From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #117 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 16 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 117 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC overpopulations ["David Henderson" ] HOMOSEXUAL HUMOR, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC Rosie and Broolyn ["David Henderson" ] Re: NJC overpopulations [Em ] Re: HOMOSEXUAL HUMOR, njc [Smurf ] Re: NJC Rosie and Broolyn [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC overpopulations - some more grunts and squeaks [Em ] RR HO Fame induction NJC [Em ] Re: R&R Hall of Fame induction NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: RR HO Fame induction NJC/ Randy! [Em ] Re: reproduction rights NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: RR HO Fame induction NJC/ Randy! [Randy Remote ] RE: reproduction rights NJC ["Ross, Les" ] Re: reproduction rights NJC [jrmco1@aol.com] R&R HOF cermony njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: reproduction rights NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: R&R HOF cermony njc [Randy Remote ] Re: reproduction rights NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: reproduction rights NJC [Lori Fye ] R&R HOF ceremony njc Buddy Guy comment [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: R&R HOF ceremony njc Buddy Guy comment [Em ] Re: reproduction rights NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: reproduction rights NJC [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: NJC overpopulations [Bob Muller ] Get that FUNK outta my face - NJC [Bob Muller ] NJC Re: R&R HOF cermony njc [Bob Muller ] Re: reproduction rights NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Batman and boners -- njc [Smurf ] Re: reproduction rights NJC [Michael Paz ] RE: NJC Rosie and Brooklyn ["David Henderson" ] Re: Batman and boners -- njc [Bob Muller ] RE: NJC overpopulations - some more grunts and squeaks ["David Henderson"] RE: NJC overpopulations ["David Henderson" ] RE: NJC overpopulations [Bob Muller ] Re: reproduction rights NJC [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: reproduction rights NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Newsweek thinks Joni's words are Rosie's [patti haskins Subject: NJC overpopulations >One of my really farfetched daydreams is that population of the entire >world would take one year off from reproducing. Just one year. >Imagine the impact. >Lori, >who thinks there are too many people, period. I wonder why more people don't think of life in terms of the greater landscape? Too few people will say 'I will not father a child' or 'I will not pollute the environment' or 'I will not vote for a warmongerer' because I'm willing to make a few personal sacrifices to help make the world a better place. I wonder if we humans were always so selfish and self-centered or if we have evolved into this state of excessive individuality? David NP Green Day, Boulevard of Broken Dreams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:32:50 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: HOMOSEXUAL HUMOR, njc > > > > > Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men > > > > holding guns than holding hands? ~ Ernest Gaines > > That kind of says it all, doesn't it? We are neanderthals in Nike. > The rest were good, too. > That was my favorite quote too. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:08:38 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: NJC Rosie and Broolyn JERRY SAID: >I've been following her blog, which is pretty hard to find, so we can't >accuse her of self promotion. But I also am worried about her state. She is >getting into a lot of name calling and conflict in her blog, especially with >Boy George over the failure of Taboo. What's the address for Rosie's blog? I was peripherally involved in Taboo. My ad agency account team was the same account team for Taboo, and most people would never even conceive of what a horror it was for them to work with Rosie. She is really an over-the-top egomaniac - in a totally serious and not at all funny way - very sad and very frightening. Oh, the stories I have heard. You wouldn't believe some of them because they are so far off the map of normalcy. Of course, Boy George is just as egomaniacal as Rosie and can be equally mean-spirited, so they were destined to conflict. I saw Taboo four times; it had one of the best groups of leads I have ever seen in a show, and I loved that whole very dark, British atmosphere. And I was surprised what a good songwriter Boy George has become. But what a terrible mess and all of those wasted millions! But the backstage story is going to be one hell of a fabulous book or movie (or musical?) one day. Speaking of bad musicals, I didn't say Brooklyn was a great musical. I think I said it was dreadfully stupid. I think a fourth grader could have written a less clichid book, and oh, those lyrics, some of them made me cringe. But I did really feel the genuine enthusiasm and love of performance of that wonderful young company, and I got all sucked-up in the sentimentality of the show. Their logo is perfect because that show does have a giant heart, and I am not the only one who feels that way. All three times I saw the show, the audience jumped to their feet with incredible glee in a day and age when standing ovations are an endangered species. And I love several of the songs, including the four on their site - lite, mushy pop ditties that they are. I'm a sucker for a good tearjerker. I know a lot of traditionalist hate the presentational style of Brooklyn, but I actually don't mind that. I loved Rocky Horror, and that was very presentational. I love Stephen Sondheim. He's my favorite writer - tied with Joni, of course - but I saw Pacific Overtures the same week as I saw Brooklyn the first time. As beautifully written as that show is (one of my favorite cast albums - Chrysanthemum (sp?) Tea, one of my all-time favorite theatre songs), now that production was a real travesty - a cold, heartless field of ice with not one stand-out performance, imho. David NP Brooklyn, Once Upon A Time ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC overpopulations Hi David, I see what you're saying, but is it really individualism that's the prob? I have to continue to uphold individualism as a virtue - - in responsible people. I don't think one trait negates the other. Me vs. We - certainly there is a balance to be struck. Still not sure individuality, per se, is the culprit. thanks tho, for giving me something to strain my small brain this a.m. It can use the excercise. :) Em - --- David Henderson wrote: > > I wonder why more people don't think of life in terms of the greater > landscape? Too few people will say 'I will not father a child' or 'I > will > not pollute the environment' or 'I will not vote for a warmongerer' > because > I'm willing to make a few personal sacrifices to help make the world > a > better place. I wonder if we humans were always so selfish and > self-centered or if we have evolved into this state of excessive > individuality? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: HOMOSEXUAL HUMOR, njc - --- Laurent quoted: > > > > > > Why is it that, as a culture, we are more > comfortable seeing two > men > > > > > holding guns than holding hands? ~ Ernest > Gaines > > This reminds me of that saying about the American movies' rating system (that I know I am misquoting, but it goes something like), "Caress a breast and you get an R rating; shoot a breast and you get GP." - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:36:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Rosie and Broolyn > What's the address for Rosie's blog? http://onceadored.blogspot.com/ I was peripherally involved in Taboo. > > Speaking of bad musicals, I didn't say Brooklyn was a great musical. I > think I said it was dreadfully stupid. Hmmmmmmm. Hardly an endorsement to see a show three times :) Of course we need to mention the Rosie connection to Brooklyn is John McMahon. I think a fourth grader could have > written a less clichid book, A really, really illiterate fourth grader. and oh, those lyrics, some of them made me > cringe. You should have seen me squirming. But I did really feel the genuine enthusiasm and love of > performance of that wonderful young company, and I got all sucked-up in the > sentimentality of the show. Their logo is perfect because that show does > have a giant heart, and I am not the only one who feels that way. All three > times I saw the show, the audience jumped to their feet with incredible glee > in a day and age when standing ovations are an endangered species. Never an indication of show quality. Though the audience I saw it with was cheering. They stood when I saw it, also. I felt I was watching American Idol. And I > love several of the songs, including the four on their site - lite, mushy > pop ditties that they are. And 4th rate songs, they are. I'm a sucker for a good tearjerker. But I have to care about the situation and believe to be moved. Like with The Miracle Worker, or Children of a Lesser God. I cried at Brooklyn, but because it wasn't over soon enough. I know a > lot of traditionalist hate the presentational style of Brooklyn, but I > actually don't mind that. I loved Rocky Horror, and that was very > presentational. As I loved it. It was a true delight. I love Stephen Sondheim. I can't believe you'd mention his name as the same message about Brooklyn! I just can't stomach another jukebox musical where the star is the sound engineer. Of course I'll have to make an exception with All Shook Up as Cheyenne Jackson will marry me soon. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:16:09 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC overpopulations - some more grunts and squeaks just saw that part of the dictionary def. for individualism does say " the doctrine that the interests of the individual should take precedence over the interests of the state or social group". I guess I'd like to think that most individuals would realize that heeding the interests and needs of the social group (i.e. the world) would infact be in their own interest, in the long run. But I guess if a person is thinking day to day, short term, like an existentialist, then I'm not sure where responsibility would enter the picture. Is there a simple way to explain this? Obviously I'm looking at this from a sophomoric perspective in some ways, although I have pretty much life experience by now. Can anyone nail this? do individualism and responsibility preclude each other? I say, nah..... lol Em - --- Em wrote: > Hi David, I see what you're saying, but is it really individualism > that's the prob? I have to continue to uphold individualism as a > virtue > - in responsible people. I don't think one trait negates the other. > Me > vs. We - certainly there is a balance to be struck. > Still not sure individuality, per se, is the culprit. > thanks tho, for giving me something to strain my small brain this > a.m. > It can use the excercise. > :) > Em > > --- David Henderson wrote: > > > > I wonder why more people don't think of life in terms of the > greater > > landscape? Too few people will say 'I will not father a child' or > 'I > > will > > not pollute the environment' or 'I will not vote for a warmongerer' > > because > > I'm willing to make a few personal sacrifices to help make the > world > > a > > better place. I wonder if we humans were always so selfish and > > self-centered or if we have evolved into this state of excessive > > individuality? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:35:35 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: R&R Hall of Fame induction NJC anybody know when the latest induction will be aired on da tube? just read a news clip about it... U2, Percy Sledge, The O'Jays and more... anybody know where its possible to get tapes (or DVD's) of past ones? I would give a tooth (preferably a wisdom tooth that needs out anyway) to have the one with John Fogerty. thx! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RR HO Fame induction NJC "The ceremony will air on VH-1 on Saturday, March 19. Check your local listings for times." answered my own question! :) em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:47:02 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame induction NJC <> can someone shed some light on the mystery of why *justin timberlake* was chosen to induct the o'jays??? is there some sort of connection i'm unaware of? does justin timberlake have musical chops that he's been hiding under a bushel basket? is this a sign of the coming apocalypse? cindy, thankful that ashlee simpson didn't induct anyone! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:09:03 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame induction NJC It is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that the inductees have a hand in who introduces them - and as for Justin Timberlake, I have no idea what his O'Jay connection is but his last album was a very fine piece of music, excellent R&B. If I recall correctly, it was nominated for album of the year last year and may have won something else along the way. I think he is tremendously talented. Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- > <> > > can someone shed some light on the mystery of why *justin > timberlake* was chosen to induct the o'jays??? > is there some sort of connection i'm unaware of? does justin > timberlake have musical chops that he's been hiding under a > bushel basket? is this a sign of the coming apocalypse? > > cindy, thankful that ashlee simpson didn't induct anyone! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:19:24 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: RR HO Fame induction NJC At 9 pm EST, and they are running it twice in a row. And Em, about your subject line...... RR Em wrote: > "The ceremony will air on VH-1 on Saturday, March 19. Check your local > listings for times." > answered my own question! > :) > em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: RR HO Fame induction NJC/ Randy! lol!!! sorry! did that stick in your throat a bit? didn't mean to call you a HO... :P Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > At 9 pm EST, and they are running it twice in a row. And Em, > about your subject line...... > RR > > Em wrote: > > > "The ceremony will air on VH-1 on Saturday, March 19. Check your > local > > listings for times." > > answered my own question! > > :) > > em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:29:15 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC > What's gonna happen is that one day a colossal meteor is going to hit > this blue planet and end all our people population worries. How funny. I was wishing for this just this morning. Lori, in a funk lately ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:36:03 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: RR HO Fame induction NJC/ Randy! Honey, I been called worse! Nice to think that if I was, I would get an award, though.... Em wrote: > lol!!! sorry! did that stick in your throat a bit? > didn't mean to call you a HO... > :P > Em > > --- Randy Remote wrote: > > > At 9 pm EST, and they are running it twice in a row. And Em, > > about your subject line...... > > RR > > > > Em wrote: > > > > > "The ceremony will air on VH-1 on Saturday, March 19. Check your > > local > > > listings for times." > > > answered my own question! > > > :) > > > em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:35:42 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC Only if the blast kills Republicans!!! Steve, in a funk about Republicans and thinking Schwarzenegger is a dumbf**k... >>> Lori Fye 3/15/2005 11:29:15 AM >>> > What's gonna happen is that one day a colossal meteor is going to hit > this blue planet and end all our people population worries. How funny. I was wishing for this just this morning. Lori, in a funk lately ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:36:48 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: reproduction rights NJC Aren't you guys up to speed on this supervolcano bubbling away up in yellowstone we've been watching 'informative' documentaries about here in the UK. If that baby blows we are all checking out one way or the other. If the ash don't get ya, the fluorine and sulphuric acid or three year winter will get ya. Man it's great to be reminded of our mortality and the precarious nature of our tenure hereabouts. Sigh Les (london) - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fye [mailto:lrfye58@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2005 17:29 To: jrmco1@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC > What's gonna happen is that one day a colossal meteor is going to hit > this blue planet and end all our people population worries. How funny. I was wishing for this just this morning. Lori, in a funk lately ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:02:45 -0500 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC Dem's just jokes, my dear friend. Snap out of it, okay? We all love you like a rock, Lori, right gang? Here, how about this for a happier ending: We're all going to live forever, then melt into the Sun... Hey, it could happen... - -Julius, laughing it all away > What's gonna happen is that one day a colossal meteor is going to hit > this blue planet and end all our people population worries. How funny. I was wishing for this just this morning. Lori, in a funk lately ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:30:37 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: R&R HOF cermony njc from today's Chicago Tribune U2 Headlines 2005 Rock Hall of Fame By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY AP Music Writer Published March 15, 2005, 10:56 AM CST NEW YORK -- Minutes after being officially bumped up to legendary status after a raucous, sentimental induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, U2 headed to the media room to answer questions about their momentous honor. But perhaps only a rock band fronted by Bono would first be asked about everything but music. "Bono! ... What about the Nobel Peace Prize?" one reporter called out, asking whether his mission to eradicate third-world debt would get him the honor. "Rock star is already having the cream of the cake," Bono replied. Another wondered whether he would assume the presidency of the World Bank, as the latest Bono-leading-the-free-world rumor would suggest. Over U2's 30-year journey from the streets of Dublin, Ireland, to becoming the world's most important rock band, there have been times when Bono's charisma, his charitable efforts -- and now a fashion line -- have eclipsed his collaborators and lifelong friends: guitarist The Edge, bassist Adam Clayton and drummer Larry Mullen Jr. But on Monday evening, their rock peers recognized the collaborative achievements of perhaps the most groundbreaking rock group in the past two decades. "Uno, dos, tres, catorce," said Bruce Springsteen, quoting the Spanish countdown in U2's recent hit, "Vertigo," as he inducted the band into the rock hall with a loving, humorous tribute. "The translation is one, two, three, fourteen. That is the correct math for rock 'n' roll. The whole had better equal a lot more than the sum of its parts -- or else you're just rubbing two sticks together." On a night when The Pretenders, The O'Jays, Percy Sledge and blues legend Buddy Guy received keys to rock's exclusive club, U2 was clearly the star attraction. "They are the keepers of some of the most beautiful sonic orchestration in rock and roll," Springsteen said. After U2 performed some of their biggest hits, everyone, from Catherine Zeta-Jones to grizzled industry folk, jumped out of their seats to cheer them on. Highlights of the induction ceremony will air Saturday on VH1. Hall of fame members are permanently enshrined in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. Musicians, industry professionals and journalists vote on the inductees. U2's induction was hardly the evening's only highlight. The O'Jays are best known for their work with Philadelphia soul producers Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, but the gospel-styled singers are actually from Canton, Ohio. Their hits include "Back Stabbers," "Love Train" and "For the Love of Money." After film clips showed them in wild tuxedos during the 1970s, the quartet wore simple black suits to perform a medley including each of those songs. They were inducted by Justin Timberlake. "Anyone who's ever written, produced or performed something soulful stands in the shadows of these giants," he said. If nothing else, Sledge's voice has been the backdrop to countless romantic encounters. The Southern soul singer is best known for "When a Man Loves a Woman." Rod Stewart called it "one of the best performances I've ever heard and I'm sure you've ever heard." The Pretenders came from the same rock generation as U2. Ohio native Chrissie Hynde was a tough but tender role model for women, singing "Brass in Pocket," "Precious" and "Back on the Chain Gang." The band formed after Hynde moved to London to be part of the city's fertile music scene. She's soldiered on, with drummer Martin Chambers, after guitarists James Honeyman-Scott and Pete Farndon died as drug casualties. "They went through all the heartache that rock 'n' roll is built on -- they lost two band members and they never gave up," said Neil Young, who inducted the band and sat in for a ferocious performance of "My City Was Gone." Hynde told the audience she knows The Pretenders have sounded like a tribute band for the past 20 years. "We are a tribute band," she said. "We're paying tribute to James Honeyman-Scott and Pete Farndon, without whom we would not have been here." Celebrating the 50th anniversary of rock 'n' roll, the hall -- also celebrating its 20th induction dinner -- brought Bo Diddley in to perform the Bo Diddley beat with fellow guitarists Eric Clapton and Robbie Robertson. Now a stooped old man, Jerry Lee Lewis moved slowly to the stage to perform "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On." But he still managed to kick over his stool and sit on the piano keys. Guy dominated the Chicago blues guitar scene, and he was ushered into the hall by Clapton and B.B. King. Later, both joined Guy onstage for a rollicking rendition of "Let Me Love You Baby." Backstage, Guy noted: "My mother told me before she died ... if you've got any flowers, give 'em to me now, so I can smell 'em. So y'all give this to me tonight, I can smell this, man!" The dinner offered a clash of celebrity cultures: Mariah Carey breezed in, offering a brief kiss to ex-husband Tommy Mottola. Richard Gere shared a laugh with King. The Edge checked his Blackberry during The O'Jays' performance. Frank Barsalona, credited with creating the first big rock 'n' roll booking agency, and Sire Records founder Seymour Stein were inducted in the nonperformer category. - -- http://www.southsiders.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:37:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC > Here, how about this for a happier ending: We're all going to live > forever, then melt into the Sun... > > Hey, it could happen... > > -Julius, > laughing it all away As long as we're fantasizing: Aliens shoot the planet with a "love ray" that simultaneously sterilizes all the males, and causes everyone to fuck in the streets. RR, famous ho > Dem's just jokes, my dear friend. Snap out of it, okay? We all love > you like a rock, Lori, right gang? There's something we can all agree on! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:46:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R&R HOF cermony njc vince wrote: > After U2 performed some of their biggest hits, everyone, from Catherine Zeta-Jones to grizzled industry folk, jumped out of their seats to cheer them on. Catty National Enquirer comment: I thought Catherine Zeta-Jones WAS grizzled industry folk. Kidding Cath, I would lick your toes anytime. > "They went through all the heartache that rock 'n' roll is built on -- they lost two band members and they never gave up," said Neil Young, who inducted the band and sat in for a ferocious performance of "My City Was Gone." Yeah! Now there's something to live for ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:07:21 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC <> so it'd be like jonifest, but without the consequences in the late spring? where do i sign up?! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC OMG, ya'll are in fine form today! thanks for brightening my Tuesday. ;) Em - --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: > < Aliens shoot the planet with a "love ray" that simultaneously > sterilizes > all the males, and causes everyone to fuck in the streets. > RR, > famous ho>> > > so it'd be like jonifest, but without the consequences in the > late spring? > where do i sign up?! > > cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:19:56 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC >> As long as we're fantasizing: >> Aliens shoot the planet with a "love ray" that simultaneously >> sterilizes all the males, and causes everyone to fuck in the streets. >> RR, >> famous ho > so it'd be like jonifest, but without the consequences in the > late spring? > where do i sign up?! Did I miss something at JoniFest??????? Apparently I did. Lori, always running behind ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:02:07 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: R&R HOF ceremony njc Buddy Guy comment last year I was all in tears when George Harrison was inducted this year as a native Chicagoan, where I learned the blues, this was the best news for me (by the way, I have always liked U2 but is anyone besides me getting sick of them being deified?) Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- > from today's Chicago Tribune > > On a night when blues legend Buddy Guy received keys to rock's exclusive club Guy dominated the Chicago blues guitar scene, and he was ushered into the hall by Clapton and B.B. King. Later, both joined Guy onstage for a rollicking rendition of "Let Me Love You Baby." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: R&R HOF ceremony njc Buddy Guy comment - --- vince wrote: > > (by the way, I have always liked U2 but is anyone besides me getting > sick of them being deified?) I've been sick of that aspect of them since day one. Never did get it, although from time to time I have also liked their stuff. "ZOO" is one of my fave albums. Em ps happy for Buddy Guy also - can't wait to see the show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:53:52 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC > so it'd be like jonifest, but without the consequences in the > late spring? > where do i sign up?! Did I miss something at JoniFest??????? Apparently I did. Lori, always running behind DB: I must have missed it too Lori, apparently somebody was gettin some, but it wasn't me! db (still not gettin any) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:07:34 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC Before any of these reputed "consequences" happen I do so hope people are checking the actuarial tables to prevent old people from having "consequences" :-) - -------------- Original message -------------- > > so it'd be like jonifest, but without the consequences in the > > late spring? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC overpopulations I get the jist of what you're saying David, but I have to say that fathering a child is the single greatest joy I've ever known. And the world IS a better place with my son in it so it's the BEST of both worlds. Bob (but I do OK on the pollution & warmongering-voting front) NP: Sam Cooke, "Get Yourself Another Fool" David Henderson wrote: I wonder why more people don't think of life in terms of the greater landscape? Too few people will say 'I will not father a child' or 'I will not pollute the environment' or 'I will not vote for a warmongerer' because I'm willing to make a few personal sacrifices to help make the world a better place. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Get that FUNK outta my face - NJC jrmco1@aol.com wrote: Right on, and I'm getting psyched to see her in about a month - Whoo-Hoo! Lori, I promise you I won't use the "J" word and you promise me you'll bust out of that funk, OK? Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "Deep Space" (I had forgotten about this song, it's amazingly beautiful. ) Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: R&R HOF cermony njc Randy Remote wrote: Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC vince wrote: > Before any of these reputed "consequences" happen I do so hope > people > are checking the actuarial tables to prevent old people from having > "consequences" Don't worry. We of the radical Christian right will take care of that at the same time we're bombing the abortion clinics. Don't ask me what kind of sense that makes. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Batman and boners -- njc http://www.redshirt.co.uk/media/batman/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:00:35 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! A 44YO Black male with "no child to raise" MUST be GAY!!!!, or negligent of a whole slew of chrirren in every port, or simply in denial! Paz P.S. Of course if you are not GAY!!, maybe you could head over to Germany and help out those Natal clinics!!!!! NP-I Will Find the Way-Pat Metheny > Ha! Dream on, Lori. The very idea makes me want to "get busy" the > very first chance I get. Well, that and the crack of Dawn. My sense is > that I'd last about as long as Kramer did in that Seinfeld episode > where they bet on who could go longest without, well, you know... > > But hey, wait a second. I'm a 44-year-old single Black male with no > child to raise! Johnny, tell him what he's won! It's a new car!!!!! > > But seriously, you guys, look at Germany. I saw on 60 Minutes that the > their baby census is plummeting and that hospital neonatal wards are > closing left and right. The Germans are calling out non-child having > couples for being "selfish" in that they're choosing Mercedes over kids > on the basis of economics alone. Jobs are few and far between for many > of child-bearing age...and hard to come by if you're displaced. > > What's gonna happen is that one day a colossal meteor is going to hit > this blue planet and end all our people population worries. Of course, > the rats and cockroaches will endure, but what more are we? > > -Julius > >> One of my really farfetched daydreams is that population of the entire >> world would take one year off from reproducing. Just one year. >> Imagine the impact. > >> Lori, >> who thinks there are too many people, period. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:02:48 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: NJC Rosie and Brooklyn LOLOLOLOLOL Jerry, you do make me laugh even when you are trashing my show! I declare the Brooklyn discussion over. ;) I really do love Sondheim; he and Joni, the absolute best. However, I was really, really disappointed in Pacific Overtures even though I've loved the CD for years (one of those shows I loved but had never seen). I did like Assassins though. Have you heard there's talk of Roundabout bringing over a British, mini-Sweeney Todd with only 12 actors, some of whom also play instruments, or something like that? JERRY SAID: "Of course I'll have to make an exception with All Shook Up as Cheyenne Jackson will marry me soon." What a puzzlement? Half of the men in NY also think they are marrying Cheyenne Jackson . . . hmmm. ;) David NP "Raven" from Brooklyn (for Jerry) . . . okay, really, that's the last time I will mention it! >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:36 AM >>>To: David Henderson; Joni List >>>Subject: Re: NJC Rosie and Broolyn >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> What's the address for Rosie's blog? >>> >>>http://onceadored.blogspot.com/ >>> >>>I was peripherally involved in Taboo. >>>> >>>> Speaking of bad musicals, I didn't say Brooklyn was a great musical. I >>>> think I said it was dreadfully stupid. >>> >>>Hmmmmmmm. Hardly an endorsement to see a show three times :) Of course we >>>need to mention the Rosie connection to Brooklyn is John McMahon. >>> >>> I think a fourth grader could have >>>> written a less clichid book, >>> >>>A really, really illiterate fourth grader. >>> >>>and oh, those lyrics, some of them made me >>>> cringe. >>> >>>You should have seen me squirming. >>> >>> But I did really feel the genuine enthusiasm and love of >>>> performance of that wonderful young company, and I got all >>>sucked-up in the >>>> sentimentality of the show. Their logo is perfect because >>>that show does >>>> have a giant heart, and I am not the only one who feels that >>>way. All three >>>> times I saw the show, the audience jumped to their feet with >>>incredible glee >>>> in a day and age when standing ovations are an endangered species. >>> >>>Never an indication of show quality. Though the audience I saw >>>it with was >>>cheering. They stood when I saw it, also. I felt I was watching American >>>Idol. >>> >>>And I >>>> love several of the songs, including the four on their site - >>>lite, mushy >>>> pop ditties that they are. >>> >>>And 4th rate songs, they are. >>> >>> I'm a sucker for a good tearjerker. >>> >>>But I have to care about the situation and believe to be moved. Like with >>>The Miracle Worker, or Children of a Lesser God. I cried at Brooklyn, but >>>because it wasn't over soon enough. >>> >>>I know a >>>> lot of traditionalist hate the presentational style of Brooklyn, but I >>>> actually don't mind that. I loved Rocky Horror, and that was very >>>> presentational. >>> >>>As I loved it. It was a true delight. >>> >>> I love Stephen Sondheim. >>> >>>I can't believe you'd mention his name as the same message about >>>Brooklyn! I >>>just can't stomach another jukebox musical where the star is the sound >>>engineer. Of course I'll have to make an exception with All Shook Up as >>>Cheyenne Jackson will marry me soon. >>> >>>Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Batman and boners -- njc Awesome, Smurf - tatas yesterday, boners today. Can't wait til tomorrow. Bob NP: Nilsson, "Everybody's Talkin'" (which puts me in the mind of our favorite movie. Last month's VF has a long article about Midnight Cowboy - if you haven't seen it, lemme know & I'll send you a copy.) Smurf wrote: http://www.redshirt.co.uk/media/batman/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:09:28 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: NJC overpopulations - some more grunts and squeaks Now, that is a really good question, Em. Can a person who practices strict individualism be a responsible citizen? Can an existentialist? My gut says no, but this stuff is a little over my head. I'd love to hear what others think. David >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Em [mailto:emzdogz@yahoo.com] >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:16 AM >>>To: Em; David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: NJC overpopulations - some more grunts and squeaks >>> >>> >>>just saw that part of the dictionary def. for individualism does say " >>>the doctrine that the interests of the individual should take >>>precedence over the interests of the state or social group". I guess >>>I'd like to think that most individuals would realize that heeding the >>>interests and needs of the social group (i.e. the world) would infact >>>be in their own interest, in the long run. >>>But I guess if a person is thinking day to day, short term, like an >>>existentialist, then I'm not sure where responsibility would enter the >>>picture. >>>Is there a simple way to explain this? >>>Obviously I'm looking at this from a sophomoric perspective in some >>>ways, although I have pretty much life experience by now. >>>Can anyone nail this? do individualism and responsibility preclude each >>>other? >>>I say, nah..... >>>lol >>>Em >>> >>>--- Em wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, I see what you're saying, but is it really individualism >>>> that's the prob? I have to continue to uphold individualism as a >>>> virtue >>>> - in responsible people. I don't think one trait negates the other. >>>> Me >>>> vs. We - certainly there is a balance to be struck. >>>> Still not sure individuality, per se, is the culprit. >>>> thanks tho, for giving me something to strain my small brain this >>>> a.m. >>>> It can use the excercise. >>>> :) >>>> Em >>>> >>>> --- David Henderson wrote: >>>> >>>> > > I wonder why more people don't think of life in terms of the >>>> greater >>>> > landscape? Too few people will say 'I will not father a child' or >>>> 'I >>>> > will >>>> > not pollute the environment' or 'I will not vote for a warmongerer' >>>> > because >>>> > I'm willing to make a few personal sacrifices to help make the >>>> world >>>> > a >>>> > better place. I wonder if we humans were always so selfish and >>>> > self-centered or if we have evolved into this state of excessive >>>> > individuality? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:14:03 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: NJC overpopulations I hope you know that I wouldn't deny anyone the right to choose to have a child, and I certainly don't think we should regret anyone who exists, including you and your son. I guess I just wish that going forward people in general would give more serious thought to the choices they have. I know this is a touchy subject. I'm only thinking out loud, not judging. Best, David NP American Idol -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:30 PM To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List Subject: Re: NJC overpopulations I get the jist of what you're saying David, but I have to say that fathering a child is the single greatest joy I've ever known. And the world IS a better place with my son in it so it's the BEST of both worlds. Bob (but I do OK on the pollution & warmongering-voting front) NP: Sam Cooke, "Get Yourself Another Fool" David Henderson wrote: I wonder why more people don't think of life in terms of the greater landscape? Too few people will say 'I will not father a child' or 'I will not pollute the environment' or 'I will not vote for a warmongerer' because I'm willing to make a few personal sacrifices to help make the world a better place. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:24:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: NJC overpopulations David Henderson wrote: Sure, I realize that David...but the way you lumped it with such horrors as polluting and Bush-voting forced me to respond! Besides, between my siblings and my wife's, there were 6 of us and we've had a total of 5 kids so that's pretty responsible (although it was more the way things played out than any kind of responsibility). Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Step Right Up" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:39:22 -0500 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC Geez, if I were gay, I'd be the luckiest guy in the world, since the JMDL seems to be "Where the [hot] Boys Are" (addressee excluded, of course). And just so you know, I'm still open to persuasion. ;-) Re: Germany. Been there, done that. And all I have to show for it is a sore helmut and this lousy swastika armband. But, no worries, I hear it stands for "peace." Maybe I'm just shooting blanks... - -Julius, Still waiting to be picked by *some* team - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz To: Julius Mills ; lrfye58@gmail.com; Joni Digest Sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:00:35 -0600 Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! A 44YO Black male with "no child to raise" MUST be GAY!!!!, or negligent of a whole slew of chrirren in every port, or simply in denial! Paz P.S. Of course if you are not GAY!!, maybe you could head over to Germany and help out those Natal clinics!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:56 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: reproduction rights NJC Julius, my secret squeeze writes: > Geez, if I were gay, I'd be the luckiest guy in the world, since the > JMDL seems to be "Where the [hot] Boys Are" (addressee excluded, of > course). And just so you know, I'm still open to persuasion. ;-) > We may not be the hottest, but we have the best taste in music.......along with the entire JMDL. Bring me another bottle of Veuve Cliquot, and we'll pursuade you ;) Just don't borrow one of Paz's halter tops!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:51:33 -0600 From: patti haskins Subject: Newsweek thinks Joni's words are Rosie's **http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7168821/site/newsweek/ (half way down the web page, in print its the bottom of page 69, March 21 issue)** ** Watch Out, Wallace Stevens** Celeb turned blogopoet **Rosie O'Donnell** is writing Formerlyrosie ("The unedited rantings of a fat 42-year-old menopausal ex-talk show host...") on Rosie.com. Some excerpts: * **ON KIRSTIE ALLEY: **she is chatting with larry she still giggles like a skinny girl someone should tell her fat gals can't pull it off.. * **ON MELISSA ETHERIDGE: **missy e screaming janis with sparkling eyes rocking the house bald and beautiful * **ON HAS-BEEN-NESS: **Once I was blessed ... awaited like the rain / Like eyes for the blind, like feet for the lame / Kings heard my words ... / But now the janitors of Shadowland flick their brooms at me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:40:19 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: RE: NJC overpopulations Many things in life do not go according to plan. I certainy wish everyone were responsible in all things but nothing in life is foolproof. Contraception may fail, this, that, the other thing may occur - such is life. And human wisdom is so very fallible. If all of life were dependent on human beings making "responsible" choices I think things would be even more fucked up than they are. Human wisdom fails so often. I am adamently pro choice and have counseled with women who have made a decision to have medical procedures to terminate a pregnancy. And I have baptized children who were born after a medical test revealed that as a fetus they were in the healthy state, knowing that had the result been other, I would have driven the women who became mothers to the clinic for the abortion. I know plenty of couples where contraception failed and the decision was made not to abort a healthy fetus. My oldest granson was born to a woman who became pregnant when she was 15. Every responsible voice would say she should have aborted that pregnacy but she did not. I would never encourage women to wantonly fuck around either just so I or others can be grandparents. It was not my call, and whatever she (my grandsons' mother) would have decided would have been her decision. Judge not really means that - judge not. As angry as I get at straight people who judge gays and lesbians, I get evern angrier at gays and lesbians who judge straight people because those who have been victims of judgment should certainly know better. Those who are "out" of the reproductive cycle should remember that "judge not" applies to them as well. Does that make me judgemental? Certainly it does. But if there is judgment being cast down, I try always to take the side of the one being judged. I am well old enough to have been at the original earth day and signed on to ZPG. That I only have two children is not the working of anythig else but random chance. The factors that went into that were variable based on my former wife and myself, including what turned out to be bioogical and medical factors over which we had no control. The same is true for people I know with five, six kids, who never wanted more than one or two. When contraception fails, who says to these people they cannot have sexual relations or must continually abort because someone else has a theoretical position on populatin growth? Unless the decision is one's own, by what standard can we conclude that others are responsible or irresponsible? But as far as calling out Stills, where this conversation began, and I will say this knowing I am going to piss others but I really don't care on this, the only difference between the princes of the Church who think they have some greater moral insight into how others should live their lives, and the queens of the world of all genders who think that they have great moral insight into how others should live their lives, the difference is none. It comes down to some people thinking they know better than others on how others should live their lives, and I am incredibly resentful of that no matter who from what perch that judgment is cast. Life just happens and that is the way it should be. Should all prospective parents have to take medical tests to determine what their putative life span is before they are allowed to conceive? Should we sterilize everyone over 40? Do people whose sexual activities are same gender and thus will not conceive have a greater moral authority than those who run the possibiltity fo conception by opposite gender sex? Do straight people have greater moral authority than those who are gay and lesbian? Are lesbians who give birth immoral because they are bringing new lives into the world where due to legal situations they cannot guarentee their children the benefits of marriage, such as future custody decision in case of the failure of the putative parental relationship, or social security and inheritance in case of parental death? If we don't want straights judging gays, can we allow the reverse? Everytime some straight bigot says "it is not a choice" we object, conveniently forgetting that in real life pregnancy is not a choice either. Pregnancy is not a disease other, and new life is not a curse. Would we deny Holocaust survivors the right to have children because they know bad life can be, or survivors of Hiroshima for the same reason? Or the survivors of Rwanda? Or do we applaude the affirmation of life because they know how bad it can be? And then where do we draw the lines? Age cut offs? genetic testing? When does one human being get to "make responsible decisons" (i.e. be a facist) is the lives of those who cannot and will made responsible decisons as we think they ought? Damn those people who do not agree with us! It is a very sad day when we cannot rejoice over the birth of a new life, as sad as when we cannot allow people to make responsible decisions in their own lives. Judge not means allowing people of mature age to make decisions too. Who the hell knows what the circumstances are in the lives of another? I am vehemently pro choice. And the operative word there is choice. Without me or anyone telling others what they should or should not do. Real life in the lives of indivuals is so much beyond any neat categories we might wish to place it. I cannot look at another persona nd tell them what they ought or ought to do to be responsible. I can be their friend, their support, in my case their pastoral counselor and help them decide what their responsible choice is but not mine to make. And certainly for people who I do not, I dare not presume to take what few fatcs I know and conjure up a whole theory of personality and decision making that I apply to them apart from their reality which I do not know. What choices, responsibly, have any of us made? The choices, and the results of, human sexuality are not for us to judge or make conclusions thereupon. I am not talking the transmission of AIDS or STDs - I am saying, a result of heterosexual sex can be preganancy and pregnancy is not a disease and the birth of a new life is an occasional for joy and support for the new family. This has been too long. But I am leaving it. I have driven women home after abortions and I have held newborns in my arms and no one dare say what was the responsible choice there unless it was their own personal decision in their own life given their own realities and circumstances. Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net > I hope you know that I wouldn't deny anyone the right to choose to have a > child, and I certainly don't think we should regret anyone who exists, > including you and your son. I guess I just wish that going forward people > in general would give more serious thought to the choices they have. I know > this is a touchy subject. I'm only thinking out loud, not judging. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #117 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)