From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #105 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 105 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Oscars ["David Henderson" ] NJC come and go alone ["David Henderson" ] RE: NJC peeling shrimp ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: NJC and yet more shrimp ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: NJC come and go alone ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: NJC come and go alone ["David Henderson" ] Rufus njc ["Azeem" ] Joni on the brain ["willytheshake100" ] RE: Joni on the brain ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni on the brain ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: last 10 cd purchases NJC ["patrick leader" ] a reference in the movie "Sideways" (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" Subject: NJC Oscars Well, that's definitely his thesis but the underlying reason for the thesis is that he seems to believe that none of these specific people nominated or given the award deserved it, and that seems specious to me, or at least a stretch. I guess I think he doth protest too much; my hidden agenda alarm went off. He certainly did catch my attention!! David (peeling what seems like a bottomless pit of shrimp. ugh.) >Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) >From: Catherine McKay >Subject: Re: box office mojo njc >You could be right, too. I thought that as I read it. >It's very difficult most of the time to know what the >writer's intentions were, especially if you know >nothing of the writer. I can certainly see both view >points. - - --- mackoliver wrote: > With all deference given to differing opinions, I > didn't read the piece as > racism but rather as a person who is tired of racism > being brought to the > fore at every opportunity and that the forum was > supposed to excellence in > movies, not race. My take. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:59:25 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: NJC come and go alone - - --- David Henderson wrote: > SMURF WROTE: > >We absolutely *DO* come and go alone, Bob -- even Smurf, I was only teasing you . . . seriously, I do agree with you and Catherine. I think there's definitely a core, if that's the right word, to everyone's personality that I don't think anyone else can ever completely know. It can make you strong if it does not consume you. As I said earlier, a big attraction to Joni is that she seems so strong, resolute and somewhat comfortable in her aloneness. The very first song I ever heard by Joni was Court & Spark, and that might have been the first time I realized that a good sense of aloneness could be okay. I know what I mean, but I can't really express it well (obviously). It's a subject often at the fore of my mind. David (if my keyboard spells like shrimp, i'm going to kill matthew for making me peel these things) > >people who are born into the world in multiple > births. > > Well, that's a bit cynical, don't you think? When > you're born, God knows > Mama's there, right? And what if you are on your > death bed, and someone - > say, Joni Mitchell - is holding your hand, then you > are not alone, right? he > he Well, David, like you, I can laugh at just about anything, so acknowledging all the humour in this from Smurf, Muller and you, we really are alone when we are born and when we die. We come through the birth canal alone (well, some of us were born by C-section, so that doesn't count, does it?), and we die alone ultimately. There may be people there to catch us when we're born or to hold our hands when we die, but the actual journey is one that we take alone. That sounds way too heavy for a Sunny Saturday afternoon, doesn't it? I don't think it's nearly as bleak as it sounds. I don't mind being alone. In fact, my kids are ALWAYS around, except for the few hours here and there they go to see their Dad and, love them as I do, I ENJOY BEING ALONE!!! Oh well, there's always death, isn't there? Heh-heh-heh. Catherine Toronto - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:08:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC peeling shrimp HA david!!! you should've been at the northeast jonifests a few years ago. some much shrimp peeling and deveining!!!! UGH! not that i ever volunteered to touch those things. too close to my castration complex for comfort. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de David > Henderson > Enviado el: Sabado, 05 de Marzo de 2005 06:46 p.m. > Para: Joni Mitchell List; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; mackoliver@comcast.net > Asunto: NJC Oscars > > > > David (peeling what seems like a bottomless pit of shrimp. ugh.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:10:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC and yet more shrimp i don't know that it will learn how to spell but it will certainly smell so. w, couldn't resist > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de David > Henderson > Enviado el: Sabado, 05 de Marzo de 2005 06:59 p.m. > Para: Joni Mitchell List > Asunto: NJC come and go alone > > > > David (if my keyboard spells like shrimp, i'm going to kill matthew for > making me peel these things) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:11:30 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC come and go alone I guess it stands to reason that shrimp are notoriously bad spellers, but where do you get self-spelling keyboards? I gather you are supposed to keep them unpeeled? :-) ___________________________________________________________________________ David wrote: David (if my keyboard spells like shrimp, i'm going to kill matthew for making me peel these things) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:44:23 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: NJC come and go alone LOL I didn't even realize what I'd said till you and Wally pointed it out!! >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >>>Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:12 PM >>>To: 'David Henderson'; 'Joni Mitchell List' >>>Subject: RE: NJC come and go alone >>> >>> >>>I guess it stands to reason that shrimp are notoriously bad spellers, but >>>where do you get self-spelling keyboards? I gather you are >>>supposed to keep >>>them unpeeled? :-) >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>__________ >>>David wrote: >>> >>>David (if my keyboard spells like shrimp, i'm going to kill matthew for >>>making me peel these things) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:30:47 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: Rufus njc He was on Jonathan Rosss programme on Radio 2 this morning. He played two songs live, the second of which was Gay Messiah, the first I cant remember the title. I had the same reaction as I have always had to his songs and singing, which was of a striking voice, though one I couldnt get to like - I find it arch and overbearing. And the songs sounded like tuneless dirges, as have all the songs of his Ive heard. Sorry, Rufus-lovers, I simply dont get it! I find myself in the position where Id far rather listen to his mother, his father, his aunt (all of whom Ive seen and loved in concert several times) or his sister! It doesnt help that he comes across as so conceited in interviews. Still, he and many others are convinced enough of his genius that my mithering wont have any adverse effect on his relentless advance to stardom, riches and world domination. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 04/03/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:45:47 -0000 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Joni on the brain I must have Joni on the brain. Were listening to Philippe Entremont's Claire de Lune. When it ended, I thought, 'The rain retreats, like troops to fall on other fields and streets'. Meanwhile. Anyone chime? "To this day, I love the trumpet and sad, moonlit melodies." - Aye! Track #6, Harlem In Havana, is my Artist's Choice favouritest - the last best thing Joni ever did (has done - I'm in denial!). Joni's last great artistic piece, sans doute - HIH - IMHO. Giggling a bit now. What's wrong with this picture? WtS sitting in Starbucks downtown Houston listening to Harlem in Havana. WtS NP - Grey Gardens, Rufus Wainwright x ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:18:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni on the brain i didn't know she'd chosen entremont's version!!!! that's the version i heard in the early 60's, the one that led me to discover major 7th chords and made me a musician. joni strikes again. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > willytheshake100 > Enviado el: Sabado, 05 de Marzo de 2005 08:46 p.m. > Para: Joni Mitchell > Asunto: Joni on the brain > > > I must have Joni on the brain. > > Were listening to Philippe Entremont's Claire de Lune. When > it ended, I thought, 'The rain retreats, like troops to fall > on other fields and streets'. Meanwhile. Anyone chime? > "To this day, I love the trumpet and sad, moonlit > melodies." - Aye! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:29:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni on the brain willytheshake100 wrote: > I must have Joni on the brain. > > Were listening to Philippe Entremont's Claire de Lune. When > it ended, I thought, 'The rain retreats, like troops to fall > on other fields and streets'. Meanwhile. Anyone chime? > "To this day, I love the trumpet and sad, moonlit > melodies." - Aye! > I've been enjoying Joni's Artist's Choice cd although I find it puzzling that she omitted at least a couple of artists that we know she admires. There isn't a Lambert Hendricks and Ross song on the cd and Joni has always talked about how they were one of her earliest favorites. Also, as somebody else pointed out, no Laura Nyro! One might also think that she would include at least one piece by Mingus and she has also professed to being an admirer of Stevie Wonder. And why oh why did she include that d**n Steely Dan song??! Ducking and running for cover, Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:50:35 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: last 10 cd purchases NJC hey folks: i haven't been posting much lately, but i'm still reading nearly every post, and loving a lot of these threads. the 'top 50 songs' brought up so many memories, and i've been revisiting a lot of stuff. anyway, here's my last 10 cds, as well as i can remember: joni's choice (starbucks) cocteau twins victorialand treasure heaven or las vegas blue bell knoll (because i had all four on cassette only, and the simon raymonde remasters are pretty cheap and wonderful) lorraine hunt lieberson, handel arias (the new one) judy garland - live at carnegie dawn upshaw - voices of light steve reich - 'different trains' and 'triple quartet' for orchestra, four sections john adams - road movies patrick np - adamski: naughty, head-on-collision-ism ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:33:15 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: a reference in the movie "Sideways" (njc) I just saw the movie "Sideways" tonight. I'm just wondering - (as some people in the theatre seemed to react to a certain line), if you've seen the movie, did the line about the main character's book being "like a Robbe-Grillet mystery" strike a chord with you? I thought I was about the only person west of the Atlantic who actually read Robbe-Grillet (in French, of course...) So, I guess I'm wondering how many of you have heard of, never mind read, Alain Robbe-Grillet. lots of love Anne (feeling like a total literary snob - and after all those thousands of dollars for a college educatin, why not?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a reference in the movie "Sideways" (njc) - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > So, I guess I'm wondering how many of you have heard > of, never mind read, Alain Robbe-Grillet. > Moi! But then again, I majored in French too. Now I'm going to have to go back and check just what the hell I did read of his, otherwise it's going to drive me nuts. But I haven't seen "Sideways". Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a reference in the movie "Sideways" (njc) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > So, I guess I'm wondering how many of you have > heard > > of, never mind read, Alain Robbe-Grillet. > > > > Moi! But then again, I majored in French too. Now > I'm > going to have to go back and check just what the > hell > I did read of his, otherwise it's going to drive me > nuts. > Aha! "Le voyeur". Now I can sleep! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:42:28 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Vincent In a message dated 2/25/05, Brad posted: "I gather that she has always been ambivalent about the performing art part. Witness her comment on MOA about no one ever asked Van Gogh to paint Starry Night again. " Funny thing is, he pretty much did paint "A Starry Night" again. Not exactly, but pretty close, thematically. And many painters, e.g., Monet, painted the same scene over and over again, in different light, etc. Her performance skills are pretty amazing - so much so that she would have been something if that were all she did. Of course, there are those other small matters of composing the music, writing the lyrics, arranging the music (including the alternate tunings), recording and producing the albums, creating the covers and packaging. So, I guess she's really something. It's good to see people like Page and Townshend seconding Crosby's long-standing assertion that Joni's "the one". (I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron Crowe were to throw his hat in the ring on that, too) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:44:37 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Catherine's last 10 'CD' purchases, njc What the hell?! You bought a disc by "Over The Rhine"? room spins... must... send... must... send.... Lama Catherine, in far away Toronto, Ontario said >7. Over the Rhine: Changes Come> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #105 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)