From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #141 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 29 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 141 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc Carnivale - Deadwood [Randy Remote ] RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign [Cat] RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign ["R] RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign ["] Re: condoms and AIDS, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: condoms and AIDS, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign [Lit] RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign [L] Paul Hester (Crowded House) found dead in park NJC ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc Carnivale - Deadwood vince wrote: > anyone watch these two shows besides me? I haven't tried Deadwood, but I'm a total Carnivale fanatic. I've seen all 24 episodes at least once. How incredibly rare for the medium of TV to have something so artful. My guess is that Sophie became pregnant when she and Ben fooled around. And now she is the bad Sophie, the evil side of her personality (Justin-her father's-blood) having taken over. It's still unclear what happened in "the old country" other than "something really bad" in the words of Samson. I'm guessing that anti-Semitism is involved. Riveting. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:46:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > Isn't that the Firesign Theater album with, "Follow > the rubber yellow line > to your seat." > > Although my favorite line on that particular record > is actually: > "In the Beginning was this Turtle." > Hmmm, many native cultures believe that the earth was carried on the back of a giant turtle, or something similar. In any case, the turtle shows up in creation myth in many places in the world. C, who has also read the CI of the D in the NT and would also recommend it; and it is a very quick read, as someone already pointed out, so I also would recommend it to anyone who claims they can't finish a book, or to an adolescent or teenager who has difficulty reading. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:55:16 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign >Hmmm, many native cultures believe that the earth was carried on the back of a giant turtle, or something similar. In any case, the turtle shows up in creation myth in many places in the world. Yes, that's why it's so funny. >C, who has also read the CI of the D in the NT and would also recommend it; and it is a very quick read, as someone already pointed out, so I also would recommend it to anyone who claims they can't finish a book, or to an adolescent or teenager who has difficulty reading. Indeed, it was published as a children's book in the UK Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:20:27 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign And this creation story is followed by this little satirical song to the tune of "Back in the Saddle Again": Back from the shadows again Out where an Indian's your friend Where the vegetables are green And you can pee right into the stream (and that's important!) Yes we're back from the shadows again. --The Firesign Theatre --I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:55 PM To: 'Catherine McKay'; 'mags h'; LittleBreen@comcast.net; 'McMillan Brad' Cc: messling@enter.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign >Hmmm, many native cultures believe that the earth was carried on the back of a giant turtle, or something similar. In any case, the turtle shows up in creation myth in many places in the world. Yes, that's why it's so funny. >C, who has also read the CI of the D in the NT and would also recommend it; and it is a very quick read, as someone already pointed out, so I also would recommend it to anyone who claims they can't finish a book, or to an adolescent or teenager who has difficulty reading. Indeed, it was published as a children's book in the UK Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:51:23 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: condoms and AIDS, njc Jerry wrote: I disagree. I spent 17 years in Catholic schools. Catholic Doctrine defines: Mortal sin is actual sin that destroys sanctifying grace and causes the supernatural death of the soul. Objectively speaking, a sinner who passes into eternity in a state of mortal sin sends himself to hell . That sounds like condemnation to me. Hi Jerry. Yes, it does sound like condemnation, but it isn't the church sending people to hell - condemning them. Like I said, the church doesn't condemn people; however it does warn people if they commit mortal sin, their soul is in grave danger. And as for birth control, unless you deny the infallibility of the Pope: In Humanae Vitae , Pope Paul VI stated, "[W]e must once again declare that the direct interruption of the generative process already begun, and, above all, directly willed and procured abortion, even if for therapeutic reasons, are to be absolutely excluded as licit means of regulating birth. Equally to be excluded, as the teaching authority of the Church has frequently declared, is direct sterilization, whether perpetual or temporary, whether of the man or of the woman. Similarly excluded is every action which, either in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" (HV 14). Humanae Vitae (HV) is a papal encyclical but not an infallible dogma. It is a doctrine, which is a highest form of church teaching, to be listened to by the people of this time but something that might change over time. Doctrines are teachings of the church (the Latin word doctrina means "a te aching") Doctrines are not always equal to each other. Dogmas are doctrines that are infallible. But, not all doctrines are dogmas. Ex cathedra proclamations by a Pope, i.e., infallible dogmas, are very very rare. I agree with the moderate Catholic theologians that there are only two: Ineffabilis Deus, 8 Dec 1854 by Pius IX, The dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Munificentissimus Deus, 1 Nov 1950 Pius XII, The dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin There is actually is not an authoritative list of infallible Catholic teachings, but there are these two above that are dogmas not just doctrines. Conservatives would say there is a longer list of infallible teachings but still not very long. I don't buy that list because there are examples in it where one listing over turns another in the list. Some of them however have never been overturned and probably never will be because they are at the core of Christian beliefs, encyclicals like: Lectis Dilectionis Tuae, 13 June 449, by Leo I On the divinity of Christ. Omnium Bonorum Spes, about the year 680, by Agatho On the divine and human wills in Christ. Jerry also said: This was reiterated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church The Catechism is not a doctrine nor an infallible dogma, although it draws from both of these. You might be a conservative Catholic Jerry, but I don't usually fit in for very long with that crowd because they usually don't tolerate me. Some do, but they seem to be as rare as dogmas. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:58:38 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: condoms and AIDS, njc Jenny wrote: I knew a good number of people *would* have premarital sex, but NOT use birth control because it was a mortal sin. Gotta love that logic. One out of two ain't bad, right? LOLLLLL Thanks for the laugh Jenny! I also find it comical about the disagreeing doctrines that some conservatives would like to think of as infallible. I love the Catholic church. I see it as a parent to me. Most parents are inconsistent at one time or another, but they are loving if they are good ones. The Catholic church saved my life when I was in college. It hasn't given up on me, and I won't give up on it either... or should I say Her since it is truly a Mother to me? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:42:26 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign Catherine said: <<[snip]C, who has also read the CI of the D in the NT and would also recommend it; and it is a very quick read,>> Oh, Catherine, why MUST you always talk in code, and this may be the first time I've heard the New Testament referred to as a "quick read"! Follow the yellow brick road! Love to all, Weird Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > > --- Richard Flynn wrote: > > Isn't that the Firesign Theater album with, "Follow > > the rubber yellow line > > to your seat." > > > > Although my favorite line on that particular record > > is actually: > > "In the Beginning was this Turtle." > > > > Hmmm, many native cultures believe that the earth was > carried on the back of a giant turtle, or something > similar. In any case, the turtle shows up in creation > myth in many places in the world. > > C, who has also read the CI of the D in the NT and > would also recommend it; and it is a very quick read, > as someone already pointed out, so I also would > recommend it to anyone who claims they can't finish a > book, or to an adolescent or teenager who has > difficulty reading. > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:46:03 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + Firesign Richard, quoting Firesign Thater's "I think we're all bozos on this bus": <> But for god's sake, don't eat yellow snow!!! (from roughly the same era, but another source), Tawnily yours, Weird Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > And this creation story is followed by this little satirical song to the > tune of "Back in the Saddle Again": > > > Back from the shadows again > Out where an Indian's your friend > Where the vegetables are green > And you can pee right into the stream > (and that's important!) > Yes we're back from the shadows again. > --The Firesign Theatre > --I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Flynn > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:55 PM > To: 'Catherine McKay'; 'mags h'; LittleBreen@comcast.net; 'McMillan Brad' > Cc: messling@enter.net; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC + > Firesign > > >Hmmm, many native cultures believe that the earth was > carried on the back of a giant turtle, or something > similar. In any case, the turtle shows up in creation > myth in many places in the world. > > Yes, that's why it's so funny. > > >C, who has also read the CI of the D in the NT and > would also recommend it; and it is a very quick read, > as someone already pointed out, so I also would > recommend it to anyone who claims they can't finish a > book, or to an adolescent or teenager who has > difficulty reading. > > Indeed, it was published as a children's book in the UK > > Catherine > Toronto > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:01:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Paul Hester (Crowded House) found dead in park NJC >Paul Hester, the drummer from Split Enz and Crowded House, was found dead on Sunday night. < Thank you hell.. so sad to hear this, crowded house is on my list of top 5 bands... what a great concert when they came to my town late 80's or so.. all so talented & I remember they all switched instruments mid set... rip paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:09:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) >Hand guns are illegal in NZ, and the crime rate reflects it - where a single shooting incident will often be national headline news.< This is so amazingly appealing to me... if only our country had these laws... gun violence is way out of control here... what is the influence in NZ that created this law do you think? I long to live in such a world... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #141 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)