From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 31 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 144 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday, Paz! NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Happy Birthday, Paz! NJC [Lori Fye ] LOLOLOL ["David Henderson" ] [none] ["David Henderson" ] NJC artists of 60s ["David Henderson" ] Re: Eminem NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: JMDL is controlling the world -- njc [Bob Muller ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #143 [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] "Pink Dress Concert" [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Happy Birthday, Paz! NJC [Smurf ] Re: "Pink Dress Concert" [Bob Muller ] March Film Festival NJC [Bob Muller ] NJC The Boy Scouts have always creeped me out [Bob Muller ] re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc)..now Internet hunting ["mia ort] Re: Eminem NJC [vince ] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat [Lucy Hone ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:55:33 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Lucy wrote: .... I would not approach her if I saw her, I would let her be Hi Lucy, If I saw Joni, I would hope it wasn't in a crowd so I could approach her. I have thought of (with two other JMDLers) going out west to that grill she likes in California and waiting for the chance to meet her. I wonder if the food is any good and if they serve breakfast, lunch, and dinner and are reasonably priced? What a thought... to meet her. I'm so initially shy around people, but maybe I wouldn't be shy around her. I don't feel like she is a stranger to me although I am to her. Nice thought. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:56:28 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Paz! NJC Hey Paz! Is it true? Is 50 the new 30? Happy day, my friend! Love ya, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:09:25 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Paz! NJC > Congrats on turning 50, although your tits may sag in that halter top as you > cruise up and down Bourbon St. :) Those are his tits? I thought they were ... oh, nevermind. ; ) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:26:50 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: LOLOLOL A quick THANKS to Vince and Lori for making me laugh out loud today! the sharing of hunting tips, group sessions on gutting and skinning > skills, and the cook outs should feed everyone! > > The logo almost suggests itself: Roy's Dad Cadillac with a dead deer > strapped on the fender and a possum under the tire. > > I am sure SugarCamouflagePants will make an appearance! > > Vince >> if dogmas run free, then why can't we? > ROFLLLLLLL See, it always comes back to Joni, who wrote: Let all these dogmas go running free The wild and the gentle dogmas Kenneled in me ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:36:16 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: [none] JIMMY SAID: NP : Eminem, and loving it.......and I never thought that would be something I'd say. I never thought I would say it either until someone sort of pushed the last CD on me, and wow, what a super talented musician. He makes me laugh out loud sometimes. He also pushes my buttons occasionally, but I love that he's out there pushing buttons instead of just singing about sex and booze like most of his competitors. The new CD is fantastic, love the new single about his daughter. David NP 1 Thing, Amerie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:44:32 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: NJC artists of 60s > Roberta Flack The First Time Ever I Forgot Your Face First, apologies, I think I forgot to NJC that last email. This list is hysterical, especially the Roberta Flack one above. LOLOLOLOL Maybe we should update some of Joni's songs! David NP The Killers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:06:29 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Eminem NJC <> me too! but Vince - who is Laney? cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: JMDL is controlling the world -- njc Well, if all he can do is moan an unintelligible groan it could be an improvement over that particular track. Bob, who would be more interested in a Joni cover from the Smoking Popes NP: Beck, "Missing" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:07:35 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: JMDL is controlling the world -- njc Well, if all he can do is moan an unintelligible groan it could be an improvement over that particular track. Bob, who would be more interested in a Joni cover from the Smoking Popes>> __________________________________________________________________ well, no *wonder* his voice is so damaged. damn cigarettes. what's the release date of *his* next compilation album? cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:36:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Tracks magazine Under Reissues That Matter: #1: Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice Maybe she does know what she's doing................ Jerry np: Moby - Raining Again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:10:35 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #143 good to see joni lives on... i miss her ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:27:10 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: "Pink Dress Concert" Does anyone know any of the details surrounding Joni's so called, "Pink dress concert"? Judging from the songs, I place it around 1970. Was it from the BBC? Mark in Sydney. NP Joni Mitchell - Carey "Pink Dress Concert" (Very odd version with extra lyrics). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Paz! NJC Dearest Michael, I would do anything for love, but I won't do that. Oh, okay. Happy 50th, you big lug. XO, - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:04:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Pink Dress Concert" You're spot on with your 1970 guess, Mark...The program was taped in September of that year and broadcast Oct. 9, 1970. From Simon's incredible "Appearances" database: "In Concert BBC Television Theatre; London, England The program was titled Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell. Joni was featured on guitar, piano and dulcimer in the premier show of the In Concert series. Broadcast on Oct. 9. " Bob NP: Modest Mouse, "Blame It On The Tetons" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: March Film Festival NJC Well, I just got back from the last of the four films that were shown as part of the Upstate Film Society's March filmfest. All these movies are excellent and I recommend them highly: The Woodsman - The controversial film with Kevin Bacon playing a sex offender, trying to re-start. Very powerful and dark and disturbing. Luckily I saw it with a friend because it's the kind of film you want to instantly talk about. Les Choristes (The Choir) - Anyone who loves music and teaching and the difference that one person can make will love this film - very touching and uplifting. A Very Long Engagement - Audrey Tatou is magnificent, and this film is a fascinating journey of one woman's search for the truth. Vera Drake - Mike Leigh makes filmmaking seem so easy - every film of his I've seen is a wonderful masterpiece imo, would love some other recommendations. I love his studies of family and class, and his unerring ability to instantly give me characters that I feel strongly about. All the performances were amazing, but Imelda Staunton - omg. Don't know if anyone else has seen these, but if you get the chance you'll be glad you did. Bob NP: Kenny Loggins, "Set It Free" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC The Boy Scouts have always creeped me out http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=8039926 I was never a Boy Scout, probably because we moved around so much. It was never something I wanted to promote with my son, primarily because I wouldn't encourage him to be a part of a group that discriminates. Plus I'm not a fan of camping...doesn't make sense to me pay $1000/month for a house and then go sleep in the woods. Anyway, I probably would have been kicked out for eating a brownie or something. Bob NP: James Taylor, "Day Tripper" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Crowded House/Paul Hester OK, one last post and I'm off...in my endless search for covers I've stumbled on a great website called Coverville: http://www.coverville.com/ The guy does (3) 30-minute audio shows a week, they're always enjoyable, especially to a covers NUTJOB like me (and you know there may be more)...anyway, his latest show is a tribute to Paul Hester & Crowded House and is, like all of his shows, a great listen. He was a big fan of the boys Finn and CH, and for good reason - they're an incredibly talented lot. If you're a fan, check it out and enjoy. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Man's Job" (his new one comes out in a month, heard the title track, sounds killer to me) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:29:21 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc)..now Internet hunting <> Hi Donna, sadly it is true. I heard of it from my uncle, who is a (responsible) hunter in Wisconsin. There may be a moratorium soon, if not now, because of all the eyebrows that have been raised. Here is one website I just now came across: http://www.theeagle.com/sports/outdoors/120204sasser.php Mia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:58:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Eminem NJC Cynthia Vickery wrote: ><> > >me too! >but Vince - who is Laney? > >cindy > > on every album he has had a song about his daughter Hailie, and I am glad this one is getting good vibes! Laney (Alaina) is the niece of his ex-wife Kim, whom Marshall Mathers has raised since her infancy. Eminem has full custody of Laney and joint custody of Hailie - his request so as not to lose Kim from Hailie's life. Em is also raising his half brother Nathan. from Rolling Stone: he constantly mentions the kids he's raising, as any proud father would: His daughter, Hailie Jade, will soon be nine, his niece Alaina is eight, and his half brother, Nate, is eighteen. In October, Marshall Mathers turned thirty-two. He grew up in Kansas City, Missouri, and Detroit without a father figure, but he has grown into a committed parent who goes to school plays and everything. He schedules most of his recording in Detroit and has put his movie career on hold so he can be home with the kids at night. When I saw you playing with Hailie back in February, you were so respectful. A lot of people talk down to little kids, but you talk to her like she's intelligent. Thank you for seeing that. I just want her and my immediate family -- my daughter, my niece and my little brother -- to have things I didn't have: love and material things. But I can't just buy them things. I have to be there. That's a cop-out if I just popped up once in a while, didn't have custody of my daughter and my niece. Do you have full custody? I have full custody of my niece and joint custody of Hailie. It's no secret what's been going on over the past year with my ex-wife. I wouldn't down-talk her, but with her bein' on the run from the cops I really had no choice but to just step up to the plate. I was always there for Hailie, and my niece has been a part of my life ever since she was born. Me and Kim pretty much had her, she'd live with us wherever we was at. And your little brother lives with you. I've seen my little brother bounce around a lot from foster home to foster home. My little brother was taken away by the state when he was eight, nine. You were how old? I was twenty-three. But when he was taken away I always said if I ever get in a position to take him, I would take him. I tried to apply for full custody when I was twenty, but I didn't have the means. I couldn't support him. I watched him when he was in the foster home. He was so confused. I mean, I cried just goin' to see him at the foster home. The day he was taken away I was the only one allowed to see him. They had come and got him out of school. He didn't know what the fuck was goin' on. The same thing that had happened in my life was happening in his. I had a job and a car, and me and Kim, we bounced around from house to house, tryin' to pay rent and make ends meet. And then Kim's niece was born, which is my niece now through marriage. Watched her bounce around from house to house -- just watchin' the cycle of dysfunction, it was like, "Man, if I get in position, I'm gonna stop all this shit." And I got in position and did. There is much more about Em as father - devoted father: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6593164?rnd=1112247615894&has-player=true and if you want the real insight into the wild popularity of Eminem with a lot of kids it is this: his father abandoned the family to pursue his pleasures, his mother had no time for him as she pursued her pleasures. A lot of kids feel that sense of abandonment by their parents in this age of divorce and personal fulfillment. Em speaks to their pain, the common experience of abandonment. And then Em speaks of his love for his daughter, a theme repeated in each album, with the words, "I'll always be there for you" and he has kept that promise. The child who was abandoned, noting means more than to always be there for his daughter. You think that does not touch a chord with his fans, especially when we know it is the truth, not just words? People let Lynne Cheney tell them what Eminem was supposedly about and a lot of media lightweights picking and twisting a line out of context here and there for sweeps month stories and missed the reality - Eminem is the voice of the abandoned children whose parents placed drugs and drinking over children, Eminem is the model that despite poverty or wealth and fame, the children come first. He has spoken of his daughter on many songs - "can't you leave me alone when I'm out with my daughter." Eminem for a whole lot of folks is their voice and their hope that a new generation can do if differently. That's why my grandson resonates so well with Eminem and I take him to concerts - the kids get it. It is the adults that didn't listen and missed the message. I am happy that the message is being understood better know. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:42:33 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Hello Laura , and thanks for reading my post. My view on going to the grill is.......... I think you would find that if she showed up, almost every other person in the grill probably was there for the same reason. The food might be wonderful, the atmosphere brilliant and there may be tired waitresses and grumpy chefs and it might be a bit like living in an Edward Hopper painting.... and it might be tacky and it might be lovely... Whilst it would be an honour for any of us who really get her music (or even some of it) to meet her and get the chance to chat I doubt it would be an honour for her. What do we have in common? what is it about our lives that we think would be so rivetting for her to know? Do we assume that because she has touched our lives she needs to know about it? Over the years just how many other people will have done this? .........gone up to her in a peaceful moment to unload their Joni story? Imagine what that must feel like? There you are....in the local diner...........you are there having a quiet cup of coffee. You have spent the morning busy being about your life and its the way you like it.. not driven by the passions of the past, nor encumbered by contractural obligations. Even the worst moments of your young life are no longer a burden. You have achieved a comfortable balance of notoriety and anonymity. You can go about your life fairly comfortably and go for a cup of coffee in your local diner. It is maybe a sunny morning with slants of sunlight and slabs of fat on the thighs of the waitress and there are far too many pancakes on your plate......... you feel comfortable and in a wonderfully observational frame of mind. The sun is cut from your view by a person who clears their throat and its a sinking feeling that makes you grab your cup of coffed and stiffen your shoulders as you know you are about to hear......."Excuse me Miss Mitchell, or may I call you Joni... I feel I know you so well, you see............ your music has meant so much to me over the years ......... and you can barely manage a smile make your escape. I have had some fairly inside access to some pretty famous musicians via my last marriage and (by all reports) they "put up" with fans who come to gigs, and the ones who demand an autograph or a photo.... that is fair game. They have paid money for a show and getting to "be with" is a fair exchange (if they are quick and dont think you are a friend, or share any sort of bond because they have their photo taken). What was hated and feared was the "OH MY GOD!, YOU?, HERE?" sort of "chance encounter" which had been planned, and smacked of stalking. Cornering an object of such reverence in a place in which they thought they might be safe is, to me, just not on. WE all know how we feel when we get the telephone canvas as we are about to eat, the "have you read our version of the world" callers to our door.Those are random invasions and can be politely refused. To go to where you expect someone to be, in order to see them and maybe approach them, would make the person feel cornered and probably threatened. It is also really difficult for celebs to be rude (as we might be) in case its a press set up so that bad publicity results... So they are doomed to having to put up with us. I will not be part, ever of anyone's discomfort. I would never ever approach her... If her car broke down out side my house and she came to ask for help I might let on I knew her but only as she was driving away........ But then that is me... Lucy LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Lucy wrote: > > .... I would not approach her if I saw her, I would let her be > > > Hi Lucy, > > If I saw Joni, I would hope it wasn't in a crowd so I could > approach her. I have thought of (with two other JMDLers) going out > west to that grill she likes in California and waiting for the chance > to meet her. I wonder if the food is any good and if they serve > breakfast, lunch, and dinner and are reasonably priced? > > What a thought... to meet her. I'm so initially shy around > people, but maybe I wouldn't be shy around her. I don't feel like she > is a stranger to me although I am to her. Nice thought. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #144 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)