 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc Well......there were no digital tuners in those days.... eveyone would tune to the piano, which can drift a semi-tone seasonally with the climate. I have a drummer friend who played with CB as a local rhythm section when CB came to Lincoln, Nebraska in the early 60's. For some time he toured with just a few musicians and hired locals wherever he went. Does anyone remember the Conn Strobe tuner? When I would get a reed replaced on my Wurlitzer electric piano the techs would tune it with one of these.... Might it be (hard as it is to imagine) Keith was drunk? ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 05:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? - --- Bob Muller wrote: > I would add that you > might want to use the text search tool and enter the > word "cesspool". That should put you right in the > heart of Joni at her bitchiest. > Good call, Bob! Other words from that same interview: hair extensions, grab, tits, crotch. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:17:18 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Beaker Street,sjc MINGUS wrote: Thanks for the Blast from the past and tell old Clyde I'm still a fan. He's made history! Hi Mingus, I'll tell him. You mentioned his soft spoken voice, yep, that's Dale (Clyde)! He's very kind hearted and very politically in the know. He would be good on a radio talk show. We always have the most interesting conversations. He's a big SciFi buff, and he knows all about computers so when I have techno problems, I've asked him. I've learned a lot from him. I sure didn't know he was so instrumental in the course of music history. He told me once that he was the first DJ to play Led Zep here in Arkansas which I thought was cool. But, I didn't know his show was broadcast all over the world and never imagined that anybody on the list might have heard of him. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:29:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy singing Joni > Having been sufficiently impressed by Joni's first two records to have covered > 4 songs from them, perhaps Judy should give some of Joni's more recent CD's > (from LOTC on) a listen :-) Yeah. I9d just love to hear her tackle Empty, Try Another in concert. Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:26:12 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy singing Joni Jerry wrote: "Judy's new cd comes out tomorrow and I received my copy today. It is wonderful and her recording of Midway is magnificent. Bob, your copy for the Covers Project is on its way!" Hmmm, I just saw her a week or two ago at the Beacon Theatre, where she performed Midway (and, later, BSN - she also sang about 8 measures of Michael From Mountains a capella in reply to audience request). After Midway, she made a point of referring to "that Joni Mitchell song". I would guess that few in the audience did not already know that. Still, I thought it interesting to note that there still seemed to be a tip of the cap there. I had assumed Judy had recorded it years ago - consulting Joni Under Cover, I see that I was wrong on that inference. Judy looked fit, and her voice is still quite strong and pure. I'm glad I went to see her. Having been sufficiently impressed by Joni's first two records to have covered 4 songs from them, perhaps Judy should give some of Joni's more recent CD's (from LOTC on) a listen :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:53:30 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Shawn Bob Muller said: > > "Joni didn't really diss Shawn too badly - she just responded to comments > that Shawn made about Joni being her inspiration by saying that her music > wasn't like hers at all." And Jerry replied "I hear Joni say this often, and it bothers me, especially with her claims as artist. Many people are inspired to do their own work because of the work of another. It doesn't mean their work has to look or sound like those who inspire them." My take on this is that we are looking at a vicious circle of oversensitivities. Joni understands Jerry's point on an intellectual level, but on an emotional level does not like others' (lesser) work being compared to hers in any way, while the others who were inspired by Joni do not want to have to feel compared (unfavorably) to her, and are anxious to have their own work evaluated on its own two feet and especially not as copycat material, while the press knows that they can push these semi-irrational hot buttons with even the slightest suggestion of a question, and do so in order to get a rise out of the artist/interviewee. It is a cheap tactic, really, IMO. But of course, the readers love to read it........... so who's fault is it, anyway? Like I said, IMO its a bit of a Circle Game. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:17:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Shawn Joni understands Jerry's point on an intellectual level, > but on an > emotional level does not like others' (lesser) work being compared to hers in > any > way, And yet she never fails to compare herself to Van Gogh, a long stretch to be sure. Jerry np: Martha Wainwright - Bloody Mother F***king A**hole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Okay, one last thought about capos (njc) Yep, Topo. Maybe Capo Gigio was his boss. Em - --- vince wrote: > > > littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > > >it was probably Capo Gigio on Ed Sullivan > > > > > wasn't that Topo Gigio? > > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:16:48 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira v Blue Bob Muller declared (not for the first time) re Hejira "Not that it's a real big issue, mind you, but then again we are talking about THE BEST RECORD EVER MADE. " I cannot even say that I disagree. However, in the case of Blue, Joni's own comments from an interview in 1983 suggests her own bias toward what that record achieved. "The purest one of all, of course, is Blue. At the time, I was absolutely transparent, like cellophane...that would be a beautiful space if is wasn't so scary....having no defense.... you have no pretense...... Interviewer: that can be an awfully painful state' ...... Joni: "But it produced that beautiful album. There is not a false note on that album. I love that record more than any of them , really...... and I'll never be that pure again (laughs)." My hypothesis (here I suspect I am repeating myself again.... :-) ) is that part of the magic of Blue was being there at the time of its release. It had never been done before....and never since, really. That feeling of being blown away by something so new - and thus, uncopied. So, the hypothesis is that the ones who were there when Blue came out lean toward Blue - those who came later lean toward Hejira. Probably not worth a statistical analysis, but I expect more challenges to the theory from those who disagree than 'dittos' from those who agree. This is not to dismiss the merits of the arguments of those who champion FTR or C&S or Hissing or S&L even as the greatest......just reflecting the numerical Blue/Hejira battle at the top of the popularity list - JMDL'ers vs the rest of the world. I still cannot make up my mind. Don't really want to. Not Sophie's choice, but needlessly painful anyway. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Fwd: Re: Hejira v Blue I have to be a Blue-ite. If for no other reason than the acoustic instrumentation. Not sure I can imagine Hejira done "acoustic"...but if it were...hmm..what if... I think its apples and oranges, really. Em > --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > > ......just reflecting > > the > > numerical Blue/Hejira battle at the top of the popularity list - > > JMDL'ers vs the > > rest of the world. > > > > I still cannot make up my mind. Don't really want to. Not Sophie's > > choice, > > but needlessly painful anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:01:59 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC I have had the opportunity to play a Sigma before, and it was nice. Good fit and finish and a sweet tone. I am actually looking for a smaller than dreadnought size. Maybe an orchestra or an 'O' size. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Zubairi" To: "Richard Flynn" ; "'Randy Remote'" ; Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: RE: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > I have a Sigma Martin guitar which I've had since 1989 > and I love it. Everytime someone new picks it up and > plays it, they go 'Wow! Nice guitar!'. Sigma are the > Korean factory that Martin USA sends their parts to > (It's a Martin just assembled in Korea to make it > cheaper, so I guess it's the production line that > you're talking about). It's a smaller body than the > dreadnought but it sings! > > Jamie Zoob > Oh What do they know about living in turbulent underwear. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:06:59 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! There are so many cool images on the Hejira cover. Besides the "Black Crow" shot, I have always liked the male figure skater framing the girl in the wedding dress with his arms. And of course, the main shot of Joni, looking marvelous, with a highway running through her heart...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ; Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! > < He shot the main photo you see on the cover of Hejira.> > > The credits for the photos on Hejira are for Bernstein & Norman Seeff - I was always under the impression that Seeff took that classic cover shot, and Bernstein took the one of her skating away with her "crow wings". Not that it's a real big issue, mind you, but then again we are talking about THE BEST RECORD EVER MADE. And to further confuse things, there's more than one photo that makes up the Hejira cover, so it could be a composite from both. > > Monday (April 25, 2005).> > > I believe that it will actually be available the following day. Typically the new releases are available on Tuesdays, and the 26th has been the advertised release date for SOAPG. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Cradle And All" (live version) > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:17:33 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc I had a queen in a tenament castle, who had a Stienway upright I bought her. We used to keep it in tune with our handy piano wrench and..... a tuning fork. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Eisenhardt" To: "Laurent Olszer" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc > Well......there were no digital tuners in those days.... > eveyone would tune to the piano, which can drift a > semi-tone seasonally with the climate. > > I have a drummer friend who played with CB as a local rhythm section > when CB came to Lincoln, Nebraska in the early 60's. > For some time he toured with just a few musicians and hired locals > wherever he went. > > Does anyone remember the Conn Strobe tuner? When > I would get a reed replaced on my Wurlitzer electric piano the > techs would tune it with one of these.... > > Might it be (hard as it is to imagine) Keith was drunk? > > ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:53:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin njc >And her voice is intact and as lovely as ever [fill in the usual Azeem rant here...].< I agree, her voice is in top shape on this recording ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:01:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! >For years I thought it was a desert floor, as in "driving across a burning desert" on DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER.< That line is from Amelia on hejira ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:06:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin--sjc >I hear Joni say this often, and it bothers me, especially with her claims as artist. Many people are inspired to do their own work because of the work of another. It doesn't mean their work has to look or sound like those who inspire them. Jerry< I agree with you jerry, although it has been my experience that the press generally changes things slightly to get the story they want, I do think the kind of attitude you mention is quite self involved... inspiration does not mean imitation... I hear joni references throughout shawn's work in a very creative way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:28:39 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin--sjc I was heartened to hear Shawn was working on a new album--she really must be wonderful live, judging from the recordings I have (and that 1988 one is nice, too). Wish I could see her. I think that the production on "A Few Small Repairs" works, for the most part, and the production on "Whole New You" often doesn't. The live stuff on the video with Larry Klein on bass and Steuart Smith is great. Smith truly is a virtuoso. A few years back I took some lessons, trying to learn some new tricks (I'm afraid I remain an old dog) from a teacher who had worked with Smith and he said that the reason Smith gets those fabulous sounds is that he looks at the guitar neck as if it were a keyboard. I wonder if he played primarily in guitar keys or piano keys ;-) Piano keys, I think, are . . . every chord that you feel That broken trees and elephant ivories conceal - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:06 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin--sjc >I hear Joni say this often, and it bothers me, especially with her claims as artist. Many people are inspired to do their own work because of the work of another. It doesn't mean their work has to look or sound like those who inspire them. Jerry< I agree with you jerry, although it has been my experience that the press generally changes things slightly to get the story they want, I do think the kind of attitude you mention is quite self involved... inspiration does not mean imitation... I hear joni references throughout shawn's work in a very creative way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:54:18 -0400 From: vince Subject: damn it its Ratsinger Ratsinger of Germany is the new pope, he was JP2s hatchet man, the man who silenced Hans King, Matthew Fox, and so many other Catholic theologians, a very right winger reactionary man. He is Benedict the 16th (I think I have the number right). God spare the Church. (the Rev) Vince, crying bitter tears of dashed hopes for a Pope like John XXIII ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:00:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: Ratsinger goes to 19th century blessings njc Right off the bat Pope Benedict XVI Ratso Rizzo Ratzinger goes to a blessing that has not been used in over a century, a wonderful way to dis Vatican II. a sad day for ecumenism (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:32:36 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Johnny Johnson, piano keys NJC Laurent said >>Thanks Mike for your mind-raising questions.<< You're welcome. Here's a stupid one in return, and a comment, based on Catherine's comment. >>Playing and writing in A# maj would be a bitch. You end up with double sharps. The major scale would go: A#,B#,C##,D#,E#,F##,G##,A#, B# on a piano is the same piano key as C; C## looks like D. It could be very confusing and I have no idea why anyone would deliberately choose to play in that key, unless they were a masochist ... or a showoff.<< Comment: Playing in A# wouldn't be a bitch, it would be exactly like playing in B flat, wouldn't it? Question: And if we called this key B flat wouldn't all the double sharps disappear? And if that were the case why bother calling the key A# in the foist place. Is this stupid enough to qualify? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:58:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC McMillan Brad wrote: > Richard; > Do you remember an ancient tale about Martins changing a little in the late > 70's or early 80's because of a ban on harvesting South American rosewood? > I remember some rumour about them switching to African rosewood but it was > supposed to be some kind of secret about when exactly that happened. They > were supposedly working off stored, aged wood that they kept in vaults and > it took them a few years to run out. Then there was the one about them > hoarding this old wood that they only used for one off custom guitars. Brazilian rosewood is very hard to come by these days. Guitar wood buyers go to Brazil and buy old burned stumps for the wood. Martin switched to East Indian rosewood in the late sixties. But they still have a little bit left. To give you an idea: the Eric Clapton model 000-28EC, designed and individually signed by Clapton comes in two models. The East Indian rosewood standard model lists for $3500 or so, the Brazilian model for around $10,000. I believe they have one or two other models that are available in Brazilian. If you want to drool over guitars, go to their website and find the limited editions section. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC this is the guitar for which I currently lust: http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/L-Series/arlo.html nice LITTLE box. I would get it set up with real low action at first. lol, sheesh what am I doing drooling over guitars. BRAD! see what you did! :D Em - --- McMillan Brad wrote: > I have had the opportunity to play a Sigma before, and it was nice. > Good fit > and finish and a sweet tone. I am actually looking for a smaller than > dreadnought size. Maybe an orchestra or an 'O' size. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:08:05 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: > Being on vacation I'm listening to lots of music and I just put on Blind Boy > Fuller. > In these 1935-39 recordings, he's either playing solo guitar or is sometimes > accompanied by Blind Gary Davis on guitar and Bull City Red on washboard > (couldn't resist the name dropping). No piano here anywhere. 1. With no piano or harmonica as a reference, the guitarist(s) can tune to whatever they want. Hendrix (and Stevie Ray) tuned a half step down. So even though Purple Haze, etc are in Eb, he was playing E on the guitar. 2. Records in those days had no actual standard speed, as weird as that is! Of course 78rpm was supposedly the correct speed, but Edison himself said 80rpm, so it wasn't always the same, and mistakes were made when transcribing to LPs and newer formats. Chuck Eisenhardt wrote: > Well......there were no digital tuners in those days.... > eveyone would tune to the piano, which can drift a > semi-tone seasonally with the climate. True, but studio pianos were most likely tuned to concert pitch, to be in tune to horns, etc. I think the keys on the Chuck Berry records were the ones they used. Keith may have been drunk, but he knows his shit. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:18 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song Dear Sherelle, I'm so glad your musical career is taking off! May all your dreams come true, never stop putting your amazing talent out there. Hope to see you in September. love db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 3:56:01 PM >>> Dear Donna, No tears my friend! I felt a similar sadness when I've missed all the wonderful Jonifests but there is a time for every season. It seems like musical dreams are starting to come true for many on this list and I would like to be one of those persons too. My hope and dream is to have my own concert this September at the same exact venue. Right now, they have a date open for September 17th so my daughter who is managing the business end for me and I are trying to snag the date. I also have this guy who is a vocalist/guitarist to hopefully open for me and he will knock your socks off! His name is Steve and he has this unbelievable voice! He was actually playing across the street at the Metro Station (He played real good for free) and I was so amazed by what I heard, I went up to him and gave him my card. So that is my dream and it looks like a realistic one. Maybe I can see you there but if not, I will see you sometime. I don't plan on turning back now!!! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:43:56 -0500 > >Sherelle & Walt, > >You both never cease to amaze me with your wisdom and kind words on >this list. Thanks to you both for being here. > >Dear Sherelle, congratulations on your success on Saturday night. I >got tears reading Bob's account of it this morning, but now that I'm >done feeling sorry for myself for not being able to make it, I wanted to >express my continued support and admiration of your talent. love db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 11:05:58 AM > >>> >Hi Walt, > >I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I >had >some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used to >use >Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of >frustration >and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the addition >of a >couple of phrases" > >"Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make >everything >I dread, and everything I fear come true.." > >I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: > >"We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." > >I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life >doesn't >have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. > >Sherelle > > >Walt wrote: > >[Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis in > >'95-'96, >I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from >TI, >esp. >the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and >everything >I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor >translates, >for >me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father got >terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take >care of >him >in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song >mostly >makes >me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, >Joni's >obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's >and >her >mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. the >line >"For >God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you know, > >etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:26:44 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, another silly "joni in the workplace" story Dear Emiliano  you are the king of interrupting sorrow, do you know that? I come when you whistle when you're loving and kind  which is all the time. You told us to have a wonderful time, so I am following your command! Im in rare form anyway because we're having our Undergraduate Awards Reception today and Im in charge of it . Yikes  help me! Lots of details (things that can go wrong), but Im feeling so good and my co-workers all tell me Im looking fine in my kick-pleat skirt with my eyelids painted just a little green and black silk stockings of refinement. I kid you not  thats really what Im wearing....although the stockings aren't REAL silk, and that description of the skirt is a stretch...its more flouncy than pleated, but it IS kicky ("I feel kicky, oh so kicky, I feel kicky and witty and bright...") Okay, so Im already ON today, and then I read the latest jmdl digest and - -- UH OH! That put the quarter in the Wurlitzer. Porous with Joni fever again, and this time Im at work. I had to phone a colleague and I got Joni silly! Stuart is our Hebrew professor who plays classical guitar, loves JT and likes Joni  the closest thing to a fan in my whole department (next to Osvaldo, the Spanish professor who can only listen to Hejira once a year because, well, you know how intense it is). Well, I had a question about the spelling of one of our awards and needed to talk to him, so, I called him at home (a rare occurrence, so keep in mind that hes not expecting me AT ALL). A male voice answers: Hello? (He sounds slightly interrupted/annoyed.) Stuart!, I say, as bright as a neon light. Its Joni Mitchell! There is noise in the background (leaf blower, vacuum cleaner?) and no immediate response from the person who picked up the phone, and Im thinking: Oh, merde! What if its not Stuart? Then he says: Who????????? I said, brighter still: JONI MITCHELL! Stuart then recognized my voice and thankfully played along (these guys have learned by now how to humor me). Joni!!!!! Where have you been? We havent talked in ages! Youre in my blood like holy wine and Ive missed you! Patti/Joni: Oh, Ive been painting. Stuart: Dont you sing anymore? Patti/Joni: Well, I used to sing my sorrow, but now I paint my joy. Stuart: Is that true? I went on to fill him in a bit on whats up with Notre Joan, and then we switched to business (it's the Bnai Zion award, btw,...no apostrophe between the "B" and the "n") But it was fun and Im still smiling over it....may you all be smiling, too! Okay, off to the awards ceremony (and the winner of the Outstanding Senior Scholar in French AND the Baden Wuerttemberg Scholarship is: JONI MITCHELL!!!!!) Peace, Patti, always with a Joni song in her heart and mind ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:25:44 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: new pope NJC Ratzinger elected Pope. May I be the first to say that I'm disappointed with his performance so far. mike in bcn np Tom Waits - Alice NPIMH - The Whole World's Watching... The Whole World's Watching... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:40:14 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Cute little feller. Scale length (distance from bridge to nut) is 3" less than most guitars. Would be a good size for someone with small hands. My biggest problem with Gibsons is they tend to be kinda overpriced. This one lists for $2600 ($1700 at Elderly). It went for about $85 in 1962! On the plus side, solid wood all around, American made. I have a Gibson Dove I picked up used. It's pretty nice, not my dream guitar, but fits for certain things. Has kind of a dark sound, and records really well. Gibson electrics are another story: essential! And still pricey. Love my Les Paul for rockin' out, even though it weighs a ton. RR Em wrote: > this is the guitar for which I currently lust: > http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/L-Series/arlo.html > nice LITTLE box. I would get it set up with real low action at first. > lol, sheesh what am I doing drooling over guitars. > BRAD! see what you did! > :D > Em > > --- McMillan Brad wrote: > > > I have had the opportunity to play a Sigma before, and it was nice. > > Good fit > > and finish and a sweet tone. I am actually looking for a smaller than > > dreadnought size. Maybe an orchestra or an 'O' size. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC fun to look at stuff though, huh? Guess it doesn't hurt to look. And of course now, with the internet, its so darn EZ to look! As for me, I need to just (to paraphrase Zappa) shut up and play my (own darn) guitar! :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Cute little feller. Scale length (distance from bridge to nut) is 3" > less than most guitars. Would be a good size for someone with > small hands. My biggest problem with Gibsons is they tend to > be kinda overpriced. This one lists for $2600 ($1700 at Elderly). > It went for about $85 in 1962! On the plus side, solid wood all > around, American made. I have a Gibson Dove I picked up > used. It's pretty nice, not my dream guitar, but fits for certain > things. Has kind of a dark sound, and records really well. > Gibson electrics are another story: essential! And still pricey. > Love my Les Paul for rockin' out, even though it weighs a ton. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:01:43 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Or to quote Jimi, "Thats all right, I still got my guitar. Look out now!" Quoting Em : > fun to look at stuff though, huh? > Guess it doesn't hurt to look. And of course now, with the internet, > its so darn EZ to look! > As for me, I need to just (to paraphrase Zappa) shut up and play my > (own darn) guitar! > :) > Em > > --- Randy Remote wrote: > > > Cute little feller. Scale length (distance from bridge to nut) is > 3" > > less than most guitars. Would be a good size for someone with > > small hands. My biggest problem with Gibsons is they tend to > > be kinda overpriced. This one lists for $2600 ($1700 at Elderly). > > It went for about $85 in 1962! On the plus side, solid wood all > > around, American made. I have a Gibson Dove I picked up > > used. It's pretty nice, not my dream guitar, but fits for certain > > things. Has kind of a dark sound, and records really well. > > Gibson electrics are another story: essential! And still pricey. > > Love my Les Paul for rockin' out, even though it weighs a ton. > > RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:19:44 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song Wahhhhh! Now you are going to make me cry! That goes for you too! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:18 -0500 > >Dear Sherelle, > >I'm so glad your musical career is taking off! May all your dreams >come true, never stop putting your amazing talent out there. Hope to >see you in September. love db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 3:56:01 PM > >>> > >Dear Donna, > >No tears my friend! I felt a similar sadness when I've missed all the >wonderful Jonifests but there is a time for every season. It seems like > >musical dreams are starting to come true for many on this list and I >would >like to be one of those persons too. > >My hope and dream is to have my own concert this September at the same >exact >venue. Right now, they have a date open for September 17th so my >daughter >who is managing the business end for me and I are trying to snag the >date. I >also have this guy who is a vocalist/guitarist to hopefully open for me >and >he will knock your socks off! His name is Steve and he has this >unbelievable >voice! He was actually playing across the street at the Metro Station >(He >played real good for free) and I was so amazed by what I heard, I went >up to >him and gave him my card. > >So that is my dream and it looks like a realistic one. Maybe I can see >you >there but if not, I will see you sometime. I don't plan on turning back > >now!!! > >Love, Sherelle > > >From: "Donna Binkley" > >To: , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song > >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:43:56 -0500 > > > >Sherelle & Walt, > > > >You both never cease to amaze me with your wisdom and kind words on > >this list. Thanks to you both for being here. > > > >Dear Sherelle, congratulations on your success on Saturday night. I > >got tears reading Bob's account of it this morning, but now that I'm > >done feeling sorry for myself for not being able to make it, I wanted >to > >express my continued support and admiration of your talent. love db > > > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 11:05:58 >AM > > >>> > >Hi Walt, > > > >I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I > >had > >some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used >to > >use > >Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of > >frustration > >and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the >addition > >of a > >couple of phrases" > > > >"Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make > >everything > >I dread, and everything I fear come true.." > > > >I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: > > > >"We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." > > > >I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life > >doesn't > >have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. > > > >Sherelle > > > > > >Walt wrote: > > > >[Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis >in > > > >'95-'96, > >I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from > >TI, > >esp. > >the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and > >everything > >I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor > >translates, > >for > >me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father >got > >terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take > >care of > >him > >in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song > >mostly > >makes > >me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, > >Joni's > >obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's > >and > >her > >mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. >the > >line > >"For > >God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you >know, > > > >etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:02:31 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC RR; I know, I know. When ever I have a masochistic thought mingled with a desire to self stimulate, I go the Martin site and think up ridiculously expensive guitars I will never be able to afford to order. I think my '67 D-35 is one of those last Brazilians. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "McMillan Brad" Cc: "Richard Flynn" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > McMillan Brad wrote: > > > Richard; > > Do you remember an ancient tale about Martins changing a little in the late > > 70's or early 80's because of a ban on harvesting South American rosewood? > > I remember some rumour about them switching to African rosewood but it was > > supposed to be some kind of secret about when exactly that happened. They > > were supposedly working off stored, aged wood that they kept in vaults and > > it took them a few years to run out. Then there was the one about them > > hoarding this old wood that they only used for one off custom guitars. > > Brazilian rosewood is very hard to come by these days. Guitar wood buyers > go to Brazil and buy old burned stumps for the wood. Martin switched to > East Indian rosewood in the late sixties. But they still have a little bit left. > > To give you an idea: the Eric Clapton model 000-28EC, designed and > individually signed by Clapton comes in two models. The East Indian > rosewood standard model lists for $3500 or so, the Brazilian model for > around $10,000. I believe they have one or two other models that are > available in Brazilian. If you want to drool over guitars, go to their website > and find the limited editions section. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:37:37 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Ah, but Em, it is a fine fetish! In my humble opinion, the only thing made from a tree that is more beautiful than the original tree is a musical instrument. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "McMillan Brad" ; "jonilist" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > this is the guitar for which I currently lust: > http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/L-Series/arlo.html > nice LITTLE box. I would get it set up with real low action at first. > lol, sheesh what am I doing drooling over guitars. > BRAD! see what you did! > :D > Em > > --- McMillan Brad wrote: > > > I have had the opportunity to play a Sigma before, and it was nice. > > Good fit > > and finish and a sweet tone. I am actually looking for a smaller than > > dreadnought size. Maybe an orchestra or an 'O' size. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC - --- McMillan Brad wrote: > Ah, but Em, it is a fine fetish! > In my humble opinion, the only thing made from a tree that is more > beautiful > than the original tree is a musical instrument. So true Brad. I'd have to agree with you 100%. And thanks actually, for getting me off my duff. Had been wanting to start messing w/ the guitar again after so many years, but today on the way home I FINALLY stopped off for strings (ol Black Diamond brand) for both guitars (theirs are at least 15 years old) a winder-thingy and a hand/grip excercizer. So we'll see how it goes. You guys have me into it again a bit. Lets see if I can handle the pain of making new callouses. Kinda neat going into the little old neighborhood music store too. Same guy there as 20 years ago I think... kinda neat! So thanks Brad, Richard, RR and whoever all else was in this thread. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:35:38 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Well, I guess my job here is done. Time to saddle up and mosey to the hacienda. Then I'll pour a glass of sasparilla and pick up the ol' Martin and play along with Joni as the sun sets. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "McMillan Brad" ; "jonilist" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > --- McMillan Brad wrote: > > Ah, but Em, it is a fine fetish! > > In my humble opinion, the only thing made from a tree that is more > > beautiful > > than the original tree is a musical instrument. > > So true Brad. I'd have to agree with you 100%. > > And thanks actually, for getting me off my duff. Had been wanting to > start messing w/ the guitar again after so many years, but today on the > way home I FINALLY stopped off for strings (ol Black Diamond brand) for > both guitars (theirs are at least 15 years old) a winder-thingy and a > hand/grip excercizer. > So we'll see how it goes. > You guys have me into it again a bit. Lets see if I can handle the pain > of making new callouses. > Kinda neat going into the little old neighborhood music store too. Same > guy there as 20 years ago I think... > kinda neat! > So thanks Brad, Richard, RR and whoever all else was in this thread. > :) > Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:40:45 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC Em; Music stores sell a hand grip exerciser that has spring-loaded buttons on it. I guess it doubles for brass players. Anyway, I also highly recommend another type found at sporting good emporiums or physical therapy clinics or medical supply stores. It is a block of rubber to be held in the hand with scalloped places for the fingers. This is good for strengthening the muscles of the fingers and in the back of the hand. Have fun tonight! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "McMillan Brad" ; "jonilist" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > --- McMillan Brad wrote: > > Ah, but Em, it is a fine fetish! > > In my humble opinion, the only thing made from a tree that is more > > beautiful > > than the original tree is a musical instrument. > > So true Brad. I'd have to agree with you 100%. > > And thanks actually, for getting me off my duff. Had been wanting to > start messing w/ the guitar again after so many years, but today on the > way home I FINALLY stopped off for strings (ol Black Diamond brand) for > both guitars (theirs are at least 15 years old) a winder-thingy and a > hand/grip excercizer. > So we'll see how it goes. > You guys have me into it again a bit. Lets see if I can handle the pain > of making new callouses. > Kinda neat going into the little old neighborhood music store too. Same > guy there as 20 years ago I think... > kinda neat! > So thanks Brad, Richard, RR and whoever all else was in this thread. > :) > Em ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #169 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)