From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #81 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 20 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 081 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Southern Man was: re: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards -njc [colin ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Southern_Man_was:_re:_Anybody_Watch_the_Gram my_Awards_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?-njc?= ["mike pri] Was: Anybody Watch / Now: bfiurbviuhkjvbi woihq - njc [Smurf ] A Feast of Banquets [Bob Muller ] Sherelle's post NJC ["David Henderson" ] Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards/junkfood -njc now where the great music is- montreal next weekend! ["Kate Benn] PAINT IT BLACK njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Internet radio njc [Randy Remote ] revisiting Joni's choice [mags h ] Re: Musical date (NJC) ["Donna Binkley" ] Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online [Randy Remote ] Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! [Phyliss ] Re: CSN in 72 / 74 [Doug ] Re: CSN in 72 / 74 [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:03:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Southern Man was: re: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards -njc Mark or Travis wrote: > > And why do straight people love to boogie down to 'YMCA'? I've seen > tv footage of people at football games getting up to make the > letters. It boggles my mind every time! > > Mark E. in Seattle The ymca video is often shown whenever theya re doign 'hits of the past' type show. it amazes me now that this song and video were such a hit consdiering the time. It was outrageous and veyr funny. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:13:48 +0000 From: colin Subject: re: Fresh Air interview njc kate@katebennett.com wrote: >re my statement > we are never victims in reality> > >colin> that I don't believe to be true. > >People , especially children, are often victimised by stuff beyond their >control.< > >you are so right, my hasty comment was not well expressed at all... i was >thinking in terms of adults & perceptions (this discussion grew out of our >thoughts regarding giving up a child for adoption) ... adults, i believe >have the opportunity to change their perception about what may have >happened to them in their childhood which can completely turn things >around for themselves (rather than remain in the limiting victim role)... > > yes we can. we are the result of what we think about the past, how we interpreted things, and not of what actually happened. However, we can still be victims of stuff. I don't find victim a dirty word. We can all be victims of something and I don't know anyone who can go thru life without being at some point. I think those for whom it becomes a role are those that can only live in that pain and not move. often they choose to nnot move on but usally becasue they don't have the knowledge to move on. Knoweldge is eveything. It also is not as simple as just being told a new way to think or shown the alternaives-it has to 'sink in'. And that depends entirely on someone beign able to ge trhu the gulit/sahme which often prevents someone changing. I know of a man, about my age now, who I met at a gruop for victims/survivours. this poor guy is still in a terrible mess. He suffers greatly. As yet, no one has been able to get thru to him. As with most of us his abuse involved telling him it didn't happen but in his case he was very clositered when young and only had his mother as he was kept away from others. so he was constantly lied to, his reality denied etc. Now he finds it impossible to believe anyone and so teaching him new ways to think, pointing out how wrong his abusers were, doesn't work. however, the mere fact he looked for help is at the very least a seed of a recogniton that something isn't right for him. It is very sad. I guess we can only hope that one day something will get thru and he can lessen his suffering. Lack of trust is a terrible burden and his is almost complete and thus he is stuck. Not his fault. He was taught this from the earliest age. >colin clearly you have done such a thing & have becomed very empowered by >it... my guess is that this somehow connected with the fact that you have >someone who dearly loves you & vice versa... > not just John. I have Judy a close friend since 79 and ken and thelma since 82. They have all loved me. This all helped tho it was very confusing to me. I didn't understadn love and always wondered what they wanted from me. Then i met a man who was to become my therapist and he committted to me 24/7 and kept his word. 5 years of the worst pain and he guided me thu it, never letting me down. always being there and letting me come out without telling me what i ought to think, telling me what he thought was 'wrong' with me. No. He always showed me accpetance and love. He said to me recently that he realised on our second meeting that the only way I wasa going to helped was by him maiking that committment to be there 24/7. This was no 50 minute once a week therapy. this was 3am coming to our home. This was calling on the phone, taking calls even at work. He 're parented' me and we are still in touch occasionally. Strangely, we had not talked for many months and last eyar when i hit that awful depression sep to dec, he called me out of the blue. I was so shocked he did just then and he said he had been thinking about me and knew he had to call. Talkoing with him hlped me to clarify for myself the state I was in and it helped me deal with it until it passed. By then, I had also realised that despite my strongly held belief to the contrary, there wa snothing I could about the depression and i would just have to sit tight until it went. It was very diffiuclt becasue the paranoia that came with it was very strong but I was able to say to myself'see how you feel about these people later, for now put it aside'. It was hard but I was able to and eventually the depression went and the paranoia went with it. The women in my life have been the reason, i believe, that i didn't lose it altogether when young. As far back as I recall, there was always a female neighbour, school teacher or someone who really saw me and was caring toward to me. I am convinced this stopped me losing my soul. > speaking of which i was very >touched by your recent post about how much john loves you & you love >him... > > > thanks. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:34:47 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Southern_Man_was:_re:_Anybody_Watch_the_Gram my_Awards_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?-njc?= Mark E said >>And why do straight people love to boogie down to 'YMCA'? I've seen tv footage of people at football games getting up to make the letters. It boggles my mind every time!<< Lori said Oh yeah, THAT's a happy song! "Four dead in Ohio ..." Do these people LISTEN to what they're singing??? Brad wrote >The other day, the local FM "classic rock" station was playing CSN&Y "Ohio". I had to explain to the office what it was about. They were happily singing along with the radio without a clue.< The cut'n'paste chronology may not be correct here but no matter. Here are a few comments and a possible answer to these questions. I well remember 'singing along' with Spanish, Brazilian and French songs in my youth, without having the encumbrance of having to learn these languages. The meaning of the words was a mystery to me, although I knew how they sounded and could sing along OK, up to a point anyway. Moving to Catalonia was an eye-opener; practically all the classic rock songs (Doors, Stones, Santana, Zeppelin, Beatles, Cure and a very long etc) are written in English and it was very strange at first, and even 14 years later, to hear my friends, colleagues and students singing along to these bands, in many, many cases without a clue about the semantic content of the songs they were singing. What does this mean? It could mean that the words mean much less than a thumping bass and screaming guitar when you are out with your friends having a good time. Imagine a hot sweaty disco in 1993ish with swarms of happy young people dancing like dervishes and singing 'fkhgkas hskjhsk sjqhooq loosing (sic) my religion, bfiurbviuhkjvbi woihq'. Reader, it has happened to me many times. OK, all that doesn't explain how people can miss the political content in 'Four dead in Ohio' or the irony in 'Born in the USA' etc. I think many people really do not listen that closely to the lyrics, even in their own language. How else to explain the joy people find in singing along to 'Hey Joe' (man kills woman and other man gives advice about how to escape the law), 'Delilah' (man kills woman after stalking her), to name just two examples of very popular songs that are loved by many people? I'm sure other jonilistas will be able to offer many other examples of this phenomenon. There is a lot of racist, sexist and homophobic content out there and not much seems to be done about it. 'Turn up the music, I can still hear the words'... mike in barcelona, who may be needing your help soon with more advice about where to find sexist lyrics in popular songs. I may be about to get the green light to write a doctoral thesis about this very topic. NP Wilko - being there ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Was: Anybody Watch / Now: bfiurbviuhkjvbi woihq - njc Mike wrote: > Imagine a hot sweaty disco in 1993ish > with swarms of happy young > people dancing like dervishes and singing 'fkhgkas > hskjhsk sjqhooq loosing > (sic) my religion, bfiurbviuhkjvbi woihq'. Reader, > it has happened to me many > times. Could that be because you're Welsh, Mike? >mike in barcelona, who may be needing your help soon with more advice about where to find sexist lyrics in popular songs. I may be about to get the green light to write a doctoral thesis about this very topic. Ha! Prepare for the deluge, Mike! Congratulations (I hope). This could be a truly great project. - --Smurf NPIMH: "Stupid Girl" and about a thousand other songs by the Rolling Stones __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:25:00 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website Did anyone catch Joni's Australian connection? One of her teachers in the 6th grade was an Australian guy who told Joni not to copy because it would kill her imagination. Did anyone catch his name or where he was from in Australia? Mark in Sydney. NP Was (Not Was) - Somewhere In America There's a Street Named After My Dadf. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Did anyone catch Joni's Australian connection? One > of her teachers in > the 6th grade was an Australian guy who told Joni > not to copy because > it would kill her imagination. Did anyone catch his > name or where he > was from in Australia? > > Mark in Sydney. That was Mr. Kratzman, "who taught me to love words." There are many articles on him at the jmdl library. Just go here: http://www.jmdl.com/library/ and do a text search on "Kratzman". Here's an early one: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=793 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: A Feast of Banquets David Henderson wrote: Quite the opposite, David...there are MANY recordings of it. The '83 WTRF tour that featured the electrified revisions of Banquet, Song For Sharon, and others was heavily bootlegged, and lots of shows are in circulation. Mannfred Mann's Earth Band did a cover of Banquet, which was not exactly Led Zeppelin but was a tad more upbeat than the FTR recording. They changed some of the lyrics around as well. Led Zeppelin did cover "Woodstock" on their 1975 tour, and a recording of that is in our collection. Bob Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:52:08 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Sherelle's post NJC >Sherelle said: >I'm really enjoying the exchange of thoughts and ideas on this subject. I >can't tell you how refreshing it is to bring these ideas out into the open. >I was just sitting here reading all of the posts thinking about my own >feelings as an African American person. Hmmm.... Fantastic post, Sherelle! It's hard for me to feel as positive as you do about this state of affairs, but I try . . . I certainly hope for and push for a positive outcome. I work hard to be out there, to educate, to befriend. And I guess I do believe that one day we will all treat each other as equals even though I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. And that makes me sad. I am a Southerner, and I don't think there's anything acceptable about "Heritage not hate" bumper stickers. If the confederate flag had been created long before or after The Civil War as a celebration of Southern living, I might buy it. But the confederate flag was created during The Civil War as a direct statement against the north. No, slavery was not the only issue around The Civil War, but it was definitely the most personal and most explosive issue. Any Southerners who think African-Americans or anyone else should accept or embrace the 'southern cross' are either bigots or idiots, imho. That flags represents the ugliest episode in American history and nothing more. And that makes me sad. Mama's side of the family - the family I grew up with in Louisiana - definitely fall into the redneck category. Most of them are such wonderful people - very "Louisiana" people - laidback, funny, loving and always ready to party and dance . . . endless big feasts and any excuse for a celebration. Still, I know they all rushed to the polls in November to deny me, a gay man, rights equal to theirs. These middle-class Baptists spend a lot of money sending their children to the Catholic high school, so they do not have to go to public school with any kids of color, just as they did when I was growing up. And they live in constant fear that people who do not share their religious beliefs will bring the world crashing down on them. Liking them - loving many of them - loving my homeland - does not make me feel as hopeful as I would like about these relationships. And it's hard to feel angry with people you care about and understand on so many levels. I thought things would be so much further along by the time I reached my fourth decade on this planet. Often, I feel hopeless. And that makes me really sad. I promise a happier post next time! God bless, David NP Robert Flack, Come Ye Disconsolate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:54:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Anybody Watch the Grammy Awards/junkfood -njc now where the great music is- montreal next weekend! Smurf>I couldn't help but think of all the great music that is being made right now by first-rate performers who may never get the exposure a show like the this< Was just thinking this very same thing & wanting to share an extraordinary event with anyone in the vicinity of montreal next weekend-folk alliance is so very much more than the name implies.it is an amazing gathering of all kinds of musicians from all over the globe & if you go you will be blown away by how much incredible music is being made that does not make it to mainstream media. http://www.folkalliance.net/conference/index.php The informal guerilla showcases held in various hotel rooms at all hours of the night are the heart & soul of this incredible experience. if you are in the area I promise you that you should not miss this if you can help it as next year it will be somewhere else! It breaks my heart not to be there but it moves around the country every year so I do go when it is closer to home. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:57:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: PAINT IT BLACK njc A perfect song to have listened to during the angst ridden teen years however... I have always loved the simplicity of this piece of music... only two different sections back & forth... mesmerizing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:28:45 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Internet radio njc I'm always ready to plug our local community station, KMUD-FM, Garberville, Calif. They are very eclectic, playing jazz, classical, rock, reggae, and talk shows. Checking out the guide is a good idea. And they have Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now", the best lefty news show in the US every day at noon PST. (I also did a comedy show on this station for 5 1/2 years in the 90's.) http://www.kmud.org Garret wrote: > Any good radio stations that can be listened to online? > GARRET > > NP- Patti Smith, Free Money (live 11 aug 2003) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: revisiting Joni's choice To clarify, I have heard Joni say that she had no choice but to surrender Kelly Green. I don't hear her say she was a victim in this. What I do hear is a soulful expression of excrutiating pain. Like white flags of winter chimneys, waving truce against the moon, she holds up her pain from that experience as her truth. She surrenders. This is the point I'm trying to make, Joni's truth is that she had no choice. From a distant shore of "rational, logical thought", one might see that there was a "choice" ... either Joni "chooses" to keep the baby, or she gives her up .. pretty "simple" from that point of view. However, as Joni has said, 1965 was a very different landscape from the "now" that we live in. For her own reasons, the ones she has made public, the ones she has not, Joni felt she had no choice but to surrender her baby girl. Keeping her was not an option that she could sort out. Joni was "penniless" and felt that she did not/would not have had the acceptance or support from her parents. Given the pressure to "do the right thing", from doctors, nurses, the nuns, the social atmosphere of 1965, no wonder she did what she did. Sure, we can site all kinds of cases from that time, however, this does not change Joni's reality. It was a brave thing for me to disclose that I've been in a similar situation, which is in part, why I feel as strongly about this topic. I relate to her journey, her experience, the path that Joni walked and continues to walk. It's a fine line, a tight rope, hovering over a dangerous precipice. To take a stainless steel scalpel and peel away all the layers, the raw and ragged edges, to put forth that it's a done deal, to say that Joni had a choice, is to discount the magnitude of what she went through. We may never know "exactly" what Joni thought, felt, went through, or anyone else for that matter, but rest assured, what I "can" do is express, with a great deal of (com)passion and knowing from that place of experience, the sheer razor sharp hell of facing such a "choice". I write this with the utmost respect for all of the thoughts, opinions and tender feelings which have been expressed, carefully rendered upon these pages by others. I'm not attacking anyone else's thought process, I am giving expression to my own reactions. It is my intention to offer an alternate way of seeing. Most of all, I am grateful for all of the posts on this subject as they have helped to inform and clarify how I feel about this. Thank you for propelling me to express my thoughts, just so. Mags np: silence Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:07:29 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Musical date (NJC) Wow, thank you Lori, that's very generous, I accept! And look forward to seeing you and Mary again! I'll get with you in another week or two when I book my flight. Love ya, db >>> Lori Fye 2/18/2005 4:01:46 PM >>> Sherelle, if you'll let me know when tix go on sale, I'll spend the night in line to buy two for Mary and me! : ) And ... Donna? What's this talk of a hotel?? You can stay with us, "real good for free." We live only a Metrorail ride away from where Sherelle will be playing. Lori This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:00:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online You can now order them from Starbucks/Hear Music for $15 & $13 at: (Artists Choice CD) http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/product.asp?category%5Fname=Artists+Choice&product%5Fid=JONI&artist=Joni+Mitchell Intro page has nice pic: http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/artist.asp?category%5Fname=Artists+Choice&artist=Joni+Mitchell ("Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians") http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/product.asp?category%5Fname=Opus+Collections&product%5Fid=JoniOpus As mentioned previously, they only ship orders to the United States and Canada, excluding Quebec, Puerto Rico and Guam. If your shipping is a PO Box they hit you for $8.50 shipping, UPS is $5. I am willing to help those outside of US & Canada to get these, contact me off list. The track listings are: Artists Choice 1.Clair de Lune from Suite Bergamasque, PHILIPPE ENTREMONT 2.Subtle Lament, DUKE ELLINGTON AND HIS ORCHESTRA 3.Solitude, BILLIE HOLIDAY 4.It Never Entered My Mind, MILES DAVIS 5.Jeeps Blues, DUKE ELLINGTON AND HIS ORCHESTRA 6.Harlem In Havana, JONI MITCHELL 7.Saturday Night Fish Fry, LOUIS JORDAN 8.Johnny B. Goode, CHUCK BERRY 9.Third World Man, STEELY DAN 10.Night Bird, DEEP FOREST 11.The First Twilight, DEEP FOREST 12.Les Trois Cloches (The Three Bells), EDITH PIAF 13.At Last, ETTA JAMES 14.Lonely Avenue, RAY CHARLES 15.Trouble Man, MARVIN GAYE 16.Sweetheart Like You, BOB DYLAN 17.Stories Of The Street, LEONARD COHEN 18.You Get What You Give, NEW RADICALS Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians 1.For Free, SELECTED BY DAVID CROSBY 2.A Case of You, SELECTED BY PRINCE 3.Free Man in Paris, SELECTED BY BOB DYLAN 4.For the Roses, SELECTED BY ELVIS COSTELLO 5.Coyote, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON 6.Raised on Robbery, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON 7.Blue, SELECTED BY GRAHAM NASH 8.Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire, SELECTED BY DONALD FAGEN OF STEELY DAN 9.A Strange Boy, SELECTED BY SEAL 10.Black Crow, SELECTED BY KD LANG 11.God Must Be A Boogie Man, SELECTED BY WALTER BECKER OF STEELY DAN 12.Two Grey Rooms, SELECTED BY CHAKA KHAN 13.Both Sides Now (orchestral version), SELECTED BY HERBIE HANCOCK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:31:46 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! This I found in Entertainment Weekly, 2/25/05 issue: (I'll excerpt the good parts): (Referring to the Grammy-winning Ray Charles' "Genius Loves Company," placed in S'bucks): "... through prominent counter placement and perpetual in-store display, helped drive sales of the release ... to more than 2 million ..." "You have to proactively [God, I hate that "word"] assess the consumer -- especially the adult consumer." "Tina Turner who partnered with Starbucks for her greatest hits CD ... notched her a No. 2 debut, the highest chart ranking of her career." Hey, this could really be a huge boon to Joni. Oh, wait. Then will everyone like her and we won't have our special artist all to ourselves anymore? Somehow I doubt the general public has the taste for her. But the Starbucks I went to last night had several prominent displays and the little cards stuck around reviewing Joni's career. Their graphics people really do a bang-up job in my opinion. Funny, the counter guy asked me repeatedly if I wanted a coffee. Hey, buster, I'm buyin' $30 worth of CD's here. That will help your bottom line more than a $3 cup of coffee! Enjoy your day. Ours here is rainy and windy. So much for Southern California sun! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > Hey, this could really be a huge boon to Joni. Oh, > wait. Then will > everyone like her and we won't have our special > artist all to ourselves > anymore? Somehow I doubt the general public has the > taste for her. It seems to me that enough people like Joni well enough to recognize the name and that they would buy a greatest hits CD at Starbucks. Are they cheaper than regular CDs would be? I haven't gone to my neighbourhood Sbucks yet, because I have an irrational phobia of the place. Maybe it's because they're so prolific. Maybe it's because they can't just have small, medium and large like everyone else, but have to give them those precious other names. But something about Starbucks raises my hackles and make me believe it's just.... evil... for some reason. > Funny, the > counter guy asked me > repeatedly if I wanted a coffee. Hey, buster, I'm > buyin' $30 worth of CD's > here. That will help your bottom line more than a > $3 cup of coffee! They should throw in a free coffee with every purchase. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:01:11 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: CSN in 72 / 74 A co-worker brought in a hard drive with dozens of Grateful Dead shows. Almost accidently, it also had some CSN / CSNY shows on it. In 72, they were doing mostly acoustic stuff. Stills seemed happy enough. The 74 show would have been around the time I saw them at Buffalo New York's Rich Stadium. As I recall promoter Bill Graham said Stills wasn't happy with his guitar sound yet. (subtext: Stills won't come out on time.) Bill Graham said, "He wants it to sound JUST RIGHT for you." (cheers and applause) Remember stadium shows? Wow, what a bad idea that was! Anyway, in 74 they had a conga player and a real band. Steven was obviously... not... feeling well but it didn't hamper his ability to play guitar one bit. Kinda strange. Half of the songs were... not... pitch-perfect. I don't think they had proper monitors. Paz, is it possible that Bill Graham didn't set them up with competent monitors so they could hear their harmonies? Although it was a sound-board recording, it might have been converted and re-converted too many times. The audio quality was really bad, even at work. If anyone is still reading, here's the real news: Some of the tracks had an uncredited but unmistakably familiar female vocal on them, enhancing the high harmonies. Sometimes, I don't think Joni could hear herself either. Maybe there was something in the (bong) water? Does anyone have a tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as a background vocalist? All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:06:04 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! Ha! There is a popular bumper sticker around Asheville that says "Friends don't let Friends buy Starbucks" Phyliss Catherine McKay wrote: >I haven't gone to my >neighbourhood Sbucks yet, because I have an irrational >phobia of the place. Maybe it's because they're so >prolific. Maybe it's because they can't just have >small, medium and large like everyone else, but have >to give them those precious other names. But something >about Starbucks raises my hackles and make me believe >it's just.... evil... for some reason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:47:05 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 Joni is definitely on track 9 of this recording. Unfortunately most of the between-song banter has been edited out and the sound quality is not-so-good. I believe she was the opening act. The show you have might be Wembley Arena, London - 14 Sept. 1974. there is a video (VCD) of it that I'm looking for. Doug CSNY Greek Theater L.A. Aug. 26 1969 1) Suite Judy Blue Eyes 2) Blackbird 3) Helplessly Hoping 4) Guinevere 5) My Lady Of The Island 6) Black Queen 7) Birds 8) I've Loved Her So Long 9) You Don't Have To Cry 10) So Begins The Task 11) Pre-road Downs 12) Long Time Gone 13) Bluebird 14) Sea Of Madness 15) Wooden Ships 16) Down By The River Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >A co-worker brought in a hard drive with dozens of Grateful Dead shows. >Almost accidently, it also had some CSN / CSNY shows on it. In 72, they >were doing mostly acoustic stuff. Stills seemed happy enough. > >The 74 show would have been around the time I saw them at Buffalo New York's >Rich Stadium. As I recall promoter Bill Graham said Stills wasn't happy >with his guitar sound yet. (subtext: Stills won't come out on time.) Bill >Graham said, "He wants it to sound JUST RIGHT for you." (cheers and >applause) Remember stadium shows? Wow, what a bad idea that was! > >Anyway, in 74 they had a conga player and a real band. Steven was >obviously... not... feeling well but it didn't hamper his ability to play >guitar one bit. Kinda strange. > >Half of the songs were... not... pitch-perfect. I don't think they had >proper monitors. Paz, is it possible that Bill Graham didn't set them up >with competent monitors so they could hear their harmonies? > >Although it was a sound-board recording, it might have been converted and >re-converted too many times. The audio quality was really bad, even at >work. If anyone is still reading, here's the real news: Some of the tracks >had an uncredited but unmistakably familiar female vocal on them, enhancing >the high harmonies. Sometimes, I don't think Joni could hear herself >either. Maybe there was something in the (bong) water? Does anyone have a >tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as >a background vocalist? > >All the best, >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:00:17 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 > Does anyone have a > tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as > a background vocalist? > > All the best, > Jim > Not I. But I've got the original tour poster, I think. Check that. I gifted it to Paz a few years back. That was the "So Far" tour, wasn't it? Joni did the art for the album of the same name and the same art is reprinted on the poster with the addition of Joan's handwritten tour dates. I know they did Oakland Coliseum that year...hence the Dead connection, maybe. Paz? Look at the poster and please advise, willya? It's probably rolled up in a cylinder somewhere in your studio. After *carefully* unfurling it, frame it (professionally, please) and hang it on the wall...while I'm still young, okay, beatch? :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #81 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)