From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #96 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 096 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Neil [Bobsart48@aol.com] A question about love [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc [Lucy Hone ] academy award party njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: academy award party =?ISO-8859-1?B?oG5qYw==?= [JRMCo1@aol.com] Ray Charles NJC ["David Henderson" ] academy award party  njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: The Saffron Gates njc [Catherine McKay ] Graham Nash Teach Your Children NJC [mags h ] stress relief, healing and compassion NJC [mags h ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #94 Re: Gimme a Song [Chorando6@aol.com] Sondre ["David Henderson" ] Re: Graham Nash Teach Your Children NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Two Grey Rooms NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels [Justalittlebree] Harley and the pussycats (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: gimme a song [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 [Michael Pa] Re: H a P p Y K a T e D a Y !!! -- njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Michael Paz ] Re: no piano songs [Michael Paz ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson [Michael Paz ] Re: Two Grey Rooms now NRH ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 NJC [Bob Mu] Re: Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels [Bob Muller ] Numa Numa Dance -- NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:17:20 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Neil Matt Mc in Sunny Mississippi wrote: "Neil Young is my favorite, but I'm "branching out" and discovering other great artists." Good idea in this case. I suspect that Joni was one of Neil's favorites, too. For evidence, I point you to the Neil Young classic "Sweet Joni From Saskatoon". If you can take a good punch, that is. Joni attests that her "The Circle Game" was a reply to Neil's "Sugar Mountain", and acknowledges a certain similarity in the Canadian prairie- influenced stridency of their melodies. Another moment (at least, this is how my imagination interprets it) is the little triangle in The Last Waltz, where I get the sense that Neil is trying to get Joni's attention (again ?) but she's got her eye on Robbie Robertson. Anyone else get that feeling ? Earlier, Matt offered "I have a decent amount of (mostly Neil Young) stuff to trade if anyone has this show to trade, please let me know. I'd also be interested in any Joni VCD's, if they are out there." Trade or no trade, there is quite a fair amount of Joni video kicking around on this list, shared among most of us one way or the other. Available commercially on DVD - in addition to PWWAM - are the truly classic "Shadows and Light" concert video (one of the great works of art - and from 1979 yet), Refuge of the Road (almost 1/2 as good, thus well worth seeing) and the American Masters biography/tribute "JM - Woman of Heart and Mind" in case you're interested in her story well told - with quite a bit of musical content - in 90 minutes. The other stuff includes (but is not limited to), in chronological order: 1965-66 A tape of Joni at some Canadian hootenanny shows "Let's Sing Out" 1970 The Pink Dress concert from the BBC (she was really something back then": 1975 A chunk of a Joni concert at the Victoria Theatre in London (BBC 'Whistle Test') 1995 A "Live and Interactive" show with Joni playing for a small CBC audience There are also tape trees of Joni TV appearances, etc. and more, too. Someone can help you with that (I'm not your technical man). Bob Sartorius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:02:10 +0100 (CET) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: A question about love As I said on the list the other day I have developed this (bad) habit of quoting Joni at all times. Especially when I like someone, when I am in love, I quote her, then often to state the unsucessfulnes of my love-project. So I was wondering does loving Jonis music lead to less luck in love? Anyway I always end of by quoting "Don't give yourself away" for myself. My love-life would surely be much more succesful listening to easy happy-go lucky Britney Spears / Justin music. Then I would just conqueer both the dance-floor and the rest of world as well. Or listening to Madonna. Yeah! But then again, would I be happy? Superficiality is seldom good comfort at the end of the day . As Joni put it about her fellow musician Madonna, "Okay she has been in the business, suceeded, but at what costs..." (not correctly quoted) So, any suggestions/solutions? Maybe Joni has the answer again. Like the fab. Mike Leigh movie: "Career girls," where the girls at all times confered with "Wuthering heights": "Oh ,Brvnte, Brvnte, how will my love life be...?" Oh, Joni, gimme your answering song Yours Oddmund /Norway NB:Marvin Gaye, God is love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:33:20 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc Forgive one, one has a cold in the nose and one feels a little forgetful.... but as you know, as I am Queen....That Scottish place is one of my dominions (still??? I think????) My mum had a couple of houses there!!!! BIG GRIN... What I meant was Donovan was not from across the pond........ Lulu, back from the capital having spent the prevoius night seeing THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA!!!!!!!!! HOW INCREDIBLE THAT WAS.... Lulu mike pritchard wrote: >>>For me he [Donovan] has the same sort of instant recall of times and > places as Joni does. Perhaps dare I say it, more so as he is English. << > > No Lucy, you dare not say it. I know you are the Queen of England, but > a little sensitivity please to those north of the border and also to > us Taffs living, or in my case formerly living, to the west. Actually > Donovan Leitch was born on May 10, 1946, Glasgow, Scotland. ;-) > > mike in barcelona > > NP The Island Years by John Cale (born Glamorgan, Wales, 1942) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:36:03 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: H a P p Y K a T e D a Y !!! -- njc Yay KATE...happy happies and many many merries... Queen Lulu. Smurf wrote: >A little birdie told me that Jody the Birthday >Reminder told the Birthday Fairy and the Birthday >Gnome about it being Kate Bennett's BD today and that >the BF and the BG immediately scuttled off to Kate's >back yard to wish her a happy day. > >Pictures here: > >http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/rnr/61448625.html > > >Happy birthday, Kate. > >XO, > >--Smurf > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:02:33 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: The Saffron Gates njc I haven't found the merrit in this project. .. and don't think I will. Marianne From: "David Henderson" Yes, saffron like Cristo's Gates . . . strangely ugly gates, like tent flaps marking the entrance to nothingness, imho. Still, all art is subjective. It's an historical time. For a hundred years, people will refer to and post photos of The Gates. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:09:40 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: academy award party njc Bree is cooking me a tofu durry dish on this sunny sunday. . and she wants me to ask you: What are you all doing for your academy award parites tonight? She's imagining making little award chocolate statues. . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:05:36 -0500 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: academy award party =?ISO-8859-1?B?oG5qYw==?= Hi Marianne and hi Bree: Tell you what I'm gonna do: - -First, this morning, I'm reading the New York Times Magazine; they've done a fab job with a long photo essay on actors from the best films of the year...and Eastwood is on the cover, who I'm increasingly convinced is the genius director of our time, on par with Kubrick, Scorcese and Welles. What a trifecta: Unforgiven...Mystic River...and now my favorite of the year...Million Dollar Baby. Hillary Swank has kinda bumped Renee Zellweger from my lofty "cinematic darling" perch...but I don't hand out a statuette for achieving that. - -Then, this afternoon, time permitting, I'm going to watch "Collateral" on DVD. Jamie Foxx is nominated for that along with his nom for "Ray," and I'm curious as to what he's done in the lessor talked about flick...could he walk away with two? Nah! Not a snowball's chance, do you think? - -I should probably eat at some point. Let's do Chinese...no Thai, with lots of extra peanut sauce and plenty of noodles. And I'm thinking top shelf margaritas, with Gran Marnier instead of triple sec and I'm gonna squeeze some fresh lime juice from the ones I got at the farmer's market yesterday...and I've got some tequila in the back of the liquor cabinet that's older than Don Quixote...let's break the seal on that bad boy, shall we? Uh huh. I knew you were gonna say that. (I should mention that I've still gotta get Gail to sign off on all this...and she does reserve line item veto authority over even my best laid Academy Award party plans :-) - -And while we're sipping and munching, we'll of course endure the incessant drone of the pre-game show blah, blah, blahing about who's wearing whom, and there will be world-class brown-nosing of the movie stars by the starmaker machinist sychophants with microphones in their fists. And the magic carpet ride. I just love the popular culture spectacle of it all. What do you suppose they had in ancient Rome that would be the equivalent of this? Hmmmm... - -Then I'll watch the show and will try to keep an open mind as one who thinks that Chris Rock is quite unfunny and rather unpleasantly loud. But like I said...I'm keeping an open mind. I want Morgan to win, I want Hilary to win, I want that "Weeping Camel" documentary to win, I want "Ray" to win...I wish "Sideways" was nominated. I want "Million..." to win for lighting and editing, which were incredible in that movie...and I want it to win for Screenplay, too, because it was finally a movie about poor people in America with dignity and honor. Nuf said. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:12:09 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Ray Charles NJC Hello Music Fans - I watched the DVD of Ray last night, and I would highly recommend it. I cannot imagine that anyone else could win the Academy Award for best actor tonight - extraordinary, exciting performance. I completely forgot it was Jamie Foxx within five minutes. I don't really agree with the critics who say the movie is too glossy; the movies does gloss over the issues of racism and drug addiction a bit because there's so much to cover, but all of the issues of his life (including all of the prejudice he suffered because he was blind which never even occurred to me) is strongly represented. There's a lot of great, great female performances in this movie too - the actresses who play his mother, his wife, his first mistress and especially, his second mistress. The most interesting thing: I had no idea he was such an innovator in the music world - at times a very controversial innovator - even though I've owned Ray Charles records for about 20 years. Excellent film. Enjoy the awards! David NP Ray Charles duets CD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:12:19 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: academy award party  njc Julius! Bree and I are giving you an award for your way with words. . . your wrting is EXCELLENT! We will toast one to you tonight. Thanks. XO Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: JRMCo1@aol.com To: treegreen1@hotmail.com ("Marianne Rizzo"), joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: academy award party njc Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:05:36 -0500 Hi Marianne and hi Bree: Tell you what I'm gonna do: - -First, this morning, I'm reading the New York Times Magazine; they've done a fab job with a long photo essay on actors from the best films of the year...and Eastwood is on the cover, who I'm increasingly convinced is the genius director of our time, on par with Kubrick, Scorcese and Welles. What a trifecta: Unforgiven...Mystic River...and now my favorite of the year...Million Dollar Baby. Hillary Swank has kinda bumped Renee Zellweger from my lofty "cinematic darling" perch...but I don't hand out a statuette for achieving that. - -Then, this afternoon, time permitting, I'm going to watch "Collateral" on DVD. Jamie Foxx is nominated for that along with his nom for "Ray," and I'm curious as to what he's done in the lessor talked about flick...could he walk away with two? Nah! Not a snowball's chance, do you think? - -I should probably eat at some point. Let's do Chinese...no Thai, with lots of extra peanut sauce and plenty of noodles. And I'm thinking top shelf margaritas, with Gran Marnier instead of triple sec and I'm gonna squeeze some fresh lime juice from the ones I got at the farmer's market yesterday...and I've got some tequila in the back of the liquor cabinet that's older than Don Quixote...let's break the seal on that bad boy, shall we? Uh huh. I knew you were gonna say that. (I should mention that I've still gotta get Gail to sign off on all this...and she does reserve line item veto authority over even my best laid Academy Award party plans :-) - -And while we're sipping and munching, we'll of course endure the incessant drone of the pre-game show blah, blah, blahing about who's wearing whom, and there will be world-class brown-nosing of the movie stars by the starmaker machinist sychophants with microphones in their fists. And the magic carpet ride. I just love the popular culture spectacle of it all. What do you suppose they had in ancient Rome that would be the equivalent of this? Hmmmm... - -Then I'll watch the show and will try to keep an open mind as one who thinks that Chris Rock is quite unfunny and rather unpleasantly loud. But like I said...I'm keeping an open mind. I want Morgan to win, I want Hilary to win, I want that "Weeping Camel" documentary to win, I want "Ray" to win...I wish "Sideways" was nominated. I want "Million..." to win for lighting and editing, which were incredible in that movie...and I want it to win for Screenplay, too, because it was finally a movie about poor people in America with dignity and honor. Nuf said. - -Julius _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:22:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Saffron Gates njc Ars gratia artis. Art for art's sake. (Money for God's sake.) Not that I'm suggesting I get it or condone it either, but I'm sure that's what the explanation is. --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > I haven't found the merrit in this project. .. and > don't think I will. > > Marianne > > > From: "David Henderson" > > Yes, saffron like Cristo's Gates . . . strangely > ugly gates, like tent flaps > marking the entrance to nothingness, imho. Still, > all art is subjective. > It's an historical time. For a hundred years, > people will refer to and post > photos of The Gates. > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:33:16 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Graham Nash Teach Your Children NJC I'm participating in a Sing For Your Life workshop this weekend in Winterpeg, with Shivon Robinsong. One of the songs we are singing in four part harmony is Graham Nash's Teach Your Children. I've always loved this song so much, and never really paid full attention to the meaning of the lyrics. In this workshop, we read the lyrics first and get them into our bodies,, and lay down the music and go for it. ( Oh I am in awe of the harmony that CSNY brings to life. And now, within the arms of this blissful wonderful weekend of song and celebration for what our voices can bring to the world in terms of harmony and peace...we are performing Teach Your Children this afternoon!. Our concert begins around 4 pm until 5, today. I dont have any CSNY anymore (wot???? tis true) so would someone please have a listen and let me know how it works in their original song? Most appreciated if you can do so in the next wee while prior to my going off to todays workshop segment.. Oh , imagine this song in gorgeous four part harmony, with the secret song threaded, weaving in and out, in the most beautiful ways. At the end, the Bass (wonderful energy there) leads, then the sopranos pick up in the second line, then the altos, then the tenors, and the entire group then sings it about four times, and we end up on a high note....fantastic! We've got a guitarist and a percussionist, and we stand in a circle, in sections, SATB, and with shouldertoshoulder, the most amazing sound rises . There will most likely be a recording of our concert; so I'll do a SCJoniguy and do up a copy for you if you send an SASE, with a blank..or money to cover the cost of a disc . the lyrics for the secret song : Can you hear and do you care And can you see we must be free To teach our children what we believe in Make a world that we can live in Ah, if you've made it this far, there IS Joni content....Shivon went on and on about the genious of Joni Mitchell in general and her new version of Both Sides Now, in particular. Obviously another fan in our midst ;-) Mags npimh:can you hear and do you care....................... (it's all about truly listening from our hearts, to what is and is not said). "within the silence, is everything we need to say to one another". gh. Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: stress relief, healing and compassion NJC words from one of the heart people on the list, Brian, I've lost your original post about stress relief, however, just wanted to say that I am glad you are finding peace and healing in your life. When we bring compassion and forgiveness in, inner mountains cannot help but move. Mags. np: BSN Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:49:32 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #94 Re: Gimme a Song The only sensible way to pick your joni track is to get a bowler hat and cut up strips of paper into as many pieces as there are joni songs, writing one song on each piece of paper. Put them all into the hat and then nip out to your nearest neighbor and ask them to pick the song. If your not happy with doing it that way then you can get as many people as you have songs to pick one out until you are left with one song in the hat and that will be the song you put on the compilation. If you don't have as many friends as there are joni songs then you can positon yourself on the concourse of your nearest railway station at rush hour or if you live in the country, sit down in the busiest field and wait for the sheep to get interested, or the cows, or the horses...or the farm hands....or the farmer....or the pigs and chickens. If that doesnt appeal you could number your albums then number the songs on each album then call your friend and ask him to pick a number between 1 and however many joni cds you have, and then pick a number between one and the number of songs on that cd. And that way he would have chosen the joni song himself...Sorted. Clive xx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:56:50 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Sondre DAVID MARINE WROTE: >Norway is the home of the gorgeously brilliant Sondre Lerche. His >musicianship is extraordinary, dazzling, and has been growing by leaps >and bounds over the last two years. And he is only 21 years old!!! >There is no musician working today who is more exciting and worthwhile >than Sondre. I have seen him live twice here in Los Angeles and both >times he took my breath away. He's the real thing. Check him out at >www.sondrelerche.com. I could not have said it better myself. Dead Passengers (brilliant, the album version), You Know So Well, All Luck Ran Out (love the steel guitar sound), this guy's f***ing cool. He reminds me of another fave, Aimee Mann - he's like her fun, extroverted brother. I have not seen him live, but I'm going when he comes here in NYC in April. I think he's about to go to Italy, England and Ireland before the States. Do you know how to say his name? David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:36:21 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Graham Nash Teach Your Children NJC Hi Mags- I was listening to this song just the other day. Neil isn't singing on any of the songs on Deja Vu except his, so the original is three parts. The cool thing is how they switch parts during the song. I think Nash starts on the low part, and Croz on hi (the opposite of usual), then they switch it around. I would have to listen again to remember exactly...anyway, have a great workshop, and sing from the gut! RR mags h wrote: > I'm participating in a Sing For Your Life workshop this weekend in Winterpeg, with Shivon Robinsong. One of the songs we are singing in four part harmony is Graham Nash's Teach Your Children. I've always loved this song so much, and never really paid full attention to the meaning of the lyrics. In this workshop, we read the lyrics first and get them into our bodies,, and lay down the music and go for it. ( > > Oh I am in awe of the harmony that CSNY brings to life. And now, within the arms of this blissful wonderful weekend of song and celebration for what our voices can bring to the world in terms of harmony and peace...we are performing Teach Your Children this afternoon!. Our concert begins around 4 pm until 5, today. > > I dont have any CSNY anymore (wot???? tis true) so would someone please have a listen and let me know how it works in their original song? Most appreciated if you can do so in the next wee while prior to my going off to todays workshop segment.. Oh , imagine this song in gorgeous four part harmony, with the secret song threaded, weaving in and out, in the most beautiful ways. > > At the end, the Bass (wonderful energy there) leads, then the sopranos pick up in the second line, then the altos, then the tenors, and the entire group then sings it about four times, and we end up on a high note....fantastic! We've got a guitarist and a percussionist, and we stand in a circle, in sections, SATB, and with shouldertoshoulder, the most amazing sound rises . > > There will most likely be a recording of our concert; so I'll do a SCJoniguy and do up a copy for you if you send an SASE, with a blank..or money to cover the cost of a disc . > > the lyrics for the secret song : > > Can you hear and do you care > And can you see we must be free > To teach our children what we believe in > Make a world that we can live in > > > Ah, if you've made it this far, there IS Joni content....Shivon went on and on about the genious of Joni Mitchell in general and her new version of Both Sides Now, in particular. Obviously another fan in our midst ;-) > > > Mags > > npimh:can you hear and do you care....................... > (it's all about truly listening from our hearts, to what is and is not said). > > "within the silence, is everything we need to say to one another". gh. > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Graham Nash Teach Your Children NJC Mags, I for one am interested as to how you get the lyrics into your bodies...do you have to swallow the songbook pages in their entirety, or can you slice and dice them into more bite-size pieces? Perhaps whip them into a nice omelette, or blend them with some fruit juices into a healthy drink?...then again, maybe you're not taking them orally...eeeew, best not to think about other alternatives. And it's a good idea to read them BEFORE you get them into your body, no? In any case, it really shows a certain amount of dedication to your art. When I was in high school I used to put my notes under my pillow, hoping the knowledge would enter my brain through some sort of osmosis. Hope you break a leg sis and forgive my silliness...here's the track if you want to hear the boys doing it. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Used Cars" (new acoustic one coming out in April - yay! ) Mags said: < In this workshop, we read the lyrics first and get them into our bodies,, > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type audio/x-ms-wma which had a name of 02 Teach Your Children.wma] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:44:24 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms NJC Fabio Paz writes: > PLEASE stop stalking me! Boy and you have a thing for those back ground > whooooo oooo oooo oooo things don't you?? > No I believe the lyrics are: "You look so youthful Time has been untruthful" Naaaaaaaahhhh However, this does apply to you in Nawlins "Hot days your haltertop's undone" You are right about me having a thing for background vocals though! Looking forward to doing my "Song for Sharons" whooooo ooooooooooo oooooo with you on the cruise! xoxo Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:06:37 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels Hi, gang, I'm pleased to learn the the boys from Steely Dan picked a Joni favorite for the Starbuck's comp. I seem to remember an interview, possibly from Rolling Stone (and these boys are/were infamous for being as perverse/non-communicative about their own music and their opinions about others') in which they made painfully (to me) snide remarks about Joni's foray into jazz -- I think it may have been around Aja/Gaucho and Hissing/Heijira/DJRD. Since I so love their mix of jazz and blues and funk and anything else on the table, I thought back then that they and Joni ought to belong to a mutual admiration society -- I *do* seem to remember that Joni had some pretty nice things to say about *them*, at least at one point. Fagin and Becker have also been quoted as admiring Bacharach's work, esp. "In Between the Heartaches", one of the more astonishing he ever wrote (with Hal David's equally astonishing lyrics, of course); the fadeout has one of the most complex time signatures and use of triplets, and I think, even a quintuplet, over an extended measure (although the published version, which I no longer have, simplified this, I always thought the simplified version was wrong -- the real thing would have given most non-professional musicians an aneurism, like the fade out to "Car on a Hill"). Another of the many paralleles between BB and JM is the use of an extended (5/4) measure very near the beginning of a song, not necessarily to throw people off, but because it fits the lyrics. "Facelift" does this -- drove me crazy 'til I finally got the sheet music -- and a very little known song called "Don't Say I Didn't Tell You So" by Bacharach/David and sung by Dionne, starts with an otherworldly cha-cha rhythm, onto to stick on a 5/4 in the first sung measure!! Finally: Is Joni's semi-promise to someday put out a Christmas album a foregone conclusion? Rhino got Michael Franks to do one (all his own compositions, I believe) and Carly also. If Joni was pleased with Dreamland, maybe *they* could get her to record it? Random thoughts, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:08:32 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Harley and the pussycats (njc) Hi, all, All this talk about motorcycles brought back a memory: I wear a leather baseball cap for when it rains enough to be slightly annoying, but not enough to bother with an umbrella. I'd lost my last one at some point, and a good friend of mine, when she heard, said, "Oh!" and ran and got one from her closet -- it had belonged to another gay male friend of hers who had died. Unlike my previous caps, it had the Harley logo on it, which gave me pause, since I'm not particularly fond of motorcycles. I've only had, I think, four rides on one as a passenger, and I feared for my life each time, except the last. (1) First time, I was maybe 11, and a neighbor in his twenties had bought one (I don't know what make) and was giving kids in the nighborhood short rides. I didn't want to refuse becuase (a) younger ckids than I had already gone on rides and not died, and (b) the guy was hot (yes, I was gay at 10), and it meant holding on to him, especially on the corners. This was the last time the the driver of a motorcycle weighed more than I did as a passenger, which probably didn't bode well. (2) Second time, I was 15 -- I was attending college at night (still in high school during the day), and a friend, who also taught at the high school I attended, drove me into Rhode Island College for the night classes because he took one of them, too (my dad woulod pick me up after the second class). Norman, who I had a crush on, of course, had *mentioned* that he had bought a motorcycle, and I had desultorily said, "Oh, that's nice." He took that to mean it was all right for him to pick me up on it and drive me to 10 miles to the college. I should say that at 15, I didn't weigh anymore than Norm did, but I was a shitload taller -- 6'4" to his 5'9". I silently screamed all the way to the college that one time -- oh, and I had to wear his wife's helmet, which sat neatly *on top of* my head, which did not protect it, but did make it top-heavy. I think I came within an inch of losing my kneecaps three times when Norm, forgetting my relative height, slunk down between lanes of cars to get to the traffic light and save maybe ten seconds of travel time. (3) Third time, this was in the '80's, I was visiting Denver, and was at their famous gay leather bar, the Triangle (if memory serves me), and I met a nice-looking guy dressed in motorcycle gear, which didn't necessarily mean anything, since so was I. It was a stormy night -- some of the most impressive thunderstorms i've ever seen have been in Denver. When we went to the parking lot to get in his (I thought) car, it was a HUGE motorcycle; honestly, it was the biggest thing I'd ever seen, it even had a stereo. I looked at the sky, which was flashing, and wondered (a) how long before the rains came, and (b) how horny was I? Naturally, I got on, of course the guest helmet was too small for me again, and the answer to the rain question was: almost immediately, and torentially. Lightening struck within inches of us several times, or so it seemed. I would have kissed the ground when I finally got to his house, except that I would have drowned. To make matters worse, after we'd finished our business, his two cats (In a Mr. Rogers voice: Did you know cats were nocturnal? Sure yuh did.) took turns climbing on top of a high shelf in the bedroom and divebombing me (not my friend, who slept like a log). Fortunately, I so love animals that I thought it was amusing. I got no sleep, and it should go without saying that I elected to catch a bus in the morning. [Another cat aside, motorcycle-free this time. This is around '90, shortly after I moved here to San Francisco. I met a lovely guy who lived right in the Castro, and I went home with him. He had a huge, great, friendly cat who looked exactly like Warner Brother's Sylvester (the one whom Tweety taught he taw). Sylvester put Denver-guy's cats to shame. He had to crawl up a round-runged ladder, step by tortuous step, often falling and having to start over, just to get to the loft under which we were sleeping, and divebomb us from up there. This was a cat with *commitment*. I can't remember ever laughing so hard. Who says cats don't have a sense of humor?] The fourth and final time I ever rode on a cycle is sort of an anticlimax -- it was with a trusted friend who'd heard all of the above stories, and understood my jitters. He was an expert rider, and although I was, as usual, bigger than he, he drove so smoothly that I was fine by the time we got to his place. And no cats. Warm fuzzy hugs to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Re: gimme a song something early, I'd pick: Tin Angel (oh so dark and beautiful) something later, I say: Edith and the Kingpin (moody, mysterious, dangling) good luck with the compilation! Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:43:17 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 FAR be it for me to correct the master of all Joni info, but this is a little bit wrong. The ONLY reason I know this is because of my extensive queerness for the VG-8 AND the Parker Concert Fly guitar. She DID NOT use the Parker at Jazz Fest. She used a modified Strat with a GK-2A pick up on it. She stayed up all night in a hotel in New Orleans with Gary programming those crazy patches that she used for that show. BTW there is a remastered version of that show done by our own MarkD that sounds a lot better than other versions I have heard. Also at that point TCCOL was still called Loves Cries. Best Paz NP-Loves Cries-Joni from Jazz Fest > Matt Mc wrote: > > JONI MITCHELL: NEW ORLEANS JAZZ AND HERITAGE FESTIVAL > MAY 6, 1995> > > Howdy Matt - I've got it, it's a great show and actually quite a landmark show > in Joni history as she was ready to call it quits when she got the combination > of the Parker Fly electric and the VG8 that remembers all her tunings. She > played this gig with the notion that if it worked for her she'd continue on. > > I particularly like the "Sex Kills" in her set; she uses the fuzztone setting > on the VG8 and gives it a real snarling angry sound. > > The full setlist: > > 1. Sex Kills > > 2. Moon At The Window > > 3. Magdalene Laundries > > 4. Refuge of the Roads > > 5. Night Ride Home > > 6. Crazy Cries of Love > > 7. Yvette in English > > 8. Just Like This Train > > 9. Three Great Stimulants > > 10. Amelia > > 11. Hejira > > 12. Happiness is the Best Facelift > 13. Song For Sharon > > > Bob > NP: Randy Newman, "Sail Away" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:29:58 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: H a P p Y K a T e D a Y !!! -- njc Happy Biirthday Kate. I am off to the bar to make me a chilled Gordon's and toast you. I am right behind you of course even tho I am SO much younger than you are I am celebrating the big 5-0 (and I don't mean Hawaii) next month. They are having a party for me here in New Orleans on Saturday March 26 a few days before the actual date, so we will party right thru. You are ALL invited. Stick around WallyFacio, it's only one more month. Besides there are so many things waiting for you here in New Orleans (pun intended). Paz > A little birdie told me that Jody the Birthday > Reminder told the Birthday Fairy and the Birthday > Gnome about it being Kate Bennett's BD today and that > the BF and the BG immediately scuttled off to Kate's > back yard to wish her a happy day. > > Pictures here: > > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/rnr/61448625.html > > > Happy birthday, Kate. > > XO, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:42 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gimme a song Garret You have a REAL problem there! You could just send everything. In lieu of that I would send Down To You, Same Situation, Cold Blue Steel, Two Grey Rooms, Chinese Cafi, Song For Sharon, Hejira, Let The Wind Carry Me, For The Roses....... Paz (not VERY helpful huh???) > I have been struggling to come up with a compilation cd to send to a friend. > I > want to put one joni track on it. I have spent nearly two months trying to > decide which one. It is hard. > I was thinking Carey, Cold Blue Steel, Rainy night House, harry's house, dry > cleaner or turbulent indigo. > > Throw me a line people, i'm not decisive enough to do this on my own (i have > included thigns like Nin aSimone, Janis Joplin, Death Cab for cutie, gillian > Welchj, television, susana baca but can't pick a joni track). > he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden > music appeals to him. > we all know that joni specialises in those "portraits of disapppintment" not > sure if she is doom-laden. so what one song would you give to a music fan > that > doesn't know the music of joni mitchell? eh? > GARRET > > np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus bashers > have to like this one. don't they?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:24:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms PLEASE stop stalking me! Boy and you have a thing for those back ground whooooo oooo oooo oooo things don't you?? Paz NP-Banquet-Red Rocks '83 > In a message dated 2/26/2005 12:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > >> Why does everybody like this song? It is so overblown &way too "pop" for my >> tastes. I don't hate it, but it doesn't do too much for me. >> >> > > I personally love Two Grey Rooms for a few reasons. > I like the story behind the song, and there was one time long ago I felt like > the character behind the song.........staring out the window just to look for > this person. > I also like when Joni plays the piano. > I love the harmony when Joni sings "with a vieeeeewww". I get chills down my > spine. > > I don't find the song "pop" at all. Sure, the lyrics aren't as deep as a lot > of her songs, yet I don't find it to be a "pop" song. It's a pleasantly sad > song to me (if that makes any sense), and the way Joni starts NRH with such a > fun song "NRH", and ends the album with "Two Grey Rooms" is brilliant. NRH is > in my top 3 Joni albums. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:20:26 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: no piano songs We could have an old fashioned "sit-in" outside her home.. Of course let's wait till the mud stops moving around out there. Paz > David Henderson wrote: >>> From: "McMillan Brad" >>> Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity >> >>> You talkin' Joni piano songs? I love River, For Free and Richard. >>> What's wrong with those? >>> - ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" >>> To: "JMDL" >>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity >>> NO MORE PIANO SONGS! THANK GOD WE'VE BEEN DELIVERED FROM THOSE! >> >> Yeah, Lama, what's up with that? You don't like any of Joni's piano >> songs? I think some are tops: Court & Spark, Richard, Chinese Cafe >> and Two Grey Rooms. >> >> David > > I think Lama needed a sarcasm emoticon for this post. The original idea, I > believe, was to use > reverse psychology on Joni in the hope that she would produce new material. > Not just new material, > but material done in particular ways that people here would like to see her > re-visit. > > I say don't hold your breath, people. I don't think Ms. Joan can be > manipulated so easily. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:15:37 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson Dems is fighting words bitch! I won't kill you but I am coming over to scratch your eyes out. Tom Robbins and John Irving are two of my faves. I have the latest on Villa Incognito on deck waiting for the right time. I am going on a Blues Cruise March 18-21 as the resident production guy. Three days of cruising the mighty Mississippi with a bunch of blues players including my pal Henry Butler. I have to work about 8-10 hours out of the 3 days so the rest of the time will be reading and playing my guitar. Paz NP-The Oscar pre show > I'm not much of a Tom Robbins fan, either, but I did like Jitterbug Perfume. > > Jerry, the other librarian :) > >> >> Yeah, I did. Reminds me of another of my favorite writers, Tom >> Robbins. (Now everyone: watch Deb Messling throw his books across >> the room.) >> >> ; ) >> >> Lori >> >> ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:45:26 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc That was the Yes Going For The One tour. I caught it in New Orleans and Donavan was a great extra treat. Years later I had the opportunity to work with Donovan and his son (who was his road manager at the time). We hung out for a couple of days while he was doing a show at a club called Storyville that my friend was managing. She called me and begged me to pick them up at the airport cause she was having car trouble and needed someone to help her out. He thought I was meant to be his driver for the entire time he was here even though I was hired to provide sound equipment for the gig. He begged me not to have someone else come pick him up and he preferred that I pick him up for the show etc. I gladly obliged. After a great gig (where I begged him to play Intergalactic Laxative which he did not) we went for a ride up world famous St. Charles Ave. which is lined with huge oak trees. We were quite stoned at the time and we talked of the Beatles, and the Maharishi, and the glorious old hippie days. It was so surreal and quite a treat for me as I was a huge fan of his music. I always covered Season of the Witch, Catch the Wind, Mellow Yellow, Sunshine Superman, and a few others. I took him up to see Mason Rufner playing at Tipitina's who was just finishing. We went back stage and hung out for awhile and more stories and more stoned. I wish I had some fotos of that time as it was one of the more special times of meeting a hero of mine and it turning out to be a really pleasant experience. Best Paz NP-Song For Sharon-Joni At Red Rocks 1983 > I wonder if Donovan is doing his old stuff in concert these days. > I saw him once around 79 or 80 opening for YES (or some version of it) > and as I recall Donovan wasn't doing the old stuff much. To my great > disappointment. But maybe things have changed. Ha! it was 25 years > ago..I guess things have changed... > Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:31:07 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Ray Charles NJC Haven't seen the Oscar nominated movies yet. Not the least bit interested in seeing most of them after the dreck Hollywood has glorified over the past few years. Tod and I did watch Alexander and Troy, both completely forgettable. Couldn't even get through Alexander and thoroughly enjoyed the Irish accent of the young Alex. Colin Farrell must be one of the worst actors in history of film. Coach Carter is a very good film. Don't get to watch much anymore but enjoyed reading of the Bree-Mar plans for the evening. Not a Ray Charles fan but did always think he was an interesting man. Disheartened to read of mistress one and mistress two. Won't waste my money on that. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Henderson" To: "Joni Mitchell List" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Ray Charles NJC > Hello Music Fans - I watched the DVD of Ray last night, and I would highly > recommend it. I cannot imagine that anyone else could win the Academy Award > for best actor tonight - extraordinary, exciting performance. I completely > forgot it was Jamie Foxx within five minutes. I don't really agree with the > critics who say the movie is too glossy; the movies does gloss over the > issues of racism and drug addiction a bit because there's so much to cover, > but all of the issues of his life (including all of the prejudice he > suffered because he was blind which never even occurred to me) is strongly > represented. There's a lot of great, great female performances in this movie > too - the actresses who play his mother, his wife, his first mistress and > especially, his second mistress. > > The most interesting thing: I had no idea he was such an innovator in the > music world - at times a very controversial innovator - even though I've > owned Ray Charles records for about 20 years. Excellent film. > Enjoy the awards! > > David > NP Ray Charles duets CD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:29:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms now NRH We had a fun gig last night playing at our favorite mountain hideaway roadhouse joint where sometimes people like to dance (to folk songs?)... the crowd was in a dancing mood after one of my music partners played a mellow rocker & I was at a loss for how to follow that & still please the crowd but was inspired to try 'night ride home'... people dancing to a Joni Mitchell song! The best two worlds colliding! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 NJC Michael Paz wrote: Well hey, at least I wasn't ALL wrong, so I get partial credit! Anyways, I'm not the master of anything, except maybe my own domain, especially on the weekends. Thanks for the additional info Michael - I'll remember it and next time I'll be all right. And thanks too to Matt for inquiring about this show - it enabled me to enjoy it once again. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Chewing Gum" Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: One would certainly think so, but since she's become "Our Lady Of Endless Compilation & Recycling" you can't count it out. She's become one those pain-in-the-butt retirees who keeps coming back into the office and hanging out after retirement. Shoot, Joni, if you hate the business so much, why keep feeding it with more recycled product? Doesn't make any sense to me. Bob NP: Albert King, "Won't Be Hanging Around" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:41:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc Lucky you! So happy to know he was a mellow yellow sunshine superman (unlike the famous mr stink (as my son when he was young used to call him)... >Years later I had the opportunity to work with Donovan and his son (who was his road manager at the time).. I wish I had some fotos of that time as it was one of the more special times of meeting a hero of mine and it turning out to be a really pleasant experience. Best Paz< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:48:49 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Fwd: Pictures of Wally -- NJC > From today's celebration of Wally: > > http://sandiego.craigslist.org/rnr/61560317.html > > http://dublin.craigslist.org/rnr/61561099.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:53:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Numa Numa Dance -- NJC Funny in a weird way ... kind of like that that comedian (forgetting his name now, he died young- was latka? on Taxi) who did the 'mighty mouse' song with a turntable, mixed with steve martin & dan ackyrod's wild & crazy guys mixed with those more recent SNL disco bar guys... >This made me laugh a lot: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/26/nyregion/26video.html? Be sure to click on the link to the video, within the text of the article and about half-way down the page. - - --Smurf< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #96 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)