From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 138 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Erika Luckett: Kindness, and Scales to Feathers (sjc) [Richard Goldma] Re: Have an egg, everybody, you'll feel better (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Schiavo [Reuben Bell ] Re: Re: good husband?, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: FS 798.01, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Enough Schiavo already (njc) [LCStanley7@aol.com] album covers [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC, now 41% JC [Randy Remote ] Re: Schiavo more NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Love Actually? ["Richard Flynn" ] Finding Neverland ["Mark or Travis" ] L.A. High School Math Exam ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Finding Neverland NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Ooops ["Laurent Olszer" ] pope; and, celibacy NJC [vince ] Re: Fraudulent email looks like from eBay or PayPal [PassScribe@aol.com] RE: Was "Love Actually" now "Finding Neverland" and njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Recording Session in May NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Finding Neverland -LITTLE BARRIE njc ["Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Erika Luckett: Kindness, and Scales to Feathers (sjc) Just a shout out to Walt. Heya! Is this Walt in SF? as in, we first saw Erika at the Bazaar Cafe a few years ago? She's so amazing ... I love her too. ~Richard - ---- Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 From: Littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Erika Luckett: Kindness, and Scales to Feathers (sjc) Hi gang: I know I've sung Erika Luckett's praises before (she and Patti Witten and Sarah Holcombe make up my personal trio of undersung (undercelebrated?) musical heroes), but I recently got Erika's two most recent albums (The New Orleans Sessions, and Unexpected) in the mail not long ago, and wanted to share two lyrics with you, my favorite virtual group. In the meantime: *All* of Erika's albums are wonderful, and I cannot encourage you strongly enough to seek them out. Her website is, not surprisingly, www.erikaluckett.com I'll let you know what she tells me of being aware of Joni's DJRD, which slipped by a lot of people's notice (not mine -- it's still my favorite). love to all, walt Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Have an egg, everybody, you'll feel better (njc) - --- Littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > Do you know, I > actually sent my 83-year-old mom an Easter card that > had the Easter Bunny sheepishly holding up a > decorated egg to JC on the corss, sayding, "Take an > egg -- you'll feel better." > > On the inside, it says, "If you laughed at this > card, you're going to hell." > > Needless to say, my mom has a great sense of humor, > or she wouldn't have kept me. > Well, I'm glad she did. Everyone in my family also has a warped sense of humour. A friend of mine showed me a Christmas card he had bought for someone at his church (!) The front had a manger scene with Mary yelling, "Jesus Christ! Shut the door!" and inside... "Were you born in a barn?" Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:39:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: NJC Schiavo >>I have no faith; I'm an atheist, and I believe that when I die I'll be obliterated. That's a frightening thought, and I sometimes think I'd give any bunch of doctors carte-blanche to keep me alive artificially as long as possible, as I believe it's my only hope.<< Hi Deb, I'm also an atheist (although I have lots of faith in human things, and human beings) and I also believe when I die I'll be obliterated. That, for me, is NOT a frightening thought, and I hope that if the time came I'd resist the temptation to grab the nearest (feeding) straw in order for my life to be artificially 'prolonged' (I don't see it as 'living'). Why is it not a frightening thought? Because death is inevitable and it would be foolish to see anything inevitable as anything less than natural and totally expected. I would like my death to come at a ripe old age and certainly have no desire to shuffle off this mortal coil, but let's be reasonable: we didn't ask to come here and we can't complain that we didn't get a fair shot. When I die, I'm out of here and people can talk about me as they like, fondly or otherwise, I don't care: I will not be there, I will be beyond resentment, I will be immune to insult, I will be elsewhere, I will not BE; I will BE dead. I only hope I don't do a Jimmy Cagney and repent at the last minute. Life is precious, but limited, so let's enjoy it while it's here and let it go when the time comes. I have nothing to add on the Terry Schiavo case, and my comments predate her media life. Here today, gone tomorrow, dust in the wind. 'It's alright ma, it's life and life only... mike in bcn npimh romeo is bleeding ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:04:04 -0500 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: NJC Schiavo I've been reading this thread with interest, and it has made me think about my own views of the after-earth side of things. I've suffered from depression, addictions, and a whole manner of human troubles in my 30 years, but death is not one of the things that has caused me one second of anxiety. I was raised Swedenborgian, which has given me a very comfortable view of what will or will not happen. It could be hogwash, but I believe it, and it gets me through the day without any worries (another benefit - thanks E. Swedenborg!) The scary thing to me would be laying in a hospice bed for 15 years watching and listening to my family and friends talk about me without the abilty to respond. That would be absolutely unbearable.That to me would be the ultimate hell, and I'd be grateful to anyone who would end it for me, regardless of the method. To me, TS's parents are well intentioned, but totally, totally wrong. Reuben On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:39:32 +0100, mike pritchard wrote: > >>I have no faith; I'm an atheist, and I believe that when I die I'll be > obliterated. That's a frightening thought, and I sometimes think I'd give any > bunch of doctors carte-blanche to keep me alive artificially as long as > possible, as I believe it's my only hope.<< > > Hi Deb, I'm also an atheist (although I have lots of faith in human things, > and human beings) and I also believe when I die I'll be obliterated. That, for > me, is NOT a frightening thought, and I hope that if the time came I'd resist > the temptation to grab the nearest (feeding) straw in order for my life to be > artificially 'prolonged' (I don't see it as 'living'). > Why is it not a frightening thought? Because death is inevitable and it would > be foolish to see anything inevitable as anything less than natural and > totally expected. I would like my death to come at a ripe old age and > certainly have no desire to shuffle off this mortal coil, but let's be > reasonable: we didn't ask to come here and we can't complain that we didn't > get a fair shot. When I die, I'm out of here and people can talk about me as > they like, fondly or otherwise, I don't care: I will not be there, I will be > beyond resentment, I will be immune to insult, I will be elsewhere, I will not > BE; I will BE dead. I only hope I don't do a Jimmy Cagney and repent at the > last minute. Life is precious, but limited, so let's enjoy it while it's here > and let it go when the time comes. I have nothing to add on the Terry Schiavo > case, and my comments predate her media life. Here today, gone tomorrow, dust > in the wind. 'It's alright ma, it's life and life only... > mike in bcn > npimh romeo is bleeding ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:22:05 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: good husband?, njc Vince wrote: I think he is a witness to the love that he bears for his wife and I do not begrudge him that years after his wife was pronounced essentially dead that he has found a way to continue his life. Hi Vince, I don't "begrudge" Michael Schiavo either. I just see inconsistencies in what he says and does. No doubt he loves Terri and has had a hard time letting her go, i.e., couldn't divorce her. It has got to be very difficult for him right now as he watches and waits for Terri to die. I really can't imagine. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:25:17 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Vince wrote: Love you Laura! I love you too Vince and always appreciate what you write. You keep me balanced my dear friend. I understood you were not aiming at me. Smile. Yours, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:44:43 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: FS 798.01, njc Catherine wrote: You tend not to see the expression "open adultery" in the mainstream press, that's for sure. Hi Catherine, FS 798.01 Living in Open Adultery is a legal document from Florida. I didn't see the phrase in the mainstream press, but it might have been printed somewhere. It sounds like someone has an agenda (don't we all? but this sounds like a "burn the witches" type of agenda to me.) I think it was just another legal angle covered in the very tangled case revolving around Terri Schiavo. Obviously, it didn't affect the decisions of the courts since they've upheld the removal of the tube as requested by Michael Schiavo. I don't know all of the details of the many trials that have occured so all I can do is trust that the court decisions which have been tested and tested through all the appeals are solid. Apparently each party had to do what they had to do in this case out of love for Terri. I don't see either as a villian or a witch. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:57:19 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Enough Schiavo already (njc) Michael wrote: Where is the political will to reduce the poverty, provide basic nutrition and clean water for the world's children ? Why is it that the fate of a poor white lady in the USA is taking up so much time and space, when the suffering of millions of people in developing countries around the world go largely unnoticed every day? Perhaps it is because we cannot bend our minds around the enormity of the problem. However, I do think we need to set and keep sight of our priorities. There are so many more important battles to fight for. Hi Michael, Thanks for the above. Right on! Terri Schiavo is but one beached starfish. In addition to political focus, I wish the media would focus more on what is going on in the rest of the world and what good is being done there or what needs to be done. A lot more can be done. Here is an organization that I can recommend along these lines: _http://www.mercycorps.org/_ (http://www.mercycorps.org/) . Love, Laura PS. Where are you in Quebec? I'm going to be in Montreal early in July. Maybe we can connect. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:23:02 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: album covers Hi Ya'll, I was listening to the album Both Sides Now this morning and looking at the cover. Then I noticed Clouds was on my counter and thought the two album covers looked cool next to each other and started noticing similarities and differences. Both are Joni self portraits, and both have red under her left chin, a flower and the product of the fruit of a flower. I have to wonder if Joni looked at Clouds or had it in her mind when she painted the cover of BSN? The expressions on both portraits are very similar. They look so cool side by side, both sides of her life, young and old. She can see both sides now but could only imagine both when she made Clouds. The background colors are so contrasted. And, in the BSN background there is a cloud of smoke that looks like it is about to bite Joni... a reference toward death pursuing her perhaps? The river in the background of Clouds reminds me of the table on BSN with the reflections and the horizontal direction. The location of Joni's cigarette on BSN is remniscent of the location of the sun on Clouds... the fire of the lighted cigarrette being a similar color to the Clouds sky. Anyway, I'm fascinated by these self portraits and the beauty of the two albums taken together. The song BSN is the last on each album, and that struck me as profound. The album BSN is as if Joni has gone back in time to her mother or grandmother's time musically because of the age of most of the songs. Reminds me of her words in Chinese Cafe, "Grown so fast, Like the turn of a page, We look like our mothers did now, When we were those kids' age." With love and awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:27:36 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC, now 41% JC "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > You get the "Julie Z. Webb Memorial Award for Literature". Here's your > gold-plated copy of the "Hejira" CD, on a scarlet, velvet, neck band. > RR and Muller are on probation for taking so many > swipes at the compilations. *sigh* Always a bridesmaid, never a bride..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:35:58 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The Head Cabbage in a Persistent Vegetative State (njc) Yes, what an outrage that Dubya hasn't even sent a card. This shooting took place within an Indian reservation. Columbine took place in a rich white community. But Clinton was president then, so the media (once again) can share the blame for their Barnum and Bailey infotainment jive. It's passed the level of absurdity-the big story on network news the other night was the voting irregularities on American Idol, which, get this, resulted in an immediate re-vote. Can't type anymore...must puke... RR Richard Flynn wrote: > You know I stayed out of this, but this morning's Washington Post story made > me extremely angry. While the President has been busy trying to shore up > his right-wing nut-job base, by cynically manipulating the Schiavo > controversy, the poor people of Red Lake, MN are angry about his silence > about the school shooting. This quotation is telling: > > "From all over the world we are getting letters of condolence, the Red > Cross has come, but the so-called Great White Father in Washington hasn't > said or done a thing," said Clyde Bellecourt, a Chippewa Indian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:56:47 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Love Actually? Did anyone ever comment on Love Actually maybe even on the jc? After all, it's got the British PM's (Hugh Grant) sister who is a big Joni fan, and excerpts from River and BSN (BSN's). Sister says "She learned how to feel from Joni." Te--rri-fic movie regardless of Joni content IMO. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:32:26 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC The role of the pope is different than any other role or station in life...you just don'[t step down. He's the pope..I believe.. until he draws his last earthly breath. Laura...is this right? Bree >From: Lori Fye >Reply-To: Lori Fye >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:03:50 -0500 > >I can't figure out why they don't let the other almost-dead person do >Terri's last rites and then let him rest in peace. > >I'm writing of the Pope, of course. I don't mean any offense to those >who hold him in high regard, but holy moley, why doesn't someone tell >the the man it's time to step down already?? > >Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:38:17 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Love Actually? There was a thread on this awhile back--the scene with Emma Thompson after she receives _BSN_ is fabulous--it almost made me like the orchestral version of "BSN." Actually (Woops--that's part of the film title) the world-weary performance of the song works perfectly in that charming film. The film is a bit slight, but slight romantic comedies look almost like masterpieces compared to most Hollywood fare. On the NJC front, I'm going to watch _Finding Neverland_ tonight, which I understand takes great liberties with J.M. Barrie's actual biography, but with the inspired casting of Johnny Depp as Barrie, how can it not be good? I'll try to take off my children's literature professor and scholar hat and just enjoy. As I truly did enjoy _Love Actually_ without having to be the critic. "Now I sit up here--the critic, And they introduce some band. But they seem so much confetti Looking at 'em on my TV set." (from one of my 2 favorite Joni albums--the other being Hejira) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Laurent Olszer Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:57 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Love Actually? Did anyone ever comment on Love Actually maybe even on the jc? After all, it's got the British PM's (Hugh Grant) sister who is a big Joni fan, and excerpts from River and BSN (BSN's). Sister says "She learned how to feel from Joni." Te--rri-fic movie regardless of Joni content IMO. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:51:15 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Finding Neverland Richard Flynn wrote: > > On the NJC front, I'm going to watch _Finding Neverland_ tonight, > which I understand takes great liberties with J.M. Barrie's actual > biography, but with the inspired casting of Johnny Depp as Barrie, > how can it not be good? I'll try to take off my children's > literature > professor and scholar hat and just enjoy. > I'd be very interested in your thoughts on 'Finding Neverland', Richard. It's the only one of the films that was nominated for the Academy Award that I have actually seen. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:19:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: L.A. High School Math Exam >> LA HIGH SCHOOL MATH EXAM >> >> Name: _____________________ >> Gang:________________________ >> >> Duane has an AK47 with a 30 round clip. If he misses 6 >> out of 10 shots and shoots 13 times at each drive by >> shooting, how many drive by shootings can he attempt >> before he has to reload? >> >> If Jose has 2 ounces of cocaine and he sells an 8 ball >> to Jackson for $320 and 2 grams to Billy for $85 per >> gram, what is the street value of the balance of the >> cocaine if he doesn't cut it? >> >> Rufus is pimping for 3 girls. If the price is $65 for >> each trick, how many tricks will each girl have to >> turn so Rufus can pay for his $800 per day crack >> habit? >> >> Jarome wants to cut his 1/2 pound of Heroin to make >> 20% more profit. How many ounces of cut will he need? >> >> Willie gets $200 for stealing a BMW, $50 for a Chevy >> and $100 for a 4x4. If he has stolen 2 BMW's and 3 >> 4x4's, how many Chevy's will he have to steal to make >> $800? >> >> Raoul is in prison for 6 years for murder. He got >> $10,000 for the hit. If his common law wife is >> spending $100 per month, how much money will he have >> left when he gets out of prison and how many years >> will he get for killing the bitch that spent his >> money? >> >> If the average spray paint can covers 22 square feet >> and the average letter is 3 square feet, how many >> letters can a tagger spray with 3 cans of paint? >> >> Hector knocked up 6 girls in his gang. There are 27 >> girls in the gang. What percentage of the girls in the >> gang has Hector knocked up? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:21:00 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Finding Neverland NJC I will let you know, Mark. And I have added NJC to the subject line here so I don't forget to include it when I respond. Yours, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:51 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'Laurent Olszer'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Finding Neverland Richard Flynn wrote: > > On the NJC front, I'm going to watch _Finding Neverland_ tonight, > which I understand takes great liberties with J.M. Barrie's actual > biography, but with the inspired casting of Johnny Depp as Barrie, > how can it not be good? I'll try to take off my children's > literature > professor and scholar hat and just enjoy. > I'd be very interested in your thoughts on 'Finding Neverland', Richard. It's the only one of the films that was nominated for the Academy Award that I have actually seen. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:19:55 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Ooops Sorry I forgot the NJC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:44:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: pope; and, celibacy NJC he can resign, he certainly wouldn't be the first to do so, but it opens the door to schism - conspiracy theories would abound that the pope was forced out and the 'True Church' was with that pope, and there would be divided loyalties and if the retired pope was ever even rumored to disagree on something with the incumbent - the pope's office is no different than any other, such as the presiding bishop (or president/moderator/whatever) of any church body, or the ecumenical patriarch, or leading inman, or the Dali Lama, or what have you, but given the particular denominational doctrine, ecclesiolgy, and theology of the Roman Catholic Church, it would be way too traumatic and/or potentially schismatic for a Pope to resign and this one will not. The next pope will just as conservative - this pope appointed all the electors (cardinals). I had such ecumenical hopes for this pontiff that were dashed. He has been very good on economic and political / war & peace issues, but punted big time on Latin American justice issues and on the role of women (and all gender, sexuality and orientation issues), child abuse, and such, his record has been dismal to say the least. He did open some doors in inter church relations but never really followed up (the Roman Catholic/Lutheran concordat on grace was outstanding and not followed up) and his role in supporting Solidarity (and the cracks thereby in the Soviet bloc) may take a few generations to understand, when/if archives are unlocked, but surely was more than we know. Laura, your view on the why of clerical celibacy is more "going back and adopting an explanation by the powers that be" than I would take as historical. Without saying too much (as if I ever do, ha!) there was from at least close to the start a celibate/monastic strain within the Church but that is what it was and where it stayed until the beginning of the 2nd millennia. Power and money were not two separate things, they were one, in the Church and society (not much difference there either) from say the 7th-8th century on, and bishoprics (i.e., dioceses and watch Smurf have fun with that word) were being passed down from father to son to grandson and the same was happening in parishes. When they were not inherited, they were sold. The corruption was so great that is why a Francis of Assisi and Clair were so noticed. The institution of clerical celibacy was to break the generational cycle of abuse and corruption - as well as create episcopal openings so that power (and money) would flow to and from Rome, rather than remain in the bishoprics. Bree Mcdonough wrote: > The role of the pope is different than any other role or station in > life...you just don'[t step down. > > He's the pope..I believe.. until he draws his last earthly breath. > > Laura...is this right? > > Bree > > > >> From: Lori Fye >> Reply-To: Lori Fye >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:03:50 -0500 >> >> I can't figure out why they don't let the other almost-dead person do >> Terri's last rites and then let him rest in peace. >> >> I'm writing of the Pope, of course. I don't mean any offense to those >> who hold him in high regard, but holy moley, why doesn't someone tell >> the the man it's time to step down already?? >> >> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:18:19 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Fraudulent email looks like from eBay or PayPal > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:16:29 -0500 > From: Claud9 > Subject: Subject: fraudulent email looks like it's from PayPal > If you get anything asking for personal or bank information, no matter how legit it looks, it's probably a fraud. Report any questionable email to spoof@ebay.com; simply "forward" the whole thing to them & they will get back to you, usually confirming the attempted hoax. Kenny B (hi to all; sorry I've been absent for so long but extremely busy with other projects) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Was "Love Actually" now "Finding Neverland" and njc - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > On the NJC front, I'm going to watch _Finding > Neverland_ tonight, which I > understand takes great liberties with J.M. Barrie's > actual biography, but > with the inspired casting of Johnny Depp as Barrie, > how can it not be good? > I'll try to take off my children's literature > professor and scholar hat and > just enjoy. > Just watched that last night. While it was a charming film, I kept thinking, "Yabbbut, yabbut, betcha it's not true to real life at all." I know nothing about JM Barrie, of course, and I love Johnny Depp and Kate Winslett, but kept thinking about Michael Jackson for some reason... :-( Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:48:46 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Recording Session in May NJC I concur with Paz....I love your voice. It's a unique voice and one that grabs you right away. Whatever songs you choose they should be real torchers..love lost maybe never to be found again. Songs with lots drama to it...lots. Carly Simon's .."That's The Way I Always Heard It Should Be"...just came to mind. Oh...Steely's Dan's.."Aja"...I'd love to hear you sing this one. "Cry Me A River" Garth Brook's "The Dance" Stevie Wonder's ..All In Love Is Fair. Best of luck to you! Let us know how it went...please!! Love... Bree >Gary >A spirit like yours should record as many of your own songs that will fit >on >the record + a couple YOU really love. I would give my eye teeth to produce >a couple of dem! Best of luck! Always loved you voice as well as your >spirit! Willy is not well tonight and I am trying to figure out what to do. > >Best > >Paz > > > Hello all, > > > > I apologize in advance for not marking this NJC, but I am hoping to > > reach as many of you as possible with this post. I am due to travel to > > Nashville in early May to do my next recording session, and would > > appreciate the list's ideas of songs to record. It can be Joni songs or > > non-Joni songs. I will certainly take any suggestions into > > consideration, and would also especially be interested in hearing from > > the songwriters on the list. If you have a song that you have written > > that you might like to hear someone else record, I'd be most happy to > > listen to any songs you may choose to send me. > > > > Thanks for any input you may have for me! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:55:03 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Was "Love Actually" now "Finding Neverland" and njc Yes, I had a hard time suspending disbelief--I've read much about Barrie and have taught _Peter and Wendy_ (Barrie's novelization of the play) many times. If anyone wants the real story of J.M Barrie and the Llewellen Davies boys, read Andrew Birkin's book _J.M. Barrie and the Lost Boys_ or visit his excellent web site: http://www.jmbarrie.co.uk/ It was too schmaltzy, and romanticized the life of a truly strange man, whose strangeness informed a very strange play, and later a stranger children's novel. (The textual history of _Peter Pan_ is fascinating, but I won't go into it here.) As for Michael Jackson, well Barrie was comparably famous in his time. The best evidence also suggests that there was nothing sexual between hin and the boys--in fact the best evidence suggests that there was precious little in the way of sex in Barrie's life at all. His marriage to Mary Astell, was most likely never consummated. A famous diary entry of his speaks volumes (and is often quoted in the criticism): -Greatest horror-dream I am married-wake up shrieking. - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:27 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'Laurent Olszer'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Was "Love Actually" now "Finding Neverland" and njc - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > On the NJC front, I'm going to watch _Finding > Neverland_ tonight, which I > understand takes great liberties with J.M. Barrie's > actual biography, but > with the inspired casting of Johnny Depp as Barrie, > how can it not be good? > I'll try to take off my children's literature > professor and scholar hat and > just enjoy. > Just watched that last night. While it was a charming film, I kept thinking, "Yabbbut, yabbut, betcha it's not true to real life at all." I know nothing about JM Barrie, of course, and I love Johnny Depp and Kate Winslett, but kept thinking about Michael Jackson for some reason... :-( Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:24:14 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Finding Neverland -njc Jerry Notaro wrote: > Well, you didn't ask me :) but I was not at all enchanted by it. > > Jerry > I agree that there was something lacking. Not sure what it was. Very handsomely produced, I like Johnny Depp and Kate Winslett and it's always a pleasure to see Julie Christie on the screen again. But ultimately it felt contrived or something. Something just wasn't there. I couldn't see why it got the critical acclaim that it did or why this particular film got a best picture nomination. The characters didn't seem very well developed. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:54:17 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Finding Neverland -LITTLE BARRIE njc I'm not an expert on JM Barrie, but I've just discovered an exciting UK rock'n groove trio: Little Barrie. Love their 1st new CD, band is currently on tour in UK Laurent ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #138 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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