From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #89 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 089 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:frida kahlo joni, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #85 [LCStanley7@aol.com] Sake and paranoia (njc, 6969) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC Re: Joni Tribute in Grass Valley California [Smurf ] Re: Sherelle's post NJC ["mackoliver" ] RE: Starbucks now sjc ["Richard Flynn" ] random thoughts njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #88 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:56:29 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:frida kahlo joni, njc Somebody longing for the weekend wrote: to me, yes. . . it too gives me a Friday Kahlo feeling Hi Weekender, Funny Freudian typo slip about Frida. Enjoy the Kahlo feeling... is that like being fried and eating Fritos looking at Frida on a Friday? Fabulous. Love, Laura PS. Has anybody noticed how 11 X 11 = 121 and 111 X 111 = 12321 and 1111 X 1111 = 1234321 and 11,111 X 11,111 = 123454321, etc.? It is like playing scales on the piano... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:04:58 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #85 In a message dated 2/22/05 9:58:03 A.M. Central Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: jk Who is jk? Joni Kahlos? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:57:21 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Sake and paranoia (njc, 6969) Hi, all, **Sake and Paranoia** I spent time with two friends yesterday, and somewhere in there was a lesson in humor: when it works and when it doesn't. I met my friend Stephan for lunch. He'd had a miserable morning dealing with the unemployment office (I suspect that there is a redundancy in that last phrase), while I'd had a so-so morning sucking down pentamadine fumes. (For those who might not know, pentamadine was the first treatment for the deadly pneumocystis; it can be given intravenously -- and must be, if the party already has pneumocystis, as I did in '96 -- but normally, it is mixed with cool steam and inhaled. It has become almost obsolete, as possibly 99% of the PWA population can take one or more of several pills or other oral meds to prevent it. Robert and I are among the one percent who can't (allergic to all of them), so we have to, as we say, suck the fumes once a month. Afterwards, I feel slightly dizzy and have an icky taste in my mouth. Sometimes, I spend the rest of the day coughing and sneezing, possibly because I smoke neither ciggies nor weed (nor anything else). Anyway, not much fun, but it's considerably better than death.) Anyway, Stephan and I decided not to eat at Cafe Flor on Market Street, our original choice, and instead headed for his favorite Japanese place in the Castro. Stephan is a sake connoisseur, and I let him order for both of us -- he has a favorite (don't ask me, they all taste somewhat like Aqua Velva to me), preferably served in those inexplicably square wooden cups. While Stephan looked at the menu, I noticed one of those plastic stand-up menu thingies, a sake list, with a list of intriguingly named entries. The first was called "The Mirror of Truth". I immediately started giggling. When Stephan, who was still a bit nettled over his frustrating morning looked up to see what had gotten me going, I pointed at the sake list and asked him to read the top one. He did, and I said, "It's called that because, after three, the mirror you're looking at is on the ceiling, and the truth is you've had too much." Stephan started giggling, too, as did a man sitting near us at the bar. "Then" I said, "if you roll over onto the 'Floor of Filth' and can make it in time to the john, you sing 'The Haiku of the Porcelain Bowl'. If you then come back out and ask for more 'Mirror', you get 'The Bum's Rush of the Manager' and meet your fate with the 'Abraded Face and Bloody Nose of the Sidewalk'." We were both in hysterics by this time, and the rest of lunch was fun. We had to split up after lunch, as I was meeting another friend that most of *my* friends are terrified of. I'm not sure why, but I've never been particularly afraid of crazy people -- possibly it's that both my parents were social workers, perhaps it's because a particular strain of lunacy runs through my family, usually expressed in the form of finding humor in the most unlikely places. Anyway, Tom, who is 40ish and gorgeous, has a moderate form of polar disorder accompanied by intermittent paranoia. Unfortunately, yesterday was one of the days when the mania was strongly mixed with the paranoia. There's essentially no point to it, and it does exhaust me, but I agreed to hang with him for a while if he didn't mind watching me do my laundry at the Laundromat across the street from where I live. I sent him on an errand (to buy a paper and some soft drinks for the two of us) while I was sorting the clothes, the only part of the process that requires any concentration at all. (Another of my oddities is that I *like* to do laundry -- I mean, once you've got the ball rolling, it's all automatic, and you can read, or think, or do whatever you like... moving the stuff from washer to dryer can be done on autopilot, as can folding clothes, once you have a system and a rhythm. Perhaps it's the very tedium of it that makes most people seem to dislike it...) Anyway, yesterday's "entertainment" amounted to hearing, once again, how two of Tom's exes are out to get him. Anything, anything at all, that goes wrong in Tom's life, has been completely orchestrated by either or both of these men -- whom I strongly suspect think of Tom little if at all, and with a shudder when they do. Tom gets very worked up when he's recounting these guys' latest exploits to destroy him, and it tends to frighten bystanders, so whenever he got too animated, I suggested we go outside to stop terrifying the two little old ladies who were also trying to do their laundry. (Tom is oblivious to this effect he has on people, and can't understand why people, including former friends, avoid him -- for twelve years, this included me, but when he called me a few months ago, I said I'd meet him for an occasional lunch.) Using reason to talk Tom out of his flights of paranoia is essentially worthless, which I know, but I never give up trying. It doesn't help that he spent part of the '80's in Las Vegas as a male escort, and later in L.A. starring in porno, something he was led into by his then lover -- one of the two he's convinced are out to get him. He still finds some of his "vehicles" in the adult sections of video stores, and/or on adult websites. This drives him crazier, as he is always penniless, and someone, but not him, is profiting from his earlier profession. (I should add that he is a fully qualified schoolteacher *and* certified paralegal, but that he has never been able to hold down a "legit" job because of the polar stuff.) Among the topics for discussion yesterday were the fact that he was conflicted about replacing his lost or stolen cell phone given that (I'm not making this up, as Dave Barry says) Paris Hilton's had recently been hacked into. Stifling a giggle, I pointed out that perhaps Miss Hilton's appeal to the masses (but not, may I emphasize, me) may have motivated whatever creep it was to hack into her presumably most private speech -- is it unkind of me to wonder why she should *care*, given her various exploits: doesn't one finally reach a point of just having no shame? -- but returning to Tom, I felt obliged to point out that his increasingly ancient nude prance across the boards might not be sufficient cause for concern that his cell phone might be hacked. Needless to say, this had no effect on his mood -- and resorting to humor can actually make things worse. There's no convincing a confirmed paranoiac that he is, well, just being paranoid. Try too hard, and his/her reaction will be, of course, "Aha! So they've gotten to you, too!" But humor-wise, I can't help it, so when Tom helped me carry the clean loads back to my front door and stated that he wished he had something to wipe his face with, I said, "Just use the towel on the top of the basket, Tom." "I don't want to mess up a just-laundered towel." Finally exasperated, I said, "Don't be silly -- I'll just sell it on E-Bay." Cheers, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:09:21 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > And looking at Amazon, it looks like Joni's NEXT compilation (when > does this madness end?**) "Songs Of A Prarie Girl" is due out April > 25. > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007UMMHC/qid=1109204051/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/103-9500611-9187003?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 Well this one does say it's an import for whatever that's worth. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni Tribute in Grass Valley California - --- Bob wrote: > The Vagina Monologues - which I'm going > to see tomorrow night. > Really, Bob? Is it a big opening? XO, - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:13:27 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: NJC Re: Doug Meek alert!! Set your radio dials y'all I'm on 56k dial-up so webcasts don't work very well, though I can download archived streaming media. We'll have to hope someone else can get it. Doug Bob Muller wrote: > D'oh!! I guess I was thinking that you get snatch it from the webcast > - I'm assuming it'll be webcast at the same time. > > Bob > > */Doug /* wrote: > > No way I can get this one. The broadcast area is Alberta. One of our > listers in Saskatoon with a good antenna might be able to pick it up > from Edmonton > on 94.9 or 97.5 from Lloydminster. It's also fed to the Starchoice > satellite system across Canada. I have the other system :( > > Doug > > > > Bob Muller wrote: > > > This Saturday Feb 26 on CKUA from 9-10 will be the first of a > 3-part > > special on Joni titled "A Portrait - Joni Mitchell". For three > > consecutive Saturdays Tony King hosts A PORTRAIT - JONI > MITCHELL. The > > one hour shows will take a look at the artist and her music through > > various stages in her career. > > > > The program airs from 9 -10 AM starting Saturday, February 26. > > For more info go to http://www.ckua.com/ and click on the Joni > link in > > the "What's Happening" section. > & gt; > > Bob > > > > NP: Radiohead, "Packt Like Sardines In A Crushed Tin Box" > > Yahoo! Mail > > > > - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:17:07 EST From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: JIMMMMMMM In a message dated 2/23/2005 9:59:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: The world's 2nd most opinionated man, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY Jimmy Baby..............Nyrogrl lives in Lexington ! Another JoniPhile in the Bluegrass. Thank goddess there's a god!!! But Jim, that's just my opinion!! flyingpoodle productions jody l serkes producer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Starbucks now njc --- Doug wrote: > I too have to admit when I first read the jabs at > Starbucks, I was a > bit hurt. My wife and I are die hards. Of course, up > here in southern > Ontario our only other alternative is Tim Hortons > and the like. Believe > me, If you tried it you'd spit it out on the first > sip. LOL, Doug. Why does everyone say Timmy's has such great coffee? Gimme a break! It's the same burnt Columbian you get everywhere else, and yet there is ALWAYS a lineup, no matter what time of time or night you go there. We had this very discussion at work last week. WHY does everyone go to Tim Horton's? Someone claims they put nicotine in their coffee. Sounds a bit extreme to me but hey, ya never know. And I was the one that started the Starbucks-is-evil thread. I stop by a little indy bakery on my way to work for coffee. It's not great coffee, it's kind of watery continental dark, but I've had worse. It's just that the people that work there (they're Chinese or Korean and I'm sure it's a family business) are just SO nice, and sometimes they give me free cookies. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:40:45 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Sherelle's post NJC I am in no way a racist and I repeat I love that flag. Signifies something else to me. I don't show it or use it because of the feelings about it. Sad that some do so. mack > hopeful...like a plea for understanding, but as a Southerner, I am glad to > hear your opinion. > > > But if that's the case why do I not see anyone still flying a "Don't Tread On Me" or any number of any other flags? That's "Heritage" too, isn't it? The whole "Heritage not Hate" thing is a way for racists to publicly rationalize their hatred and racism. I see confederate flags EVERY DAY and these are not people who are history buffs, believe me. > > It's like driving around in NC (especially in Johnston County) and seeing all the "Cat In The Bag Rat Bait" wooden signs out front. It has nothing to do with selling rat poison but rather identifies the shop owner as a Klan member. I think the confederate flag issue is much the same thing - a way for racists to identify each other. It is, as Joni would say, a borderline. > > Like a barbed wire fence > Strung tight strung tense > Prickling with pretense > A borderline > > > Bob > > NP: Pearl Jam, "Yellow Ledbetter" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:48:44 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Starbucks now sjc OK--Hope I don't have to hand in my leftist credentials, but the only decent coffee one can get in my supermarket is Starbuck's coffee--and since we don't have a Starbucks proper, I make it, every morning, and the other stuff I can get here is crap. I know it's no excuse, but when it comes to luxuries--good coffee is a must for me. That said, I don't know what possessed me to buy the Joni CDs when I visited the big city Starbucks in Savannah--I mean, why encourage her to keep recycling? At least the Artist's Choice one provides a novel Joni listening experience--and you gotta admiore her chutzpah putting one of her own songs on there. Secondarily, I've read Klein's (Naomi, not Larry) NOLOGO, and while it is eye-opening in many of its particulars--I don't find its analysis terribly nuanced. But it does give one something to think about. Cheers, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:18 PM To: Doug; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Starbucks now njc --- Doug wrote: > I too have to admit when I first read the jabs at > Starbucks, I was a > bit hurt. My wife and I are die hards. Of course, up > here in southern > Ontario our only other alternative is Tim Hortons > and the like. Believe > me, If you tried it you'd spit it out on the first > sip. LOL, Doug. Why does everyone say Timmy's has such great coffee? Gimme a break! It's the same burnt Columbian you get everywhere else, and yet there is ALWAYS a lineup, no matter what time of time or night you go there. We had this very discussion at work last week. WHY does everyone go to Tim Horton's? Someone claims they put nicotine in their coffee. Sounds a bit extreme to me but hey, ya never know. And I was the one that started the Starbucks-is-evil thread. I stop by a little indy bakery on my way to work for coffee. It's not great coffee, it's kind of watery continental dark, but I've had worse. It's just that the people that work there (they're Chinese or Korean and I'm sure it's a family business) are just SO nice, and sometimes they give me free cookies. ===== Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:07:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: random thoughts njc I don't like flags except the ones that don't stand for any territory... ones that are creative, like kites. I don't like starbucks because as far as I know they don't offer organic coffee... there is a lot of sh@t that goes into the growing of coffee that goes into the land & into your body... buyer be aware Walmart contributed heavily to the repub party CostCo contributed heavily to the dem party ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 02:29:22 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #88 Subject: Joni's unpopularity Joni's lack of sales and the lack of recognition could perhaps have been foreseen by anyone who understands the way the human psyche works. Unpopular yes, but I have to say Joni is not under-recognized. She is one of the creative touchstones for critics, musicians and writers and is very frequently referred to in the media as such. She was "popular" for a number of years, and I guess we'll all have to be happy with that. Not that I wouldn't like for her to have a hit record, but it's not going to happen (especially during retirement, of course). Bryan NP: Mark Isham/Racing Stripes soundtrack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #89 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)