From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #167 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 18 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 167 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tori does Joni [arwen evenstar ] Re: SJC Hello I'm new and love Joni's music [Bob Muller ] Re: Michael Jackson, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni History - The Early Days [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! [Em ] Re: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! [Joseph Palis ] Re: Gmail and the list (njc) [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! -- and DC get together? [Lori Fye ] Re: Rants and raves and barrel bottoms and whatever ["McMillan Brad" ] Blue in Top 100 [arwen evenstar ] Six perfect (and almost perfect) albums ["Sherelle Smith" ] Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Beaker Street, SJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Beaker Street, SJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: howdy from a lurker (Now NJC) [Lori Fye ] Shawn Colvin update NJC ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Job's Sad Song ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Beaker Street, SJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: howdy from a lurker (Now NJC) ["Ruth Davis" ] Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] Need One Ticket for Commonwealth Club [Stephen Pelton ] Re: Playing Blue [Howard ] Re: guitar ?? NJC ["ron" ] We have a winner in the RR contest! [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Beaker Street, SJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Pick a pope, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Fw: guitar ?? NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! ["Sherelle Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:44:47 +0100 (BST) From: arwen evenstar Subject: Tori does Joni So far Tori has performed a cover of River and a cover of the Circle Game during her current tour. I'm going to the London gig and have my fingers crossed she'll do one there!! http://www.toriset.org/ http://thedent.com/tourlist05.html#solo2005 Tamsin Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SJC Hello I'm new and love Joni's music Hello Rex, and welcome - while the latest compilation offers a stunning tracklist, there's nothing noteworthy about it except for the fact that the 16-minute opus Paprika Plains from DJRD is a remix/remaster, which is pretty superfluous because like they say down south "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Thanks for the introduction - hope to hear more from you! Bob NP: Anita Gabrielle, "Woodstock" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:27:51 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: gmail NJC I forget who it was that was offering a gmail account. I would like to play with this - can the person who offered it contact me off-list? Thanks!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:30:56 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, njc LOL! > Re mj "He has been reluctant to face reality," > > Well if that isn't an understatement! Also reluctant to have a real face! Hi Ya'll, Michael Jackson is very talented. I think it is sad what is going on today with him. I enjoy his music, especially the older stuff. I wish the press would leave him alone... but then they wouldn't be the press, always pressing and depressing. I think he looks good in some photos. If he likes the way he looks, that is really all that matters in my opinion. I don't agree with what he did, but what I find just as reprehensible is that the parents of the kids gave them permission to be in an unhealthy situation. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:06:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni History - The Early Days Had it not already been recorded by Joni and George Hamilton IV by then? Jerry > And of course "Urge For Going" which at that time would have been in the same > category. > > Bob > > NP: Volker Niehusmann & Christiane Weber, "Conversation" > > Les Irvin wrote: >> Avon Theatre >> Stratford, Ontario, Canada >> July 10th, 1969 >> 17) Play Little David > > I find it interesting that she was still playing an older, unrecorded song > at this point in her career. > > Thanks for the interesting nit of history, Gary. > Les > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! Hi Bob, thanks for giving us a report on what sounds like a wonderful time. Congrats to Sherelle! Must be awesome! Happy too, that you guys got to meet up. Sounds like Fun! :) Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Whew - just got back from a whirlwind weekend in DC - to catch our > very own 'Rising Star' Sherelle Cary Smith in the Musical Play > "Roberta - Killing Me Softly" and it will come as NO shock to anyone > who has had the pleasure of hearing her that she was magnificent. ...snip... > Also was great to meet Ruth from Richmond & her Mom Elaine who is a > real sweetheart & trooper, and of course Lori who also snagged me > from Dulles and drove me on every road in the metro DC area I do > believe! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:29:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! Thanks for the report, Bob. DC is about 2-3 hours away from Chapel Hill and I might be able to watch the legend-in-the-making Sherelle. Might it not interest some JMDLers to have a mini-Jonifest in the DC area? Bob, thanks for the heads-up on versions of Joni's songs in various languages. Acquiring them will be my project after school ends. Joseph in Chapel Hill (overcast skies) Bob Muller wrote: Whew - just got back from a whirlwind weekend in DC - to catch our very own 'Rising Star' Sherelle Cary Smith in the Musical Play "Roberta - Killing Me Softly" and it will come as NO shock to anyone who has had the pleasure of hearing her that she was magnificent. The music of Roberta Flack was a perfect fit for Sherelle's voice and it was a wonderful time revisiting this great music. Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:38:36 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Beaker Street, SJC Anybody know of Clyde Clifford and Beaker Street from the 60's on? He's a friend of mine. He was literally broadcast all over the world back then and changed the course of what was being broadcast: _http://www.beakerstreet.com/faq.htm_ (http://www.beakerstreet.com/faq.htm) Enjoy! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:33:41 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc Chuck E wrote: Not sure if Berry played in C a lot....I'm also not sure that I hear signature Berry guitars riffs as having been born on piano.... any examples? Thanks to everyone for their input. I find it interesting that the keys one pianist or guitarist likes are disliked by another player. Spice of life.. I doubt that Chuck would tune half a step down, as Catherine pondered. For sure he never used a capo when I saw him about a dozen times (including january 2005). So, after reading all the posts I come to the conclusion that indeed Keith Richards, who I assume knows his stuff, was right about Chuck's songs being written in piano keys. Yes Chuck, Carol and Roll over Beethoven are in C, 3 out of 15 tracks on my greatest hits. As far as the famous guitar riff, that's a tough one. I can't really "put a finger on it". I was listening to some lesser known Chuck albums last night. On some tracks he's quite lazy on guitar. The tunes still sound like CB songs BECAUSE JJ is doing all the work. So Chuck's genius IMO was really adapting piano boogie for guitar, as well as being an incredible poet and entertainer. By the same token, to me the essence of the Stones' sound is Charlie Watts. What I mean is you don't notice how Charlie is essential until you listen to solo projects and then you feel what's missing. Likewise, JJ accompanied by any rock guitarist playing Johnnie B Goode sounded like the real deal to me. He was "the key". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:38:47 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: howdy from a lurker (Now NJC) Hi Ruth! I'm a little behind on digests so please forgive. Yes, I love that song, "It's Hard to Kiss the Lips at Night that Chewed Your Ass Out All Day Long"! The video is hillarious!!!! Vince Gill and Rodney Crowell (Roseanne Cash's ex-hubby) play themselves as well as their spouses. You can imagine how it turned out! I'm a big fan of both guys so you know I love this song!!! Yes, I remember the low-watt am radio staions when I was growing up and what I loved most was that you could hear, Santana, Jeannie C. Riley, The Doors, and Wilson Pickett all in the same day on the same station. I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that this new trend is happening. I really believe in my heart that we are going to get back to basics with radio airplay again and that DJ's will play what they want to play as well as what the people want to hear once again! I just love how life works... everything old is new again. It's very encouraging! Love, Sherelle (who is still most thrilled about having had the chance to meet your wonderful mother!) Ruth wrote: Hello, and thanks for the info on Twinemen. I live in Richmond, VA and we now have an "indie" low-watt radio station. I love it! It reminds me of how radio was back before Clear Channel took it all over. I heard a great satirical country song on that station. It was called "It's Hard to Kiss the Lips at Night that Chewed Your Ass All Day". I even heard Joni on the station. In response to National Child Abuse Month, they were playing Cherokee Louise. I like hearing about new and different music. Keep us posted! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: Shawn Colvin--sjc Hi all, This is in regards to the Shawn Colvin discussion thread yesterday about 'Whole New You'. I've been a big fan of Shawn's over the years and tend to over-eagerly leap to her defense anytime she's remotely criticized. While 'Whole New You' is no doubt the least powerful of her cd's, if you give it some time (and the choice is obviously up to you) I suspect the songs will begin to grow on you. I think I probably put that in the cd player more than any of her other cd's still, perhaps since it's the most recent (besides the greatest hits comp. also mentioned) and I've worn down all of her other stuff. As far as what she's up to now, she definetely is still going strong. She has a new album planned for release later this year and is touring all summer (this isn't announced yet officially I don't think) in her own right and as an opening act/ double bill for John Hiatt. Her concerts are still as engaging and wonderful as ever--almost always solo acoustic and that's where she's best. Just her and a guitar, the sarcastic hillarity between songs and the most beautiful songs you could ask for. Well worth the money every time. It is sadly difficult to get information about her, as the website at www.shawncolvin.com has not been updated (as was brought up) in so long. Funny thing is, I used to have a very-well maintained Shawn site that got no support at all, so after 4 years or so I closed it and her management seems to do little for her. She is still around and powerful as ever, and as someone who doesn't know her but has met her several times, I must add a thought to the comment on whether she's tired and doesn't want to raise a child for the next 20 years. She's spoken out a lot lately about her depression, first on Oprah, then in other awareness meetings, interviews, etc. Having her daughter has seemed to bring more joy to her than she has ever experienced. While the songs have never been happy and will probably continue on that way, she has never seemed more content and happy in real life. I think she's liking motherhood so much that she actually puts it as first priority over her career, something that many claim but few do. Anyways, that's my response to the Shawn thing. Give her new album a chance whenever it comes out--Shawn will always be worth it. Also, while on the subject, someone posted something about Joni possibly dissing Shawn in a recent interview or something? What was that--what was said? Zach __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:58:35 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: gmail NJC Les Irvin offered, but I have a bunch of accounts too, and I'll send one your way! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:57:15 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Gmail and the list (njc) Gmail is Google's foray into email-land, and they've come up with a pretty good product that is still in Beta testing and -- just so you'll feel special, I guess -- is available by invitation only. (Which is funny, because users generally end up with plenty of invitations to pass around, so the "special feeling" lasts only awhile.) Anyway, for a list like the JMDL -- particularly if you're receiving individual posts (as opposed to the digest) -- Gmail is great because of the way it organizes threads. It also allows you to search email so you don't have to spend a lot of time looking for something. The other nice thing about it (besides the service being free) is that Gmail allows at least 2 GB of storage space per account, and they're trying to allow more. That essentially means that, unless you're receiving a lot of large attachments, you'll probably never have to delete email (or you won't have to delete it for several years). More info here: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html If you're interested in an account, just ask! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:08:58 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! -- and DC get together? Sherelle mentioned that she may be performing again -- I believe she said it was just be her, and not as part of a musicial or ensemble -- in September. As for a get together in DC, that would be lovely. However, someone will have to take the reins on organizing it because, as much as I would like to take care of it, I simply don't have the time. If y'all come up with something, though, let me know!! Lori, 4/10 of a mile from Shrub's (temporary) home as I write ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:12:02 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: guitar ?? NJC Em; I use a capo frequently and I'll tell you why. Those who dis capo users assume that the player is avoiding playing a song in a certain key, thus avoiding certain chord structures that are difficult to finger. Well, there is some truth to that. But, did you ever see a Joni song written in "regular" tuning? I don't have enough fingers on my left hand for all those "augmented diminished 9th" chords. So, her open tunings become an obvious choice, besides the fact that those open tuning songs wouldn't sound right in regular tuning. (Imagine trying to play Cold Blue Steel without the low E dropped to G below G). So sometimes, avoiding difficult fingering is not a bad thing. Okay, so sometimes a song just sounds better in a certain key, the correct pitch for the vocalist being arrived at by capo. Then there is fingerpicking styles. There are some songs I can play in several keys, but they just sound better in a certain key that allows me to pick certain 'grace' notes. How to play in that key but adjust the pitch? Capo! Years ago, I used to play with a fellow and we had a kind of signature sound that we arrived at by having one of us capo up a fifth, or even a seventh and pick in a different key. Capo produced that sound. I am a capo defender. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "jonilist" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: guitar ?? NJC > do people think capos are really bogus? > or are they legit? > usta be legit....just wondering what the current wisdom is... > like must one receive "noogies" if one uses a capo? > thx > Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:13:14 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Rants and raves and barrel bottoms and whatever Thanks, Bryan - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Rants and raves and barrel bottoms and whatever > And this from the lady who complained (sort of) about being asked to sing > her fans' favorite songs over and over. (I'm thinking of the interlude on > MOA where she compares performing artists to painters.) > > But more importantly, where IS Hissing? Hejira? or DJRD? > > I have been rebuilding my Joni collection in CD's and have been unable to > find Hissing or DJRD or Night > > I wouldn't expect those CDs to grace the shelves of the vast majority of > music stores. They're just too "old" and weren't multi-platinum to begin with. But > they are all available at online retailers, and in fact Hejira in particular > sells relatively well much of the time (yes, I actually pay attention to that > stuff). > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc OTOH Chuck Berry has played many many many gigs with pickup bands that sound really pretty decent. Even with no piano at all, I think. I'm wondering if JJ was still on board for that live in London album.... hmm..... but Chuck *did* originate that "riff" intro though, right? Can anyone think of someone doing that before CB? The intro like on Johnny B Goode and so many others, which then appears on Beatles songs and also in some surf band songs (surfin USA?), and in countless others.... not so concerned about riffs once the song is going, but that "signature" intro thing..like where he "kick starts" the song...and gets your brain going about 100 mph before it kicks in. YOU KNOW WHAT???? I think it *is* a piano tension thing???? Cuz some Jerry Lee Lewis songs have it too. An exquisite "tension". Very sexual, I must say. em ps I'm not arguing by the way, lol, just 'jammin" verbally on the rock and roll, so dear to our soul. pps dang this weekend I was painting a mural at my aunts house and she put her direct TV on in the digital music section and I listened to the "Blues" channel for 2 days. I haven't heard that much good ROCK AND ROLL in a long long time. Weird huh? to have to go to the blues channel, to find what I consider rock n roll. Maybe its come full circle? - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Chuck E wrote: > Not sure if Berry played in C a lot....I'm also not sure that I hear > signature Berry guitars riffs as having been born on piano.... > any examples? > > > > Thanks to everyone for their input. I find it interesting that the > keys one > pianist or guitarist likes are disliked by another player. Spice of > life.. > I doubt that Chuck would tune half a step down, as Catherine > pondered. For > sure he never used a capo when I saw him about a dozen times > (including > january 2005). > So, after reading all the posts I come to the conclusion that indeed > Keith > Richards, who I assume knows his stuff, was right about Chuck's songs > being > written in piano keys. > Yes Chuck, Carol and Roll over Beethoven are in C, 3 out of 15 tracks > on my > greatest hits. > As far as the famous guitar riff, that's a tough one. I can't really > "put a > finger on it". I was listening to some lesser known Chuck albums > last night. > On some tracks he's quite lazy on guitar. The tunes still sound like > CB songs > BECAUSE JJ is doing all the work. > So Chuck's genius IMO was really adapting piano boogie for guitar, as > well as > being an incredible poet and entertainer. > > By the same token, to me the essence of the Stones' sound is Charlie > Watts. > What I mean is you don't notice how Charlie is essential until you > listen to > solo projects and then you feel what's missing. > Likewise, JJ accompanied by any rock guitarist playing Johnnie B > Goode sounded > like the real deal to me. He was "the key". > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:21:36 +0100 (BST) From: arwen evenstar Subject: Blue in Top 100 2 posts in one day, I don't know what's come over me UK listers may have caught Channel 4's Top 100 Album chart last night. Some "interesting" choices... I know these things are a matter of personal taste. But.... Joshua Tree better than every single Beatles album??? Come on! 2 Oasis albums in the top 20!!! I rest my case. Blue made it in at number 66 at any rate http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/albums/results.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:29:29 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Six perfect (and almost perfect) albums Hi David, I wanted to add Shadows & Light to your list but decided to come up with my own. I agree with you...what a run she's had! My Six Perfect (and almost perfect) Joni Albums 1. Shdows & Light 2. Court & Spark 3. Hissing of Summer Lawns 4. Hejeira 5. Blue 6. Turbulent Indigo Sherelle David wrote: The thing is, IMHO, Joni created six perfect albums: Blue, FTR, C&S, THOSL, Hejira and DJRD. Who else has created SIX albums that were so thrilling and creative? The Beatles, Dylan, The Stones, Elton John . . . Not very many others, I would guess. What a run! Everything after that was bound to be a bit of a letdown, but she has written some incredible work over the last 25 years. We Joni fans are so spoiled! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:38:10 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: howdy from a lurker (Now NJC) It was great meeting you, Sherelle, as well as Bob and Lori. Keep me posted on your planned show in September. Ruth - -- "Sherelle Smith" wrote: Hi Ruth! I'm a little behind on digests so please forgive. Yes, I love that song, "It's Hard to Kiss the Lips at Night that Chewed Your Ass Out All Day Long"! The video is hillarious!!!! Vince Gill and Rodney Crowell (Roseanne Cash's ex-hubby) play themselves as well as their spouses. You can imagine how it turned out! I'm a big fan of both guys so you know I love this song!!! Yes, I remember the low-watt am radio staions when I was growing up and what I loved most was that you could hear, Santana, Jeannie C. Riley, The Doors, and Wilson Pickett all in the same day on the same station. I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that this new trend is happening. I really believe in my heart that we are going to get back to basics with radio airplay again and that DJ's will play what they want to play as well as what the people want to hear once again! I just love how life works... everything old is new again. It's very encouraging! Love, Sherelle (who is still most thrilled about having had the chance to meet your wonderful mother!) Ruth wrote: Hello, and thanks for the info on Twinemen. I live in Richmond, VA and we now have an "indie" low-watt radio station. I love it! It reminds me of how radio was back before Clear Channel took it all over. I heard a great satirical country song on that station. It was called "It's Hard to Kiss the Lips at Night that Chewed Your Ass All Day". I even heard Joni on the station. In response to National Child Abuse Month, they were playing Cherokee Louise. I like hearing about new and different music. Keep us posted! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:27:21 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Johnnie Johnson, piano keys, njc Em, Chuck is supposed to have been influenced by T Bone Walker. Not sure about that riff although I never thought it created a sexual tension! You must be what Jerry Lee calls: "Ball of Fire" Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:05:58 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Job's Sad Song Hi Walt, I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I had some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used to use Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of frustration and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the addition of a couple of phrases" "Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make everything I dread, and everything I fear come true.." I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: "We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life doesn't have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. Sherelle Walt wrote: [Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis in '95-'96, I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from TI, esp. the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and everything I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor translates, for me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father got terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take care of him in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song mostly makes me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, Joni's obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's and her mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. the line "For God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you know, etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:10:35 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Beaker Street, SJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Anybody know of Clyde Clifford and Beaker Street from the 60's on? > I remember cruising around my hometown in Iowa late at night during the summers of my college years and finding Beaker Street on the car radio. Always an ear and mind opening experience. Thanks for posting this URL, Lucy. Isn't it cool that Joni's 'The Circle Game' was the last song Clifford played to end the last broadcast of Beaker Street's KAAY incarnation? Good to see that the program and format are still going on. There are some alternatives to 'formula music, girly guile' on the airwaves after all. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:14:04 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Beaker Street, SJC Mark wrote: I remember cruising around my hometown in Iowa late at night during the summers of my college years and finding Beaker Street on the car radio. Always an ear and mind opening experience. Thanks for posting this URL, Lucy. Hi Mark, Lucy is off somewhere with Ricky. Love, Ethel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:14:24 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: howdy from a lurker (Now NJC) Sherelle wrote that she was ... > still most thrilled about having had the chance to meet your wonderful mother! And I have to agree! What a delightful woman! Actually, Ruth, what delightful women the BOTH of you are!! Wishing we'd had more time to spend together (but we'll do it again, for sure), Lori P.S. to Sherelle: you ROCKED on Saturday night! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:53:18 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Shawn Colvin update NJC Catherine wrote: < Well, musically, I don't know what she's up to. All I can say is I was watching "Queer Eye" recenlty which did a stint in Texas. One of their makeovers was a guy in Ft. Worth who writes songs so they took him to a bar to work with ... Shawn Colvin. I nearly jumped off the couch yelling, "Shawn Colvin!!!" The QE guys had played the makeover's song for her and she had a comment or two for the makeover candidate and they were off. Dang! I could have used more of her and less of the makeover, quite frankly. That's my Shawn spotting. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:43:56 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song Sherelle & Walt, You both never cease to amaze me with your wisdom and kind words on this list. Thanks to you both for being here. Dear Sherelle, congratulations on your success on Saturday night. I got tears reading Bob's account of it this morning, but now that I'm done feeling sorry for myself for not being able to make it, I wanted to express my continued support and admiration of your talent. love db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 11:05:58 AM >>> Hi Walt, I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I had some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used to use Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of frustration and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the addition of a couple of phrases" "Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make everything I dread, and everything I fear come true.." I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: "We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life doesn't have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. Sherelle Walt wrote: [Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis in '95-'96, I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from TI, esp. the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and everything I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor translates, for me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father got terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take care of him in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song mostly makes me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, Joni's obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's and her mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. the line "For God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you know, etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:33:48 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Beaker Street, SJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: Thanks for > posting this URL, Lucy. > > Hi Mark, > > Lucy is off somewhere with Ricky. > > Love, > Ethel How embarrassing! I guess I was focusing on the LC in your email address and got Lucy in my head. As I was writing the post I was thinking, 'No, this isn't Lucy, it's Laura' and then went ahead and wrote Lucy anyway! Sorry about that, Ethel. If you see Lucy, tell her I need the rent check pronto! Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:40:11 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: howdy from a lurker (Now NJC) Lori, it was great meeting you, Bob and Sherelle. As my mother said, it is nice to get together with people that you have things in common with. And everyone who missed Sherelle missed a GREAT performance! Ruth - -- Lori Fye wrote: Sherelle wrote that she was ... > still most thrilled about having had the chance to meet your wonderful mother! And I have to agree! What a delightful woman! Actually, Ruth, what delightful women the BOTH of you are!! Wishing we'd had more time to spend together (but we'll do it again, for sure), Lori P.S. to Sherelle: you ROCKED on Saturday night! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:43:20 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Fw: guitar ?? NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "McMillan Brad" To: "Em" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: guitar ?? NJC > Next topic: > Who makes the best production acoustic guitars today? > > I include the word "production", meaning mass produced with whatever level > of handcrafting the manufacturer may employ, as opposed to the one-of-a-kind > work of your favorite luthier. > > My personal favorite is C.F. Martin, since I own and play two of them. But > mine are 36 and 31 yrs old, so what do folks think of the new ones as > opposed to say Gibson or Taylor? or?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Em" > To: "McMillan Brad" > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: guitar ?? NJC > > > > thx Brad, seems most folks agree w/you. Was just wondering what the > > current wisdom was on this. (been so long since I've had contact > > w/players) > > :) > > Em > > > > --- McMillan Brad wrote: > > > > > Em; > > > I use a capo frequently and I'll tell you why. > > > Those who dis capo users assume that the player is avoiding playing a > > > song > > > in a certain key, thus avoiding certain chord structures that are > > > difficult > > > to finger. Well, there is some truth to that. But, did you ever see a > > > Joni > > > song written in "regular" tuning? I don't have enough fingers on my > > > left > > > hand for all those "augmented diminished 9th" chords. So, her open > > > tunings > > > become an obvious choice, besides the fact that those open tuning > > > songs > > > wouldn't sound right in regular tuning. (Imagine trying to play Cold > > > Blue > > > Steel without the low E dropped to G below G). So sometimes, avoiding > > > difficult fingering is not a bad thing. > > > > > > Okay, so sometimes a song just sounds better in a certain key, the > > > correct > > > pitch for the vocalist being arrived at by capo. > > > > > > Then there is fingerpicking styles. There are some songs I can play > > > in > > > several keys, but they just sound better in a certain key that allows > > > me to > > > pick certain 'grace' notes. How to play in that key but adjust the > > > pitch? > > > Capo! > > > Years ago, I used to play with a fellow and we had a kind of > > > signature sound > > > that we arrived at by having one of us capo up a fifth, or even a > > > seventh > > > and pick in a different key. Capo produced that sound. > > > I am a capo defender. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Em" > > > To: "jonilist" > > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:48 PM > > > Subject: guitar ?? NJC > > > > > > > > > > do people think capos are really bogus? > > > > or are they legit? > > > > usta be legit....just wondering what the current wisdom is... > > > > like must one receive "noogies" if one uses a capo? > > > > thx > > > > Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:16:30 +0100 From: Stephen Pelton Subject: Need One Ticket for Commonwealth Club Hey JMDLers, Anyone have one extra ticket for Joni's event at the Commonwealth Club in SF this Friday?? If so please contact me off-list at stephenpelton@sbcglobal.net. Thanks, SP - -- Stephen Pelton Stephen Pelton Dance Theater San Francisco/London stephenpeltondance.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin update NJC/ now Shindell this reminds me: anyone know if Richard Shindell was ever on an episode of Law and Order? Could of sworn it was him! and of course they do get all kinds of fun people on there in guest roles. thx Em - --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > < kid and now having to devote the next 20 yrs to > raising her?" We'll only know in another 10-15 yrs. > I'm not sure what Shawn is up to right now ...> > > Well, musically, I don't know what she's up to. All I can say is I > was > watching "Queer Eye" recenlty which did a stint in Texas. One of > their > makeovers was a guy in Ft. Worth who writes songs so they took him to > a bar to > work with ... Shawn Colvin. I nearly jumped off the couch yelling, > "Shawn > Colvin!!!" The QE guys had played the makeover's song for her and > she had a > comment or two for the makeover candidate and they were off. Dang! > I could > have used more of her and less of the makeover, quite frankly. > > That's my Shawn spotting. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:42:51 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Re: Playing Blue Mark, You might want to try the piano transcription of Blue I did, it's available from www.jmdl.com/guitar. Find it by searching by song or album. Without wanting to blow my own trumpet, it's pretty much note-for-note what Joni plays and will be much better than the songbook version. It's a great one to play on the piano, such a wonderful song... Howard >> >> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:15:55 -0700 >> From: "Mark or Travis" >> Subject: Playing Blue >> >> Today I received a used, soiled, dog-eared copy of the 'Joni Mitchell >> Complete Songbook Volume 2' that I bought from Ebay. I just fumbled, >> stumbled, banged and rumbled my way through the song 'Blue' on my >> keyboard for the first time. It took forever for me to get all the >> way through it but I played it. The transcription is pretty close to >> Joni's playing and I am just in awe of the beauty of it. What a >> thrill it is to play this music! Up until now I have had a very slim >> repertoire of very easy versions of such megahits as 'Scarborough >> Fair', 'Greensleeves', 'Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring', 'Die Lorelei', >> 'Fur Elise' and 'Moonlight Sonata'. On a good day I can get through >> the first four of these without too many wrong notes if I play them >> over and over a half dozen or so times. Now I really have something >> to aspire to! >> >> Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:44:15 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: guitar ?? NJC hi >>>brad wrote >> Who makes the best production acoustic guitars today? I include the word >> "production", meaning mass produced with whatever level of handcrafting >> the manufacturer may employ, as opposed to the one-of-a-kind work of your >> favorite luthier........... so what do folks think of the new ones as >> opposed to say Gibson or Taylor? or?? well - im not too sure if they would fall under your definition of "production", (mainly 'cause i know nothing about them) but i have to rate collings as the best guitar i have had the privilege of playing. out of my price range tho......... ron np - ameila - shadows & light ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:46:51 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: We have a winner in the RR contest! Bom dia, coelhos meus! We have a winner in the Romancin' Rick contest! Here's the most recent version, with persistent diacritic problems: Romancing Richard (aka Romancin' Rick) (Ia) A zltima vjs que (eu) vi Richard foi a Detroit em '68, e jle disse: "Ttdos os romanticos vco no mesmo lugar, algum dia, "Citico, e bjbado, e chateando alguem em qualquer cafi." (Ib) "Tz ries", dijo (il), "Te piensas inmune, "Va, mmrate los ojos, son lunas azules, "Te gustan rosas y besos y hombrecitos que te digan sus mentirillas bonitas -- "!Mentirillas! -- ?Cuando entenderas que no son mas que mentirillas? "Mentirillas-- mentirijillas..." (IIa) Ell va ficar uns pesos en la Wurlitzer, i va triar unas cangons, i la maquina se va pusar de girar, I la cambrera ens va venir -- portava mitjas negras i una cravat -- I va dir: "Si us plau, acabin las begudas, es [gairebi] l'hora de tancar" (IIb) "Richard", j'ai dit, "tu n'a jamais changi, ce n'est que ricemment tu idealise quelque douleur psychique, "Tes yeux sont tombeaux, mais les chansons que tu as choisis, ils sonnent "Icoute! On chante de l'amour si beau -- L'amour si doux!... "Quand vas-tu te recouvrer? 'L'amour, c'est doux, l'amour cest si doux  (IIIa) Richard ha sposato una pattinatore, E gli ha comperato una macchina di lavare [i piatti], e altra di far' la caffe, E beve in casa ora, e aspetta la TV [televisore], con tutta la casa illuminata. (IIIb) O sa sting acest lumnnare scnrbos Nu vreau ca sa aborde nimeni per masa mea, Nu vreau sa spun nimic pe nimeni! Tot8i visatori buni trec aici cnndva, S8i se ascund dinapoia sticle la cafenele nntunicate -- Cafenele intunicate! Nu e acest ca un cocon nntunecat  Am sa iau aripele (mele) frumose, S8i am sa me zbur departe! Nu e acest ca o faza, Zile aceste la cafenele nntunecate! A Ms. Catherine McKay of the Great White North said: <> [Catalan it is -- walt] <> [Other problem with Maltese is that it's basically Arabic, with a lot of Italian borrowings, but interesting choice! -- walt] <> Yes, Rumanian!! -- I could get my computer to put breve's on the a's where they belonged, but no such luck getting to stay there. Same with the cedillas on the s's and t's, where Rumanian has them. Anyway, Catherine wins her choice of See's or Ghirardelli's chocolates PLUS a San Francisco sweatshirt; and Seattle Mark, Mary P., Emiliano and the Smurfedelica all win their choices of S's or G's chocolates OR a San Fran T-shirt for their guesses, interest and/or suggestions (specify silly or sedate, and all four of you, please tell me your sizes if you go with the attire). I'll need addresses, too, 'cept for Little Blue in Bahstin, whose nest I already have in my book. By the way, anyone who actually speaks Italian and has ideas (I mean about section IIIa of R'Rick, wiseguys), please feel free to make lexical and grammatical suggestions. Ditto for Section IIIb, but I don't hold out much hope... But this isn't over, folks, oh no, not with a whack job like me -- if I find a way to go to the Eurofest in the South of France, I'm gonna start all over again, and translate it this time into Gascon, Languedocien, Auvergnat, Lemosin, Provencal, and either Provencal Alpin or Franco-Provencal. Or I might keep the Catalan, since it's spoken over the border in France, pretty near the EuroJoniFest site, if I'm not mistaken. Best to all, Weird Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:15:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > > Next topic: > > Who makes the best production acoustic guitars today? Martins continue to have a loyal following. I've never owned one (except for my oddball f-65 electric) but am thinking of remedying that situation. Santa Cruz are wonderful !!! I would love to have one, but they run $3500 or so. On the cheap end, Takemine makes a very respectable sounding and playing acoustic for under $200. I don't know how they do it, even with slave labor. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:20:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Beaker Street, SJC In a message dated 4/18/05 12:34:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: Sorry about that, Ethel. If you see Lucy, tell her I need the rent check pronto! Fred I saw her and all she said was "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" as she ran away gripping her head. Love, Ethel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:20:49 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Pick a pope, njc Pick a peck of Pope possiblities. Polish pope? Possibly. Purple pope? Improbably. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:28:24 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Fw: guitar ?? NJC I love dreadnoughts I have a 1973 Martin D-35 and a 1979 Guild D-40. Also a Dobro, a Mexican-made Strat, and old Fender Musicmaster, a cheap Yamaha 12-string, and my current favorite guitar: A National Tricone (one of the new ones, not vintage--it just sounded so much better and it's blue in honor of Picasso and Wallace Stevens). Also a piano, an autoharp and several harmonicas. I do still love that Martin I've had for 32 years now. Music occupies an entire room in my house. And as Neil Young said, "Live Music is Better Bumper Stickers should be issued!" Get well, Neil! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:15 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fw: guitar ?? NJC > > Next topic: > > Who makes the best production acoustic guitars today? Martins continue to have a loyal following. I've never owned one (except for my oddball f-65 electric) but am thinking of remedying that situation. Santa Cruz are wonderful !!! I would love to have one, but they run $3500 or so. On the cheap end, Takemine makes a very respectable sounding and playing acoustic for under $200. I don't know how they do it, even with slave labor. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:42:46 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: NJC Sherelle as Roberta - rockin' the house! Hi Bob, Thank you so much for all these wonderful words!!!! Unfortunately, I agree with you as does my family about the script but I tried to make the best of it. You have to start somewhere! (Smile) I am so touched that you made your way here to see it! I will never forget you, Lori, Mary, Ruth and Ruth's mother representing Joni-dom. Our closeness is a tribute to her!!! Love, Sherelle Bob wrote, Whew - just got back from a whirlwind weekend in DC - to catch our very own 'Rising Star' Sherelle Cary Smith in the Musical Play "Roberta - Killing Me Softly" and it will come as NO shock to anyone who has had the pleasure of hearing her that she was magnificent. The music of Roberta Flack was a perfect fit for Sherelle's voice and it was a wonderful time revisiting this great music. Especially enjoyable to me was "Jesse" ( a tune that I had forgotten), "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face", "Feel Like Makin' Love" (but not the whole thing...Rrrrrrrrr), Al Green's "Let's Stay Together", "The Thrill Is Gone", & "In A Sentimental Mood". Also very much enjoyed the classic duets with Donny Hathaway (Kevin Owens), "Where Is The Love" (what an awesome song and they really nailed the soulful harmonies on it), "The Closer I Get To You" and a unique take on "You've Got A Friend". It would have been better presented as an out & out revue, in lieu of a scripted play that involved memory losses, time capsules, blindfolds, and phone calls from the spirit world and such. Sherelle did the best she could with the script, but it would have been preferable to toss it altogether and just let her cut loose an a jazzy soul jam! Sherelle's voice was in fine form, dipping dow to the Sarah Vaughn-ish lows and soaring on the highs, and the four-piece band supporting her was also superb. Great job Sherelle, and may I also add that you looked gorgeous in that sequined gown - hubba hubba! Rob was beaming with pride as was all of your family and rightfully so. Also was great to meet Ruth from Richmond & her Mom Elaine who is a real sweetheart & trooper, and of course Lori who also snagged me from Dulles and drove me on every road in the metro DC area I do believe! Not to mention navigating our way home after the nitecap, just like Joni taking the train to a taxi and a taxi to a train! Thanks Lori for your hospitality and conversation, and thanks Sherelle for sharing your gifts with us. I was proud to have been the one to have come the farthest to see you, and WELL worth it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:56:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song Dear Donna, No tears my friend! I felt a similar sadness when I've missed all the wonderful Jonifests but there is a time for every season. It seems like musical dreams are starting to come true for many on this list and I would like to be one of those persons too. My hope and dream is to have my own concert this September at the same exact venue. Right now, they have a date open for September 17th so my daughter who is managing the business end for me and I are trying to snag the date. I also have this guy who is a vocalist/guitarist to hopefully open for me and he will knock your socks off! His name is Steve and he has this unbelievable voice! He was actually playing across the street at the Metro Station (He played real good for free) and I was so amazed by what I heard, I went up to him and gave him my card. So that is my dream and it looks like a realistic one. Maybe I can see you there but if not, I will see you sometime. I don't plan on turning back now!!! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:43:56 -0500 > >Sherelle & Walt, > >You both never cease to amaze me with your wisdom and kind words on >this list. Thanks to you both for being here. > >Dear Sherelle, congratulations on your success on Saturday night. I >got tears reading Bob's account of it this morning, but now that I'm >done feeling sorry for myself for not being able to make it, I wanted to >express my continued support and admiration of your talent. love db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 11:05:58 AM > >>> >Hi Walt, > >I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I >had >some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used to >use >Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of >frustration >and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the addition >of a >couple of phrases" > >"Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make >everything >I dread, and everything I fear come true.." > >I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: > >"We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." > >I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life >doesn't >have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. > >Sherelle > > >Walt wrote: > >[Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis in > >'95-'96, >I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from >TI, >esp. >the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and >everything >I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor >translates, >for >me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father got >terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take >care of >him >in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song >mostly >makes >me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, >Joni's >obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's >and >her >mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. the >line >"For >God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you know, > >etc."...] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #167 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)