From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 13 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 114 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Miles Davis, country singer [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Pippin NJC ["David Henderson" ] joni art posters ["David Henderson" ] javex bottle? ["David Henderson" ] Re: javex bottle? [Catherine McKay ] reproduction rights NJC ["David Henderson" ] NJC Re: javex bottle? [Bob Muller ] RE: javex bottle? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Teitur NJC [Catherine McKay ] Stills, reproduction NJC ["David Henderson" ] Ruth Brown NJC ["David Henderson" ] Still reproductive NJC ["David Henderson" ] Re: Pippin NJC now mary gauthier njc ["ron" ] RE: Pippin NJC now mary gauthier njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Stills, reproduction NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Stills, reproduction NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] too old for kids? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: too old for kids? njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Pippin NJC [Bob Muller ] Queueing and Cillit Bang njc [Garret ] Re: Still reproductive NJC [Smurf ] RE: Still reproductive NJC ["David Henderson" ] Re: Pippin/Muller Time -- NJC [Smurf ] RE: Pippin NJC ["David Henderson" ] Re: Stills, reproduction NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Stills, reproduction NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Pippin NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Pippin NJC [Bob Muller ] RE: Pippin NJC ["David Henderson" ] Re: Still reproductive NJC today on a church sign [Em ] FAo Jim Irvin re Article from Word magazine (UK) ["Ric Robinson" ] RE: too old for kids? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] fearless women [Neil Orts ] RE: too old for kids? njc [Bob Muller ] RE: Pippin NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: too old for kids? njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Stills' new baby beats Crosby's new liver -- njc [Smurf ] Re: fearless women [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:01:30 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Miles Davis, country singer Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell artist's choice", was Whoops, to put it mildly In reference to my strange Miles page in the book to the Artist's Choice Starbucks CD, Mark E. of Seattle said: <>Aha -- it's at best a regional -- presumably west coast -- thing. (Or is it only a People Who Have Undergone Or Who Will Undergo A Conoscopy thing?) Holy crap, doesn't anyone proofread these things? At least the Miles song and album are referenced correctly. I read the erroneous info. during my first pass through the CD & booklet, but it escaped me somehow (and I'm an editor, so maybe that tells you something). Maybe they'll fix this when they print the second batch of 1,000,000 copies. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:28:46 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Pippin NJC BOB WROTE NP: "Magic To Do" Ben Vereen/Pippin Soundtrack (hopefully I'll get to do this show for the third time this summer) Ah, the memories come flooding back. Pippin was only the second show album I fell in love with (just a year after my first, Godspell) . . . I was 12. Glory, Simple Joys, Kind of Woman, Love Song . . . I still love this recording. In my mind, I very much associate with these two albums with Joni's FTR and C&S and Rod Stewart's Never A Dull Moment and Todd Rundgren's Something/Anything . . . those junior high years on the edge of puberty. I have to be in just the right mood to listen to this music now. It can make me beam, and it can make me crash. The first time I ever laid eyes on my first partner, he was singing Extraordinary at what became my home away from home for a decade - a smoky, joyful little basement supper club in the Village called The Five Oaks. It turned out Patric's only Broadway gig had been as a swing in Pippin. A couple of years ago, I was at some theatre opening night party, standing in the food line, and I realized the woman in front of me was Jill Clayburgh. I asked her about Pippin. She said it was the best gig ever because she didn't have to show up until intermission, and she got to leave after her last song - she didn't even stay for curtain call except on opening night. I always loved these lyrics from the finale: PIPPIN: "I'm not a river or a giant bird That soars to the sea And if I'm never tied to anything I'll never be free" BTW I think John Rubinstein is starring in some play here now. David NP Mary Gauthier, Mercy Now (I've become completely addicted to this woman - who happens to be an out Lesbian from Louisiana, so of course she was destined for greatness ;) - over the last couple of weeks. I recommend giving her a listen, especially the tracks Mercy Now, I Drink and Your Sister Cried.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:34:20 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: joni art posters CATHERINE WROTE: >I would love it if Joni would produce some large-size >posters of her art. Limited edition prints would be >great (if expensive) but how about just a really nice >poster version on decent paper? Maybe that's not >financially viable? But it's better than looking at CD >art through a microscope for those of us with >less-than-perfect (read, horribly crappy) eyesight. (I >really must buy frames for the posters I do have >first.) I second that; I'd kill for posters of her art and would even spring for a couple of prints. Does anyone know if anything at all exists out there? David NP Mary Gauthier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:08:17 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: javex bottle? ROB WROTE: "The talk of Railway Avenue (don't know if this is only a Maidstone reference, since North Battleford also has a Railway Avenue which I think fits better with the song), the references to Maidstone, the coyote running through the whisker wheat, floating javex bottles, etc.... " I always wondered: What is a "javex bottle"? David NP Numb, Jay-Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: javex bottle? Javex is a brand of bleach in Canada, maybe elsewhere as well. The bottles could have ended up being tossed into the ocean by someone who doesn't give a rat's arse about the environment, or, more likely, may have been used as a floatation device or bumpers for someone's boat. David Henderson wrote: ROB WROTE: "The talk of Railway Avenue (don't know if this is only a Maidstone reference, since North Battleford also has a Railway Avenue which I think fits better with the song), the references to Maidstone, the coyote running through the whisker wheat, floating javex bottles, etc.... " I always wondered: What is a "javex bottle"? David NP Numb, Jay-Z Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:32:33 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: reproduction rights NJC I'm only going to weigh in to vote: I agree with RR 100%. David NP Candy Shop, 50 Cent (Yippee! Fiddy's back just in time for spring!) RANDY WROTE: Richard Flynn wrote: > I've stayed out of this, but I have to say that I think it's wrong to > criticize ANYONE for their reproductive choices--including whether or not to > procreate and at what age. Is this tolerance unlimited? 50 kids like Hussein? Should the African taboos against condoms be unchallenged? Should overpopulation be accepted because we can't breech the subject for fear of criticizing someone's reproductive choices? > Reproductive freedom and the freedom to exercise our sexualities (as long as > it doesn't extend to sexual violence) should be respected in old men like > Steve Stills What about the freedom to create a society in which there will still be something left for the coming generations? I guess what I'm saying is that rampant child-making is not a form of freedom, it's a form of irresponsiblility. We are all on this life raft together- and it's getting more crowded all the time. If another species was responsible for decimating 95% of our forests, creating global warming, and all the rest of it, we wouldn't be having this discussion. We think we are special, but we're not. Unlimited freedom to spawn is no more a god given right that unlimited freedom to pollute. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: javex bottle? David Henderson wrote: Subject: RE: javex bottle? The JMDL lyrics glossary has the answer for you, David. Basically it's a bleach bottle: http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=21 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of David Henderson Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:08 AM To: Joni Mitchell List; evian@sasktel.net Subject: javex bottle? ROB WROTE: "The talk of Railway Avenue (don't know if this is only a Maidstone reference, since North Battleford also has a Railway Avenue which I think fits better with the song), the references to Maidstone, the coyote running through the whisker wheat, floating javex bottles, etc.... " I always wondered: What is a "javex bottle"? David NP Numb, Jay-Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Teitur NJC The kids and I saw Teitur as the opening act for John Mayer last year. He really did come across as very sweet (in a good way.) He seemed a bit out of place in the huge cavern of the Air Canada Centre, which doesn't lend itself to the intimacy his songs seem to demand. Not that he didn't do a good job. Far from it, but he would be great to see and hear in a smaller venue, so I would add a big "me too" to anyone in NY and LA to catch him while you can. We did buy his CD and my daughter had a crush on him for a while, until someone else came along, and then someone else after that, and so on. Yes, it is far too snowy here for March, and Easter is early this year, so how's about it, Mother Nature? Send us some above-freezing temps. Damn! It snowed again last night. Not enough to bother to have to shovel the driveway, I hope, but enough already! Michael O'Malley wrote: All you folks in NY and LA, Here's your chance to catch Teitur, while he's a rising star. http://www.mtv.com/news/yhif/teitur/ He opened for Rufus in Quebec last year. His cd Poetry & Airplanes is so sweet. He'll be playing the Canal Room in NY on March 15 and LA's Largo on the 23. Go! Michael in still very snowy Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:45:06 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Stills, reproduction NJC Okay, one more thought - I would NEVER support legislation to limit reproduction rights. I was only suggesting it's an issue that should be brought to the fore, an issue that we, as a society, should discuss because there are serious consequences, as we've already seen, to the endless and aimless production of children. I don't want to limit our choices, but I would like to see us be a little more responsible about some of those choices. A separate thought on the same subject: I have a couple of friends who are science junkies who believe that we humans, actually all animals, are "wired" to have children to propagate (I hope that's the right word) the race, to make sure our people don't die out. They think we actually have very little choice in the matter. Just something to think about . . . David NP A Girl Called Eddy, Kathleen (giving it a try based on JMDL suggestions . . . ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:10:42 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Ruth Brown NJC JULIUS WROTE: She started telling a story about how she owned a second-hand furniture store and how cheap fellas would come in there trying to drive a bargain on a chair she had for sale. Then she went into song, which went something like, and this is just from memory: If I can't sell it/I'm going to sit right back down on it/But I 'sho ain't going to give it away! I'm so envious of your adventure. Miss Brown does give a fabulous turn in the fabulous Hairspray movie. I think the song above was in Black & Blue on Broadway. Great number! David NP 50 Cent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:15:04 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Still reproductive NJC You rock, Vince. VINCE WROTE: Next week in the National JMDL Enquirer: should gay men be allowed to have sex? should women have the right to decide in the privacy of their lives reproductive issues? should Paul have been allowed to marry Linda Eastman and John marry Yoko? can we find more ways to imitate the National Enquirer and the Christian Right Wing? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:58:38 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Pippin NJC now mary gauthier njc hi << NP Mary Gauthier, Mercy Now (I've become completely addicted to this > woman - > who happens to be an out Lesbian from Louisiana, so of course she was > destined for greatness ;) - over the last couple of weeks. I recommend > giving her a listen, especially the tracks Mercy Now, I Drink and Your > Sister Cried.) anyone interested can take a listen to the new album at: http://www.marygauthier.com/music.html & yes - it is good, very, very, very good. her best yet - and that is saying something as her first three were all very good. go take a listen. prepare to be stunned. it is amazing. her songwriting is as strong as ever - the music and production has continued the progression of her first three albums & has brought her to new heights. deep, emotional, disturbing, intellectual - o f(*k im not good at this review stuff - go and listen. i rate this album as a *must have* ron np = mary "wheel inside the wheel" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:26:55 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Pippin NJC now mary gauthier njc Just got my actual copy if this (replacing the digital copy in my Amazon "digital locker" and I second the recommendation. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of ron Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:59 AM To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List Subject: Re: Pippin NJC now mary gauthier njc hi << NP Mary Gauthier, Mercy Now (I've become completely addicted to this > woman - > who happens to be an out Lesbian from Louisiana, so of course she was > destined for greatness ;) - over the last couple of weeks. I recommend > giving her a listen, especially the tracks Mercy Now, I Drink and Your > Sister Cried.) anyone interested can take a listen to the new album at: http://www.marygauthier.com/music.html & yes - it is good, very, very, very good. her best yet - and that is saying something as her first three were all very good. go take a listen. prepare to be stunned. it is amazing. her songwriting is as strong as ever - the music and production has continued the progression of her first three albums & has brought her to new heights. deep, emotional, disturbing, intellectual - o f(*k im not good at this review stuff - go and listen. i rate this album as a *must have* ron np = mary "wheel inside the wheel" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:24:04 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni art posters David Henderson wrote: > I second that; I'd kill for posters of her art and would even spring for a > couple of prints. Does anyone know if anything at all exists out there? During her last tour for the BSN orchestral album, she was selling four different prints of her art from that album. Some of them were signed, some not. They were $100 at the concerts, and quickly sold out. In addition, in the past, she has made very small editions of some of her artwork and given them to her friends. Occasionally both will show up on ebay, for big bux. Her original art has also shown up there a time or two, for even bigger bux. A better bet might be to snag the Mendel Art Gallery book "Voices: The Work of Joni Mitchell which was produced for her gallery show in Saskatoon a few years ago, and is seen on ebay for more reasonable prices. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:24:53 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Stills, reproduction NJC David Henderson wrote: > I have a couple of friends who are > science junkies who believe that we humans, actually all animals, are > "wired" to have children to propagate (I hope that's the right word) the > race, to make sure our people don't die out. Of course we are wired to propagate-that's what sex is all about. The most pleasurable sensation in life is simply a trick to get us to make babies, from nature's point of view. > They think we actually have > very little choice in the matter. We have more choice now than any time in history. If we don't get a handle on it, the very thing that made us so numerous will end us as a species. RR, who for the record, thinks Linda Eastman never should have married Yoko because that's what broke up the Stones. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:49:15 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Stills, reproduction NJC Randy Remote wrote: > who for the record, thinks Linda Eastman never should have married > Yoko because that's what broke up the Stones. Now Randy! This is not a tabloid! This is the JMDL! The only person we can spread scurrilous gossip about is Joni! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:06:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: too old for kids? njc Someone at 80 can be more vital than someone at 60. My step dad is in his 80s & travels the world, sails his boat all over the place, is full of energy & has so many interest. At 80 something he is going strong. People die suddenly all the time at 30, 40, 50 or 60 & leave their kids behind. I know some men with second families or who start their families late in life who have so much more to give their children in terms of their time because when they were younger they had little time because they were early in their career & working or on the road all the time. The assumption that a younger dad will live longer or have more to give of themselves to their child is false, imo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:17:44 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: too old for kids? njc Kate Bennett wrote: > Someone at 80 can be more vital than someone at 60. My step dad is > in his 80s & travels the world, sails his boat all over the place, > is > full of energy & has so many interest. At 80 something he is going > strong. People die suddenly all the time at 30, 40, 50 or 60 & leave > their kids behind. I know some men with second families or who > start > their families late in life who have so much more to give their > children in terms of their time because when they were younger they > had little time because they were early in their career & working or > on the road all the time. The assumption that a younger dad will > live longer or have more to give of themselves to their child is > false, imo. That's all very true, Kate, but what are the odds? What is the likelihood of an 80 year old living much more than even 5 years? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Pippin NJC My Dad was/is a big Broadway musical fan, so we grew up with a steady diet of musicals. When my Dad brought home the Pippin soundtrack, my sister & I just fell in love with it, and double-dee-dog-dared each other that if it ever came to the Raleigh Little Theater that we'd both try out. well, it did and we did, both of us were cast and had the time of our lives. (I sang "Extraordinary" for my audition and really pegged it) About a year or so after that, I did the show again at Meredith College (an all-girls school in Raleigh). This time I was Lewis so I had a couple of lines, which was cool. Now, 25 some-odd years later, my son's high school does a "Summerstock" show every August in which they use current/former students, parents, siblings, whoever. I was in their production of Godspell 2 summers ago, and Joseph & The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat in '04. What I've heard from the grapevine is that Pippin will be the '05 show, so if that's the case I may get a shot at being Charlemagne himself ("War is a science, with rules to be applied...). Regardless of that, I get to perform in the school's upcoming cabaret fundraiser in April - our first rehearsal is this afternoon. I get to perform what I consider to be a dream set: Corner Of The Sky, You've Got To Be Carefully Taught, Somewhere, & Almost Like Being In Love Bob NP: XTC, "War Dance" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:36:32 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Queueing and Cillit Bang njc Lucy Said: During the war we brits learned (so my mum told me) that if you see a queue you join it.... That is why we are so good at queuing....I DIGRESS AGAIN>>>> This is so funny Lucy! It's true; British people seem to be very proud of their queues and very good at queueing. I have so much to learn! When i lived in london i was living with three actors, so i tended to hear often about all sorts of dramatic and artistic projects. One of the girls got an ad for a public performance art piece. It was to be on South Bank - volunteer actors to queue up in the most random places and see if anyone would join the queues. lol. It was to be some artistic statement on a british national obsession. I do so hate the Cillit Bang ads on tv (but not as much as i hate those stupid lemsip adds "thought you were sick pal and the merger was going to go down the drain.... lemsip max strength - sorts the men from the boys" YOu know that one? i really want to send those two men to some desert island) GARRET NP- Smashing Pumpkins, Tonight Tonight - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:46:34 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Still reproductive NJC > VINCE WROTE: > can we find more ways to > imitate the National Enquirer > and the Christian Right Wing? How about we put a "Would You Be Caught Dead in This Outfit?" page on the JMDL, and then start an ex-Joni movement for formerly gay men and lesbians! - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:08:27 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Still reproductive NJC I think you meant: an ex-Joni movement for formerly gay men, lesbians and Cher fans, right? ;) >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Smurf [mailto:smurfadelica@yahoo.com] >>>Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:47 PM >>>To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List; revrvl@comcast.net >>>Subject: Re: Still reproductive NJC >>> >>> >>> >>>> VINCE WROTE: >>> >>>> can we find more ways to >>>> imitate the National Enquirer >>>> and the Christian Right Wing? >>> >>>How about we put a "Would You Be Caught Dead in This >>>Outfit?" page on the JMDL, and then start an ex-Joni >>>movement for formerly gay men and lesbians! >>> >>>--Smurf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:11:00 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Pippin/Muller Time -- NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > What I've heard from the grapevine > is that Pippin will be the '05 show, so if that's > the case I may get a shot at being Charlemagne > himself ("War is a science, with rules to be > applied...). Woo-hoo! I smell a Muller Fest gittin' ready to happen! SpongePants Dixie Charlemagne, get ready for Attilla the Yankee Smurf -- on your own turf! I can see it now, you'll be going, "War is a science, with rules to be applied," as silvery discs come flying at you from all over the audience! I am so there, Muller. The only thing that could make this a more incredible entertainment event would be if Bonnie Raitt sat next to me. Where do I sign up? Anyone else want to make plans for Muller Time? - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:33:39 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Pippin NJC Good Luck! Charlemagne is a kick-ass role! You've got some really clever lines/lyrics. Have you ever scene the video? That actor is fantastic, and Chita Rivera plays the queen! I love Corner of the Sky (I know, I'm a sap, but it's such a life-affirming little gem.) Is "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" a song about prejudice? I think a woman used to sing this same song at a piano bar I went to . . . "You've got to be carefully taught how to hate . . . " I forget the actual lyrics, but it's an excellent song, a simple beauty. Is that what you are singing? Is that from a show? If you like the occasional sappy, irresistible, life-affirming show tune, I'd recommend the main song from Brooklyn, a not-so-well-received show on Broadway right now, but it's got a giant heart, some good songs and an incredible young cast (its book is dreadfully stupid and some don't like that the music is very popish). I had a blast and cried like a baby at curtain call (I feel like an even bigger sap when I write this stuff down!). The song is called Once Upon A Time, and you can download it for free from their website at www.brooklynthemusical.com. It's pretty darn irresistible. David NP A Girl Called Eddy -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:26 PM To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List Subject: Re: Pippin NJC My Dad was/is a big Broadway musical fan, so we grew up with a steady diet of musicals. When my Dad brought home the Pippin soundtrack, my sister & I just fell in love with it, and double-dee-dog-dared each other that if it ever came to the Raleigh Little Theater that we'd both try out. well, it did and we did, both of us were cast and had the time of our lives. (I sang "Extraordinary" for my audition and really pegged it) About a year or so after that, I did the show again at Meredith College (an all-girls school in Raleigh). This time I was Lewis so I had a couple of lines, which was cool. Now, 25 some-odd years later, my son's high school does a "Summerstock" show every August in which they use current/former students, parents, siblings, whoever. I was in their production of Godspell 2 summers ago, and Joseph & The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat in '04. What I've heard from the grapevine is that Pippin will be the '05 show, so if that's the case I may get a shot at being Charlemagne himself ("War is a science, with rules to be applied...). Regardless of that, I get to perform in the school's upcoming cabaret fundraiser in April - our first rehearsal is this afternoon. I get to perform what I consider to be a dream set: Corner Of The Sky, You've Got To Be Carefully Taught, Somewhere, & Almost Like Being In Love Bob NP: XTC, "War Dance" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:49:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Stills, reproduction NJC > Randy Remote wrote: > > who for the record, thinks Linda Eastman never should have married > > Yoko because that's what broke up the Stones. > > Now Randy! This is not a tabloid! This is the JMDL! The only > person we can spread scurrilous gossip about is Joni! > > Mark E. in Seattle Okay. I don't think Joni should have ever broken up with Mick Jagger to be with Yoko. There. I said it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:47:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Stills, reproduction NJC reproduction NJC >> Randy Remote wrote: > Okay. I don't think Joni should have ever broken up with Mick Jagger > to be with Yoko. There. I said it. That's better! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:56:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Pippin NJC David Henderson wrote: > Good Luck! Charlemagne is a kick-ass role! You've got some really > clever lines/lyrics. Have you ever scene the video? That actor is > fantastic, and Chita Rivera plays the queen! I love Corner of the > Sky > (I know, I'm a sap, but it's such a life-affirming little gem.) Pippin's grandmother will always be my favorite. I wish I had seen Irene Ryan in the part. Give me a man who's handsome and strong Someone who's stalwart and steady Give me a night that's romantic and long And give me a month to get ready! > > Is "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" a song about prejudice? I > think a woman used to sing this same song at a piano bar I went to . > . . "You've got to be carefully taught how to hate . . . " I forget > the actual lyrics, but it's an excellent song, a simple beauty. Is > that what you are singing? Is that from a show? \ Correct me if I'm wrong, Bob, but yes I'm sure that is the song you're thinking of. It's from 'South Pacific'. Lt. Cable sings it when he is feeling very bitter about his own prejudices that have stopped him from marrying the lovely young Polynesian girl, Liat. > > If you like the occasional sappy, irresistible, life-affirming show > tune, I'd recommend the main song from Brooklyn, a > not-so-well-received show on Broadway right now, but it's got a > giant > heart, some good songs and an incredible young cast (its book is > dreadfully stupid and some don't like that the music is very > popish). > I had a blast and cried like a baby at curtain call (I feel like an > even bigger sap when I write this stuff down!). The song is called > Once Upon A Time, and you can download it for free from their > website > at www.brooklynthemusical.com. It's pretty darn irresistible. Is this a new musical? I remember singing a song called 'Once Upon a Time' either in high school or junior high school choir. Once upon a time A girl with moonlight in her eyes Put her hand in mine And said she loved me so Probably not the same song. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Pippin NJC Mark or Travis wrote: It's a showstopper to be sure - really the character only has that one number. Like Corner of the Sky, it's life-affirming as well..."Oh it's time to start living, time to start taking from the life we're given, time to take time, for spring will turn to fall...in just no time at all". You are indeed correct - besides being a great song, it's significant to me because I remember my Dad specifically sitting me down and looking at the words to this song when I was a kid. It's when I learned to appreciate a lyric because my Dad was so passionate about the message of the song. According to Pop, the show's producers wanted this song cut because of its darkness and controversy. Oscar Hammerstein, the song's author said basically "cut this song and you cut the whole show" and wouldn't permit it, so it stayed in. And even in its brevity it's sadly STILL relevant over 50 years later: You've got to be taught to hate and fear You've got to be taught from year to year It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made And people whose skin is a different shade You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late Before you are six or seven or eight To hate all the people your relatives hate You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be carefully taught. Bob NP: Blind Melon, "Change" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:36:10 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Pippin NJC MARK WROTE: >Pippin's grandmother will always be my favorite. I wish I had seen >Irene Ryan in the part. >Give me a man who's handsome and strong >Someone who's stalwart and steady >Give me a night that's romantic and long >And give me a month to get ready! Me too! She sounds fantastic on the album. This is my favorite verse (he was such a clever lyricist back then). I've never wondered if I was afraid When there was a challenge to take I never thought about how much I weighed When there was still one piece of cake Maybe it's meant the hours I've spent Feeling broken and bent and unwell But there's still no cure more heaven-sent As the chance to raise some hell! Thanks for the info on "You have to be carefully taught." South Pacific's not a show I know well. I never knew it was from a show at all. This quiet lady used to come in, sing this song, and a silly pop ditty called something like "Goody Goody" and leave . . I wonder what ever happened to her . . . Yes, Brooklyn the Musical is new this season. It's been open about four months, and it has this rabid fan base of 20-year-olds that are (barely) keeping it open. The critics HATED the whole show. Like I said, I loved it. It's about a French college student, an orphan, who comes to America to compete in an American Idol type competition, and along the way a homeless man befriends her, and then there's the American father and the show's villianess, her competitor - a black woman from the Brooklyn projects. I think I'm a sucker for stories about orphans who make it against all odds. It's written by a guy who was actually homeless himself for a decade in Brooklyn. They should be paying me for this free PR!! David NP A Girl Named Eddy >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] >>>Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:57 PM >>>To: David Henderson; Bob Muller; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: Pippin NJC >>> >>> >>>David Henderson wrote: >>>> Good Luck! Charlemagne is a kick-ass role! You've got some really >>>> clever lines/lyrics. Have you ever scene the video? That actor is >>>> fantastic, and Chita Rivera plays the queen! I love Corner of the >>>> Sky >>>> (I know, I'm a sap, but it's such a life-affirming little gem.) >>> >>>Pippin's grandmother will always be my favorite. I wish I had seen >>>Irene Ryan in the part. >>> >>>Give me a man who's handsome and strong >>>Someone who's stalwart and steady >>>Give me a night that's romantic and long >>>And give me a month to get ready! >>>> >>>> Is "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" a song about prejudice? I >>>> think a woman used to sing this same song at a piano bar I went to . >>>> . . "You've got to be carefully taught how to hate . . . " I forget >>>> the actual lyrics, but it's an excellent song, a simple beauty. Is >>>> that what you are singing? Is that from a show? >>>\ >>> >>>Correct me if I'm wrong, Bob, but yes I'm sure that is the song you're >>>thinking of. It's from 'South Pacific'. Lt. Cable sings it when he >>>is feeling very bitter about his own prejudices that have stopped him >>>from marrying the lovely young Polynesian girl, Liat. >>> >>>> >>>> If you like the occasional sappy, irresistible, life-affirming show >>>> tune, I'd recommend the main song from Brooklyn, a >>>> not-so-well-received show on Broadway right now, but it's got a >>>> giant >>>> heart, some good songs and an incredible young cast (its book is >>>> dreadfully stupid and some don't like that the music is very >>>> popish). >>>> I had a blast and cried like a baby at curtain call (I feel like an >>>> even bigger sap when I write this stuff down!). The song is called >>>> Once Upon A Time, and you can download it for free from their >>>> website >>>> at www.brooklynthemusical.com. It's pretty darn irresistible. >>> >>>Is this a new musical? I remember singing a song called 'Once Upon a >>>Time' either in high school or junior high school choir. >>> >>>Once upon a time >>>A girl with moonlight in her eyes >>>Put her hand in mine >>>And said she loved me so >>> >>>Probably not the same song. >>> >>>Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:48:45 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Still reproductive NJC today on a church sign - --- Smurf wrote: > How about we put a "Would You Be Caught Dead in This > Outfit?" page on the JMDL, and then start an ex-Joni > movement for formerly gay men and lesbians! speaking of formery gay... today I almost puked into my helmet passing this one church - they had on their sign "you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you straight". Bite me, bite me, bite me. :( Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:54:33 -0000 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: FAo Jim Irvin re Article from Word magazine (UK) Hi Jim, I've scanned the article and am happy to send to you if you like, what's your mailbox limit? If you're really good I'll transcribe for you, but this will take some time as the article runs to some 9 pages. Regards, Ric Ric Robinson Portsmouth UK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:00:19 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: would you be dead in this outfit NJC This is the best idea ever! Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- > > > VINCE WROTE: > > > can we find more ways to > > imitate the National Enquirer > > and the Christian Right Wing? > > How about we put a "Would You Be Caught Dead in This > Outfit?" page on the JMDL, and then start an ex-Joni > movement for formerly gay men and lesbians! > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:00:10 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Pippin NJC man, i'll chip in on 'pippin' memories. i did a production in 1981 at marin county's dominican college; they cast from outside of the college. it was a collaboration of the theater and opera departments; the guy who played 'leading player' was not vocally strong so the music director created a bunch of four-part harmonies for his solo songs, so we got to sing 'you're on the right track' etc. a total blast... you look frenzied you look frazzled piqued as any alp flushed and rushed and razzle dazzled dry your face damp your scalp our charlemagne was a big operatic tenor, so the voice was magnificent (though he was a big queen...) there are so many great songs, 'corner of the sky' of course, 'simple joys', especially 'morning glow' and the finale. they couldn't make 'simple joys' an orgy, like it's supposed to be, (after all, dominican is a private, religious college) so the choreographer made a terrific jazz dance duet for my partner and i, and we got singled out in the reviews. sometimes, i think life has been all downhill since then. i love the video of the broadway production as well. irene ryan was already dead, so martha raye did the grandmother. and john rubinstein was out of the show, but pippin was played by william katt (grrr, one of my biggest boycrushes as a young man) william katt was terrific, he also played carrie's boyfriend in the movie, and his mother is barbara hale, who played della street on 'perry mason'. patrick, all nostalgic-ish np - verve remixed, vol. 2 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of David Henderson Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:29 AM To: Joni Mitchell List; scjoniguy@yahoo.com Subject: Pippin NJC BOB WROTE NP: "Magic To Do" Ben Vereen/Pippin Soundtrack (hopefully I'll get to do this show for the third time this summer) Ah, the memories come flooding back. Pippin was only the second show album I fell in love with (just a year after my first, Godspell) . . . I was 12. Glory, Simple Joys, Kind of Woman, Love Song . . . I still love this recording. In my mind, I very much associate with these two albums with Joni's FTR and C&S and Rod Stewart's Never A Dull Moment and Todd Rundgren's Something/Anything . . . those junior high years on the edge of puberty. I have to be in just the right mood to listen to this music now. It can make me beam, and it can make me crash. The first time I ever laid eyes on my first partner, he was singing Extraordinary at what became my home away from home for a decade - a smoky, joyful little basement supper club in the Village called The Five Oaks. It turned out Patric's only Broadway gig had been as a swing in Pippin. A couple of years ago, I was at some theatre opening night party, standing in the food line, and I realized the woman in front of me was Jill Clayburgh. I asked her about Pippin. She said it was the best gig ever because she didn't have to show up until intermission, and she got to leave after her last song - she didn't even stay for curtain call except on opening night. I always loved these lyrics from the finale: PIPPIN: "I'm not a river or a giant bird That soars to the sea And if I'm never tied to anything I'll never be free" BTW I think John Rubinstein is starring in some play here now. David NP Mary Gauthier, Mercy Now (I've become completely addicted to this woman - who happens to be an out Lesbian from Louisiana, so of course she was destined for greatness ;) - over the last couple of weeks. I recommend giving her a listen, especially the tracks Mercy Now, I Drink and Your Sister Cried.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:08:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: too old for kids? njc >That's all very true, Kate, but what are the odds? What is the likelihood of an 80 year old living much more than even 5 years? Mark E. < Hi Mark! The odds are pretty good of someone these days living well into their mid 80's with no major health issues. I know many of men who are. I don't know if maybe its a Southern California thing but it is not unusual at all. We were talking about a sixty year old having a child. So that would be at least 25 years of being a dad. I know lots of people who have lost their parents at a much younger age than 25 & it wasn't because father was old when they were born. My husband is in his early 60's. I plan on having him around for many decades (but we are having each others grandchildren, not children! LOL) Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: fearless women saw this book at work (barnes & noble) and wondered if anyone here had noticed it. It's basically a photography book of women (the connecting theme being they are all holding a sword--I wish the photographer had used a less violent symbol, but I didn't do the book, now, did I?) and Joni is in there a couple of times. apologies if this book has already been discussed. I can't keep up with this list! http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=UG0GKlVA8h&isbn=1584794127&itm=1 - -Neil Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: too old for kids? njc Kate Bennett wrote: But Kate - he's married to YOU!! He has such an incentive to stick around. :~) Bob NP: Coldplay, "Green Eyes" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Pippin NJC Thanks for the memories, Patrick - the one time I SAW Pippin onstage the lead was Barry Williams, the oldest son of the Brady Bunch and he did a good job. The first time I was in Pippin the leading player was a black female named Lajuanda Holley - she had a booming baritone voice, which sounds weird but it worked just fine, and she was a dynamic dancer. The second time I did it we had a white male leading player, his first name was Hal and he was a pretty good tripled threat. The poor Pippin in that show was a guy named Brett Fishbach and bless his heart he could barely hold a tune. Anyway, this production was on an island amphitheater - the set was this metal scaffolding that we were to climb all over throughout the play. Saturday night there was a thunderstorm nearby and the scaffolding was picking up the charge, so every time we went climbing on it we felt the electric shock. This might explain why I ain't quite right to this very day. Another nice highlight was skinny-dipping at one of the cast parties with the actress who played Catherine. Thanks to all the cold cream I had to use to remove all the white-face makeup, my face cleared up too which was cool. OK, enough Pippin memories from me. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Red Streamliner" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:06:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: too old for kids? njc Kate wrote: > The odds are pretty good of someone these days living well into their mid > 80's with no major health issues. I couldn't agree more Kate! My mother is in her 80's and she's still very healthy and active. We even bowl on a team with my sister and brother-in-law on a Friday night league, and she can kick some ass :) She had my baby sister when she was in her 40's (back when that was taboo), and my little sister turns 40 this week. I've stayed out of the Stills thread, but everyone has had some valid points and we are all entitled to our opinion. If Stephen wants another baby, I say go for it, but that's just my opinion. As Vince said, it's really none of our business what Stills is doing with his life, but I think the thread is more about older people having babies. I say if they want a baby and are responsible, loving, and healthy people......why not? Just my little ole opinion! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Stills' new baby beats Crosby's new liver -- njc Googlefight says: Stills' new baby 314,000 vs. 254 for Crosby's new liver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:22:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: joni at starbucks! Maybe you guys already know this, but there are CD's that Joni has put together of songs she likes at Starbucks!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:47:54 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: fearless women Neil Orts wrote: > saw this book at work (barnes & noble) and wondered if > anyone here had noticed it. It's basically a > photography book of women (the connecting theme being > they are all holding a sword--I wish the photographer > had used a less violent symbol, but I didn't do the > book, now, did I?) and Joni is in there a couple of > times. > > apologies if this book has already been discussed. I > can't keep up with this list! I haven't heard of it, but it says publ. date Mar. 05. So there are recent pics of Joni in it? What's it like? Product Description: Ask some women their age, and they'll demur. Ask others, like Joni Mitchell or Cybill Shepherd, and they'll take up a sword. In this inspirational book, 50 women ranging in age from their 40s to their 60s-including movie and television personalities, musicians, and Olympic athletes-are presented in stunning photographs holding a sword to symbolize their passionate and courageous approach to aging. Their stories are told alongside the pictures, capturing the experiences of the 38 million women of the Baby Boom generation who are challenging the age barrier and living the second half of their lives to the fullest. Coauthors Nancy Alspaugh and Marilyn Kentz are founders of the Fearless Aging movement, which encourages women to discard outdated views of getting older and celebrate who they are today. Joan Lunden, Leeza Gibbons, Shari Belafonte, Erin Brockovich, and Native American medicine woman Brooke Medicine Eagle are among the women who share their feelings about how they have become wiser and more powerful with age. The book concludes with an empty page for one final woman: a place where her photo can be added and her story can be told. As a tribute to a friend or loved one, this book is one of the best gifts a fearless woman can receive. AUTHOR BIO: Nancy Alspaugh, 49, is the Emmy Award-winning producer of numerous network and nationally syndicated programs, including NBC's long-running talk show Leeza.Marilyn Kentz, 57, is a member of The Mommies, the comedy duo whose stage show led to a television sitcom, a Showtime comedy special, and the ABC talk show Caryl and Marilyn: Real Friends. Together Nancy and Marilyn have published Not Your Mother's Midlife: A Ten-Step Guide to Fearless Aging and created a stage show about fearless aging. Mary Ann Halpin, 53, is an acclaimed photographer best known for her celebrity portraits and album and CD covers, along with a vast body of other work. She is the author and photographer of Pregnant Goddesshood: A Celebration of Life. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #114 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)