From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #133 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 133 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Terry and HOPE NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Compilations [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Terry and HOPE NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: Terry and HOPE NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) [Brian Gross ] Re: Terry and HOPE NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC burial, your body [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) [Brian Gross ] curare.... :( NJC [Em ] Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC burial, your body [Randy Remote ] Mary Gauthier - NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: why'd she stop? [FMYFL@aol.com] I love this list (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: why'd she stop? ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: I love this list (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: why'd she stop? ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: curare.... :( NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: "Speechless"? [littlebreen@comcast.net] [none] [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: NJC burial, your body, old guys [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: dc joni fest? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC, now 98.3% JC [Bob Muller ] fraudulent email looks like it's from PayPal ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: NJC burial, your body..a slightly tasteless look at trying to donate your body. [Catherine McKay ] Re: Schiavo more NJC ["McMillan Brad" ] This is Why (njc ?) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Schiavo more now the Pope NJC [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:48 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Terry and HOPE NJC Hi John... It's been reported all over the place. Marianne and I saw a nurse just last night on Fox ...a RN.. who had worked with her for six months at another facility several years ago and she said ...indeed ..Terry would try to speak. Also.. I have heard various doctors report this. The RN would give her Jello and Terry didn't aspirate. SHe would have to do this secretly because her husband disapproved. There is also a doctor who asserts that if he had access to her there is NO DOUBT IN HIS MIND HE COULD GET HER TO SPEAK AGAIN. He's the one who evaluated her for ten hours. There is hope for this woman but it is quickly expiring. Bree >>Hi Em... >> >>Yes..Terry can swallow and breathe on her own. She has even mouthed >>words. I believe she has a G tube..but I'm not positive about that. >> > >From what I have read Terri can reflexively swallow well enough to clear >her mouth of saliva but previous tests indicate she has a high likelihood >of choking to death on any food she might attempt to swallow. > >However, I have not read anything indicating she can willfully mouth words >at all. I'm very curious where this was reported.... > >Thanks, >John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:14:15 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc That's not what you were saying last night! How come you were saying bushie...I love bushie... in your sleep? >he's a disturbed human being > >. . . playing both sides > > > >"For your information, while he was governor of Texas, Bush signed the >Advanced Directives Act in 1999, which gives hospitals the right to remove >life support in cases where there is no possibility of revival, when the >family cannot pay, no matter what the family's wishes are in the matter. In >Texas, you can only live in a persistent vegetative state if you are >accepted in one of the few institutions that provide such care, or if your >family is both willing and able to take care of you." > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:12:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Compilations But let us be realistic. Joni is as good a song writer as Georgia was a painter. Let's leave it at that. Jerry > Jerry wrote: > >> And yet Joni expresses so much praise for Georgia O'Keefe, who worked >> continually until she was 96. > > Ah yes, but Joni IS still painting ;o) She's always said she is a painter > first and foremost, and that she got into music simply to pay the bills (and > I suspect paying the bills will be no problem for a looooong time yet), so > maybe this admiration is from Joni the painter, not Joni the recording > artist. > > I also wonder how much the post-polio syndrome is playing a part in her not > recording, etc.? > > > Hell > > _________________________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be great > audiences too" - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:07:07 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Terry and HOPE NJC Since most of us on the list are not experts on the medical issue in this case, it's really important that we all try to evaluate the sources of information we really on. This doctor "who evaluated her for ten hours" is Dr. William Hammesfahr, a controversial doctor who has misled the public and his patients in stating that he has been nominated for a Nobel prize. This Nobel-prize fable has been repeated without question on Fox and even in more mainstream news sources, although it took me roughly ten minutes to discover that his claim is patently false. This guy seems to have a Christian-right agenda, and his "nomination" was merely a letter written on his behalf by a right-wing anti-choice Congressman. Probably a nitpicky thing to get upset about, but I don't like liars. And I get frustrated by the way the media picks up on one borderline-kooky voice and trumpets it all over the place. At 07:57 AM 3/24/2005, you wrote: >There is also a doctor who asserts that if he had access to her there is >NO DOUBT IN HIS MIND HE COULD GET HER TO SPEAK AGAIN. He's the one who >evaluated her for ten hours. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:22:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Terry and HOPE NJC And the "nurse" who claims that Terri tried to "mouth words" claims she was a Registered Nurse when she worked with Terri. She was 18 years old at the time and no more an RN than I am an MD. Jerry > Since most of us on the list are not experts on the medical issue in this > case, it's really important that we all try to evaluate the sources of > information we really on. This doctor "who evaluated her for ten hours" is > Dr. William Hammesfahr, a controversial doctor who has misled the public > and his patients in stating that he has been nominated for a Nobel > prize. This Nobel-prize fable has been repeated without question on Fox > and even in more mainstream news sources, although it took me roughly ten > minutes to discover that his claim is patently false. This guy seems to > have a Christian-right agenda, and his "nomination" was merely a letter > written on his behalf by a right-wing anti-choice Congressman. > > Probably a nitpicky thing to get upset about, but I don't like liars. And > I get frustrated by the way the media picks up on one borderline-kooky > voice and trumpets it all over the place. > > > > > At 07:57 AM 3/24/2005, you wrote: >> There is also a doctor who asserts that if he had access to her there is >> NO DOUBT IN HIS MIND HE COULD GET HER TO SPEAK AGAIN. He's the one who >> evaluated her for ten hours. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Deb Messling -^..^- >> messling@enter.net >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0323051weise1.html I wonder why did this obviously *very* troubled teen not receive intervention prior to the tragedy he promulgated? Brian in south jersey Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Schiavo more NJC .....and the thing thats is bugging me more and more is that now this seems to be appealing to the gen. public's sense of morbid fascination. Like the slow down on the road to view a wreck. Now it's like a countdown. How long til SOMETHING happens. Will they yank her into the hospital? Is Jeb gonna be a cowboy about this? I think someone mentioned her limbs might have to be cut off... I feel she is being martyred - one way or the other. Unfortunately, without her having free will! It would be different if she martyred "herself", in some way. But this is taking advantage. oh and there's the yahoo headline "DeLay invokes God.". I'm trying to get away from it..but its everywhere...here at work the production workers talking it up loudly at break, yesterday at the haircut place, sigh.... Hideous this is. I'm trying to find a bright aspect to this, but I can't. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:16:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Terry and HOPE NJC - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Since most of us on the list are not experts on the > medical issue in this > case, it's really important that we all try to > evaluate the sources of > information we really on. [...] > Probably a nitpicky thing to get upset about, but I > don't like liars. And > I get frustrated by the way the media picks up on > one borderline-kooky > voice and trumpets it all over the place. Thanks, Deb. Words to live by! Yet another reason why I don't trust the media. Just because you read it in the papers, doesn't make it true. (I feel a National Enquirer moment coming on - I married a two-headed alien!!! AAACCCKK! I'm OK now.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) - --- Brian Gross wrote: > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0323051weise1.html > > I wonder why did this obviously *very* troubled teen > not receive intervention > prior to the tragedy he promulgated? > And speaking of smoking guns, why did he have easy access to them? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:22:00 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC And they'll see it as a sign from God if Terri passes on Good Friday. Jerry > .....and the thing thats is bugging me more and more is that now this > seems to be appealing to the gen. public's sense of morbid fascination. > Like the slow down on the road to view a wreck. > Now it's like a countdown. How long til SOMETHING happens. Will they > yank her into the hospital? Is Jeb gonna be a cowboy about this? I > think someone mentioned her limbs might have to be cut off... > I feel she is being martyred - one way or the other. Unfortunately, > without her having free will! It would be different if she martyred > "herself", in some way. But this is taking advantage. > oh and there's the yahoo headline "DeLay invokes God.". > I'm trying to get away from it..but its everywhere...here at work the > production workers talking it up loudly at break, yesterday at the > haircut place, sigh.... > Hideous this is. I'm trying to find a bright aspect to this, but I > can't. > Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body There may be a practical reason why old guys can still impregnate young women. The young guys are all sent off to war (by the old guys). Who is left to ensure future generations? Old guys! On the other hand... maybe wars all start *because* old guys want younger women... We haven't evolved. Aren't we just full of controversy these days? - --- McMillan Brad wrote: > I guess there's nothing like having a woman young > enough to be your daughter > and then actually being able to impregnate her to > bolster one's denial about > old age. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Remote" > To: "Catherine McKay" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body > > > > > P.S. Did you hear that Demi Moore is preggers? > and that that old fart > Paul McCartney is going to be a father again? What > is up with that!!! > > > > Great, they can all change their diapers together. > > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:04:35 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) Maybe because he killed his grandfather, a police officer, and stole *HIS* weapons, bulletproof vest and squad car, all of which were used to commit his crimes. - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Brian Gross wrote: > > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0323051weise1.html > > > > I wonder why did this obviously *very* troubled teen > > not receive intervention > > prior to the tragedy he promulgated? > > > > And speaking of smoking guns, why did he have easy > access to them? > > > Catherine Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:15:39 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body..a slightly tasteless look at trying to donate your body. I always seem to bounce in on these up beat topics!!! WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE SHELL??? good topic It really is. I worry about landfill issues (if I get buried), or air pollution (if I get cremated) and so I thought "yeah I will donate my body for the time when......" Not so simple.... It would seem you have to join a waiting list as the fridges (a bit of a relief...but a little worrying too) are absolutely groaning with cadaverous funeral expense dodgers....A friend of mine is a GP and she was telling me all about this not so long ago. Also... even if you get accepted (I mean......... what a rejection to have on your file...."cant get her body used for experiments")they can decide not to use you. Also you must not be murdered, run over by a car, train, motor or other bike, tractor, agricultural harvesting equipment, fall from a great height, be involved in a plane crash, be burned to death, or be involved in some violent end (it ruins the corpse for disection)The list is endless. The reason being that cadavers need to be in good condition but in bad health!! I love this whole idea. You are most likely to be of use if you have a peculiar condition, a strangely malformed brain or body or are Post mortem is a different thing to learning the physiology of the body. In post mortem, mangled and meeting your end in an unusual way is good. When Sheila was doing her training at University and they spent something like 6 months cutting up bodies, she could never bring herself to cook after the sessions. She used to go to the local fish and chip shop on the way back and get her food from there. She had to stop doing that though, as one of the lads working there was a gynea registrar and that made her feel even more queasy. Once you have been used up the rellies are all called in to the hospital chapel for a rememberance service for up to 30 of the cadavers that have done their time. you can then get a jar of mixed ashes.. I like that idea you end up being scattered with a load of other people all over the place.... So that is that. I have signed up for body and bits donation for whenever the day might be (years yet if I have any say in it)... I want everyone to have a party no matter how it ends for me.. No feeling sad or moaning. Wait til a great sunset and go to Old Winchester HIll. or up to Avebury amongst the stones.... Oh that is it..go to Avebury for Solstice and stay up all night enjoying the people and the booze.......... Take along some good wine and enjoy it. I will have left instructions as to music and the poems I would like people to hear.... Just a shame I wont be there!!!! Off to walk the dog along the beach.......we both need it after a day of being in doors Love and hugs to you all Lucy Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:05:24 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body I am signed up to be an organ donor, and I have no problem donating the rest of my body to medical science, and I guess I should find out how to do that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:42:45 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: Tragedy at Red Lake High School (njc) In small town and rural America, access to guns is everyday. Just south of where I live we just had a case where two 15 year olds were goofing with the loaded shotgun one had in his closet and the shotgun discharged with the predictable result. Where I recently lived an hour way, three 15 year olds were out hunting and the shotgun of one discharged as they were running and severly wounded another kid. Many parts of this country, hunting is a regular activity and kids hunt. Vince - -- > And speaking of smoking guns, why did he have easy > access to them? > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:02:02 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Brain Stem and Thalamus etc njc HI Laura, i have just been catching up with the amassed digests (although i should be making a cheese cake and giving the gas company a piece of my mind) and have found your recent posts very interesting. The links you provided about the thalamus and consciousness were very interesting esp. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~lka/conz3a.htm Particularly interesting to me (yes, bias) was the interpretation of the attentional blink given. I had quite an interest in that phenomenon at one time and did not come across the research cited (much of it was later than my own consideration of AB mind you). Also, i never came across any studies incoroporating neuroimaging, so some of this was new to me. Thank You (not saying i agree with it all!). Of course there is a lot to digest in those pages, and a hell of a lot more on that site. Any piece trying to outline a theory of the neural basis of consciousness or, as i prefer, awareness, is always going to be interesting in my opinion.. This is a fascinating topic. One thing that i think should always be highlighted in articles like this is that the information included only covers some of the potential pre-requisites for conscious awareness and the neural basis of awareness and attention. There are many other lines of research and many conflicting points of view (often on points so subtle that it can be difficult to even see these differences..... especially, i would say, when discussing links between neuroanatomy and brain function). I did not follow the thread very closely, but did read a lot of the posts. I was struck by a few things that you said in one of your posts Laura (your very informative post "subject: re:brain stem njc"). (this really got me thinking about these issues and i thank you greatly for that, although i got stuck at a certain point so maybe you can help me:-) I ask now is there a difference between consciousness and having thoughts? Is conscious awareness the same as being conscious? I would be very interested in your answer to the first question, as i think it might help me to articulate my thoughts (as you can see by now i'm all over the place, lol). I am thinking along the following lines and have walked myself into a wall, and where the problem in my reasoning lies may be very obvious but i just can't seem to pull it all together: If the brainstem and the thalamus are among the "indispensible substrata" for consciousness, which i don't doubt, this does not necessarily imply that the cerebral cortex is not also critical in conscsiouness or awareness. Awareness most likely involves an interplay between multiple brain (including many cortical) areas in an extended network. Evidence from research into disorders like neglect, blindsight, prospagnosia suggests/supports this. So, to exist without a functional cerebral cortex likely means existing with impaired (if you excuse the use of that awful word) consciousness or perhaps without the expereince of conscious awareness even if that person can respond emotionally to visual and auditory stimuli. So, the problem for me is that while i agree with what you said about it being presumptuous to conclude that a person without a functional cerebral cortex is prohibitted from having thoughts, isn't it also presumptuous to conclude that they are having thoughts? Or is it the case that thoughts are need not be conscious and can include feelings, emotional reactions etc. I agree that Terri Schiavo is probably having some mental experience that is inaccessible to the outside world, but what does this mean? Apologies if i'm failing to make sense. On another note, a couple of years ago i saw the brilliant Barbara Wilson talk at a meeting of the British Neuropsychological Society. Her presentation was called "Cognitive Recovery And Emotional Adjustment in a Vegetative Patient". The patient in this case was in a persistent vegetative state for 6 months. I found her story inspiring. This study showed that cognitively, this woman was functioning at a level much higher than even those that cared for her believed. Later, it emerged that she was and had been very angry and distressed at her earlier treatment and the loss of so many things in her life. While she was in a vegetative state to the outside world, things were registering and she maintained some understanding. Ultimately she made much cognitive and emotional recovery. I know this is very different to the case of Terri Schiavo, but it shows that hope and optimisim can be really important and, more to the point, it highlights how little we actually know when it comes to these things. thanks for getting me thinking Laura GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: curare.... :( NJC thats some scary stuff.... you can have THOUGHTS!!!! and suffer, but you are paralyzed - even your breathing....but it doesn't stop your heart! that would be a worse fate... and like the little boy in "My Life As a Dog" always said, "you've got to compare." I hope to have one of those "never even knew what hit her" deaths... but not now. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:32:37 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Then there's the hope that she inserted the "missing" passage of text too. Remember that? Maybe it's an extended version of PP. Sincerely, Jim PS, the new OtR is on its way here. > "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > rarities. Somewhere Charlie Mingus is smiling. The pace has slowed but > the work goes on.> > > I'll respectfully disagree with that. When Springsteen officially > released 4 cd's worth of songs from the vault (the Tracks boxset), > it was good news. A remix of PP isn't a rarity, it's a gimmick to > sell a CD. I'd be surprised if any of us will be able to hear a > difference (sensing that I'll regret saying THAT) > > Now if she had some outtakes or sessions that led up to PP, then > my friend you gots some rarities & I'm the first in line to buy it. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:35:58 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Memories of Ashara NJC Whoa. "Ashara" is an Internet hoax. Like Venus, she's a mythical figure who's name pops up every so often. Details: www.hoaxes.html?psp:Ashara All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Mark or Travis wrote: > Before everybody gets their hopes up too much and not meaning to be a > killjoy but I'm wondering if a 'remix' means an edited version. After > all the original is 16:19 minutes long. That's true; although the total times for the SOAPG tracks come out to 78 minutes and change, if full length versions of every song are used, so there would be room for the whole thing. Another possibility is that the mix could be radically different; remember all the missing lyrics in the album sleeve? Who knows? Whatever the case, it's worth $18 bucks to me to hear the new version, unless it's just the same one, edited shorter, Wayne. RR ps: cost of a 4 CD box set, if it comes out one track at a time: $1440 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:29:48 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: why'd she stop? oh we could go on: 7) she's already slept with all the producers and musicians she thought were interesting. 8) she's still mad about being called a folk singer. 9) you can't smoke on stage in a lot of venues anymore. 10) since she's not "dating" much, she doesn't have any new busted romances to write about. 11) who wants to live out of suitcases in hotel rooms? Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. and my favorite: 12) both her houses are paid for and the royalties are enough to support her quite well, thank you. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: why'd she stop? > Here are all the reasons I can think of that have been > advanced over the past couple of years when the > subject of Joni's departure from making new > music/retirement comes up: > > 1) she wants to devote her creative energy to painting > > 2) she's unhappy with her voice > 3) the music business is a cesspool > 4) she's underappreciated > 5) her reunion with her daughter has killed her music > muse > 6) post-polio syndrome makes making music > uncomfortable > > If I had to choose one, I guess I'd say #7. > > --Smurf > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:37:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body Catherine McKay wrote: > There may be a practical reason why old guys can still > impregnate young women. The young guys are all sent > off to war (by the old guys). Who is left to ensure > future generations? Old guys! > > On the other hand... maybe wars all start *because* > old guys want younger women... This theory is interesting BUT 99% of the time the young women marry RICH old guys, so I think there is some other force at work....wait, it'll come to me..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:34:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Mary Gauthier - NJC Mercy Now received 4 1/2 stars from Sound and Vision. They compared her songwriting to John Prine and Steve Earle. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:50:13 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: why'd she stop? I think it's because Issey Miyake refuses to sell her anymore of his designs, and Bea Arthur's clothes have all been auctioned off on ebay :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:37:10 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: I love this list (NJC) Ashara wrote: > also included a surprise CD of Karine Polwart that I am truly loving. > I never would have even heard of her without this list! Not sure this is quite true - it was Ashara herself (I think I'm right in saying) who 'discovered' this lady - or at least was one of the first. I clearly remember her, at the Cambridge Folk Festival a few years ago, banging on about a band she had just seen playing on one of the smaller stages called 'Malinky' and how I had to go see them. After six years with Malinky, Karine has recently gone solo winning 'Best Album, 'Best Original Song' and the Horizon Award at this year's BBC Folk Awards. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/folkawards2005/gallery/1.shtml Asharashesura can pick 'em! best to all PaulC np The Weakerthans - One Great City! (I hate Winnipeg) right after one of my own on Manitoban (now living in London) Gail Comfort's great little internet radio show on spydaradio @ http://www.spydaradio.co.uk/comfort.html - her three hour show opens this month with a fab feature about The Band - (Acadian Driftwood into Shawn Colvin's version of Robbie Robertson's 'Twilight' makes a sublime segue) and Garth Hudson's/Sneaky Pete Kleinow's new band Burrito Deluxe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: why'd she stop? Very nasty, Jimmy. We're sending you to Shady Pines! Jerry FMYFL@aol.com said: > I think it's because Issey Miyake refuses to sell her anymore of his > designs, > and Bea Arthur's clothes have all been auctioned off on ebay :) > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:01:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: I love this list (NJC) I wrote: <<> also included a surprise CD of Karine Polwart that I am truly loving. > I never would have even heard of her without this list! >> And my dear Anglophile friend, Paul answered back: <> OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Paul, I *never* put 2 and 2 together!!! NO WONDER I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE (did I mention LOVE??) this CD!!!! Thank you for putting that together for me. Man o man, do I LOVE this singer AND Malinky!! Are they still together? Again, many thanks to John for gifting this to me! Hugs, Ashara, in musical heaven, and always glad to hear from my mates across the pond ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:07:18 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: why'd she stop? Ow! That's cold. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: Re: why'd she stop? > I think it's because Issey Miyake refuses to sell her anymore of his designs, > and Bea Arthur's clothes have all been auctioned off on ebay :) > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: curare.... :( NJC This all too frightening scenario brings to mind the great book "Johnny Got His Gun" by Dalton Trumbo. It may be an interesting read for people on both sides of this issue. Makes you wonder - what goes on in the minds of those that we say are closed off - are they closed off only to us? Still, I tend to believe that all the medical professionals - NOT the politicians - know better. I do not believe Terri is "mouthing" words - sheesh - what propaganda! I do not believe she is going to be rehabbed. And this doctor who is grandstanding right now saying that Terri can be rehabilitated is either god or believes he/she is - where has he/she been all this time - funny they haven't made an offer to help before. Also, noticed the past several days, numerous letters on the editorial pages, from disgruntled conservatives and republicans - who are not enjoying their party's role in this. And for all those who think its helping to put them in a better light - get your candles out - there's a storm headed your way! Although I fall more to the side of letting Terri go - I do understand the pain of the parents. The fact is none of us is god - and in these cases I would think we follow our doctors and our courts - which have been clear right across the board. I despise the hypocrites who say less government - more power to the states - and yet with them there is more and more intrusion and less power to the states and for that matter - power to the people. All peace and freedom to Terri. Peace, Susan Em wrote: thats some scary stuff.... you can have THOUGHTS!!!! and suffer, but you are paralyzed - even your breathing....but it doesn't stop your heart! that would be a worse fate... and like the little boy in "My Life As a Dog" always said, "you've got to compare." I hope to have one of those "never even knew what hit her" deaths... but not now. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:26:09 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: "Speechless"? Aha -- Thanks, Jim, for catching me up with this -- as it is, i have the CGR (with defective booklet, of course), so i do have the cut in question. But I'd never known til now that she'd ever temporarilytentatively called it speechless. Thanks for the lore! To my request to Jim to explain what he meant by Joni's "Speechless", Jim said: <> Thanks again, jim, and best to all, Walt Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > Yo Walt, > In the BBC's radio show "My Top 10", then again in the ROTR video, Joni > talked about a new piano track. At the time of the "My Top 10", she was > using french syllables in place of words but didn't have a story. She > played a 15 second preview of the wordless piano track which she called > "Speechless". > > In ROTR, she re-told the story of cutting the piano part with minimal > background, and called it "Speechless" again. Then she said she found a > story for it, and introduced "Two Grey Rooms". > > When the wordless version (with strings added I think) surfaced on THE > COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS, I started calling it "Speechless". The > track list says something like "Two Grey Rooms- demo". It's not a demo > because it doesn't have the story. It already has a name so I use > it. Every time I call it "Speechless", someone asks me what I mean. > It's okay with me; I get to re-tell some Joni lore. > > Jim > > > littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > > >Hey, Jim, i hope you don't mind my contacting you offlist, but I seem to be > having trouble receiving all my digests (or getting things posted to them) -- it > probably has to do with my changing my screen names -- anyway, you mentioned in > #129 something about... -- ah, here it is: > > > >< >daylight. >> > > > >What is this in reference to? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Walt > >Let the walls go tumbling down > >Falling on the ground > >And all the dogs go running free > >The wild and gentle dogs > >Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:54:37 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: [none] Smurf said: <> Obviously, you're kidding, although if someone were going to go at the bible without coming up with weird, backwards, f**ked-up interpretations of it, that'd be you, my small blue shmoopie! Good book, many, many bad interpreters; goes for the Qur'an, too. (Notice how my signature starts out sounding biblical, but then gets very Druid at the end! Yay, Joni!) best to all, Walt Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body, old guys - --- Randy Remote wrote: > 99% of the time the young women marry RICH old guys, > so I think there > is some other force at work....wait, it'll come to > me..... > > That's what I need! An old guy! but wait... I am old. Never mind... I need royalties! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:34:11 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: and if you play Big Yellow Taxi backwards it says: "enog sti lit tog evuoy tahw wonk tnod uoy, og ot mees syawla ti tnod" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:54 PM > Smurf said: > > < > Matthew 16:19 [the length of Paprika Plains] I will give you the keys to the kingdom > of heaven. > > - --Smurf, who is going to consult the bible about > everything from now on so he can try to figure out > this crazy world of ours-->> > > Obviously, you're kidding, although if someone were going to go at the bible without coming up with weird, backwards, f**ked-up interpretations of it, that'd be you, my small blue shmoopie! Good book, many, many bad interpreters; goes for the Qur'an, too. > > (Notice how my signature starts out sounding biblical, but then gets very Druid at the end! Yay, Joni!) > > best to all, > > Walt > Let the walls go tumbling down > Falling on the ground > And all the dogs go running free > The wild and gentle dogs > Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:57:17 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: NJC Re: dc joni fest? No! No! No! I really wish you could be here at that time. The guy who wrote the play sprung the date on me too. I was thinking he would do it later in the summer! Pooh! Sherelle Claudia wrote: How disappointing that I won9t be around ;-(((((((( Did you guys plan it that way, eh! Sensing a conspiracy... Claud9 Well, it's not exactly a FEST Bill, but I'm heading up to DC to catch Sherelle's show on Saturday night April 16, and will be hanging out with Lori and hopefully Ruth from Richmond too. I don't fly back until Monday AM, so Sunday all day is open - was hoping to put together some sort of mega-musical-brunch thing. This would be Sunday, April 17. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC, now 98.3% JC Lama wrote: I truly hope so, and if that's the case I would indeed be excited about buying it and cradling it in my bosom. You a gambling man, Lama? I'll betcha that the remix doesn't include anything significant you haven't already heard. Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Oh Candy" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:19:11 +0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Elvis Costello Elvis Costello chooses "The Last Time I Saw Richard' for his Starbucks Artist's Choice CD. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:52:31 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: fraudulent email looks like it's from PayPal Just a heads-up to everyone - if you receive an email that looks like it's from PayPal saying your account has been de-activated temporarily, it's a fraud. They send you to a web site and ask you for your credit card. (Very clever. The site looks JUST LIKE the PayPal site, but it's not) Beware... lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:49:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC, now 99.99999% JC I like that the "missing" passage is just in the lyrics sheet and not sung. It makes the whole thing interactive or multisensory (you hear the music and the sung words, you look at the pictures, you read the words and conjure up images in your head). You can read it to yourself while the orchestral interlude is playing. In a strange way, I think it helps you recognize that it's not just the words in the song, but the way of life, that is missing. NP Gemma Hayes: Today I ran for miles - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Lama wrote: > "missing" passage of text > too. Remember that? Maybe it's an extended version > of PP.> > > I truly hope so, and if that's the case I would > indeed be excited about buying it and cradling it in > my bosom. You a gambling man, Lama? I'll betcha that > the remix doesn't include anything significant you > haven't already heard. > > Bob > > NP: Cheap Trick, "Oh Candy" Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:52:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > And they'll see it as a sign from God if Terri > passes on Good Friday. > > Jerry And if she rises on the third day? (OOoooohhh, very sick, and I will burn in hell.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:00:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC burial, your body..a slightly tasteless look at trying to donate your body. - --- Lucy Hone wrote: > > Once you have been used up the rellies are all > called in to the hospital chapel for a rememberance > service for up to 30 of the cadavers that have done > their time. you can then get a jar of mixed ashes.. > I like that idea you end up being scattered with a > load of other people all over the place.... > Like mixed nuts, sort of? LOL! I loved that post, Lucy. Humourous and yet... so true - LOL! Yes, imagine being rejected as an experimental cadaver! That'd be as good an excuse for a haunting as any! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:03:50 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC I can't figure out why they don't let the other almost-dead person do Terri's last rites and then let him rest in peace. I'm writing of the Pope, of course. I don't mean any offense to those who hold him in high regard, but holy moley, why doesn't someone tell the the man it's time to step down already?? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:12:22 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC uh...because he's the pope? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Schiavo more NJC > I can't figure out why they don't let the other almost-dead person do > Terri's last rites and then let him rest in peace. > > I'm writing of the Pope, of course. I don't mean any offense to those > who hold him in high regard, but holy moley, why doesn't someone tell > the the man it's time to step down already?? > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:19:06 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: This is Why (njc ?) This is why Smurf is the guru of Literary Joni-our master of hermeneutics. He can find Joni references in texts both sacred and profane. He holds the key--yea, verily I say unto you, the Philosopher's stone to the Kindgom of Joni from the Pains of Paprika to the burning desert. You go, Smurf! Smurf said: <> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:31:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Schiavo more now the Pope NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > I can't figure out why they don't let the other > almost-dead person do > Terri's last rites and then let him rest in peace. > > I'm writing of the Pope, of course. I don't mean > any offense to those > who hold him in high regard, but holy moley, why > doesn't someone tell > the the man it's time to step down already?? > You would think he would make this decision without someone having to suggest it. It's not as if it isn't allowed (as far as I know anyway.) He has advanced Parkinsons disease and that is not a pretty way to go. He just had a tracheotomy for God's sake. Yes, I agree. He should quit and let someone else take over. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:37:48 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: This is Why (njc ?) I just noticed my Freudian typo, the Pains of Paprika which will hurt us in our respective pocketbooks. I'm going to light a candle to my love-luck and watch 18 bucks (And 98 cents, plus tax, title, and dealer prep) go up in smoke! _____ From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:19 PM To: Joni List Subject: This is Why (njc ?) This is why Smurf is the guru of Literary Joni-our master of hermeneutics. He can find Joni references in texts both sacred and profane. He holds the key--yea, verily I say unto you, the Philosopher's stone to the Kindgom of Joni from the Pains of Paprika to the burning desert. You go, Smurf! Smurf said: <> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #133 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)