From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #92 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 092 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- on Joni's unpopularity [Oddmund Kaarevik ] melanie and donovan njc [Lucy Hone ] re: mike's little secrete NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: on Joni's unpopularity [Bob Muller ] Re: on Joni's unpopularity/Hornby [Smurf ] Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc [Vince Lavieri ] Nellie McKay - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc [Em ] Starbucks, Joni, and coffee, but no cat poop [Brian Gross ] Remastered "Paprika Plains" ["c Karma" ] Re: Remastered "Paprika Plains" [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Ruth Davis" ] Pat Metheny in the news, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson [Lori Fye ] Re: Remastered "Paprika Plains" [Lori Fye ] Gimme a song [Garret ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson [Em ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Wally gets the snow he wanted -- njc ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Gimme a song ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Gimme a song [Lori Fye ] Re: Gimme a song [Garret ] Re: Gimme a song [djp ] Re: Gimme a song [Garret ] Re: Gimme a song... now Rufus njc [Garret ] Re: Gimme a song [Lori Fye ] Re: Gimme a song [djp ] Re: Gimme a song [Garret ] Re: Gimme a song ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson [Lori Fye ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson [Jerry Notaro ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson [Lori Fye ] Re: Gimme a song njc ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:41:28 +0100 (CET) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: on Joni's unpopularity I have to tell you a story. The story on how I discovered Joni. Well my first Joni experience was with the Chifietans "Tears of a stone," Joni has the best version of Magdelen Laundries I have heard 'till day. I was visiting my brother in S.F. Feeling depresses and closeted, Jonis voice set me free Back in Norway, two things happende simultanously. I borrowed "Blue" from my friend, and started to read Nick Hornby's "About a boy." Hornby has cruel passages where he hangs out Joni, and especially us, the fans'. Well instead of getting embaressed, it inspired me. I wanted to find out more about Joni. And about this phrase Hornby regardes as especially ridicolous: "Well somethings lost, and somethings gained in living everyday," from Both sides now. So I bought Joni Mitchells "Hits." My frst Joni cd. After that I always wanted to send Nick Hornby a thank you card. "Thanks for givning me Joni." It's so ironic, that his anti-joni propaganda, made me a whole-hearted Joni Mitchell fan. Joni lives within me. I think I quote her almost every day. Sometimes I fell that being a fan of Joni, comes close to a kind of madness. But what a heck, it's worth it. Have a brilliant day! Love Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:21:50 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: melanie and donovan njc Kate you used to be misatken for Melanie??? I used to dream of being able to sing her stuff well. I have her "candles in the rain" album (if I can find it) and it was one of my all time faves. In my top 50 list "Lay DOWN" is firmly in there with the Edwin HAwkins (???) Singers doing their stuff...FAntastic. I also loved the melody to the song with the lyrics "to the citiest people in the whole wide world, You've been unkind to an un-city girl From Stone walls you grew well I am not blaming you but look how the city the dirty old city Can take such a pretty and make an ugly of you" AS to Donovan.. met him once in the 80's. His son (i think it was his son) went out with a friends neice and he was at a party i went to. very quiet and sadly not up for a song (not that I asked) For me he has the same sort of instant recall of times and places as Joni does. Perhaps dare I say it, more so as he is English. I could also learn a lot of his songs easily as the tuning is not skewed. One of the first times I sang for other people was as a teenager, on the beach near me, round a fire, dressed in my cheesecloth maxi skirt and peasant blouse, cradling someones rather lovely Washburn and playing "Turquoise" "your smile beams like sunlight on a gulls wing and the leaves dance and play after you, Take my hand and hold it as you would a flower Take care with my heart, oh harling she's made of glass" Your eyes feel like silence resting on me and the birds cease to sing when you rise Ride easy your fairy stallion you have mounted take care how you fly my precious you might fall down In the pastel skies of sunset I have wandered with my eyes and ears and heart stained to the full I konw I tasted the essence in the few days take care who you love, my precious, he might not know" and it was one of those times I knew I HAD sung well, and I had not bummed a note, and at the end of it there was a cry of "OH MAN play that again" from the guy I fancied the most!!! In fact I probably know more Donovan songs end to end than I do Joni ones...its a close tie... I also gained far more of "NO WAR ON ANY COUNT AND NEVER IN MY NAME" from his "BAllad of a Crystal man" and "the war drags on"...than from any photograph or political ranting. I remember being drunk with friends and singing "try for the sun" and "Mellow Yellow"... My favourite rice flavouring is real Saffron. (it is a colour but also such a delicate flavour from, as you all know) the stamens of the Saffron Crocus. Nowadays I expect it is genetically modified and saffron still remains the most expensive weight for money commodity I believe. I digress.... I am going to have to put on the greatest hits now as I have a yearning for that harmonica riff on HEY GIP (dig the slowness) I must go and see if I can get melanie on CD. Its good to know she is still out there doing her stuff.... Thanks whoever started this for reminding me of more of my teen years......its great. Lucy who should be doing her work Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:53:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc Lucky you vince! I love Donovan... saffron is kind of orange (like cristo's gates) so not far colorwise from mellow yellow... Great Donavon songs- 'catch the wind', 'yellow is the color', 'gypsy boy', 'universal soldier' .. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:25:42 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: mike's little secrete NJC My favorite meal is: (a) Black pudding My favorite mode of travel is: (b) blood-red Ferrari My complexion is: (b) dark red, scarlety-crimsony-ish My favorite expression is: (a) bloody hell My friends say I'm: (b) bloody pedantic I live: (a) in a cabin in the Sangre de Cristo mountains My favourite animal (b) bloodhound My favourite car? (a) Chevrolet Impaler need I go on? mike in dracelona npimh - Black Sabbath - Come to the Sabbat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: on Joni's unpopularity Hey Oddmund, thanks for the introduction and the story. It is amazing how Joni is intertwined throughout music, arts and popular culture. Not always in obtrusive ways, but rather in subtle ways - I would never use the word "unpopular" in describing Joni. I was just telling Mrs. Scjoniguy last night, after a particularly good week of discovering Joni covers "just when you think you've snagged them all, you go fishing and there's a whole new flock...". And my mission is to hear every flocking one - and hey, a new edition of "Joni Covers" is right around the corner! But I digress...Oddmund, thanks again for writing and keep those posts coming. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "When Green Eyes Turn Blue" Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: on Joni's unpopularity/Hornby - --- Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > After that I always wanted to send Nick Hornby a > thank you card. "Thanks for givning me Joni." It's > so ironic, that his anti-joni propaganda, made me a > whole-hearted Joni Mitchell fan. > Hey, Oddmund -- welcome! And don't let old Nick Hornby fool you; he's a huge-ass Joni fan. I maintain the Joni in Fiction section of the JMDL.com website, and Hornby has three books there that mention Joni ("About a Boy," High Fidelity," and "Speaking with the Angel"). You can check it all out at << http://www.jmdl.com/fiction/ >>. I think he made the main character in "About a Boy" a Joni hater because the character is immature and has issues with women. But the fact is, Nick Hornby is the only writer in Joni in Fiction whose work gets three separate mentions. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:31:02 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc yeah, hearing those great Donovan songs will be wonderful! thanks - Vince Muskegon: my once and new home: Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us On Feb 25, 2005, at 2:53 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > Lucky you vince! I love Donovan... saffron is kind of orange (like > cristo's > gates) so not far colorwise from mellow yellow... > > Great Donavon songs- 'catch the wind', 'yellow is the color', 'gypsy > boy', > 'universal soldier' ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:31:22 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: melanie and donovan njc hi >all this talk about donovan just been browsing thru the pages at villagerecords & guess what - a re-release of donovans debut album - from 1965 other interesting releases - paul brady, cheryl wheeler, rory block, mary gauthier .................... ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:41:27 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Nellie McKay - NJC For you Nellie McKay fans out there, she will be starring with Alan Cummings and Edie Falco on Broadway next year in The Threepenny Opera. I saw the last incarnation with Sting and Maureen McGovern, but this looks very promising. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc I wonder if Donovan is doing his old stuff in concert these days. I saw him once around 79 or 80 opening for YES (or some version of it) and as I recall Donovan wasn't doing the old stuff much. To my great disappointment. But maybe things have changed. Ha! it was 25 years ago..I guess things have changed... Em - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > yeah, hearing those great Donovan songs will be wonderful! > > thanks - > > Vince > > Muskegon: my once and new home: > Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site > http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us > > On Feb 25, 2005, at 2:53 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > > > Lucky you vince! I love Donovan... saffron is kind of orange (like > > cristo's > > gates) so not far colorwise from mellow yellow... > > > > Great Donavon songs- 'catch the wind', 'yellow is the color', > 'gypsy > > boy', > > 'universal soldier' ... > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:20:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Starbucks, Joni, and coffee, but no cat poop In today's newspaper in Woonsocket MA (apparantly pronounced as if the 2nd and 3rd "o"s are silent): http://www.woonsocketcall.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14033672&BRD=1712&PAG=461&dept_id=24361&rfi=6 New brew out for local bean lovers RUSS OLIVO, Staff Writer 02/25/2005 WOONSOCKET -- The aroma of freshly brewed coffee and the silken strains of an old Joni Mitchell recording mingle in the air as Dan Andrade, sitting in a sofa-like chair, nibbles on a slice of banana loaf and leafs through a magazine. The soothing atmosphere of Starbucks Coffee was familiar to Andrade, a Verizon Communications manager from Smithfield who frequents the chain. But the view from the front window wasnt what he expected. Located across the street from a bowling alley and next door to Mattress Giant, the 10th Starbucks shop in Rhode Island recently opened at 1507 Diamond Hill Road. Andrade is used to seeing Starbucks stores situated amid the trendy retail shops near Brown University in Providence and the Garden City Shopping Center in Cranston -- not the biggest retail strip in blue-collar Woonsocket. But who knows, Andrade said while visiting the shop for the first time: "It could be a good sign." City officials think so. In a recent article in The Boston Globe, Mayor Susan D. Menard pointed to the new Starbucks as evidence that the onetime textile capital is drawing new life in the expanding economic orbit of Greater Boston. "Were perfectly located," she said, "And were changing the image of the city." Andrade may be walking proof of the mayors assertion. The 45-year-old communications executive commutes to a job in Braintree, Mass., every day. Perfect probably isnt a word hed use to describe the Starbucks location, but its good enough to get Andrade thinking about a morning detour to grab a cup of his favorite brew en route to the Interstate 295 onramp. Workers at the store didnt want to be quoted by name, but they say business has been more robust than expected since the unadvertised opening about two weeks ago. A more ceremonious grand opening is scheduled for March 9. The store has a seating capacity of about 20 people, and is one of only two locations in Rhode Island with a drive-through. Customers who subscribe to T-Mobile services can plug their laptop computers into the wall and log onto the Internet while sipping a cappuccino grande. "Its real coffee," says Suzanne Pouliot, an advertising sales representative and city councilwoman who hooted with joy when she heard Starbucks was coming to town. "It tastes like coffee." Starbucks is often ribbed about its comparatively high prices. The truth is you can buy a 12-ounce cup of basic coffee, in bold or mild blends, for $1.50 plus tax. Or you can pay $4.30 for a 20-ounce white chocolate mocha -- the most expensive beverage available. Starbucks also offers an assortment of other products, including fresh-baked pastries, bulk coffee, CDs of the folk and jazz music heard in its stores and espresso makers for the home. Inspired by the coffee bars of Milan, Italy, Starbucks was founded in Seattle in 1971. It is now one of the fastest-growing and most profitable restaurant companies in the United States. Howard Schultz, the founder and chairman, took the company public in 1992 with 125 stores, mostly on the West Coast. Today there are more than 9,000 Starbucks stores worldwide with gross revenues of $5.3 billion, according to the company. Corporate culture watchers give Starbucks high marks for how it treats its employees, known as "partners." Fortune 500 magazine, for the seventh year in a row, recently included Starbucks on its list of the top 100 employers in the country. Starbucks ranked 11th overall. )The Call 2005 Happy Friday everyone! Brian in south jersey, glad to see that the decaffination method applied to Indonesian coffee was not mentioned in the story ;-) ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:28:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity She still is heavy, though beautiful. Still does not drive. A friend of mine, Nadine Smith is the head of Florida Equality and lobbies for GLBT rights here in Florida (not too successfully with a Bush for Guv.) Her partner drives Melanie around as they are neighbors and friends. Her new stuff is very good. Old Bitch Warrior is a very good cd, as is her Live at Borders. Her live show are always wonderful. I saw her open for Art Garfunkul a few years back and I heard he was very pissed that the audience wouldn't let her get off the stage. Jerry > > WoW I did not know that! Do you have all of her stuff? Is it good. Does she > still have her baby fat? I loved her a long time ago. I need to look her up > on the old internet. > > > Paz > > NP-Free Man IN Paris > > BTW I was talking about you to a friend on the way back from Baton Rouge > this afternoon. My friend Rachel's brother lives in West Palm and I told her > I thought you live there. > >>> Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? >> >> Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and >> writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And >> Europe constantly. >> >> and the >>> Mamas and the Papas? >> >> Well, half of them are dead! >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:04:28 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Remastered "Paprika Plains" Jaime wrote: "this must be what she was talking about when she mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary Doctorate Round Table Discussion. She was talking about re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' to retune the piano to fit the strings. " I'm probably late to have heard this. As many of you know, I have a very fond affection for "Paprika Plains." I have always loved just that bit of character in this piece. The seemingly out of tune piano/strings create a dreamlike quality "I'm floating into my dreams..." and the detuning provides a realization of the essential ingredient to any autobiography: TIME. Such random metaphysics are divine inspiration and should be prized whether its genius was intentional or not. Please, Joni. Don't touch that mix. It's more perfect than IF perfect. CC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:16:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Remastered "Paprika Plains" I don't know CC, I know what you mean but I think it might fly even further as a piece once the piano has been retuned. I've always felt this track goes into uncomfortable territory but I didn't know why - possibly because of the out of tune with each other aspect of it. I love it though... I always thought it was because of the text behind it (unsung). Hey, it might not even be on the 'next release' Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- c Karma wrote: > Jaime wrote: > > "this must be what she was talking about when she > mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary > Doctorate > Round Table Discussion. She was talking about > re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' > to > retune the piano to fit the strings. " > > I'm probably late to have heard this. As many of > you know, I have a very > fond affection for "Paprika Plains." I have always > loved just that bit of > character in this piece. The seemingly out of tune > piano/strings create a > dreamlike quality "I'm floating into my dreams..." > and the detuning > provides a realization of the essential ingredient > to any autobiography: > TIME. Such random metaphysics are divine > inspiration and should be prized > whether its genius was intentional or not. Please, > Joni. Don't touch that > mix. It's more perfect than IF perfect. > > CC > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:11:26 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity >>> Bob Muller 2/23/2005 6:17:29 PM >>> I'm no authority, but doing some simple searches at Amazon, CD Universe etc. shows everything still out there EXCEPT for DED, of course DED in its entirety is on the Geffen box. ********************************************************************** DED is available on Amazon, starting at a low, low price of $2.99, plus shipping! What I find interesting are the reviews - I think there were over a dozen for DED. People gave it either one star or four stars. Some said, in effect, don't waste your money on this DOG, or else they carried on about how they loved it. Like its mother, you either love or hate DED. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:56:54 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Pat Metheny in the news, njc Pat Metheny is interviewed about his influences on the NY Times site. If you don't have a free membership, you may have to sign up to use this link. Nothing bad has ever happened to me as a result of giving the New York Times my email address. (Catherine!) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/25/arts/music/25meth.html?th I'm 1/3 of the way through and so far he's mentioned Sonny Rollins, Jaco and Miles Davis. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:22:26 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson A couple of days late, but it's still on my mind ... Long Live Drugs And Politics Hunter S. Thompson is dead. But what about his brand of raw, bloody, beautifully debauched journalism? By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, February 23, 2005 I am not nearly stoned enough. I should at this moment have, at the very least, roughly four Vicodin and three Valium and two giant nuggets of phenobarbital and a few whippets and a canister of ether and a tab of blotter acid and half an ounce of premium hash and a nice snifter of gin playing naked volleyball in my addled brain right now to properly pay homage to the late great Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, which is why I ain't touching this HST legacy thing with a 10-foot line of premium Colombian blow. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/02/23/notes022305.DTL ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:40:36 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Remastered "Paprika Plains" > I've always felt this track goes into uncomfortable territory but I didn't know why - > possibly because of the out of tune with each other aspect of it. I would be willing to bet a paycheck that Joni intended for it to be uncomfortable. That's the *one* thing I miss about Joni not recording new stuff -- the uncomfortable feeling I used to get upon first listen. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:31:18 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Gimme a song I have been struggling to come up with a compilation cd to send to a friend. I want to put one joni track on it. I have spent nearly two months trying to decide which one. It is hard. I was thinking Carey, Cold Blue Steel, Rainy night House, harry's house, dry cleaner or turbulent indigo. Throw me a line people, i'm not decisive enough to do this on my own (i have included thigns like Nin aSimone, Janis Joplin, Death Cab for cutie, gillian Welchj, television, susana baca but can't pick a joni track). he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden music appeals to him. we all know that joni specialises in those "portraits of disapppintment" not sure if she is doom-laden. so what one song would you give to a music fan that doesn't know the music of joni mitchell? eh? GARRET np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus bashers have to like this one. don't they?) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson thanks for sending that article Lori. I guess if anyone is walking even close to in Hunter Thompson's shoes, it would be Mark Morford. He kicks butt too. Differently, but still REAL good reading. Did you notice a lot of much longer than usual sentences in that article? You think he was going a bit "Gonzo" on us? :) Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > A couple of days late, but it's still on my mind ... > > > Long Live Drugs And Politics > > Hunter S. Thompson is dead. But what about his brand of raw, bloody, > beautifully debauched journalism? > > By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:40:36 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity You talkin' Joni piano songs? I love River, For Free and Richard. What's wrong with those? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" To: "JMDL" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > NO MORE PIANO SONGS! THANK GOD WE'VE BEEN DELIVERED FROM THOSE! > > Helplessly hoping, > Lama > np: Dr. John's "Gumbo" at 1/4 volume after midnight on a "school night" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:49:16 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Wally gets the snow he wanted -- njc Loving the pics Smurfy, thanks for sending them and tell Wally I said hi! db >>> Smurf 2/24/2005 10:36:02 PM >>> http://anchorage.craigslist.org/rnr/61223660.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:42:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Gimme a song > np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus bashers > have to like this one. don't they?) You tell 'em, Garret. ONLY Rufus could have written that one. Jerry, a Rufus fan from the git go. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:48:08 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Gimme a song For Free Help Me A Case of You Those are just a few of my faves. ACOY is one of those end of the affair songs, Help Me is a beginning song, and For Free is just pretty. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garret" To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Gimme a song > I have been struggling to come up with a compilation cd to send to a friend. I > want to put one joni track on it. I have spent nearly two months trying to > decide which one. It is hard. > I was thinking Carey, Cold Blue Steel, Rainy night House, harry's house, dry > cleaner or turbulent indigo. > > Throw me a line people, i'm not decisive enough to do this on my own (i have > included thigns like Nin aSimone, Janis Joplin, Death Cab for cutie, gillian > Welchj, television, susana baca but can't pick a joni track). > he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden > music appeals to him. > we all know that joni specialises in those "portraits of disapppintment" not > sure if she is doom-laden. so what one song would you give to a music fan that > doesn't know the music of joni mitchell? eh? > GARRET > > np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus bashers > have to like this one. don't they?) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:57:07 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Gimme a song My suggestion: Amelia. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:15:03 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Gimme a song Quoting McMillan Brad : > For Free > Help Me > A Case of You > > Those are just a few of my faves. ACOY is one of those end of the affair > songs, Help Me is a beginning song, and For Free is just pretty. > For Free and ACOY are definitely up there on my list. I'm playing through some of Joni's albums now. I'm determined to decide before the weekend is up. Listening to teh track Blue right now, it's been quite some time since i gave this song any attention. Maybe River is the one to go with? Maybe i'll just have to buy him one of the many Joni compilations that are out.... it would be much easier than picking just one track. GARRET NP- Joni, Blue - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:00:52 -0600 From: djp Subject: Re: Gimme a song At 12:31 PM 2/25/2005, Garret wrote: > >he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden >music appeals to him. Sire of Sorrow. mmmm. How doom laden can you get? And (dare I say it?) accessible. Sweet harmonies, intricate counterpoint, not bombastic (unlike some of the other doom laden stuff). >np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus bashers >have to like this one. don't they?) Nope. It was my first introduction to Rufus, and it turned me off forever. Can't stand the guy. djp - resurfacing on this list after - oh, 8 years? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:22:04 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Gimme a song From what i know he has never really heard any Joni at all. I think he would be a fan if he gave her music a change. He really is a music fan (one of the reasons we hit it off), he even likes Leonard Cohen and Patti Smith!! And for some reason i just can#t bring myself to use BYT, Woodstock, or Circle Game on this disc. GARRET NP- Joni, For Free (MOA) Quoting Em : > CBSASF or RNH get my vote. Does your friend actually know any other > Joni? > :) > Em > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:27:26 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Gimme a song... now Rufus njc Quoting djp : > > >np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus > bashers > >have to like this one. don't they?) > > Nope. It was my first introduction to Rufus, and it turned me off forever. > Can't stand the guy. > > djp - resurfacing on this list after - oh, 8 years? > > Well it's good to have you onboard djp, or back on board as it is, even if your questionable musical tastes exclude Rufus and include that Joni Mitchell one;-) I guess you wouldn't be excited about Want 2 then? GARRET NP- Joni, BSN (MOA) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:19:32 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Gimme a song Garret ... you wrote, of your friend: > he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden > music appeals to him. Once again I say: AMELIA. Not only does it come very close to "checking the boxes" of what appeals to your friend, it is consistently voted the #1 song by the JMDL. Amelia by Joni Mitchell I was driving across the burning desert When I spotted six jet planes Leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain It was the hexagram of the heavens it was the strings of my guitar Amelia it was just a false alarm The drone of flying engines Is a song so wild and blue It scrambles time and seasons if it gets thru to you Then your life becomes a travelogue Of picture post card charms Amelia it was just a false alarm People will tell you where they've gone They'll tell you where to go But till you get there yourself you never really know Where some have found their paradise Other's just come to harm Oh, Amelia it was just a false alarm I wish that he was here tonight It's so hard to obey His sad request of me to kindly stay away So this is how I hide the hurt As the road leads cursed and charmed I tell Amelia it was just a false alarm A ghost of aviation She was swallowed by the sky Or by the sea like me she had a dream to fly Like Icarus ascending On beautiful foolish arms Amelia it was just a false alarm Maybe I've never really loved I guess that is the truth I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude And looking down on everything I crashed into his arms Amelia it was just a false alarm I pulled into the Cactus Tree Motel To shower off the dust And I slept on the strange pillows of my wanderlust I dreamed of 747s Over geometric farms Dreams Amelia - dreams and false alarms Copyright ) 1976; Crazy Crow Music ~ Lori, whose 2nd choice would be Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:38:28 -0600 From: djp Subject: Re: Gimme a song At 02:19 PM 2/25/2005, Lori Fye wrote: >Once again I say: AMELIA. OK I take back "Sire of Sorrow" and go with Amelia. River's up there too, but I think Amelia's way more mature and complex. I'm sticking to my Rufus opinions though. Giving him more attention than he's due: I saw him on tv, singing "somewhere over the rainbow" at Lance Loud's memorial ceremony. When it was over, my boyfriend put Patti Labelle's "somewhere over the rainbow" on the CD, putting Rufus ever more firmly in his place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:06:26 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Gimme a song Hi Lori, I didn't have amelia on my list at all. I went and listened to it. (This is fun i'm listening to tracks i've not really listened to for a long time. In fact, i just realised it is a hell of long time since i played hejira album all through). I was thinking of Hejira but Amelia may be a good choice for him. this really is more difficult than it seems. i wanna be able to find one joni song that will appeal to him, that will represent joni's best abilities, and maybe stimulate him into picking up an album or 24. Instead of getting easier these suggestions are complicating it for me:-) but it is fun. i think all list members should root out a Joni song or album they've not heard recently and spend some time with it. GARRET NP- Joni, Black Crow Quoting Lori Fye : > Garret ... you wrote, of your friend: > > > he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, > doom-laden > > music appeals to him. > > Once again I say: AMELIA. > > Not only does it come very close to "checking the boxes" of what > appeals to your friend, it is consistently voted the #1 song by the > JMDL. > > Amelia > by Joni Mitchell > > I was driving across the burning desert > When I spotted six jet planes > Leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain > It was the hexagram of the heavens > it was the strings of my guitar > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > The drone of flying engines > Is a song so wild and blue > It scrambles time and seasons if it gets thru to you > Then your life becomes a travelogue > Of picture post card charms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > People will tell you where they've gone > They'll tell you where to go > But till you get there yourself you never really know > Where some have found their paradise > Other's just come to harm > Oh, Amelia it was just a false alarm > > I wish that he was here tonight > It's so hard to obey > His sad request of me to kindly stay away > So this is how I hide the hurt > As the road leads cursed and charmed > I tell Amelia it was just a false alarm > > A ghost of aviation > She was swallowed by the sky > Or by the sea like me she had a dream to fly > Like Icarus ascending > On beautiful foolish arms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > Maybe I've never really loved > I guess that is the truth > I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude > And looking down on everything > I crashed into his arms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > I pulled into the Cactus Tree Motel > To shower off the dust > And I slept on the strange pillows of my wanderlust > I dreamed of 747s > Over geometric farms > Dreams Amelia - dreams and false alarms > > Copyright ) 1976; Crazy Crow Music > > ~ > > Lori, > whose 2nd choice would be Hejira > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:15:00 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Gimme a song Hi Garrett, One of my faves has always been the live version of Cold Blue Steel on Miles of Aisles. If you are having this much trouble deciding, why not make him another cd of all your favorite Joni?? db >>> Garret 2/25/2005 2:06:26 PM >>> Hi Lori, I didn't have amelia on my list at all. I went and listened to it. (This is fun i'm listening to tracks i've not really listened to for a long time. In fact, i just realised it is a hell of long time since i played hejira album all through). I was thinking of Hejira but Amelia may be a good choice for him. this really is more difficult than it seems. i wanna be able to find one joni song that will appeal to him, that will represent joni's best abilities, and maybe stimulate him into picking up an album or 24. Instead of getting easier these suggestions are complicating it for me:-) but it is fun. i think all list members should root out a Joni song or album they've not heard recently and spend some time with it. GARRET NP- Joni, Black Crow Quoting Lori Fye : > Garret ... you wrote, of your friend: > > > he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, > doom-laden > > music appeals to him. > > Once again I say: AMELIA. > > Not only does it come very close to "checking the boxes" of what > appeals to your friend, it is consistently voted the #1 song by the > JMDL. > > Amelia > by Joni Mitchell > > I was driving across the burning desert > When I spotted six jet planes > Leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain > It was the hexagram of the heavens > it was the strings of my guitar > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > The drone of flying engines > Is a song so wild and blue > It scrambles time and seasons if it gets thru to you > Then your life becomes a travelogue > Of picture post card charms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > People will tell you where they've gone > They'll tell you where to go > But till you get there yourself you never really know > Where some have found their paradise > Other's just come to harm > Oh, Amelia it was just a false alarm > > I wish that he was here tonight > It's so hard to obey > His sad request of me to kindly stay away > So this is how I hide the hurt > As the road leads cursed and charmed > I tell Amelia it was just a false alarm > > A ghost of aviation > She was swallowed by the sky > Or by the sea like me she had a dream to fly > Like Icarus ascending > On beautiful foolish arms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > Maybe I've never really loved > I guess that is the truth > I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude > And looking down on everything > I crashed into his arms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > I pulled into the Cactus Tree Motel > To shower off the dust > And I slept on the strange pillows of my wanderlust > I dreamed of 747s > Over geometric farms > Dreams Amelia - dreams and false alarms > > Copyright ) 1976; Crazy Crow Music > > ~ > > Lori, > whose 2nd choice would be Hejira > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:09:08 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson > Did you notice a lot of much longer than usual sentences in that article? You > think he was going a bit "Gonzo" on us? Yeah, I did. Reminds me of another of my favorite writers, Tom Robbins. (Now everyone: watch Deb Messling throw his books across the room.) ; ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Gimme a song Given what you've said, Garret, I think that Cold Blue Steel is a good choice. Very dark and haunting chord sequence, and lyrically the whole "down the dark dark ladder" thing is spot on too. Or you could go with "A Strange Boy" or Furry...oops, shouldn't say that, it'll just muddy the waters all the more... Bob NP: Dusty Springfield, "Have A Good Life Baby" Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:20:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson I'm not much of a Tom Robbins fan, either, but I did like Jitterbug Perfume. Jerry, the other librarian :) > > Yeah, I did. Reminds me of another of my favorite writers, Tom > Robbins. (Now everyone: watch Deb Messling throw his books across > the room.) > > ; ) > > Lori > > ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:23:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Ruth Davis wrote: Yes, but those are all people selling used or cutout copies through Amazon's portal, and not from Amazon's shelves per se - my point was that it's the only Joni CD that you can't buy new from Amazon and other sites directly. Looking forward to meeting you in DC Ruth! Bob NP: Madeiros & Sagmeister, "Both Sides Now" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:24:13 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford on Hunter S. Thompson > I'm not much of a Tom Robbins fan, either, but I did like Jitterbug Perfume. That's one of my favorites by Tom, and may be his best. > Jerry, the other librarian :) I remembered that! I mentioned Deb only because I KNOW she threw a Tom Robbins book once upon a time, in disgust. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:47:54 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Symbols and souls (njc) Hi, gang, I think it was Colin who first said: >such a shame the swastika has come to be recognized as a symbol for peace when it was and still is a Hindu symbol meaning the opposite.< Then Kate said: I think you're right Kate, and in fact, it has also shown up in one orientation or another in various native American (North and South) cultures. (This is utterly irrelevant, I guess, but a three-winged version has been used in lots of fiction and science fiction, usually associated with some kind of fascist-like society or government.) I think it can be hard to draw the line with some symbols -- like Smurph's reaction to the Shamrock by "Southies" in Boston (almost all of Irish descent) as a symbol of resistance to busing. I can see how that might add a veneer of distaste to a symbol of ethnic pride. From 1979 to 1984, I taught at a private alternative high school, half of whose students were on complete or partial scholarships, in a small building right across the street from the Prudential Center, in the Back Bay section of Boston, a rather liberal, rather wealthy part of Boston. Students of all stripes -- including international students, a lot of them middle class "refugees" from the revolution in Iran. One word of bigotry on *anyone's* part to anyone else as cause for suspension. As you can imagine, the tension there was at times thick enough to cut with a knife, but kids either got the message, or got the boot. I gotta say (as an 3/4 Irish American myself -- although I got my face from the South of France) that I found the Irish-American kids the most intransigent, stubborn, hell, the nastiest kids in the bunch, and the ones who were most often expelled. I loved it when they would accuse me of being anti-Irish (and incidentally, pro-"raghead" -- although Iranians, as far as I know, have never worn the headdress frequented worn by other peoples of the Middle East -- because I had the audacity to learn to speak Farsi -- I also learned Greek, and with French, Itralian, Spanish and Portuguese already in my busy head, I was the de facto translator at the school), only to be deflated when they found out I was one of them (and hence, a "tratuh"). I laugh now when I think of the fact that *three different times*, as I was walking on Newbury Street, a block from the school, a car full of freckly redheads mistook me for someone of another ethnicity and yelled out, "Hey [insert ethnic slur here -- I think twice it was "jewboy", and another time it was "raghead"], go home!!!" The first time, I was too stunned to react, then I burst out laughing, the second and third times, I yelled at them "You f**king morons, I'm as Irish as you are, and *you're* the ones in the wrong neighborhood!" In any case, not only was the school on the right track w/r/t ethnic harmony - -- and some wonderful friendships were formed among the kids who had the good sense to "get" the school's ethos -- but I decided it was time that the administration lost the last scrap of their own bigotry -- homophobia -- just as I was being promoted to dean of students (after teaching Math and ESL for two years). My predecessor, who was leaving, and a *lot* of the teachers watched this development with great interest. The Principal and the other administrators were momentarily shocked when I told them, but I got the promotion, and oh! what great fun as the administration found out how very many of their teachers were gay, as was the daughter of the Principal, who was the school's counsellor, and the administrative assistant. I've gotten a long way off from the original topic of symbols and their power to hurt. For what it's worth, I think some symbols, like the Swastika (and the reversed forms, by association, which is too bad) are irrevocably tainted. What about the Iron Cross? I don't know; much fewer people have that visceral reaction to it, many don't know its association with Nazism, but I don't like it much. And I agree with people who find the Confederate flag troubling -- and its addition to many state flags in the 1950s supposedly as a salute to state pride is completely disingenuous -- if it had been there all along, it might be harder to argue for its removal, but the timing of its inclusion on an already existing flag makes such arguments specious. I think it's my being raised in a liberal family by social workers who cut their parenting teeth by working in Child Welfare in Rhode Island, where their first jobs were as in loco parentis for kids (of all races) at the state orphanage, then my going to Brown (probably the most liberal of the Ivies) -- my parents didn't blink when the first two girls I brought home to dinner were a nice Jewish girl from NYC, and then a nice Jamaican girl (this is obviously right before I told them that I should be bringing boys home, which they also accepted, with a slight wobble, but well). It's because of all this that I just don't understand the stupidity, the worthlessness of bigotry, and symbols that have been used to promote it. I do think it's possible for some symbols to be rehabilitated, but maybe not all. The thing is, I suspect, to worry less about the symbols, and more about the souls. Work hard to make people see the error and waste of bigotry, and maybe there will never be a new symbol to worry about in the future. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:06:03 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Gimme a song Garret, I'd definitely go with "Two Grey Rooms". I've turned many of people on to Joni with that song! Happy Friday everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:00:16 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Gimme a song I would go for Amelia. It's somber enough, but it also has a beautiful melody and an intelligent, truly poetic lyric. At 03:00 PM 2/25/2005, you wrote: >>he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden >>music appeals to him. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:38:48 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Gimme a song njc Jerry Notaro wrote: >> np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus >> bashers have to like this one. don't they?) > > You tell 'em, Garret. ONLY Rufus could have written that one. > > Jerry, a Rufus fan from the git go. And for all you Rufus lovers, the current issue of Word with the Joni cover story has an article on Rufus. Rufus says his grandfather lived next door to Judy Garland when he was a kid and Judy used to make him sandwiches. Conclusion: 'Is it any wonder I'm gay?' 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