From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #139 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 28 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 139 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- the curious incident of the dog in the night-time NJC [mags h ] Lynn Miles [StDoherty@aol.com] The Pope ["David Henderson" ] Re: Lynn Miles ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Finding Neverland NJC ["David Henderson" ] finding neverland njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Finding Neverland NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] NJC Schiavo/fear of death ["David Henderson" ] RE: Finding Neverland NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Finding Neverland NJC ["David Henderson" ] RE: Finding Neverland NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Finding Neverland NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Word Magazine - New Joni Content ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: Finding Neverland NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Finding Neverland NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Pope, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Finding Neverland NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Word Magazine - New Joni Content [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: JMDL Staff Posistions and Word Magazine [Bob Muller ] "The Easter Birds" ... starring Jody -- njc [Smurf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: the curious incident of the dog in the night-time NJC recently finished reading 'the curious incident of the dog in the night-time'. a brilliant creation, mark haddon's 'christopher' draws you into the tight spaces of his world straight away. an infinitely engaging, most wonderful story. i highly recommend this one. let me know if your thoughts if you've read it. mags, glad that i don't own anything yellow ;-) http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/interviews/story.jsp?story=483360 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:17:29 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: the curious incident of the dog in the night-time NJC Wonderful book! The ultimate exercise for an author in "show, don't tell," since the author must convey a lot of complex emotion through the voice of a narrator who doesn't emotionally understand what he's describing. It could easily have been gimmicky, but instead it was very affecting. And a fast read. My book club loved it. At 09:07 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >recently finished reading 'the curious incident of the dog in the >night-time'. >a brilliant creation, mark haddon's 'christopher' draws you into the tight >spaces of his world straight away. an infinitely engaging, most wonderful >story. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:13:28 -0500 From: Suzanne MarcAurele Subject: Frankenstein Science - NJC I have listened to sound bits like all of you for the last several weeks on the Schiavo case - it's Frankenstein science - life with a soul is not life ... the circus they have created on this case raises the question - are any of us worth millions of dollars to vegetate while others cannot get basic care? With all the talk of love, where were they when she was in the process of getting to the crisis that precipitated this state? Isn't it a bit hypocritical if not absurd to claim love as if every one had been paying close attention before her demise? In every tragic case on the national landscape people give a multitude of warning signs and sit by and why? The effort to prevent a vegetable is far more involved than the effort to sit by the bedside of one - this story sickens me and it hits so hard at the root - but hey with my own ego do I really have time for anyone else? If one is honest we are all superficial, self absorbed assholes waving peace signs, lighting candles, and expressing hollow sympathies after the fact - and then its off to the boutique, the hairdresser, the ballgame, the bar - yea depth, - much speaking to assuage guilt. :) s. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:16:33 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni's place on the CBC list Well the saga of the list is finally over. Over the past few months, CBC radio has been hosting a show that put together a list of the top 50 essential Canadian pop music tunes (not artists). Remember we fought for a spot for Joni's BSN ? Well, the tribe has spoken and the list came down this weekend. Listeners decided on the order, placing not one, but *two* Joni songs in the top 10! Whew! I am so relieved. There is still hope! For a look at this list (and a crash course on Canadian Pop/folk/rock music) click here: http://www.cbc.ca/50tracks/thelist.html Michael on sunny Easter Sunday, in Montreal _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Frankenstein Science - NJC Suzanne wrote: "If one is honest we are all superficial, self absorbed assholes waving peace signs, lighting candles, and expressing hollow sympathies after the fact - and then its off to the boutique, the hairdresser, the ballgame, the bar - yea depth, - much speaking to assuage guilt." Hi Suzanne and all, how about an animal? Couldn't I just claim to be an animal instead? that other all sounds so complex! :) Em < Subject: The Pope BREE SAID: "The role of the pope is different than any other role or station in life...you just don't step down. He's the pope..I believe.. until he draws his last earthly breath. Laura...is this right? Bree" Actually, a friend of mine, an Episcopalian priest (and former Catholic priest) said this is not true. There is a procedure for popes (usually because of ill health) to retire, and numerous popes have done so. (Interestingly, some popes have been accused of "retiring" to insure the succession of their handpicked successors). Apparently, this is a subject of much discussion in the church right now as many in the church hierarchy (mainly the most conservative) feel the Pope's insistence in retaining his position is putting the church behind in a time when religion is on the upswing. Anyway, that's what I'm told. David NP The Who, Ultimate Collection ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:35:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Lynn Miles I have written about her several times, especially about Slightly Haun ted, a great cd. Lynn has sung Joni's praises many times. I had the great opportunity to see her in concert twice and she is great live. Jerry np: Mary J. Blige - Overjoyed StDoherty@aol.com said: > Has anyone ever discussed Lynn Miles' - Slightly Haunted on the list > before? > Besides the one obvious reference to Joni (I wish I had a river) - this > recording seems to be loaded with Joni - from the choice of lyrics to her > phrasing. And on another level stands as just a good album from an > underrated > performer. Does anyone know this album and what I'm talking about? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:48:00 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Finding Neverland NJC RICHARD SAID: "It was too schmaltzy, and romanticized the life of a truly strange man . . . " I agree. I love Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet, and the supporting cast was pretty good. The whole movie looked and felt beautiful. But it seemed to be much ado about nothing. I would use words to describe it like pleasant, pretty, kind, well-acted - not really words of great praise. I don't know anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me feeling that there was a juicier and more complex story to be told. I was perplexed as to why it got such rave reviews (but not surprised once I saw it as to why it did so poorly at the box office . . . lacks a certain energy). Also, while I love Depp, I don't necessarily think this was one of his best performances - a good one though. He certainly reveals nothing new in this one, imho. David NP The Who ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:56:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: finding neverland njc Richard >On the NJC front, I'm going to watch _Finding Neverland_ tonight, which I understand takes great liberties with J.M. Barrie's actual biography, but with the inspired casting of Johnny Depp as Barrie, how can it not be good?< I just saw it (as the in flight movie so some of it may have been edited)... Peter Pan throughout the years has always been a favorite (starting with the Mary Martin live on TV play & fast forwarding to when my son was in a local theatre company production- one of the lost boys- when he was younger so I got to see the play every night for weeks & never tired of it!)... I loved the movie because I had never given any thought to the life of Barrie & how it might have inspired his play... anyway I am curious to your reaction & how the movie story compares to his real life story... johnny deep is a wonderful actor, my favorite among his generation... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC David Henderson said: I don't know > anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me feeling that there > was a juicier and more complex story to be told. To start with, she was still married when Barrie's interst in her began....... Jerry np: Shawn Colvin - Sunny Came Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:11:43 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: NJC Schiavo/fear of death REUBEN SAID: >I've been reading this thread with interest, and it has made me think >about my own views of the after-earth side of things. I've suffered >from depression, addictions, and a whole manner of human troubles in >my 30 years, but death is not one of the things that has caused me one >second of anxiety. I wouldn't say that death has not caused me one second of anxiety, but it's certainly caused me little anxiety. I think religion's hold on millions has more to do with the fear of death those millions have than anything else. If people were less afraid of death, the world would be a much, much better place. Unlike many religions, especially Christian and Islamic faiths, I do not think that mankind, left to its own devices, would dissolve into immorality and barbarianism. I don't think free will is any more frightening than ancient rules and regulations that no one can live up to. Since they cannot live up to those expectations, then they are threatened with "hell" or other punishments to force them to try harder, and thus begins the endless cycle of fear. Most people live their entire lives in fear - in fear of going to hell. That's about control, not enlightenment. There must be a better way, a more intelligent and sophisticated way to enlighten ourselves. I am not an atheist because I believe there must be some higher power/person/race/world/computer . . . there's just way too much that we do not understand. But it seems to me the next step to understanding the big picture could be death - moving on to the next level. I think the unknown is really scary, but it's also really exciting - like the moment just before you jump off a really high diving board. Of course, the next step could be nothingness, but what's scary about that? REUBEN SAID: >The scary thing to me would be laying in a hospice bed for 15 years watching and >listening to my family and friends talk about me without the ability to respond. That would be absolutely >>unbearable. That to me would be the ultimate hell, and I'd be grateful to anyone who would end it for me, >regardless of the method. That does sound like true horror movie hell. I'd rather take my chances with death and hope for the best. David NP The Killers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:42 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC And his interest was primarily in the boys rather than in her. - -----Original Message----- From: Gerald A. Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:08 PM To: David Henderson Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net; Joni Mitchell List Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC David Henderson said: I don't know > anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me feeling that there > was a juicier and more complex story to be told. To start with, she was still married when Barrie's interst in her began....... Jerry np: Shawn Colvin - Sunny Came Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:20:23 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC Would either of you recommend a specific biography? >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:16 PM >>>To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; 'David Henderson' >>>Cc: 'Joni Mitchell List' >>>Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC >>> >>> >>>And his interest was primarily in the boys rather than in her. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Gerald A. Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] >>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:08 PM >>>To: David Henderson >>>Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC >>> >>>David Henderson said: >>> >>> I don't know >>>> anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me >>>feeling that there >>>> was a juicier and more complex story to be told. >>> >>>To start with, she was still married when Barrie's interst in her >>>began....... >>> >>>Jerry >>> >>>np: Shawn Colvin - Sunny Came Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:24:04 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC Here's an interesting story from TLS that gives a kind of journalistic overview of Barrie's strangeness: http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2109311 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Gerald A. Notaro Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:08 PM To: David Henderson Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net; Joni Mitchell List Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC David Henderson said: I don't know > anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me feeling that there > was a juicier and more complex story to be told. To start with, she was still married when Barrie's interst in her began....... Jerry np: Shawn Colvin - Sunny Came Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:27:36 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC Andrew Birkin's _J.M. Barrie and the Lost Boys_: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300098227/103-4654677-3689402 ?v=glance - -----Original Message----- From: David Henderson [mailto:jdhenderson@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:20 PM To: Richard Flynn; notaro@stpt.usf.edu Cc: 'Joni Mitchell List' Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC Would either of you recommend a specific biography? >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:16 PM >>>To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; 'David Henderson' >>>Cc: 'Joni Mitchell List' >>>Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC >>> >>> >>>And his interest was primarily in the boys rather than in her. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Gerald A. Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] >>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:08 PM >>>To: David Henderson >>>Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC >>> >>>David Henderson said: >>> >>> I don't know >>>> anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me >>>feeling that there >>>> was a juicier and more complex story to be told. >>> >>>To start with, she was still married when Barrie's interst in her >>>began....... >>> >>>Jerry >>> >>>np: Shawn Colvin - Sunny Came Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:59:07 +0100 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Word Magazine - New Joni Content Hi As a subscriber to Word magazine from issue 1 I was pleased to see Joni on the cover last month, but was beaten to the punch in letting the list know about it. But unless I've missed it, no-one has yet reported on the follow up letters that appeared in the April edition. The second letter has content that was news to me at least. They're not long so I'll type them up here: "Congratulations to Jim Irvin for an article that does justice to a great artist, just about the only songwriter of her generation who could stand toe to toe with Bob Dylan. Though how you can justify having two tracks from Mingus in your best twenty Joni tunes, I fail to understand. Jo Bland." "It seems somewhat churlish to fault Jim Irwin on his excellent piece on Joni Mitchell but one minor inaccuracy needs to be point out. In 1983, the year after Wild Things Run Fast came out (the album that includes the song Chinese Cafe, whose lyric "My child's a stranger, I bore her but I could not raise her" Jim quoted), Joni came to the UK as part of an extensive tour. I was in charge of the CBS press office and, as part of the promotion for the album and tour, decided to send Michael Watts to LA to interview Joni for the Sunday Times. He had done his research - and naturally picked up on the relevance of the above lyric. No one from the record company was present at the interview but Michael told me that he raised the issue of her child. At that point she allegedly requested that the cassette be turned off and that the next part of the interview was naturally off-the-record. This continued for 30 minutes when she said that he could turn on his cassette player again. However she continued to discuss her child - which Michael took, as the understood code between interviewer and interviewee, that he was free to quote her; which he duly did. Michael Watts was - and is - a journalist of integrity and I didn't doubt his word; Joni Mitchell an experienced interviewee. Clearly, though, Joni felt betrayed. I will not repeat the phone conversations I had with her manager Elliot Roberts when the piece came out - but suffice to say she did no more promotion for the record company on the trip. Thus it was that the issue came out into the open in 1983 - not as Jim asserts, in 1990, after her miscarriage. Excellent magazine as always. Jonathan Morrish, London" Sorry if this old news to everyone - I don't really follow stories about the adoption etc. that closely - but I thought it might be of interest. R ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:35:28 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: pope; and, celibacy NJC vince wrote: > I had such ecumenical hopes for this pontiff that were dashed. He has > been very good on economic and political / war & peace issues, but > punted big time on Latin American justice issues and on the role of > women (and all gender, sexuality and orientation issues), child abuse, > and such, his record has been dismal to say the least. Not sure what 'ecumenical hopes' are, but I agree. It is especially hard to forgive the Vatican for telling Africa that condoms don't prevent AIDS, a year or two ago. A bit of an info-inquisition, I would say. RR Easter celebrations were held hundreds of years before Christ was born as festivals of spring honoring Eostre, the great mother goddess of the Saxons. This name was fashioned after the ancient word for spring, Eastre. The goddess Ostara was the Norse equivalent whose symbols were the hare and the egg. From this comes our modern tradition of celebrating Easter with eggs and bunnies. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:33:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > David Henderson said: > > I don't know > > anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely > left me feeling that there > > was a juicier and more complex story to be told. > > To start with, she was still married when Barrie's > interst in her > began....... > The movie certainly did compress what must have occurred over at least ten years into (what? a year?) No one got any older in the film (sort of like Neverland?), Kate/Sylvia was already a widow in the film, and, having had a look at the website that Richard provided, it looks like she had a fifth son in real life (maybe it's too hard to find so many child actors?) I'm willing to suspend a certain amount of disbelief for the sake of story, but there was also a lot missing, not just plotwise, but soul-wise perhaps. I enjoyed it and found it charming, but not terribly deep. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:56:02 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: >> David Henderson said: >> >> I don't know >>> anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me feeling >>> that there was a juicier and more complex story to be told. >> >> To start with, she was still married when Barrie's >> interst in her >> began....... >> > > I enjoyed it and found it charming, but not terribly > deep. > The script seemed very superficial and not very well developed. According to the fascinating article that Richard so kindly posted the URL for, this story was a lot more complex than what the film presented. I was particularly bothered by the relationship between Barrie and his wife. The movie leads you to believe that he loved children and that the estrangement between him and his wife was largely responsible for his not having any of his own and his turning to the Llewellyn-Davies children as surrogates. But it never really explains what the problem is with the wife. She just seems inexplicably cold and stereotypically uptight and socially conscious. In contrast, Barrie is a stereotypical free spirit, not willing to sacrifice his inner child to the demands of wife and society. Why would these two people have married one another in the first place? We get kind of a pat explanations but nothing that delves very deep. I remember the Mary Martin 'Peter Pan' and always looking forward to it when I was a kid and I think I read the novel once. But I don't remember much about it. I had never thought of approaching the story from a Freudian point of view. Pretty interesting & possibly revealing stuff when you think about it in those terms. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:58:55 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: The Pope, njc BREE SAID: "The role of the pope is different than any other role or station in life...you just don't step down. He's the pope..I believe.. until he draws his last earthly breath. Laura...is this right? Bree" David said: Actually, a friend of mine, an Episcopalian priest (and former Catholic priest) said this is not true. There is a procedure for popes (usually because of ill health) to retire, and numerous popes have done so. (Interestingly, some popes have been accused of "retiring" to insure the succession of their handpicked successors). Apparently, this is a subject of much discussion in the church right now as many in the church hierarchy (mainly the most conservative) feel the Pope's insistence in retaining his position is putting the church behind in a time when religion is on the upswing. Anyway, that's what I'm told. Hello Bree and David! In my understanding, this Pope is all about giving. He could retire if he wanted to. But, he is instead sending out a message of giving his all. I believe when the time comes that he feels his disease is compromising his papacy, he will retire. With his Polish history, I imagine he has a different mindset than our society toward the elderly. My grandparents were 100% Polish, my grandfather being from near where the Pope grew up. They dreaded getting old in this country and talked about going back to Poland to age. There is a wisdom gained as one ages that isn't tapped into when people are instead focused on the physical conditions and limitations of a person. Our Pope seems to be beyond the narrow-mindedness of focussing on his physical condition. To me he seems very Christ-like in this sense because Jesus' ministry didn't end until he said "it is finished," as he died. The Pope is carrying the cross right now. His spirit is strong. I see Joni as similar. Despite health problems, she continued(s) to give from her incredible wisdom. Her later albums show how she kept giving despite changes in her physical well being, post-polio effects with aging, and her changed voice from smoking. Some people might have thought she should have retired before she did... or has she really retired? I have to wonder what might be down the road with her. I don't have a strong opinion regarding the Pope and the papacy. I tend to think things will take care of themselves because there is an other worldliness to the papacy. The Pope has a much broader vision than most people. I think Joni has that vision too. And, I don't have a strong opinion about what Joni is doing or not doing now... no expectations, no criticisms. I see people like this as all gift. Johnny Cash is another good example. They keep giving however they feel motivated to regardless of what others think. They seem to be driven by a common spirit of love that allows them to transcend their age. Love, Laura PS. The concept of insuring a handpicked successor has been part of church history for a long time, going back in the Old Testament where one of the leaders manipulated things to insure his successor would be a certain person rather than trusting God's choice of a successor after the leader's death. God was merciful and things in history still worked out for good, but the leader lost God's blessings and the successor had a difficult time. I'm not a bible scholar and tend to remember stories but not names. Maybe Vince could help me out here. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:07:03 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC If you really want to read a mind-blowing Peter Pan book, read Jacqueline Rose's _The Case of Peter Pan, or The Impossibility of Children's Fiction_. http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/1618.html - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:56 PM To: Catherine McKay; Gerald A. Notaro; David Henderson Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net; Joni Mitchell List Subject: Re: Finding Neverland NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: >> David Henderson said: >> >> I don't know >>> anything about Barrie, but the movie definitely left me feeling >>> that there was a juicier and more complex story to be told. >> >> To start with, she was still married when Barrie's >> interst in her >> began....... >> > > I enjoyed it and found it charming, but not terribly > deep. > The script seemed very superficial and not very well developed. According to the fascinating article that Richard so kindly posted the URL for, this story was a lot more complex than what the film presented. I was particularly bothered by the relationship between Barrie and his wife. The movie leads you to believe that he loved children and that the estrangement between him and his wife was largely responsible for his not having any of his own and his turning to the Llewellyn-Davies children as surrogates. But it never really explains what the problem is with the wife. She just seems inexplicably cold and stereotypically uptight and socially conscious. In contrast, Barrie is a stereotypical free spirit, not willing to sacrifice his inner child to the demands of wife and society. Why would these two people have married one another in the first place? We get kind of a pat explanations but nothing that delves very deep. I remember the Mary Martin 'Peter Pan' and always looking forward to it when I was a kid and I think I read the novel once. But I don't remember much about it. I had never thought of approaching the story from a Freudian point of view. Pretty interesting & possibly revealing stuff when you think about it in those terms. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:07:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Word Magazine - New Joni Content - --- Rob Ettridge wrote: > Hi > > As a subscriber to Word magazine from issue 1 I was > pleased to see Joni on the > cover last month, but was beaten to the punch in > letting the list know about > it. > > But unless I've missed it, no-one has yet reported > on the follow up letters > that appeared in the April edition. The second > letter has content that was > news to me at least. > > They're not long so I'll type them up here: > > "Congratulations to Jim Irvin for an article that > does justice to a great > artist, just about the only songwriter of her > generation who could stand toe > to toe with Bob Dylan. Speaking of Word magazine, and Jim Irvin, does anyone else find it strange that he has the same first name as the webmaster of jonimitchell.com and the same last name as the webmaster of jmdl.com? Coincidence, or....? In search of that article on the jmdl site and then doing a google search (and coming up with nada), I *did* find something else from a Word mag, the Feb 05 edition (same one, Rob, or was it March?), which was a Tori Amos article... with Joni content. Word UK music magazine February 2005 The Sense Impressionist - Tori Amos [...] How Do You Go About Writing Lyrics? What's the best lyric you've ever heard?" There's so many but I've always adored "I could drink a case of you, darling / And I'd still be on my feet" by Joni Mitchell (A Case Of You on the album Blue). Why? It's obvious! We all drink our men! I've gotten drunk off my men loads of times and if you can make that happen in a song, fantastic! It's both mediums working at once - visual and sonic. And you can taste it too. This is a transcendental lyric. It transforms itself. The whole article here: http://www.yessaid.com/interviews/05-02word.html Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:53:34 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: JMDL Staff Posistions and Word Magazine > Speaking of Word magazine, and Jim Irvin, does anyone else > find it strange that he has the same first name as the > webmaster of jonimitchell.com and the same last name as the > webmaster of jmdl.com? Coincidence, or....? [theme from "Twilight Zone" playing in the background] Busted! He and I collaborrated on that entire article. Not really. But Jim did email me to tell me he did most of his research at the JMDL Library. Speaking of which... I have some openings for staff positions at the JMDL website, mainly for "librarians" willing to locate and put articles on-line. As current staff members will attest, it's fun and exciting being a staff member. You get your profile on the staff page and the ability to make your updates from any web browser. Best of all, you are completely unburdened by any pesky income gained from the position. If interested, contact me for details. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: JMDL Staff Posistions and Word Magazine This is SO true...here I thought that college drinking parties were fun, and that hiking & rockclimbing in Arches National Park was exciting. Then I discovered that I could update Joni Undercover from my web browser at work!!! Man Oh Man!! No more waking up in strange beds or the great outdoors for me. Thanks Les for showing me the true path to fun & excitement - I would encourage everyone to come get a piece of the action. Bob, with less than a week until Volume 63... NP: Tarheels win! Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:41:56 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat I know her birthday doesn't come up for awhile but what do you think? Setting aside for a second the challenge of getting permission, (which I think can be done), would it make sense to give her a cat? Lama np: my cat, Joan, munching salmon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: "The Easter Birds" ... starring Jody -- njc http://tokyo.craigslist.org/rnr/65739022.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:42:58 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Big Brother, njc Big Brother is knockin' at the door: http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html http://www.4verichip.com http://www.adsx.com/investorrelations/pdfs/VeriBro.pdf ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #139 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)