From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #152 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 152 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Saul Bellow died [Garret ] Joni included in new poetry book [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni, Dulcimers, Joellen and a cover ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford: Where Are The Good Christians? [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni, Dulcimers, Joellen and a cover [Bob Muller ] RE: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" -- njc now, thank you very much [Smurf ] Re: Frustrated!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: one more time FREE giveaway.. Patty Griffin concert CDs NJC ["ron" Subject: re: Saul Bellow died I don't know how to type the sound of a gasp. This is devastating. Bellow was a king. Robert White Creeley and Saul Bellow passing on within a week of each other. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Joni included in new poetry book http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002232183_paglia06.html?syndication=rss Wednesday, April 6, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 a.m. Book Review Paglia deconstructs poems she labels "best" By Sheila Farr Special to The Seattle Times "Break, Blow, Burn: Camille Paglia Reads Forty-Three of the World's Best Poems" by Camille Paglia Pantheon, 272 pp., $20 With its flamingo-pink cover and sensational title (taken from a John Donne sonnet), Camille Paglia's book "Break, Blow, Burn" is supposed to be aimed at a general audience. It's a selection of 43 English-language poems, from Shakespeare to Joni Mitchell, that the professor and firebrand critic counts among the world's best. Each poem is accompanied by a punchy explication, with comments that range from illuminating to overbearing. It's hard to figure out who the book's real audience will be. Paglia's introduction boils with the rancor that divides English-department faculty members into warring factions. Yet for those who've left that political battleground behind, her pronouncements generate little heat. From out here in the real world, the "sneering poststructuralists" whom Paglia demonizes in her introduction are something of a yawn. Coming Up Camille Paglia The author of "Break, Blow, Burn" will appear at 7:30 p.m. April 18 at Kane Hall on the University of Washington campus. Tickets are free with the purchase of the book; otherwise, $5. Sponsored by the University Book Store (206-634-3400; www.ubookstore.com). Paglia's explications, while impressive in the array of knowledge she displays, are the kind of essays a brilliant student might write to dazzle her professors. They'll surely be helpful to scholars who want a quick fix of poetic Cliffs Notes, but how many readers want to be told that in William Wordsworth's "The World is Too Much With Us," the tone is "flat, severe, dismissive"? The poem is plenty capable of speaking for itself. Paglia defines her critical stance as Old Historicism, which views poems as artifacts of a particular place and time, elucidated in part by the poet's biography. She takes a few jabs at the mid-20th-century school of New Criticism (based on a close analysis of a poem's language and form) for its disdain of popular culture. For Paglia, pop culture stands as "the authentic native voice of America." So why does she act like it's radical to reach back to the 1960s to canonize the lyrics of Joni Mitchell? No revelation there. I agree with Paglia that the historical context of a poem and information about the author's life can help deepen our understanding of the work. If only she had stuck with that. The book's greatest offense is its presumptuousness. Paglia defines criticism as an act of divination and sets herself up as an oracle mediating between us lesser mortals and the poem. One of her more outrageous explications is of Sylvia Plath's famous poem "Daddy." At one point Paglia declares, "The poet dissolves her patient, cultivated mother (who warmly supported her daughter's literary endeavors) into the general pack of do-gooders and busybodies who don't understand her and thwart her deepest desires." What gives Paglia the authority to tell us that Plath's experience of her relationship with her mother was wrong? In the foreword to a new edition of Plath's book "Ariel," the poet's daughter Frieda Hughes describes the way Plath's poems have become mirrors for the psychological issues of those who write about them. "It was as if the clay from her poetic energy was taken up and versions of my mother made out of it, invented to reflect only the inventors, as if they could possess my real, actual mother, now a woman who had ceased to resemble herself in those other minds. I saw poems such as 'Lady Lazarus' and 'Daddy' dissected over and over, the moment that my mother wrote them being applied to her whole life, to her whole person, as if they were the total sum of her experience." Great poetry survives its critics. Much as I appreciate Paglia's love of poetry and her ability to make well-grounded observations, I wish she hadn't passed over the primary rules of reading poems: Don't assume your interpretation is gospel. And beware of confusing the poet with the poem. Sheila Farr is the visual arts critic for The Seattle Times. Copyright ) 2005 The Seattle Times Company Now me: I heard Paglia on NPR's Radio Times (on WHYY in Philadelphia) earlier this week. She talks about Joni in the last segment of the show. She included Woodstock and thinks that Joni's version is much superior, as far as its message goes, to the more widely known CSNY cover. She also feels that Joni's poetry is on the same high level as Sylvia Plath's. Give the show a listen to hear it from her, instead of my butchered recollections. http://www.whyy.org/rameta/RT/2005/RT20050404_20.ram Take care everyone, Brian in summer-like south jersey Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:21:27 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Joni, Dulcimers, Joellen and a cover In 1980, someone bought me the Lapidus on Dulcimer book, since I had started 'The Annual Dulcimer Concert' series in Milwaukee that year. (It ran for 7 years; with local and regional acts...) I took out the pic of the Wild Columbine dulcimer and one similar with butterflies on the sound holes (or birds, depending on which way you look at them) and had luthier Joddy Croswhite build me a copy. I brought it to Pazfest in New Orleans in 2000. He had a dificult time with the building. He quoted me six months and it took him 18, but it was well worth it! I don't play my dulcimers much (I still have 2, I was up to 5 at one time, because i used a variety of tunings and of course, string guages that had many other dulcimer players telling me that they had never seen anyone play the instrument like I did- lol) but once in a while I pull them out and play a song or two. Steve >>> Catherine McKay 4/5/2005 9:55:22 PM >>> - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Hey, I thought this was pretty cool and hope that > y'all will too. > > About a month ago, I bought the debut CD of Joellen > Lapidus (the luthier who made Joni's dulcimers), > whose name will ring a bell with some of you that > are familiar with her inclusion on JM.com, Wally > Breese interviewed her back in 1997 and you can read > more about the Joellen-Joni connection here: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/Lapidus97.html (it's a > long but very informative piece) > > Anyway, on her CD just issued (the one I bought back > in paragraph one) she does a cover of Carey with a > brief intro that includes a Joni mention. I bought > the cd from cdbaby, and Joellen emailed me to say > thanks and ask if I wanted to be put on her mailing > list. When I explained my curious hobby, she pointed > me to her website and offered up this comment as a > guide to the photos: > > http://www.lapidusmusic.com/photos.html > > "The Jester (on the cover of my CD album), the Wild > Columbine and the Princess were all made for her. > She composed the three dulcimer songs on Blue on the > Wild Columbine which she took to Europe with her > after she bought it in 1968-9." > > And I thought I would pass it along to my Joni > family. Joellen's website features a nice photo of > Joni playing the Princess. > This is indeed very cool. What beautiful-looking instruments. I'm going to check out CD baby for Joellen's CD as soon as I finish this e-mail! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:52:27 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Mark Morford: Where Are The Good Christians? This is nice, I think. -Lori Where Are The Good Christians? The fanatics and nutjobs now running the show sure give honest believers a bad name By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, April 6, 2005 I know they're out there. I forget, often, too often, just how many there are but I know they exist in much larger numbers than you might be led to believe by current spiritually embarrassing headlines and I know they are just as, if not more, passionate and healthy and deeply felt in their beliefs than the overpublicized sects of angry and frothing "true believers" screeching into the megaphone of the culture, the ones yanking BushCo's chain and pounding their Bibles and hiding their warped porn fetishes and forcing their way into our lives and laws and bedrooms right now. They are the decent Christians. They are the calm, morally progressive, compassionate, open-hearted Jesus-loving folk who don't really give a damn for archaic church dogma or pious noise or sanctimonious candlelight vigils, for repressing women or bashing gays or slamming Islam and. in fact, turned to Christianity precisely because they believe these things are abhorrent and wrong and, well, anti-Christian. Rest of column here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/04/06/notes040605.DTL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:05:24 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: EZT- Bummer, Man (NJC) Easytree.org was just shut down forever, due to a threatened lawsuit. I'm sad because I got some amazingly great music from this site. That leaves the file sharing that Les put up and Richard Flynn has mirrored. (Thankfully, or else I would have to had *really* gone cold turkey!) For those of you that have absolutely no idea whatsoever what I am talking about, you are missing some fabulous music! Ask Richard or Les how to join! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:39:27 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: re: Joni & THE WORD (UK) magazine If you have PayPal, you can also order this magazine directly from the WORD website at: www.wordmagazine.co.uk Click on "Buy Issues" at the top red menu bar, select your region, and type in "Joni Mitchell" in the "Which Word issue do you require" box, click on the "Buy Now" button, then you will get a PayPal login screen. I just ordered one and am waiting for it to arrive. It was only 10 euros, vs. 12.20 at my local newsstand (Anyway the Joni Mitchell issue was long ago sold out at my local newsstand - now they are selling one on Eric Clapton.) Sorry if someone else has posted about this. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:11:26 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford: Where Are The Good Christians? > This is nice, I think. -Lori > > Where Are The Good Christians? > > The fanatics and nutjobs now running the show sure give honest > believers a bad name So true-in fact, these power-mad mass murderers and corporate rapists may call themselves Christians, but by any measure of what that means, they are not. What a triumph of marketing they are though, getting so much of America to fall for the phoney halos. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:21:34 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: re: Joni Mitchell Covers, Volume 63 - win a free copy! I believe it. The DCC gold version of "BLUE" is so good I could hear track-to-track variations, even from my portable player. The closer a track is to two mics, the more realistic it is (IMHO). Realism isn't everthing, of course; I wouldn't want to give up Court & Spark, that's for sure. Rambling now, Jim L'Hommedieu From: Bruce Aronow >I think that the Starbucks collection is amazing, but (because what I think is) the quality of the audio engineering on Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire worked out to let Joni's articulacy come through like laser-cut steel itself... just brilliant.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Joni, Dulcimers, Joellen and a cover That's pretty cool, Steve - I don't think I knew that you played dulcimer too - you are one talented dude, my friend. I don't think I'd want to build a musical instrument for you, though. You can be a little bit...particular - lol. Maybe that's why the schedule took as long as it did? Bob NP: A Bird That Whistles, "Urge For Going" Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:49:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni, Dulcimers, Joellen and a cover These are the most imaginative and trippy instruments I have seen in a long time. So how's her music? > Anyway, on her CD just issued (the one I bought back in paragraph one) she does a cover of Carey with a brief intro that includes a Joni mention. I bought the cd from cdbaby, and Joellen emailed me to say thanks and ask if I wanted to be put on her mailing list. When I explained my curious hobby, she pointed me to her website and offered up this comment as a guide to the photos: > > http://www.lapidusmusic.com/photos.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:05 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" Did Judy have a hit with "Chelsea Morning" before Joni put it on "Clouds"? I know that happened with "Both Sides Now" but I'm not so sure with "Chelsea Morning". Maybe the Clintons had their discussion about Chelsea Morning post-judy and pre-joni. I couldn't find a good discography of singles for either woman. It looks like Fairport Convention put it on an album in '68 (which probably isn't right), then Joni got the copyright in '69, released it on the album CLOUDS in '69, then Judy put it on an album called "Living" in 72. I don't have any idea when the singles were released, in which markets, and what success each had. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/ says "Chelsea Morning" was copywritten in '69 & appear on the CLOUDS album, released in May 69. That agrees with jm.com's http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonidiscography.html although both refer to the LP, not the single. Bob has noted the lack of a single's discography before. Curiously, this site: http://www.richieunterberger.com/folkrockdisc.html appears to say that Fairport Convention released the song in 68, which was before the copyright date on Les' page. http://www.followthemusic.com/disco3.html says: Elektra EKS 75014 [Stereo] - Released in 1972 "Living" - Judy Collins Tracklist includes "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:57:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni, Dulcimers, Joellen and a cover I do have to say that while I was impressed with her dulcimer skills, I was somewhat less than awed with her vocal prowess. But hey...no need to bank on my opinions - thanks to the good people at cdbaby you can check out 2-minute samples of TEN tracks, including Carey - whoo-hoo! http://cdbaby.com/cd/joellen Bob NP: Sugar Pie DeSanto, "I Want To Know" (from 1960, almost as old as me!) Randy Remote wrote: These are the most imaginative and trippy instruments I have seen in a long time. So how's her music? > Anyway, on her CD just issued (the one I bought back in paragraph one) she does a cover of Carey with a brief intro that includes a Joni mention. I bought the cd from cdbaby, and Joellen emailed me to say thanks and ask if I wanted to be put on her mailing list. When I explained my curious hobby, she pointed me to her website and offered up this comment as a guide to the photos: > > http://www.lapidusmusic.com/photos.html Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" Good points of discussion Jim, especially for nerdy musical trainspotters like us! From what I can tell, Judy released a 45 of Chelsea Morning/Pretty Polly in 1969, the same year that Joni released her Chelsea Morning/Fiddle And The Drum single and the same year Clouds came out as well. Whose came first, I dunno. I can tell you that Fairport's version came out in 1968 before both, as did their version of "I Don't Know Where I Stand" and of course "Eastern Rain" which no one else has released to my knowledge, and their studio version of BSN came out in 1967 which also preceded Joni's release. Bob NP: Jackson Five, "I Want You Back" Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:40:36 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" I certainly knew Chelsea Morning from Judy Collins before Clouds came out, because I remember being pleased that it was on the album. But I was a Joni-watcher back even before STAS came out and I saw Judy C. live many times as a precocious youngster, so it may be I heard her perform it live and knowing it was a Joni Mitchell song awaited its appearance. I do know for sure that I saw Judy C. shortly after Wildflowers came out in 1967 and that album included both "Michael from Mountains" and "Both Sides Now." From http://www.richardhess.com/judy/judy060.htm Elektra EK-45657 (45 RPM) Side A: Chelsea Morning (Joni Mitchell) Side B: Pretty Polly This more electric version of "Chelsea Morning" was recorded during the Who Knows Where The Time Goes sessions in 1968 but apparently did not fit in with the rest of the album and was only released on a single in 1969. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM To: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" Good points of discussion Jim, especially for nerdy musical trainspotters like us! From what I can tell, Judy released a 45 of Chelsea Morning/Pretty Polly in 1969, the same year that Joni released her Chelsea Morning/Fiddle And The Drum single and the same year Clouds came out as well. Whose came first, I dunno. I can tell you that Fairport's version came out in 1968 before both, as did their version of "I Don't Know Where I Stand" and of course "Eastern Rain" which no one else has released to my knowledge, and their studio version of BSN came out in 1967 which also preceded Joni's release. Bob NP: Jackson Five, "I Want You Back" Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Joni's "Chelsea Morning" -- njc now, thank you very much If I ever run in to Chelsea Clinton I hope it's very early in the day so I can give her a hearty slap on the back and, as I gesture at the rising sun, say, "Chelsea! Morning!" XO, - --Smurf, whose jokes need a rimshot drummer... Oh, little Bang Bang, where are you? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: one more time FREE giveaway.. Patty Griffin concert CDs NJC fer Pete;s sake..cant a girl even GIVE away anything LOL!!! I put an APB out the other day to inform y'all that I have a FREE CD of Patty Griffin's concert in Portland OR, the Aladdin Theatre...due to impaired hearing issues..I cant hear it...so I really really want to GIVE it away... Mags who believes that if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Please get in touch with me.... it's YOURS free, I will even pay the dang postage LOL!!! Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:03:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: EZT- Bummer, Man (NJC) DANG! I just found it when I went to the website :-( OK, the *good* part is, that I won't be constantly checking the website for new stuff (which is what I was just doing when I found out.) We can all find something to be addicted to and i guess as long as the kids have food and decent shoes, it's harmless enough. And I can finally get caught up with actually burning discs that I can listen to in the car, on the CD player, even, god forbid, at work, where listening to music seems to be frowned upon for some reason, because I guess it suggests that people have lives outside of the office and can find ways to brighten up an otherwise dreary existence. I had just reindexed my DC++ stuff (most of it, not all) but I downloaded some more new stuff and the bloody thing seems to want to re-index everything, even the stuff that it had already done, rather than just adding the new stuff. CRAP! Another 10 hrs or so of indexing before I can get back on DC++ and share again? I guess that means I have to leave the puter on all night again... And torrents spoil you - downloading from DC++ seems to take forever! Friggin' lawsuits! I swear, I have found out about more artists that I never knew about before, and therefore bought MORE CDs than ever, because of downloading stuff from sites like that! - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Easytree.org was just shut down forever, due to a > threatened lawsuit. I'm > sad because I got some amazingly great music from > this site. That leaves the > file sharing that Les put up and Richard Flynn has > mirrored. (Thankfully, or > else I would have to had *really* gone cold turkey!) > For those of you that have > absolutely no idea whatsoever what I am talking > about, you are missing some > fabulous music! Ask Richard or Les how to join! > > Hugs, > Ashara > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:20:08 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Frustrated!!! (NJC) OH BULL SHIT!!!! You are So far ahead of me it's not even funny. I saw you the other night on the web cam and you had a purpleish glow to you kinda like a certain DINOSAUR!!!!!! HE HE HEEEEEE! Paz (who opened an invitation to join AARP today).... > Can anyone help me? After seeing the movie "The Upside of Anger" yesterday, > I fell in love with the song "One Safe Space" by Marc Cohn. I've searched the > web, and cannot find this song available *anywhere*!!!! Please e-mail me off > list if you can help. Thanks! > > Hugs, > Ashara, catching up to Paz sooner than I want to admit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:59:19 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: one more time FREE giveaway.. Patty Griffin concert CDs NJC hi >>>mags wrote >>>...due to impaired hearing issues..I cant hear it...so I really really want to GIVE it away... this is the part that bugs me - whats up with the impaired hearing???? are you ok - is this a new thing, is it permanent???? CAN YOU STILL HEAR JONI ?!?!?!?!?! ron ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #152 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)