From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 090 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Flags of winter chimneys [Bob Muller ] RE: Starbucks now sjc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Sherelle's post NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: random thoughts njc [Em ] Re: Sherelle's post NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jamie Zubairi ] mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Mark or Travis" ] Has anyone noticed. . .njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] simple piano and harmony . .. .njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] re: Sake and paranoia (njc, 6969) ["mike pritchard" ] Re: simple piano and harmony . .. .njc ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Has anyone noticed. . .njc ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Em ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Em ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Em ] Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' [Randy Remote ] winnipeg folk festival / nathan rogers / xavier rudd NJC [mags h ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Flags of winter chimneys mackoliver wrote: Indeed - and thanks for proving my point, Mack. You don't feel the need to show it because you have NO NEED of identifying yourself as a neanderthal racist. It could be argued that even the American flag has been hijacked as a symbol for the Neocons. Happy Thursday all! Bob PS: In other Hejira news, the Winn-Dixie grocery chain has filed for bankruptcy protection. Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Starbucks now sjc --- Richard Flynn wrote: > OK--Hope I don't have to hand in my leftist > credentials, but the only decent > coffee one can get in my supermarket is Starbuck's > coffee--and since we > don't have a Starbucks proper, I make it, every > morning, and the other stuff > I can get here is crap. > > I know it's no excuse, but when it comes to > luxuries--good coffee is a must > for me. I think I'll concur with Muller about having to have some kind balance in these things. I've done the California grapes boycott during the Cesar Chavez/ United Farmworkers era; South African fruit to protest apartheid and probably a few others. I haven't particularly chosen to boycott Starbucks. While there is one close to both my workplace and my home, it's not quite close enough that I would pick up a coffee on my way to work, when there are others to choose from. I have been there a few times and their coffee is OK, but it's not the great stuff everyone makes it out to be. I'm still in search of the perfect cup of coffee. Just about everything we buy probably exploits someone somewhere. On the other hand, it gives them a job and a paycheque of sorts. > That said, I don't know what possessed me to buy the > Joni CDs when I visited > the big city Starbucks in Savannah--I mean, why > encourage her to keep > recycling? At least the Artist's Choice one > provides a novel Joni listening > experience--and you gotta admiore her chutzpah > putting one of her own songs > on there. I will probably get the Artist's Choice one, but I doubt I'll get the other, since I already have all that stuff, several times over. > Secondarily, I've read Klein's (Naomi, not Larry) > NOLOGO, and while it is > eye-opening in many of its particulars--I don't find > its analysis terribly > nuanced. But it does give one something to think > about. > Haven't read it yet but will soon. I suspect she's kind of a Michael Moore type that makes a number of good points, but has an agenda of her own, so you do have to read between the lines. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:31:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Hmmm this must be what she was talking about when she mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary Doctorate Round Table Discussion. She was talking about re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' to retune the piano to fit the strings. And the title would fit the inclusion of Paprika Plains... and hmmm lemme guess Cherokee Louise Song for Sharon Urge For Going Amelia (again?) Harlem In Havana Interestingly, amazon.co.uk haven't listed it as import yet it's a Rhino release. Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Bob Muller wrote: > Mark or Travis wrote: > that's worth.> > > Looks like it's worth $35.99...or maybe better to > say it's selling for $35.99. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:05:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > Hmmm > > this must be what she was talking about when she > mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary Doctorate > Round Table Discussion. She was talking about > re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' to > retune the piano to fit the strings. And the title > would fit the inclusion of Paprika Plains... and hmmm > lemme guess > > Cherokee Louise > Song for Sharon > Urge For Going > Amelia (again?) > Harlem In Havana > > Interestingly, amazon.co.uk haven't listed it as > import yet it's a Rhino release. And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. Very strange. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:13:19 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Sherelle's post NJC Hi Bob, I really think you are right on about what you are saying. I am eternal optimist to a fault, that's all. Joni's lyrics also hit the nail on the head. I will have to re-listen to "Borderline". Yes, when my husband and I went to Nags Head several years ago, there was a pick up truck with a huge confederate flag driving around and I knew in my heart that he was trying to propogate hate. I guess the Confederate flag is what it is and there is no defending it. I'm there.... Sherelle >From: Bob Muller >To: Sherelle Smith , jdhenderson@nyc.rr.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Sherelle's post NJC >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:59:32 -0800 (PST) > > >hopeful...like a plea for understanding, but as a Southerner, I am glad to >hear your opinion. > > >But if that's the case why do I not see anyone still flying a "Don't Tread >On Me" or any number of any other flags? That's "Heritage" too, isn't it? >The whole "Heritage not Hate" thing is a way for racists to publicly >rationalize their hatred and racism. I see confederate flags EVERY DAY and >these are not people who are history buffs, believe me. > >It's like driving around in NC (especially in Johnston County) and seeing >all the "Cat In The Bag Rat Bait" wooden signs out front. It has nothing to >do with selling rat poison but rather identifies the shop owner as a Klan >member. I think the confederate flag issue is much the same thing - a way >for racists to identify each other. It is, as Joni would say, a borderline. > >Like a barbed wire fence >Strung tight strung tense >Prickling with pretense >A borderline > > >Bob > >NP: Pearl Jam, "Yellow Ledbetter" >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: random thoughts njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > there is a lot of sh@t that goes into the growing of coffee > that > goes into the land & into your body... buyer be aware yeah like the Indonesian kind where a cat has to eat the bean first and crap it out before it can be used. I kid you not. Poor cats. :( Em ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:21:11 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Sherelle's post NJC Hi Vince, So do you think this was where my friend Ray was coming from? He really was a Civil War buff and also had an affinity for the Wild West. Since he is the spitting image of Willie Nelson, it was only fitting that the song "Beer For My Horses" by Toby Keith and Willie Nelson was played at his funeral. It was very heartwrenching because he does resemble Willie Nelson so much that they could actually pass for twins. Yes, I am trying to envision your story and it's a little difficult but very touching. It's how life really should have been. Sherelle >From: Vince Lavieri >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: joni@smoe.org, jdhenderson@nyc.rr.com >Subject: Re: Sherelle's post NJC >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:07:49 -0500 > >Muskegon: my once and new home: >Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site >http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us > >On Feb 23, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > >>Thank yo so much for your response. The words "Heritage not hate" sound >>hopeful...like a plea for understanding, but as a Southerner, I am glad to >>hear your opinion. If indeed the flag was created as a direct symbol for >>the continuation of slavery, I don't see how I can embrace it in any way. >>One of my friends was a Civil War buff and just loved the history.. He >>flew a Confederate Flag at their campsite by the lake in Ohio. It should >>have been obvious to them why Rob and I always made our excuses not to >>come spend time with them there. > >In my old community they had for many years one of those re-enactment >things every May. They were actually quite worthwhile, I was fascinated by >the whole thing. Never understood why anyone would be a Reb, or for the >WW2 re-enacters, a Nazi SS officer, but I wasn't there to challenge them. > >Was there once walking back when the engagements had ended, through the >camps, with a member of the parish who began to collapse with the heat, A >confederate soldier instantly whipped out a bottle of water, much needed, >and offered a place to sit - in the confederate camp. After Richard >recovered a bit we started to walk to the road and Richard was in obvious >distress and a Nazi Waffen SS solider pulled up in a jerry jeep and gave >Richard a ride. It was such confusing visuals, I still can't unwrap it >all. > >Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:26:35 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? and the Mamas and the Papas? I remember seeing 5 or 10 variations on the same greatest hits, or best ofs and those are only two that i used to follow. I wonder if anyone did any real research on this subject. I think we'd all be surprised at what is out there. Steve >>> Bob Muller 2/23/2005 6:17:29 PM >>> I'm no authority, but doing some simple searches at Amazon, CD Universe etc. shows everything still out there EXCEPT for DED, of course DED in its entirety is on the Geffen box. And looking at Amazon, it looks like Joni's NEXT compilation (when does this madness end?**) "Songs Of A Prarie Girl" is due out April 25. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007UMMHC/qid=1109204051/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/103-9500611-9187003?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 At what point will Joni have more comps out there than original works? She's been cranking these things out like Catholics havin' babies. Bob NP: Van the Man, "Brand New Day" **actually a bit ironic coming from a guy who's working on "Joni Covers, Volume 70"! Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:38:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And Europe constantly. and the > Mamas and the Papas? Well, half of them are dead! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:54:23 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity I love Melanie! Do you know how much vinyl of hers I have? The shock I had in the late 70's and early 80's was all these repackaged albums of these 2 artist/groups. Were they trying to get the most buck for the product? trying to reach a new/larger audience? My thought was: don't they think the fans can read the album covers? Melanie's 2 CD set rocks, BTW... Steve >>> Jerry Notaro 2/24/2005 8:38:35 AM >>> > Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And Europe constantly. and the > Mamas and the Papas? Well, half of them are dead! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:02:47 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > Like many artists, but unlike Joni, Melanie lost control of her catalog and > the labels rushed to reissue schlocky compilations to make the most money they > could off of her. > > Jerry > > The shock I had in the late 70's and early 80's was all these repackaged > albums of these 2 artist/groups. Were they trying to get the most buck for the > product? trying to reach a new/larger audience? > My thought was: don't they think the fans can read the album covers? > > Melanie's 2 CD set rocks, BTW... > > Steve > >>>> >>> Jerry Notaro 2/24/2005 8:38:35 AM >>> >> > Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? > > Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and > writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And > Europe constantly. > > and the >> > Mamas and the Papas? > > Well, half of them are dead! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:54:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Rhino is a U.S. Corporation and though sells to the U.K., does not produce there. Jerry > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> >> And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. Very strange. > > Not strange if it's a UK (as opposed to US) release. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:04:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity But it's a Rhino Records release, which, I would've thought is an American based company (well, it has mainly Americana on their releases...)/ Would they only release it in the UK? That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would Rhino really do that? Not really knowing anything about music distribution. Much Joni JamieZoob --- Mark or Travis wrote: > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. > Very strange. > > Not strange if it's a UK (as opposed to US) release. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:09:45 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc where I work they had a lottery for tickets to see Green Day which I really wanted but of course I did not the next ticket lottery was for John Cougar Mellencamp who I don't want to see but I thought I'd enter just because I knew I'd win in some perverse piece of bad luck and I won howver opening for Mellencamp is Donovan and I want to see him so it is all good anyway (and I have Mellencamp friends who love me because I invited them to the concert). Donovan better sing what is is called, Atlantis?, because since the 60s I have wanted to be in the audience singing along with "way down, beneath the ocean, there I wanna be..." or however it goes! and I have a niece named Saffron so singing along with "I'm just mad about Saffron" should be fun too! (I have never asked my sister what she was thinking when she named that child - and my sister was like 3 when the song came out so it wasn't like it was a favorite song of hers, but then again I am glad she didn't name the kid Mellow Yellow.) Vince - -- http://www.visitmuskegon.org http://www.ci.muskegon.mi.us http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:22:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Jerry Notaro wrote: > Rhino is a U.S. Corporation and though sells to the U.K., does not > produce there. > > Jerry Alright Lucy. 'Splain! Ricky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:48:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Jerry Notaro wrote: > > And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. Very strange. Not strange if it's a UK (as opposed to US) release. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:46:25 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Has anyone noticed. . .njc Laura wrote: >PS. Has anybody noticed how 11 X 11 = 121 and 111 X 111 = 12321 and 1111 >X 1111 = 1234321 and 11,111 X 11,111 = 123454321, etc.? It is like >playing scales on the piano... no . . but I've notice a bit of weird stuff from you darlin'. ; -) XOXOOX BUT, I have thought about the lovely piano and how it has 88 keys and all the notes are just sitting there before your eyes. . . and the possiblilities . . .the compositions are infinite. like the number 8 . . like an infinity sign. .. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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'Splain! > > Ricky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:52:18 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: simple piano and harmony . .. .njc Can anyone recommend lovely simple beginner piano books? and Can you recommend a simple book about creating harmony with the piano. ps. when I win the lottery I want to establish a radio station called something like "W-harmony. . with everything on it having harmony . . from every genre, every age. .. and all the advertisements must promote harmony on the planet, harmony with nature. . etc. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:58:19 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: flags, njc kate wrote: >I don't like flags except the ones that don't stand for any territory... >ones that are creative, like kites. I like the ecology flag.. I like the rainbow flag too. .. the rainbow alone is nice. . the rainbow corresponds to the color wheel. . . I wish we would all talk about ecology again. XOXO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:04:46 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: Sake and paranoia (njc, 6969) >>Anyway, not much fun, but it's considerably better than death.<< Actually Walt, death ain't so bad when you get used to it. It's dying that's really a drag. mike in barcelona NP Unza Unza Time - Emir Kusturica ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:09:20 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: simple piano and harmony . .. .njc >>> "Marianne Rizzo" 2/24/2005 11:52:18 AM >>> Can anyone recommend lovely simple beginner piano books? Steve: Joni Mitchell Complete, Volume One. Check ebay... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:07:07 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: Starbucks NJC >>The world's 2nd most opinionated man, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY<< Now that Hunter's gone, haven't you been promoted? mike in bcn NP Unza Unza Time - Kusturica ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:12:28 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed. . .njc So, Marianne, if I read you right, you donot feel "condemned to wires and hammers"? Quoting Marianne Rizzo : > Laura wrote: > > >PS. Has anybody noticed how 11 X 11 = 121 and 111 X 111 = 12321 > and 1111 > >X 1111 = 1234321 and 11,111 X 11,111 = 123454321, etc.? It is like > >playing scales on the piano... > > no . . but I've notice a bit of weird stuff from you darlin'. > ; -) > XOXOOX > > > BUT, > > I have thought about the lovely piano and how it has 88 keys and all > the > notes are just sitting there before your eyes. . . > > and the possiblilities . . .the compositions are infinite. > > like the number 8 . . like an infinity sign. .. > > > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee. > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:57:37 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 I love this list but if Nuriel Tobias keeps filling it with his/her inane postings I think I might have to quit. John Southport, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:45:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Jamie Zubairi wrote: > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > Rhino really do that? Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. Sometimes they release things at different times in different places. I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She probably heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn and obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking thing. We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases a big box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! That would really suck! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity kinda like the ol Brer Rabbit thing, right? Please don't throw me in the briar patch! :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She > probably > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > and > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > thing. > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases > a > big > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > That > would > really suck! > RR > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity kinda like the ol Brer Rabbit thing, right? Please don't throw me in the briar patch! :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She > probably > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > and > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > thing. > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases > a > big > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > That > would > really suck! > RR > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:37:20 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity You know what would suck even more? If Joni started writing and recording new original music. I sure hope she never does that, because I can't imagine anything worse. You know what would also suck? If these new recordings were done with some crack band instead of those wonderful orchestral settings we all love so universally. That would be terrible. Joni would have to be crazy to go back to a more stripped down sound. It would be horrible to hear her perform good jazz-inflected new original pop music when we could have nice turgid recyclings of old stuff. You know what would be a GREAT idea? If Joni would re-record every sing one of her albums, only this time arranged and conducted by Vince Mendoza. I really wish that will happen instead of all those sucky things I don't want to happen. Quoting Randy Remote : > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > > Rhino really do that? > > Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global > tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. Sometimes > they release things at different times in different places. > > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She > probably > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > and > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > thing. > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases > a > big > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > That > would > really suck! > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:41:45 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Was: Sake and paranoia (njc), now: Barcelona Mike's little secret In a message dated 2/24/05 10:13:28 AM, ink08@hotmail.com writes: > > Actually Walt, death ain't so bad when you get used to it. It's dying that's > really a drag. > > You're probably right -- I've already done the dying part so many times, I could give a cat a run for its money; but not the death part. Um, is there something about you I should know? Answer these simple questions: My favorite meal is: (a) Blood. (b) I don't need food -- I'm made of ectoplasm. (c) No answer My favorite mode of travel is: (a) Flight, as a winged mammal. (b) floating spookily under doors and through walls. (c) No answer My complexion is: (a) Pale. (b) Translucent to transparent. (c) No answer. My favorite expression is: (a) Bleah, bleah, I vant to bite your neck. (b) Oooooooooo..... (c) No answer. My friends say I'm: (a) Charming, but don't stand too close to him unless you've eaten some garlic. (b) OOooooooooooo... (c) Dead. I live: (a) in a castle in a mountainous region of Romania. (b) in the house that you just bought for too little money. (c) not. Send me your answers, and don't worry, your secret's safe with me, unless I can get a good story out of it, of course. Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:07:40 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Keep on singing that song, and no one else will ever get around to you, either! (njc) In response to Smurph's "Top 50", Bob Muller said: <> Then Wally K said: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:46:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: charlene AAAARRRRRRRRGGHH!!!!! -- NJC bob muller!!!!! never been to me is the only reason i might one day support capital punishment. what's with this song? why does it irritate me even after not hearing it in so many years?>> Now me: God, I'd forgotten this song for years. It used to be one of those songs (most of the others are on Smurph's original list) that I'd reach so fast for the car radio dial that I had more than one near accident. In fact, they should do studies on this phenomenon. I mean, everyone knows that more babies appear nine months after a blackout -- surely, they could correlate car pileups with radio airings of "Muskrat Love" and the like? btw, my reaction to whenever Charlene sang the refrain was GO THERE, SHAKE EACH OTHER'S HANDS AND NEVER COME BACK!!!! Sigh, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:20:41 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Taking a chance on bein' late again...(njc) Shortly before his murder, perhaps even at the time of his murder, there was a hit novelty song of an RFK imitator doing "Wild Thing." I am not sure if it was a regional thing or not. I lived in Massachusetts at the time and it was certainly a hit here. RFK was a senator from NY then, so maybe it was a hit there, too. Anyone know? Could this have been Vaughn Meader trying for a comeback? walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:34:40 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Taking a chance on bein' late again...(njc) I think that was a Vaughn Meader single. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Taking a chance on bein' late again...(njc) > Shortly before his murder, perhaps even at the time of > his murder, there was a hit novelty song of an RFK > imitator doing "Wild Thing." I am not sure if it was a > regional thing or not. I lived in Massachusetts at the > time and it was certainly a hit here. RFK was a > senator from NY then, so maybe it was a hit there, > too. Anyone know? > > Could this have been Vaughn Meader trying for a comeback? > > walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:34:37 -0000 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' The artist's choice CD - 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her'. With a double gatefold and booklet insert, what a nice little package it is. Joni's intro to her choices reads: "By the end of the 20th Century it seemed to me that the muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the 'ic'. Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and beauty were passi. Shock was the reigning value and schlock was rating raves in Rolling Stone. I heard one record boss on the radio announcing matter-of-factly, 'We are no longer looking for talent. We're looking for a "look" and a willingness to cooperate!' Another executive told me, as a prelude to rejecting my last album, 'We're just selling cars now. We've got fast cars and cute cars...' I got the picture. I quit the business. I volunteered for this project in order to force myself to review the songs and compositions that, over the course of my life, really got to me. I was about to receive an honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it was that I had once loved about it." Maybe I'd read and forgotten the story behind 'Harlem in Havana', but it was good to read again and hear Joni saying somehow it fits in between her Duke Ellington and Louis Jordan choices in the running order. "In reviewing this song, I found two influences that I had unconsciously assimilated - Marvin Gaye and the whisper singers of Burundi." WtS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Jimmy Page talks about our Joan >How important was "Stairway to Heaven" to you? PAGE: To me, I thought "Stairway" crystallized the essence of the band. It had everything there and showed the band at its best...as a band, as a unit. Not talking about solos or anything, it had everything there. We were careful never to release it as a single. It was a milestone for us. Every musician wants to do something of lasting quality, something which will hold up for a long time and I guess we did it with "Stairway." Townshend probably thought that he got it with Tommy. I don't know whether I have the ability to come up with more. I have to do a lot of hard work before I can get anywhere near those stages of consistent, total brilliance. I don't think there are too many people who are capable of it. Maybe one. Joni Mitchell. That's the music that I play at home all the time, Joni Mitchell. Court and Spark I love because I'd always hoped that she'd work with a band. But the main thing with Joni is that she's able to look at something that's happened to her, draw back and crystalize the whole situation, then write about it. She brings tears to my eyes, what more can I say? It's bloody eerie. I can relate so much to what she says. "Now old friends are acting strange/They shake their heads/They say I've changed." I'd like to know how many of the original friends any well-known musician has got. You'd be surprised. They think - -particularly that thing of change -they all assume that you've changed. For the worse. There are very few people I can call real, close friends. They're very, very precious to me. see the whole story by Cameron Crowe at: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5937986/ledzeppelin?pageid=rs.News&pageregion=double2&rnd=1109278077162&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872 Brian in blizzardy south jersey, reinstalling ALL the contents of my laptop, cursing Bill (not C or W, but G) and remembering and longing for my Macintosh days. ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity and it would suck the double donkey if she made an all acoustic album... :/ em - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > You know what would suck even more? If Joni started writing and > recording new original music. I sure hope she never does that, > because > I can't imagine anything worse. > > > You know what would also suck? If these new recordings were done > with > some crack band instead of those wonderful orchestral settings we all > love so universally. That would be terrible. Joni would have to be > crazy to go back to a more stripped down sound. It would be horrible > to hear her perform good jazz-inflected new original pop music when > we > could have nice turgid recyclings of old stuff. > > > You know what would be a GREAT idea? If Joni would re-record every > sing > one of her albums, only this time arranged and conducted by Vince > Mendoza. I really wish that will happen instead of all those sucky > things I don't want to happen. > > > Quoting Randy Remote : > > > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > > > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > > > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > > > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > > > Rhino really do that? > > > > Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global > > tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. > Sometimes > > they release things at different times in different places. > > > > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. > She > > probably > > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > > and > > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > > thing. > > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that > releases > > a > > big > > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > > That > > would > > really suck! > > RR > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:25:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' willytheshake100 wrote: > Joni's intro to her choices > reads: > > I was about to receive an > honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it > was that I had once loved about it." This is pretty funny. When I first heard about this release, I said that she should include a disclaimer: "I don't listen to music, but if I did, this is what I would listen to". Weird and sad that she did just that. She seems to be saying that she no longer loves music. She quit the business when a label exec told her it was only about product. "By the end of the 20th Century it seemed to me that the muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the 'ic'. Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and beauty were passe." God, I hear great music all the time. Mostly NOT from the big labels. Joni, that was your golden moment to quit the corporations and start your own label. Not to turn your back on music itself. Strange how she condemns the star-making machinery and music in the same breath. RR ps I hope Joni will not be one of those artists who start their own label and start putting out great, original music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:59:58 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Aw, Em. Why do you say that? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: ; "jonilist" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > and it would suck the double donkey if she made an all acoustic > album... > :/ > em > > --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > > > You know what would suck even more? If Joni started writing and > > recording new original music. I sure hope she never does that, > > because > > I can't imagine anything worse. > > > > > > You know what would also suck? If these new recordings were done > > with > > some crack band instead of those wonderful orchestral settings we all > > love so universally. That would be terrible. Joni would have to be > > crazy to go back to a more stripped down sound. It would be horrible > > to hear her perform good jazz-inflected new original pop music when > > we > > could have nice turgid recyclings of old stuff. > > > > > > You know what would be a GREAT idea? If Joni would re-record every > > sing > > one of her albums, only this time arranged and conducted by Vince > > Mendoza. I really wish that will happen instead of all those sucky > > things I don't want to happen. > > > > > > Quoting Randy Remote : > > > > > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > > > > > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > > > > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > > > > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > > > > Rhino really do that? > > > > > > Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global > > > tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. > > Sometimes > > > they release things at different times in different places. > > > > > > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. > > She > > > probably > > > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > > > and > > > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > > > thing. > > > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > > > > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that > > releases > > > a > > > big > > > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > > > That > > > would > > > really suck! > > > RR > > > > > ===== > "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." > ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: winnipeg folk festival / nathan rogers / xavier rudd NJC the lineup at this year's Winnipeg Folk Festival might be of interest...I didnt realize the Be Good Tanyas were from BC!?! Lots of great musicians to look forward to; Martha Wainwright, Daniel Lanois, Steve Forbert, Odetta, Cara Luft (former member of the Wailin' Jennys). Xavier Rudd was a huge hit last year and will be there again...check out his version of The Wind Cries Mary. The site of the Festival is gorgeous, about a twenty minute drive outside this fair city. http://www.xavierrudd.com/welcome.html for the general lineup see this link: http://www.winnipegfolkfestival.ca/index.php?pageID=2005+PERFORMERS&subID=&tmpl=2 and now for a bit of Nathan rogers (stan's son)... (Nathan was four years old when Stan passed away). a thrilling moment in the life of this author, at last summer's festival, i was part of a group of folks invited to rehearse the Mary Ellen Carter with Nathan on stage. http://www.nathanrogers.ca/epk.htm Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:31:07 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' I gather that she has always been ambivalent about the performing art part. Witness her comment on MOA about no one ever asked Van Gogh to paint Starry Night again. Why couldn't Joni see that her fans asked her to play the same songs again because the songs make us feel a certain way and we feel like we are sharing her expressed pain or pleasure. By contrast, I saw a 60 minute special on Jimmy Buffet the other night. He said , and I'm paraphrasing, that Margaritaville belonged to him when he wrote it, but after it became so popular, it belonged to the fans and he was proud to sing it again every time he was asked to. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "willytheshake100" ; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' > willytheshake100 wrote: > > > Joni's intro to her choices > > reads: > > > > I was about to receive an > > honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it > > was that I had once loved about it." > > This is pretty funny. When I first heard about this release, I said that > > she should include a disclaimer: "I don't listen to music, but if I did, > this > is what I would listen to". Weird and sad that she did just that. > She seems to be saying that she no longer loves music. She quit the > business when a label exec told her it was only about product. > "By the end of the 20th Century it seemed to me that the > muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the > 'ic'. Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and > beauty were passe." > God, I hear great music all the time. Mostly NOT from the big labels. > Joni, that was your golden moment to quit the corporations and start > your own label. Not to turn your back on music itself. > Strange how she condemns the star-making machinery and music in the > same breath. > RR > ps I hope Joni will not be one of those artists who start their own > label > and start putting out great, original music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:53:37 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: David Geffen + Joni mention in NY Times--sjc Here are some notes from Lurkdom: Last Thursday night I attended a lecture (actually it was a staged conversation in a Q & A format) by David Geffen at New York's 92nd Street Y. The series is part of similar events at the 92nd Street Y that attracts all manner of the best writers, actors, thinkers, and notable individuals who come to share their lives with an auduence for about 90 minutes. This particular series features "Captains of Industry" and is sponsored by "Business Week" magazine, for whom the magazine's editor, Stephen Shepard, conducts the interviews. Well, I was hoping that David Geffen would talk more about the music business, and his relationship with Joni Mitchell in particular. Alas, since the focus of this discussion was business and therefore steered clear of the veresimilitude of celebrity, Mr. Geffen held a lot back. (Two things that surprised me about the evening: 1) David Geffen's head is now completely shaved. I guess my last memory of seeing him was the WHM/PBS documentary and the brief remarks he contributed for same--he is very fit and seems far younger than his years; 2) At times the interviewer seemed frustrated with David Geffen's responses, which tended to be short and simple, and that lead me to believe--here's the surprising part--that he was very nervous and uncomfortable in that setting.) In response to a question about recording artists today versus the ones he represented a generation ago, he said he that many of today's artists are good in a different way, and he listed Usher, Alicia Keyes, and Kanye West as examples. "Joni Mitchell can't dance," he quipped, which I took to mean that today's artists' acts are slicker and more involved than earlier ones. In a way I think he meant it as a back-handed compliment. Lastly, several "bold face names" turned out to support David Geffen: Ariana Huffington, Graydon Carter, Fran Leibowitz, and the NY Times former drama critic, Frank Rich, were all in the audience. Speaking of the NY Times, yesterday(23 Feb) there was a Joni mention vis a vis a Connecticut singer ("No Angry Songs for This Troubadour", p. B2) named Thomasina Levy: "No, she does not apologize for sounding so New Age. She calls herself 'a folk musician who plays the dulcimer' and says her style is rooted as much in Joni Mitchell as Jean Ritchie, the dulcimer balladeer from Kentucky." Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: random thoughts njc eeewww em... that is LITTERLY shit... > yeah like the Indonesian kind where a cat has to eat the bean first and > crap it out before it can be used. I kid you not. > Poor cats. > :( > Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:04 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: mellencamp, green day, & donovan njc vince wrote: > and I have a niece named Saffron so singing along with "I'm just mad > about Saffron" should be fun too! (I have never asked my sister what > she was thinking when she named that child - Your sister's name isn't Edina, is it? Patsy E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:49:37 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Starbucks NJC Damn Muller you get to make out with EVERYBODY!!!!! I am SO jealous. Paz NP-For Free-From the Starbucks CD (nice package nice collectors item and I got it for free and it's made my day esp. since now I am hearing A Case of You and there are so many more good ones to come. Wow are these remastered?? I can't find any info on there but boy this sounds good!! > As it happens, ny Starbucks experiences have been anything BUT NJC...the first > time I went to one was during a Jonifest in good ol' Topsfield MA...me & Steve > & Leslie Mixon and Alison went to one and of course we played Joni music in > the rental car and read Leslie's copy of the infamous Joni poetry book with > the "penelope: poem in it. Of course, even with all the JC the best part was > making out with Alison in the back seat! > > The second time I went to a Starbucks was in Atlanta in '98 when my wife & I > went to see Joni in concert. (Did I ever tell the story about meeting Joni > after that show? I can't remember...) > > We finally got a Starbucks here in town, a stones' throw from where I work but > I haven't been there. Now Mrs. SCjoniguy, different story - she has a > Starbucks debit card and goes there several times a week. > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Rockin' Chair" > Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #90 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)