From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 132 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Thalamus, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Won't Bruce and Ashton be upset? (njc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) ["McMillan Brad" ] RE: who is Terri Schiavo? (njc) ["hell" ] RE: Compilations ["hell" ] Re: Compilations ["McMillan Brad" ] Memories of Ashara NJC [mags h ] Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] why'd she stop? [Smurf ] Re: njc [Smurf ] Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% nJC [Smurf ] Re: brain stem, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Love or Money? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] majority in the minority NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Googlefight! Travelogue vs Both Sides Now [Bob Muller ] Re: who is Terri Schiavo? (njc) ["John T. Folden" > Yeah, but deep down, I'm just a Little Breen. :-) Speaking of "Little Me", have you ever read this book -- one of the funniest ever written, by Patrick Dennis, who wrote "Autie Mame"? It's a faux memoir of a silent screen idol who let absolutely nothing stand in her way on the road to fame and riches. It was cruelly out of print for forty years, but thank god, someone saw to it that it's back in print -- I'm sure it can be found on Amazon, or what have you. Dennis also wrote at least two other faux mnemoires, one of them the memoir of a ficticious First Lady "Martha Dinwiddie Butterfield", and the third entitled "Guestward Ho!" by "Barbara C. Hooton", presumably the memoir of a hotelier? Alas, as far as I know, the latter two have not (yet) been resurrected. I should ask our resident librarian: Jerry C., any knowledge as the possible reprinting of "First Lady" or "Guestward Ho!"? A much more recent (and less subtle, but equally hilarious) entry into the faux memoir genre is "A Lush Life" (not to be confused with the wonderful biog of Billy Strayhorn) -- damn, I cannot find it in this house ("You're house is as tumble-down as mine.../[readers] are a different breed "-- to paraphrase Jane Siberry). Jerry, again, do you know this book? -- it'll turn up eventually, unless it's still in the possession of one of my forgetful friends... hugs to all of little us, "Little" Walt Breen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:38:24 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Thalamus, njc Hi Ya'll, Here are some websites dealing with the thalamus and conscious experience for anybody who is interested and would like to see pictures, etc.: _http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~lka/conz3a.htm_ (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~lka/conz3a.htm) and _http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~lka/conz3a2.htm_ (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~lka/conz3a2.htm) As I told my students earlier, in my opinion, if Terri Schiavo is not given food and water, she should be given anesthesia as she passes away. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:02:33 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Won't Bruce and Ashton be upset? (njc) Randy Remote said: "Did you hear that Demi Moore is preggers? and that that old fart Paul McCartney is going to be a father again? What is up with that!!!" Jeez, now she's sneaking around behind *Ashton's* back??!! -- at least this one might possibly have some musical talent! Maybe she'll be all-inclusive and call the kid "Paul Ashton Bruce McCartney-Moore, Jr." Assume everyone knows I'm kidding... Love is all around (esp. around Demi), Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:06:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) Little Me, in its original printing, it a very valuable book and sought after by book aficionados everywhere. I have Uncle Mame : the life of Patrick Dennis and loved it. Sorry, I do not know A Lush Life. Though I have lived the life of a lush! Jerry > In a message dated 3/23/05 12:04:06 PM, bradmcmillan@earthlink.net writes: > > << Didn't you tell me you're about seven feet tall? >> > > Yeah, but deep down, I'm just a Little Breen. :-) > > Speaking of "Little Me", have you ever read this book -- one of the funniest > ever written, by Patrick Dennis, who wrote "Autie Mame"? It's a faux memoir > of a silent screen idol who let absolutely nothing stand in her way on the > road > to fame and riches. It was cruelly out of print for forty years, but thank > god, someone saw to it that it's back in print -- I'm sure it can be found on > Amazon, or what have you. > > Dennis also wrote at least two other faux mnemoires, one of them the memoir > of a ficticious First Lady "Martha Dinwiddie Butterfield", and the third > entitled "Guestward Ho!" by "Barbara C. Hooton", presumably the memoir of a > hotelier? Alas, as far as I know, the latter two have not (yet) been > resurrected. > I should ask our resident librarian: Jerry C., any knowledge as the possible > reprinting of "First Lady" or "Guestward Ho!"? > > A much more recent (and less subtle, but equally hilarious) entry into the > faux memoir genre is "A Lush Life" (not to be confused with the wonderful biog > of Billy Strayhorn) -- damn, I cannot find it in this house ("You're house is > as tumble-down as mine.../[readers] are a different breed "-- to paraphrase > Jane Siberry). Jerry, again, do you know this book? -- it'll turn up > eventually, > unless it's still in the possession of one of my forgetful friends... > > hugs to all of little us, > > "Little" Walt Breen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:25:36 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) I think I saw the movie "Auntie Mame", that was adapted from a musical of the same name. Guestward Ho rings a bell, but then I have a lot of unrelated knowledge rattling around up there upon which it can resonate. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) > In a message dated 3/23/05 12:04:06 PM, bradmcmillan@earthlink.net writes: > > << Didn't you tell me you're about seven feet tall? >> > > Yeah, but deep down, I'm just a Little Breen. :-) > > Speaking of "Little Me", have you ever read this book -- one of the funniest > ever written, by Patrick Dennis, who wrote "Autie Mame"? It's a faux memoir > of a silent screen idol who let absolutely nothing stand in her way on the road > to fame and riches. It was cruelly out of print for forty years, but thank > god, someone saw to it that it's back in print -- I'm sure it can be found on > Amazon, or what have you. > > Dennis also wrote at least two other faux mnemoires, one of them the memoir > of a ficticious First Lady "Martha Dinwiddie Butterfield", and the third > entitled "Guestward Ho!" by "Barbara C. Hooton", presumably the memoir of a > hotelier? Alas, as far as I know, the latter two have not (yet) been resurrected. > I should ask our resident librarian: Jerry C., any knowledge as the possible > reprinting of "First Lady" or "Guestward Ho!"? > > A much more recent (and less subtle, but equally hilarious) entry into the > faux memoir genre is "A Lush Life" (not to be confused with the wonderful biog > of Billy Strayhorn) -- damn, I cannot find it in this house ("You're house is > as tumble-down as mine.../[readers] are a different breed "-- to paraphrase > Jane Siberry). Jerry, again, do you know this book? -- it'll turn up eventually, > unless it's still in the possession of one of my forgetful friends... > > hugs to all of little us, > > "Little" Walt Breen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:29:37 -0500 From: Suzanne MarcAurele Subject: NJC - Schiavo Short and sweet - it's Frankenstein science s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:22:38 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: who is Terri Schiavo? (njc) Patrick wrote: > here's an interview with her husband, who may know who terri schiavo is... > > http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/20/Tampabay/Schiavo___Come_down__.shtml Thanks, Patrick. Personally, I side with Michael Schiavo on this one. I know her parents love her, and don't want to lose her, but what kind of existence is this? I'm no medical expert, but it doesn't seem like she can or will regain any kind of quality of life. And yes, it's all over the news in NZ too (unlike the Minnesota shooting, which was reported on TV once....) I remember several years ago (it might have been a 60 Minutes episode) hearing about a woman who was a tetraplegic, who was fighting for her own euthanasia. She was completely paralysed, and her eyes were the only part of her body that she had any control over, although her mind was intact and alert. She communicated by blinking, and told medical staff and her family (in no uncertain terms) that she wanted all life-support removed (breathing tubes, feeding tubes, etc). She was refused by medical staff etc., although her family supported her decision, and continued to "live" in a completely useless body, wasting away on a hospital bed, with no hope of rehabilitation. This was a woman with unimpaired brain function, begging to be released from pain. It's unfortunate that Terry Shiavo is unable to communicate her wishes first-hand. Coincidentally, I had a recent discussion with my mother on this very issue. She said she needs to make a living will, as she is adamant about not wanting to be kept alive "artificially" should anything happen to her. We also discussed funeral arrangements, etc. which sounds morbid, but it was helpful to have these discussions now, instead of second-guessing when the time comes. We are both registered as organ donors, and I don't want any part of me just "thrown away". If they don't want my organs, give me to the medical school for student's to practice surgery on - just don't throw me in a hole (what a waste of space)! If I was living in the US, I'd request my body be sent to the Body Farm... Incidentally, I read that that the likelihood of your organs being used should you die (if you are a donor), is about one in a thousand, if not more. So many factors need to be considered, it makes the odds very low - another reason for as many people as possible to sign up! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:28:02 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Compilations Jerry wrote: > And yet Joni expresses so much praise for Georgia O'Keefe, who worked > continually until she was 96. Ah yes, but Joni IS still painting ;o) She's always said she is a painter first and foremost, and that she got into music simply to pay the bills (and I suspect paying the bills will be no problem for a looooong time yet), so maybe this admiration is from Joni the painter, not Joni the recording artist. I also wonder how much the post-polio syndrome is playing a part in her not recording, etc.? Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:19:40 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Compilations not to mention 50 years of chain smoking.... Although, I kinda like that husky voice on BSN. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "hell" To: "Jerry Notaro" ; "Joni List" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Compilations > Jerry wrote: > > > And yet Joni expresses so much praise for Georgia O'Keefe, who worked > > continually until she was 96. > > Ah yes, but Joni IS still painting ;o) She's always said she is a painter > first and foremost, and that she got into music simply to pay the bills (and > I suspect paying the bills will be no problem for a looooong time yet), so > maybe this admiration is from Joni the painter, not Joni the recording > artist. > > I also wonder how much the post-polio syndrome is playing a part in her not > recording, etc.? > > > Hell > > _________________________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be great > audiences too" - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:30:34 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Memories of Ashara NJC Memories of Ashara...geeze that sounds like some exotic PC sauce ;-))) hmmmmmmm okay let's see now.. Ashara...Ashara.... yea, seems to me that I took a couple of weekend intensive courses in Topsfield Mass, under the guise of song and celebration of some Joni woman...anyway....one of the courses was a vegetarian gourmet course..".Ways with Tofu"...and the other was "Learn how to Recycle everything in ten easy lessons... OR ELSE!" ahem. mischievous Magsie, who knows that the JMDL and my life are enriched because of you Ash. xoxo Hugs, Ashara, the torrent addicted one P.S. I am wondering if many people will not even recognize me since it's been so long since I've posted a thing! it's never easy and it's never clear who's to navigate and who's to steer hard to say, the innocent age ~dan fogelberg~ Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:42:26 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) McMillan Brad wrote: > I think I saw the movie "Auntie Mame", that was adapted from a > musical of the same name. Guestward Ho rings a bell, but then I have > a lot of unrelated knowledge rattling around up there upon which it The musical and subsequent film were called 'Mame'. There is also an earlier film called 'Auntie Mame' that stars Rosalind Russell in the title role and is delightful. The film of the musical starred Lucille Ball and is a turkey if ever there was one. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:55:14 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) I think it was the Ros Russell film I saw. I was young enough for my mother to drag me to chick flicks. Can't say I remember it. But I LOVED My Fair Lady and The King and I. I guess she taught me to appreciate some things. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "McMillan Brad" ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Little Me and A Lush Life (njc) > McMillan Brad wrote: > > I think I saw the movie "Auntie Mame", that was adapted from a > > musical of the same name. Guestward Ho rings a bell, but then I have > > a lot of unrelated knowledge rattling around up there upon which it > > The musical and subsequent film were called 'Mame'. There is also an > earlier film called 'Auntie Mame' that stars Rosalind Russell in the > title role and is delightful. The film of the musical starred Lucille > Ball and is a turkey if ever there was one. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:01:21 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Prairie Songs, short Plan B: I'll buy the new one, then sell it on ebay. Honestly, once I have it, I'll keep... All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:21:01 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Wow, this is good news. One track at a time, she's giving us rarities. Somewhere Charlie Mingus is smiling. The pace has slowed but the work goes on. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050323/music_nm/music_mitchell_dc_2 Yeah, I'm a depressive, but today I'm thankful for the (expected) remix of Paprika Plains. If Deb Worthington was on the list today, she'd say, "Woo-hoo!" Plus, the new OtR is due (here) next week. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:51:03 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Wow, this is good news. One track at a time, she's giving us > rarities. Somewhere Charlie Mingus is smiling. The pace has slowed > but the work goes on. Before everybody gets their hopes up too much and not meaning to be a killjoy but I'm wondering if a 'remix' means an edited version. After all the original is 16:19 minutes long. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:03:28 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Except she mentioned it being fixed during the Symposium at McGill, after telling the oft-told out of tune piano story. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:51 PM To: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Wow, this is good news. One track at a time, she's giving us > rarities. Somewhere Charlie Mingus is smiling. The pace has slowed > but the work goes on. Before everybody gets their hopes up too much and not meaning to be a killjoy but I'm wondering if a 'remix' means an edited version. After all the original is 16:19 minutes long. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:07:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC Richard Flynn wrote: > Except she mentioned it being fixed during the Symposium at McGill, > after telling the oft-told out of tune piano story. Well I would certainly buy it just for that. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:46:11 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc he's a disturbed human being . . . playing both sides "For your information, while he was governor of Texas, Bush signed the Advanced Directives Act in 1999, which gives hospitals the right to remove life support in cases where there is no possibility of revival, when the family cannot pay, no matter what the family's wishes are in the matter. In Texas, you can only live in a persistent vegetative state if you are accepted in one of the few institutions that provide such care, or if your family is both willing and able to take care of you." _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:01:28 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: why'd she stop? Here are all the reasons I can think of that have been advanced over the past couple of years when the subject of Joni's departure from making new music/retirement comes up: 1) she wants to devote her creative energy to painting 2) she's unhappy with her voice 3) the music business is a cesspool 4) she's underappreciated 5) her reunion with her daughter has killed her music muse 6) post-polio syndrome makes making music uncomfortable If I had to choose one, I guess I'd say #7. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:24:06 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc - --- Marianne wrote: > he's a disturbed human being > > . . . playing both sides As Joni once said, "The best lack conviction Given some time to think And the worst are full of passion Without mercy" Oh, what the hell. Here's the whole damn Yeats poem (The Second Coming): Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? Happy Easter! - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:32:18 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% nJC - --- About "Paprika Plains," Mark wrote: > After all the original is 16:19 minutes long. > Whoa, dude. Check it out: Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. - --Smurf, who is going to consult the bible about everything from now on so he can try to figure out this crazy world of ours __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:55:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: brain stem, njc >I think you are in the vast medical minority with this opinion. The experts who have examined her and testified to all of the courts say she is totally unaware of who is around her.< I have not read the testimonies of the experts but I don't know how they can know with any certainty whether she is aware or not (which doesn't mean that she shouldn't be allowed to go peacefully)... a friend of mine who was in a coma (and came back to tell an amazing story) was totally cognizant of everything & everyone around her... but the people around her did not know that... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:29:03 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Love or Money? Someone else said, >I haven't joined in on this compilation discussion before, but I am starting to agree with some of you that Joni's compilation business seems lazy and motivated (and misguided) by greed - something I never thought I'd say about Joni Mitchell.> No way. Greed/need/want for recognition perhaps, but not for money. Does she enjoy earning big bucks? Yes, I would venture to say. But motivated by that, I don't think so. And anyway, Joni's making loads of money from songwriting and publishing royalties without compilations. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:30:53 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: majority in the minority NJC Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu (one of 10 straight men on the JMDL) Oh c'mon, honey, there are at least 11. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Googlefight! Travelogue vs Both Sides Now Well, FWIW Blue beats all comers in the Joni album Googlefight competition. I was so bored at work I composed my own March Madness brackets with all the titles. Is that sad or what? Bob NP: Donald Fagen, "Snowbound" (anyone heard the new Piano Jazz CD with Steely Dan & Marian McPartland?) Richard Flynn wrote: Travelogue emerges as the clear winner with 1,270,000 results vs BSN's measly 133,000 results http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Both+Sides+Now%22&w rd2=Travelogue Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Paprika Plains, the remix 100% JC, now 87% JC "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: I'll respectfully disagree with that. When Springsteen officially released 4 cd's worth of songs from the vault (the Tracks boxset), it was good news. A remix of PP isn't a rarity, it's a gimmick to sell a CD. I'd be surprised if any of us will be able to hear a difference (sensing that I'll regret saying THAT) Now if she had some outtakes or sessions that led up to PP, then my friend you gots some rarities & I'm the first in line to buy it. Bob NP: Living Colour, "Back In Black" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:59:31 -0500 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Re: Terry and HOPE NJC On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Hi Em... > > Yes..Terry can swallow and breathe on her own. She has even mouthed > words. I believe she has a G tube..but I'm not positive about that. > From what I have read Terri can reflexively swallow well enough to clear her mouth of saliva but previous tests indicate she has a high likelihood of choking to death on any food she might attempt to swallow. However, I have not read anything indicating she can willfully mouth words at all. I'm very curious where this was reported.... Thanks, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:02:46 -0500 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Re: who is Terri Schiavo? (njc) On Mar 23, 2005, at 2:33 PM, vince wrote: > Somewhere along the way I learned and cannot supply the source that > she was very concerned about body image and had eating disorders > picked up as she worked hard to lose/keep off weight - it was her > purging after every meal that was the cause, it is believed, of the > potassium shortage that caused the medical incident that left her > brain Yup, I've read this , as well, but I've read so many news reports over the last few days that they tend to blur into one another. :-/ > deprived of oxygen long enough to do the damage done - so there is an > irony that a woman who was starving herself... etc. Ouch... hadn't thought of that one... this story does have a bit of a stinger at the end, doesn't it? John ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #132 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)