From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #85 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 22 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 085 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Starbucks [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: What the fuck do you mean? njc [colin ] vertical dancing vs. horizontal bop was Re: Southern Man, etc....njc [Em ] a little politeness please (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: a strange thing about Hejira [Em ] Re: Colin and David, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: a little politeness please (njc) [colin ] Re: Colin and David, njc [colin ] The list - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Musical date (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Musical date (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Musical date (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] I apologize to anyone I offended! NJC ["David Henderson" ] frida kahlo joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: was: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards- Now: Dancing Queens-njc ["Steve] Re: The list - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Starbucks [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: The list - NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: I apologize to anyone I offended! NJC [colin ] Re: was: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards- Now: Dancing Queens-njc [Lori F] Re: vertical dancing vs. horizontal bop was Re: Southern Man, etc....njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Southern Man was: re: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards -njc [Lori Fye ] Re: a strange thing about Hejira [Lori Fye ] Re: was: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards- Now: Dancing Queens-njc ["Steve] Re: the Cause NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: vertical dancing vs. horizontal bop was Re: Southern Man, etc....njc [Em ] Re: Online radio NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Press Release Source: Starbucks Coffee Company [Moni Kellermann ] Re: a strange thing about Hejira [Doug ] needling and negative? njc [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:19:00 -0800 (PST) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Starbucks > I haven't gone to my neighbourhood Sbucks yet, because I have an irrational phobia of the place. Maybe it's because they're so > prolific. Maybe it's because they can't just have > small, medium and large like everyone else, but have > to give them those precious other names. But something > about Starbucks raises my hackles and make me believe > it's just.... evil... for some reason. Irrational seems to be the best explanation for yr phobia... I don't understand why people get so upset about Starbucks. It's just a coffee place, for gawds sake! Here's the way I see it... If you live in a city (or town or village) that has a wide selection of coffee spots, and make good coffee, by all means SUPPORT them! We are very coffee-blessed where I live, and I frequent several local merchants for most of my coffee needs and desires. BUT, when I go out of town, I am so thankful that Starbucks exists. I have wasted so much money, and poured out so many cups of really awful coffee and supposed espresso drinks that were.. well... undrinkable. At least I know that at Starbucks, what I order will be consistent with what I got at another Starbucks. Sometimes, that is very, very welcome. In my experience, the workers are pleasant and often very intelligent, funny, and personable. Unlike some cafes where the workers ignore you, take their sweet time, and treat customers like crap. Plus, how many other coffee merchants give their employees health benefits and 401K plans? Starbucks is a well-run company, and certainly not evil. Now, let's talk about them gas stations where everbody fills up their vehicles.... I don't hear folks talkin' about how evil they are... and they ARE! my several cents... Gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:39:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: What the fuck do you mean? njc David Henderson wrote: >What the fuck do you mean,asswipe? You don't know one fucking thing about me >or my friends. What could I have possibly said that makes you think I'm a >racist? I've been reading your posts for two months. Do you ever think >before you fucking speak? > > > Hi David-thankyou for your considered response. Maybe it is better to read what is written and understand it before deciding to be so nice in response. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: vertical dancing vs. horizontal bop was Re: Southern Man, etc....njc - --- Lori Fye wrote: > If you can't dance well, you probably can't f* well, either. Ay! No way man! Bad vertical dancing does not affect one's ability to do the horizontal bop. Believe me, I know! ;) Em > > With tongue planted firmly in ... er, um ... cheek, > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:38:26 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: a little politeness please (njc) Hello David, Could you please omit the curse words (especially said with such venom) when posting to the list. Some folks read the email from the JMDL while at work. In some companies, receiving such mail could be grounds for dismissal. Now, you wouldn't want to be responsible for someone losing their job, would you? I understand that you may not see eye to eye with Colin, but simply lashing out adds nothing to the JMDL, imho. Debate is great, even heated debate. Personal attack, on the other hand, isn't why we're here. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:06:43 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: a strange thing about Hejira lmao!!!!! Its her arm! stuck in her pocket! I guess her black coat is covering part of it and making it look the diameter of a good sized mechanical dong!!!! this is one of the first dic-cussions we had when I first joined this list...tho it was obvious it had been had many times before. Messes with your mind, right? :) Em - --- bill johnson wrote: > Awhile back I noticed something strange on the cover of Hejira. On > the front > cover look on the right side of the road. What is that tubular > object? You > might say a tailpipe to a car-fitting the albums theme.Look > closer...there > is a head on top and a vein towards the bottomright.Yes...could it > possibly > be...a severed male organ?!?! If it is a severed "M.O." it would > also be > fitting as she has been tormented most her adult life about giving up > a baby > the first time she got Chucks hot monkey love...and the MO was > responsible > for it all...But then..it could be a tailpipe. Joni's smoking hand > also is > detached on the cover. What is it..tailpipe or MO? Thanks Bill > from IL > NP: Robert Randolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:27:54 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin and David, njc Lori wrote: David, a couple of things about your post to Colin: 1) It had no Joni content. Please tag it appropriately, as NJC. 2) While many of us do use the word "fuck" and its derivations in this forum on occasion, we try to avoid using it in the Subject (as you just don't know whose kids might be browsing the email in their parents' accounts), and we certainly try to avoid using it in anger, especially in anger directed toward another person. 3) It would be far better to take your personal beef with Colin or with anyone off list. In other words, complain privately to the person who has offended you, because it is a private matter between the two of you. Although I am addressing you publicly and would therefore seem to be violating my own third item, I am doing so not to embarrass you or to engage you in a flame war but, rather, to take the opportunity to remind everyone of 1) and 2) above. Thanks. Rap on. ; ) Hi Lori, I appreciate what you wrote here. More power to you motorcycle mama. Now David and Colin, please kiss and make up... you can do that on the list and in the subject line and preferably in the name of Joni. Wave your truce against the moon svp. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:32:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: a little politeness please (njc) Anne Sandstrom wrote: > >I understand that you may not see eye to eye with Colin, > I think it would be difficult to see 'eye to eye' when one is accused of writing something one didn't write. > Personal attack, on the other hand, isn't why we're here. > > > abuse is never right and thank you for pointing that out. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:35:19 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Colin and David, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > > > Now David and Colin, please kiss and make up... you can do that on > the list and in the subject line and preferably in the name of Joni. I love your peace maker atitude, Laura, and thank you for it. I'd like to make it clear, I am not at war with anyone. I haven't responded with any form of abuse. The abuse I received for my post was completely uncalled for and unacceptable, even if I had written that which i was accused of writing. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:46:51 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: The list - NJC I9d like to know why David, a relative newcomer, has been ripped across the board for his response to Colin, but not one word for Colin9s response to Vince: I don't this sort of snotty response. For a rev, you certainly know how to be offensive. i suggest you might try and live by the tolerence you so often preach and get off your high horse and learn not to be so fucking bitchy just because a person doens't like the same music as you. Grow up. I9m not defending either one, just wondering........ Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:00:25 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) Hi Catherine! Actually, that is an excellent idea! I will tell my daughter about it. Thank You! Love, Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay >To: Sherelle Smith , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:46:05 -0500 (EST) > > --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Hi everyone, (This may show up twice) > > > > The date for the Roberta Flack musical play will be > > April 15th and 16th at > > 8:15 pm at Market 5 Gallery in the Eastern Market > > portion of Washington, DC > > (next to Capital Hill). > >[...] > > > My daughter (the business manager) is planning an > > event for me at the same > > location hopefully in August or September. I want to > > do a 2 hour show with > > my own compositions and anything else I want to > > throw in including Joni > > music. > >[...] > > > I will keep you posted on this as > > well. So if you can't make > > the musical play maybe you can come to the concert! > > > >Rock on, Sherelle! How about recording that concert >live? > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:04:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) Will do Donna! Thank you so much! I am talking to David now to make sure I have as many tickets as I need so I will definitely put one aside for you! I deeply appreciate your support! Maybe Roberta Flack will show up while you are there!!! David (the playwright) is trying really hard to get her to attend! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:08:37 -0600 > >Congratulations Sherelle!! Please put me down for a ticket if you don't >mind. I've found some good flight/hotel packages and will be coming to >see your play. Support your local musicians I always say! I love DC >and will enjoy seeing it and you again. > >If this isn't an excuse for a mini-Jonifest folks, I don't know what >is. I'll have room if anyone wants to bunk with me. Can't wait! >Love Donna > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 2/18/2005 1:10:49 PM > >>> >Hi everyone, (This may show up twice) > >The date for the Roberta Flack musical play will be April 15th and 16th >at >8:15 pm at Market 5 Gallery in the Eastern Market portion of >Washington, DC >(next to Capital Hill). Tickets are $25. I have the script and will >start >learning my lines pronto! I am being told that because of Roberta's >popularity in the city, both nights are going to be a sell out. I will >try >to get a block of tickets for friends and family. Market 5 holds 200 >people >so it is a small venue but the acousitics are terrific from my last >experience. > >My daughter (the business manager) is planning an event for me at the >same >location hopefully in August or September. I want to do a 2 hour show >with >my own compositions and anything else I want to throw in including Joni > >music. Budget wise, it looks pretty do-able. I really want to perform >on my >own terms and just enjoy it. I think I will be able to do it at this >venue >so April my daughter (who is really shocking me with her business >savvy) has >set it to task. I will keep you posted on this as well. So if you can't >make >the musical play maybe you can come to the concert! > >Love, Sherelle > > >This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:06:56 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) Hi Lori! I will have the tickets set aside myself so just let me know which night you will be attending and I will set them aside. I wish they were comps but I haven't earned my stripes yet! Love, Sherelle >From: Lori Fye >Reply-To: Lori Fye >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, djb@binkleybarfield.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:01:46 -0500 > >Sherelle, if you'll let me know when tix go on sale, I'll spend the >night in line to buy two for Mary and me! : ) > >And ... Donna? What's this talk of a hotel?? You can stay with us, >"real good for free." We live only a Metrorail ride away from where >Sherelle will be playing. > >Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:25:39 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: I apologize to anyone I offended! NJC I take it personally when someone accuses my best friend and one of my assistants, and therefore me by association, as being racist - especially from a post that was so heartfelt. His response was callous and uncaring. I think calling someone racist is a far worse crime than cursing, but it's good to know how the priorities stack-up. I suppose I did overreact since I would not have gotten so upset if the comment had come from anyone on the list other than Colin whose incessant needling and negativity is often irritating and upsetting to me, especially after the exchange two weeks ago when I was forced to apologize for something far less consequential over and over and over and over again. I do apologize to anyone I offended. I should have appended my email NJC, and I should have emailed Colin off list. Best, David PS I hope I didn't ruin anyone's day. Sing Carole King's Beautiful - it always works for me. I have to go to work now . . . best. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Lori Fye [mailto:lrfye58@gmail.com] >>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:37 AM >>>To: jdhenderson@nyc.rr.com; joni@smoe.org >>>Subject: (NJC) What the f* do you mean? >>> >>> >>>David, a couple of things about your post to Colin: >>> >>>1) It had no Joni content. Please tag it appropriately, as NJC. >>> >>>2) While many of us do use the word "fuck" and its derivations in >>>this forum on occasion, we try to avoid using it in the Subject (as >>>you just don't know whose kids might be browsing the email in their >>>parents' accounts), and we certainly try to avoid using it in anger, >>>especially in anger directed toward another person. >>> >>>3) It would be far better to take your personal beef with Colin or >>>with anyone off list. In other words, complain privately to the >>>person who has offended you, because it is a private matter between >>>the two of you. >>> >>>Although I am addressing you publicly and would therefore seem to be >>>violating my own third item, I am doing so not to embarrass you or to >>>engage you in a flame war but, rather, to take the opportunity to >>>remind everyone of 1) and 2) above. >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Rap on. ; ) >>> >>>Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:39:52 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: The list - NJC Jerry Notaro wrote: >I9d like to know why David, a relative newcomer, has been ripped across the >board for his response to Colin, but not one word for Colin9s response to >Vince: > >I don't this >sort of snotty response. > >For a rev, you certainly know how to be offensive. i suggest you might >try and live by the tolerence you so often preach and get off your high >horse and learn not to be so fucking bitchy just because a person >doens't like the same music as you. Grow up. > > i think it was an accurate description of his not so veiled insults. No where did I call him names. The fact you chose to eqaut this to outright abuse, and at the same time say nothing about flagrant abuse, makes me wonder.... > > >I9m not defending either one, just wondering........ > >Jerry > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:48:43 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: frida kahlo joni - --- Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: >two of the paintings -- the >first looking like it may date froim the '80's, and the other very recent >-- >Joni holding red-orange lilies in both hands, >the bouquet in her right hand held higher. They rang a bell the moment I >first saw the cover. Did Frieda Kahlo do a self-portrait just like this? > It >looks so familiar... to me, yes. . . it too gives me a Friday Kahlo feeling Catherine: >I thought it looked like a Kahlo too I found some pieces that kind of >suggested this. (Check out >http://www.fridakahlo.com/art.shtml for instance. that was interesting. . . >It also looks like an icon of some kind, to me, y'know >either the Virgin Mary painted on wood with gilding, >or a portrait of a saint or martyr of some kind. You >see them holding flowers (roses or lilies usually), >eyes gazing heavenwards while they're being consumed >by flames or undergoing some other form of horrendous >torture. There's some here at >http://www.holycards.com/holycards/catalog/index.php There is something beautiful about these images. Thanks for all the images, Catherine _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:51:15 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: was: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards- Now: Dancing Queens-njc Lori dear, My tongue was firmly planted as well. (Insert wicked grin here...) True, bears usually can't dance for s**t. I was actually thinking about a lighted dancefloor with a bunch of Dancing Queens doing it to It's Raining Men... and the lesbians trying to keep up... Trust me, I've seen it, and it wasn't pretty...LOL! Those were the days, my friend... It was a place called the Factory, where leather guys, twinks, and drag queens as well as the up & coming yuppies would all congregate and party together. It was a very cool scene. Now everything is segregated - twink bars, Leather bars, etc. I loved the 70's... there was still a lot of conflict with gays & straights, but, I think that back then, gays had much more camaraderie for each other. Sheesh, I went out 6 nights a week! Now I sit home most nights with the tv on and all the house lights left on bright... ;-P Steve >>> Lori Fye 2/21/2005 10:47:10 PM >>> Steve P. opined: > p.s. Let's face it, gay guys dance better than lesbians... Hm ... well ... not ALL gay guys dance better. Those "bear" guys don't dance too well, at least not the ones I've seen. Dancing bears ... yeah, just like on Capt. Kangaroo. ; ) Gay rodeo guys dance really well, especially two- and three-stepping and line dancing. Saw a lot of that when I lived in Texas. Queens, of course, dance divinely. As for lesbians and dancing, women who look like gay bears don't usually dance too well. Some women who "pack" dance well, but they've had to have been packing long enough to be comfortable with it; otherwise it's obvious they're concerned about their ... package. Most, though not all, femme lesbians dance pretty well. And generally speaking, many androgynous lesbians dance quite well, especially if they're dancing with equally androgynous partners. Let's face the fact, though, that it all boils down to this very simple rule: If you can't dance well, you probably can't f* well, either. With tongue planted firmly in ... er, um ... cheek, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:53:46 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The list - NJC > I said nothing about abuse, Colin. I was referring to: > > 1. The use of the word fuck > 2. Posting to the list rather to the person > 3. Personal attacks. David was chastised for all three, and yet your post to Vince did the same. Still wondering..... Jerry > > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> >> I9d like to know why David, a relative newcomer, has been ripped across the >> board for his response to Colin, but not one word for Colin9s response to >> Vince: >> >> I don't this >> sort of snotty response. >> >> For a rev, you certainly know how to be offensive. i suggest you might >> try and live by the tolerence you so often preach and get off your high >> horse and learn not to be so fucking bitchy just because a person >> doens't like the same music as you. Grow up. >> > i think it was an accurate description of his not so veiled insults. No where > did I call him names. > The fact you chose to eqaut this to outright abuse, and at the same time say nothing about flagrant abuse, makes me wonder.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:02:47 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbucks Hey Gus, I had to chime in here, totally agree on the Starbucks front... I love the quirky, locally owned coffee shops, but even in NYC they're hard to come by these days, and any place that has a large cafe feel, plays Joni non-stop and keeps me caffeinated gets a thumbs up..when I go back to North Dakota for Xmas, u can hanging out in the local Starbucks in like a little piece of heaven, where a few like-minded people congregate... where am I right now? In Starbucks, of course, starting my work day, wireless internet, espresso and all, and best of all, the strains of "Amelia" fill the air... Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:11:43 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The list - NJC Jerry wrote: > I9d like to know why David, a relative newcomer, has been ripped across the > board for his response to Colin, but not one word for Colin9s response to > Vince It could be wrong of us, but it may be exactly because David is a relative newcomer. David doesn't know Colin (or any of us) very well yet, and doesn't know that on this list -- maybe more than on other lists -- it helps to know our history, and it certainly helps to ASK someone to clarify what they meant, rather than just assume that every comment is an end-all/be-all indictment of your person and attack in response. Because ... Colin didn't call anyone a racist. He wrote that he believes there is a "touch of racism" in anyone ... and for my money, there's a touch of racism in everyone. Then, of course, there was David's choice of subject, which was inflammatory and unnecessary (nevermind the "asswipe" name calling, nevermind the lack of NJC tag). As for Colin's comments to Vince, I haven't read everything but in my experience Vince can dish it as well as take it, and Colin and Vince have hashed it out before and are still friends. No "what the f*" or "asswipe" comments between them that I recall, or at least there haven't been any lately. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. No offense to you, David, as I certainly want to see you stick around. You have made some wonderful contributions already to this list, and I know you'll make more. For the record, I wasn't offended for myself. I just wanted to cut this off at the pass before it got out of hand. (Fat lot of good my efforts did, eh?) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:15:48 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: I apologize to anyone I offended! NJC David Henderson wrote: >I take it personally when someone accuses my best friend and one of my >assistants, and therefore me by association, as being racist - especially >from a post that was so heartfelt. His response was callous and uncaring. > > I din't think I would have to spell it out. i did not, repaeat did not, call you ro your friends racist. I cxan't help the wya you chose to interpret what i wrote. I wrote that i felt the comment made was racist, imo. That is it. It is how I felt. it does not call for abuse from you. >I suppose I did overreact since I would not have gotten so upset if the >comment had come from anyone on the list other than Colin whose incessant >needling and negativity is often irritating and upsetting to me > really? I think this is just another attempt by you to jusify your abuse. negative I am not and perhaps you could look at why you should choose to slam me int his way with untruths. >, especially >after the exchange two weeks ago when I was forced to apologize for >something far less consequential over and over and over and over again. > > No you were not. Again, you chose to interpret my point out that Carly was raised on standards as having a go at you. i thought that exchange went well and I wondered why you were taking it the way you seem to have. Don't blame me for your reactions. i am so surprised you have such a negative opinion. Not once did I name call or even tell you were were worn to dislike Torch or nayhting for that matter. >I do apologize to anyone I offended. I should have appended my email NJC, >and I should have emailed Colin off list. > > private or public, abuse is abuse. As far as I am concerned, that is the ned of the matter. Hopefully you won't take things so personally in the future but if you choose to beleive I exist merely to needle you and upset you, there is nothing I can do about it. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:13:32 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: was: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards- Now: Dancing Queens-njc > My tongue was firmly planted as well. (Insert wicked grin here...) Steve, I know that. Just teasing you back, ya leather clad queen!! Lori, once upon a time in flannel shirt and "dyking" boots ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:17:23 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: vertical dancing vs. horizontal bop was Re: Southern Man, etc....njc >> If you can't dance well, you probably can't f* well, either. > Ay! No way man! Bad vertical dancing does not affect one's ability to > do the horizontal bop. Believe me, I know! > ;) Okay, there's an exception to every rule, and I happen to know (not carnally, however, but only because we are both "married") that YOU, Em, are the exception to ... every rule. : D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:16:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: the Cause, NJC Thank you so much Laura!!! I'm glad that you got something out of my post. That's very special. My husband and I have no children of our own but my daughter (his step-daughter) always gets mistaken for our natural daughter because of her light complexion. She is the product of a lot of Indian heritage from both her biological father and I. She just told me over the weekend that she lives in apartment complex that is predominantly filled with people from the land of India and she is constantly mistaken for someone of another ethnicity by them. It also seems that the new landlord of her apartment complex tends to show a little prejudice towards the Indian people because of their (cooking) lifestyle. He's assuming negative things about them and is trying to get my daughter to buy into it. I am very proud to say that she would not. I am so sorry to hear that your friend was not welcome by your other friends. It sounds like he lives on the street. Am I reading this correctly? It's the only understanding I have of why people of different races would reject your friend. This is also a prejudice, especially in the DC area. Unfortunately, for safety reasons, it is not advised to let people come and approach you. My coworker had a gun pulled on him last week in front of his home in Temple Hills, Maryland after the person approached him and asked him the time. My coworker was able to slip into the house before anything happened. It seems that the robber was not confident in his actions but my coworker took a big risk. It seems like poverty and homelessness is also a prejudice. Yes, there are people here who beg on the corner every day and then drive off in fancy cars (it's true) but there are also people on their last leg that need help. I thnk you you Laura for having the kind of heart that wants to help. You are the seasoning which makes life tolerable. Thank you! Love, Sherelle >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >CC: sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: the Cause, NJC >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:49:16 EST > > >Hi Sherelle! > > > I LOVE your post! Thanks for sharing you thoughts! You are my kind >of >person!!! I'm keeping the whole post in below incase somebody didn't get >to >read it. > > One black woman friend who is now a lawyer is so incredible in her >outlook and ability to get over the hurt of the past. She goes as far as >to say >"thank God for slavery" because she is where she is now. I guess I could >say >the thank God for Communism and the oppression my ancestors experienced in >Poland which lead to them immigrating to America, to where I am now. I >hear >other recovering alcoholics thank God for their alcoholism... I admit, I'm >not >there yet. > > You are awesome Sherelle! > > One of my best friends who recently died of cancer was in an >interracial >marriage and has the most beautiful children... one in NY, one in CT, and >one working on a medical doctorate in WI. My son likes a little girl in >his >class who is a shade darker in skin color from him, a very beautiful girl >from >a beautiful interracial family. > > Prejudice seems to show it's face the same way regardless of what it >lashes out at. And, it seems a rebound prejudice is only human nature >too. The >awesome part is that the ignorance can end and is ending as generations >pass. I love your wisdom Sherrelle. Thanks for a very uplifting post. > >Love, >Laura > >PS. I spent the morning with a friend who lives on the street and is not >only a different race from me but also a different sex. When we left the >place >together where we connected, there were other friends of mine (black and >white) standing outside the building. As we drove by them, they didn't >wave to >me like they usually do but only glanced at me and my friend quickly with >looks of disapproval on their faces. I waved... One of my sons told me >later >that they had asked my friend to leave the building. I love them and my >street friend. I don't pretend to understand any of them, but I sure do >love them > all. My friend and I were on our way to the Social Security department. >He put me incharge of his money today because he keeps getting robbed on >the >street. I was so surprised and honored that he picked me to be his >overseer. >There's no way I can find him out there on the streets usually. He >doesn't >have my phone number and doesn't want it. He simply said to me when we >parted, "I'll see you at church." > >check out: buildthedream.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:22:00 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Southern Man was: re: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards -njc > Hey, hey! I resemble that statement. Actually people tell me I dance > rather well but I just don't feel like I do. :-p If people are telling you that you dance rather well, John, then you dance rather well. Just keep doing what you're doing. (A little to the left ... now the right ... yes, there!!) : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:23:40 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: a strange thing about Hejira I keep telling you all, it's a "boom boom pachyderm." Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:23:37 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: was: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards- Now: Dancing Queens-njc You know what they say, leather is just another form of drag... so what do you wear when you ride? Harley boots? Thigh-highs with stilletos? (No, that's more of a dominatrix thang... hmmm...) Steve >>> Lori Fye 2/22/2005 9:13:32 AM >>> > My tongue was firmly planted as well. (Insert wicked grin here...) Steve, I know that. Just teasing you back, ya leather clad queen!! Lori, once upon a time in flannel shirt and "dyking" boots ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:22:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: the Cause NJC Oh Julius!!! Now I am perclempt!!! Thank you for your beautiful post as well!!! Love, Sherelle >From: JRMCo1@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, lrfye58@gmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: the Cause NJC >Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:00:36 EST > >Sherelle: > >Thank you for your beautifully written, and for me, life-affirming post. >I >don't think I was quite due for a good cry, but I availed myself of one >anyway. It's a feel-good thing though, these tears. > >Goodness, Sherelle...you write so sweetly, you sing like a siren, you >act...I >can't wait till you start dabbling in dance and architecture! Thanks >again. > I think my heart will stay warm for quite a while after this one. > >-Julius > > >In a message dated 2/18/05 11:55:20 AM, sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Sometimes, it doesn't have to be anything more than that. I love the >music > > of Lynard Skynard even though I have heard in the past "Sweet Home >Alabama" > > promotes a stand for racism. I chose to believe that they just loved >their > > home, that's all. Though I see the confederate flag pasted as a backdrop >on > > concert footage, I choose to try to only see their music. It's hard >though. > > "Freebird" is a classic as well as their song (butchering the name) "Can >You > > Smell That Smell". I think his name was Ronnie Van Zant had a >premonition > > that he would die at an early age and that song is an eerie prediction >of > > his death along with "Freebird". I also think they had the best back up > > singers in the business at the time. They rocked. I guess I will leave >it at > > that. There is so much more to people than just their prides and >prejudices. > > I am an optimist and believe that there is always room for change. >Here's > > hoping.... > > > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:26:35 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: vertical dancing vs. horizontal bop was Re: Southern Man, etc....njc - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Okay, there's an exception to every rule, and I happen to know (not > carnally, however, but only because we are both "married") that YOU, > Em, are the exception to ... every rule. lol, thanks Lori. I do take that as a compliment. Its so much fun *not* painting by numbers. I like this list because I detect very little "painting by numbers" among you, and thats so refreshing. We seem to be really different musically - what seems wonderful to one, seems the worst cr_p to another. And yet everyone *cares* about their music so very much. Its not like whatever Clearchannel feeds us is ok. "NO MORE JELLO, MOM!" Thanks for being there Lori. And all. Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:26:02 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: rap, njc >But why the rap on rap? >In the 60s, Mr. Dylan said, "don't criticize what you don't understand." I don't prefer rap. . . I mean, it seems to me that Rap is rhythm without melody. . . rhythm without melody (reminds me of "passion without mercy," . . . just the sound of it) and I just don't prefer it. I do think it is a form of poetry. . an expression. . any expression is a good thing I think. . . being an art teacher, we put the radio on when the kids are doing their projects. . . They want to put a cd on I tell them as long as does not have swearing and I don't want to hear rap. The students at my school are probably 55% to 65% black, but I don't think it is a bad thing to state a preference. . and they know I am not racist toward black people. . ps. I allow them to listen to only joni. . jk Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:25:28 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Online radio NJC Hi Cindy! Thank you for the kind words and for the link. Pooh! I can't listen to the stream at work. (they disabled it) but I will listen to it tonight when I get home! I can't wait to hear it!!!! Love, Sherelle >From: "Cynthia Vickery" >To: "David Henderson" >,garret@hatstand.org, >CC: "Joni Mitchell List" >Subject: Re: Online radio NJC >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:57:37 -0600 > > ><swear by Live365.com - a lot of different stations, many free, >for some you need a membership.>> > >oh, i really enjoy Live365 (http://www.live365.com). i've heard >some amazing things there that i'd never have found, left to my >own devices. there are a zillion stations that you can listen to >at no cost (i really like "into the mystic"), and supposedly a >zillion and a half more if you ante up the membership fee. there >are tons of commercials on the free version, too, but ehhh... >not annoying enough to make me pay up, yet. > >also, yahoo has launchcast (http://music.yahoo.com/), which is >old news, i guess, but you can program in what you like, and >launchcast will play you stuff that is *like* that, so you hear >some new stuff, but it's still in the same ballpark as your >favorites. > >and speaking of such, SHERELLE - i heard this amazing cover of >"ode to billy joe" on Live365 that made me think of you.... >you'll have to listen to see why. listen here - >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jeansynodinos2. she took this song and >turned it into something else entirely, a treatment that made me >smile and made me remember where you took "edith and the >kingpin." (BOB MULLER - you MUST listen to this, too!) > >happy monday, all! > >cindy, who has neatly tied together threads about internet radio >AND top 50 songs AND southern anthems. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:29:18 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Press Release Source: Starbucks Coffee Company Press Release Source: Starbucks Coffee Company Joni Mitchell and Starbucks Hear Music Produce and Release Two New CDs Tuesday February 22, 8:01 am ET One CD Features Mitchell's Favorite Songs by Artists Who Inspire Her; The Other is a Compilation of Her Songs as Selected by Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, Prince and More SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 22, 2005-- Starbucks Coffee Company (Nasdaq:SBUX - News) today announced the release of two exclusive CDs, both of which were produced by Starbucks Hear Music(TM) in collaboration with Joni Mitchell. Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice(TM) and Joni Mitchell: Selected Songs are exclusively available at Starbucks Company-operated stores in North America. Starbucks Hear Music's newest CD releases provide unique insight into Mitchell's singular genius: Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice(TM) consists of eighteen of Mitchell's favorite songs. Featuring song-by-song commentary written by Mitchell, the album provides a revealing glimpse into the artist's personal and aesthetic inspirations, which are as richly diverse as her own musical catalogue. As her celebrated forays into the genre would suggest, jazz (the DeBussy classic "Clare de Lune," Billie Holiday's "Solitude," Miles Davis' "It Never Entered My Mind," and more) figures prominently in Mitchell's selections. Among the album's surprises are Chuck Berry's "Johnny Be Good" and the New Radicals' "You Get What You Give." Joni Mitchell: Selected Songs is a collection of Mitchell's songs, all of which were selected for inclusion on the album by a broad range of friends and fellow musicians who have been influenced by the legendary artist. Participants include Prince, Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, and Chaka Khan. For the first time since Starbucks Hear Music launched its popular Opus(TM) series in February 2001, world renowned artists were asked to choose their favorite song from a fellow musician's catalogue and their picks formed the album. "By the end of the 20th century it seemed to me that the muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the 'ic,'" Joni Mitchell said. "Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and beauty were passe. I got the picture. I quit the business. I volunteered to take part in the Starbucks Hear Music project in order to force myself to review the songs and compositions that, over the course of my life, really got to me. I was about to receive an honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it was that I had once loved about it." "We are honored to have had the opportunity to team with Joni Mitchell, a true music legend, to offer our customers, who are passionate music fans, the chance to learn more about her musical inspirations and the impact she's had on other world-renowned musicians," said Ken Lombard, president, Starbucks Entertainment. "We are delighted to be able to offer our customers unique perspective on Joni Mitchell's talent and musical legacy." Joni Mitchell: Selected Songs is a musical testament to the impact Mitchell has had on other world-renowned singers and songwriters: About his choice of "Free Man in Paris" (from the album Court and Spark), Bob Dylan says "I always liked this song because I'd been to Paris and understood what being a free man there was all about ... I'm not so sure that the meaning I heard in the song was what Joni intended, but I couldn't stop listening to it." "It's nearly impossible to choose between the intimate, emotionally raw songs of Blue and the novelist's eye for details in a portrait song such as 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering,'" explains Elvis Costello. "I chose 'For The Roses' (from the album of the same name) for inclusion on Joni Mitchell: Selected Songs because it is somewhere in between -- there are tiny details of a lover's infidelity, but the musical tone is also confidential and it sets up a bold and unflinching look at an artist trying to detach from the deceits of fame." To purchase either CD, go to a Starbucks Company-operated store in North America, or visit: www.starbucks.com or www.hearmusic.com. About Starbucks Hear Music's Artist's Choice(TM) Series Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice(TM) is the newest release from Starbucks Hear Music's acclaimed Artist's Choice(TM) series, which also includes compilations from Norah Jones, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Sheryl Crow, Ray Charles, Rolling Stones, Diana Krall, Sarah McLachlan, Emmylou Harris, Yo Yo Ma and others. About Starbucks Hear Music's Opus(TM) Series Joni Mitchell: Selected Songs is a new spin on another popular Starbucks Hear Music album series, Opus, in which Starbucks Hear Music compiles great songs by essential artists including Frank Sinatra, Nina Simone, Elvis Presley, Otis Redding, Aretha Franklin and The Beach Boys. About Starbucks Hear Music Founded in 1990, and acquired by Starbucks Coffee Company in 1999, Starbucks Hear Music is the voice of music at Starbucks. Starbucks Hear Music is dedicated to creating a new and convenient way for consumers to discover, experience and acquire all genres of great music through its unique editorial voice, CD compilations, and music programming for Starbucks coffeehouses worldwide, as well as its innovative partnerships with other music labels to produce, market and distribute both exclusive and non-exclusive music. In 2004, Starbucks Hear Music launched a 24-hour digital music channel with XM Satellite Radio (XM Channel 75), the Starbucks Hear Music(TM) Coffeehouse in Santa Monica where customers can select from over 15,000 CDs or burn their own custom mixes, and the Starbucks Hear Music(TM) media bars, a service that offers custom CD burning at select Starbucks retail locations in Seattle and Austin. Starbucks Hear Music(TM) CDs are featured at Hear Music and Starbucks retail locations, as well as www.starbucks.com and www.hearmusic.com. MULTIMEDIA AVAILABLE: http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/mmg.cgi?eid=4827171 Contact: Edelman Elisa Wiefel, 323-202-1069 elisa.wiefel@edelman.com or Starbucks Entertainment Emily Glassman, 206-318-7933 emily.glassman@starbucks.com or For Joni Mitchell interview requests, please contact Muse Media Alisse Kingsley, 323-467-8508 alissethemuse@aol.com or http://www.businesswire.com/cnn/sbux.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:36:02 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: The list - NJC > For the record, I wasn't offended for myself. I just wanted to cut > this off at the pass before it got out of hand. (Fat lot of good my > efforts did, eh?) > > Lori > Whoa! Trust me...it did a lot of good. It did ME a whole lot of good. Thank you, Lori. Love, Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:36:41 -0500 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: cocteau twins pur (njc) The CTwins were such a great band - I saw them on their "Milk and Kisses" tour in London and they absolutely blew me away live. They are getting back together to perform at the Cochella Festival in CA this year - hopefully they'll decide to do some more dates after that. Siouxsie & The Banshees did the same thing two years ago, and ended up on their "7 Year Itch" tour following the festival. My fave CT album, by the way, is "Blue Bell Knoll". It was the first one I heard, and its never too far from my CD player. Reuben On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:16:00 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: > pur is one of my favorite cocteau twins songs too. > > now could someone PLEASE tell me WHAT the lyrics say???? i hear something > different every time i play it. (incidentally, i've been playing it a lot > lately.) > > "legends won't lose meaning. destroy the object but still survive!" (my > latest version) > > wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:40:24 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: a strange thing about Hejira It looks like a "notched doll" to me. Doug Lori Fye wrote: >I keep telling you all, it's a "boom boom pachyderm." > >Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:42:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: needling and negative? njc Okay i know I should let it drop, I just hate being lied about; here is every post I have addressed to you david. Perhaps you could tell me how this amounts to constant needling and negativity and where I have called upon you to apoligise. I have capitalised some things for emphasis. I wrote about our common enjoyment of janis ian: Yes I have many of hers too. I think she imporved with age as well. Her later albums are my favourites. Janis has written some heartbreaking songs.-17, Star, Jesse, to name just 3. David Henderson wrote: > > >I know I brought this on, and I did not mean to offend you personally >because of my intense dislike of this one particular LP. > YOU DIDN'T OFFEND ME. As I pointed out, my COMMENTS WERE NOT ABOUT YOU. I often get off on a tangent by some post or other. > Don't you think >part of the "discussion" of art is to spar? I think it's heathly, and I like >a good argument. > I agree. > I think criticism makes us stop and think more deeply about >the art in question. > Not necesarily. > I have always thought that in a world without >criticism, most people would barely "glance" at most art. IMHO > > > well here we do differ. i fail to see any merit in criticism and have thought for a very long time that being a 'critic' for a living is a waste of a life. Yet here I am being a critic! Still, I hear what iw ant to hear, see what i wish, and read whast and i form my own opinion of all i perceive. i don't need someone else to tell me what i should have percevied. We all percieve differently and that is how it is. We have a huge sculpture in this country called The Angle of The North. i think it is wonderful. The genraly consunsus seems to be that is an eyesore. yet to me I find it moves me in a way i can't descroibe. It is HUGE and made of iron, I think, and stands on a hill somehwere in the northeast, arms spread, looking out at the world. Why ought I to care that others think it is dreadful? Does that mean the feeling it elicits from me is counterfeit or not worthy? I also love that piece of music called Popcorn, it makes me feel. The movie, The Sound Of Music, and that fun song Barbie. To most critics I have heard of, they are crap. So be it. Crap moves me...... David Henderson wrote: > I just think Torch is a perfect example of a singer with no >standards experience > mmm. not so . her background is such songs. she sang them all her life, grew up with them and even knew some of the writers as family friends. > and no interpretive skills for a song > many disagree with you. we can't all like the same thing and don't all hear alike either. > > I was about 22 when it first came out. I had been a Carly obsessive for years already and was hugely disappointed with it. Not because of her voice or anything but I couldn't understand the songs or why she would choose to put an album of such old fashioned songs out. As the years have gone by, i really appreciate this album, along with My Romance and Film Noir and regularly choose to listen to them. I think Carly's handicap with some people( AND i AM NOT REFERRING YOU AND YOUR OPINION OF THIS ALBUM) is that she is perceived as a spoilt rich girl and therefore has nothing to say. Inverted snobbery. Some have even said she cannot sing or can't sing in tune which makes them sound stupid. We can't all like the same singers but to make such dumb satements about why is beyond me. The two people I like the most, music wise, and have all their works, is Carly and Joni. They couldn't be more different. I don't consider one better than the other. Both are so different. Again, Carly gets put down because her lyrics are simple. Yet they say so much and and are to the point and clever. She knows how to write a song. And she can be very funny and bitchy. Joni's songs are very different and not so easy to understand lyrically and some people allow that to influence them into thinking she is some sort of lyrical genius and is more 'deep and meaningful', when often I think she is just up herself or pandering to the pseuds. Both have talent, imo, and both bring me much pleasure. I don't compare them and I don't qualify or quanitfy(?). The beauty of their work is very much in the ear of the listener and I have little time for poncy analysis of their works by people who like to try and appear ever so more intelligent or more sensitive than the rest of us. Either we enjoy something or we don't. No amount of flowery critiquing will make a jot of difference. My partner, a trained opera singer and classical music buff, thinks Joni stinks-can't sing but he does recognzie that musically she is good and interesting but other than that he can't stand her. But then he does like Bjork who I think is dreadful. On the other hand he thinks Carly's voice is one pf the best around. And he thinks Kiri Te Kenawa's voice is too hard. I can't hear that. I still lsiten to what I enjoy to and he is kind enough to NOT PLAY OPERA WHILST I AM aROUND BECAUSE IT GRATES ON MY EARS. 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