From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #75 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 16 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 075 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: OMG Janis Joplin reality show NJC [Vince Lavieri ] re: Joni's 'choice' ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: sjc? Joni bashers [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: OMG Janis Joplin reality show NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: Joni's "choice" ["Mark or Travis" ] Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] choice [Kate ] RE: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? ["Richard Flynn" ] fresh air, little green [eaddy sutton ] NJC Re: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? NJC [Bob Muller ] re uncahined melody njc [colin ] Aerosmith is in Buick ads, 100% NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC [Smurf ] RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC ["hell" ] Re: Fresh Air interview [Catherine McKay ] Re: State of the List now JC [Michael Paz ] RE: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? ["David Henderson" ] Re: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? [Michael Paz Subject: Re: OMG Janis Joplin reality show NJC I can't believe the Joplin is doing this. Excuse me while I email Michael Joplin and ask him what the hell are they thinking. Vince Muskegon: my once and new home: Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us On Feb 16, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Em wrote: > http://www.nbc4.tv/irresistible/4194862/detail.html > > this is scary.... > I pray pray pray it isn't smarmy. But I fear that smarm will rule the > day. > sigh... > Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:42:17 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: re: Joni's "choice" Jerry Notaro wrote, I am going to stray from what may be the majority voice, but it was clearly Joni's choice. Many women of this era raised children as a single mother, including someone in a very similar situation, Mary Travers. In fact Mary may well have risked more, having already achieved success. I wonder how much of Joni's obvious ambition played into her decision. Certainly her mother and father would have been able to raise Kilauren. It happened with many families, including my own. My closest cousin went to Puerto Rico in 1967 for 5 months with her mother. They came back with an "adopted" baby. My aunt raised her as her own. My cousin went on to medical school and became one of New York's outstanding OB/GYNs, eventually marrying her daughter's father, who became a successful attorney after law school, and had another daughter. There were choices to be made, even back then. and now me: **** I dont know how else to say this so here goes...Jerry, , please be careful when judging Joni (or anyone in similar circumstances) by saying she had a "choice" . ... I am most interested in what kind of "choice" Joni had. Joni said herself she didnt have a choice. If you listen to her stories about this sad and painful time, she said she felt she couldnt tell her parents...this WAS 1965 after all..and Joni has also alluded to the shame , blame and labelling that unwed Mums endured. Regardless of the fact that Joni lived in the "big city" of Toronto, there were many pressures on unwed Mums to "do the right thing". Yea, sometimes, surrendering a child to adoption is "the right thing" but it's not that cut and dry, not that easy, never every easy. What the heck kind of choice is it to have to give up your own flesh and blood first and only born baby because you dont have the money/support/ in any way shape or form. ANd yea, the lucky ones got to keep and raise their babies, but that's not the situation for everyone. choice? hardly. Mags, who has been there done that, and could write a dissertation all about that kind of "choice". (dang, i hate getting all personal and sensitive about this ; sorry. Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:52:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: re: Joni's 'choice' Painful, yes. Some choices are. I saw the pain my mother went through when she chose abortion for her final pregnancy after already having five. But she had a choice. That is why we call it Pro Choice. I didnt judge my mother, and Im not judging Joni. Im just saying there were choices. Joni herself said, We called it Free Love. We learned nothing was free. Jerry mags h said: > Jerry Notaro wrote, > > > I am going to stray from what may be the majority voice, but it was > clearly > Joni's choice. Many women of this era raised children as a single > mother, > including someone in a very similar situation, Mary Travers. In fact > Mary > may well have risked more, having already achieved success. I wonder > how > much of Joni's obvious ambition played into her decision. Certainly her > mother and father would have been able to raise Kilauren. It happened > with > many families, including my own. My closest cousin went to Puerto Rico > in > 1967 for 5 months with her mother. They came back with an "adopted" > baby. My > aunt raised her as her own. My cousin went on to medical school and > became > one of New York's outstanding OB/GYNs, eventually marrying her > daughter's > father, who became a successful attorney after law school, and had > another > daughter. There were choices to be made, even back then. > > > and now me: > > **** I dont know how else to say this so here goes...Jerry, , please be > careful when judging Joni (or anyone in similar circumstances) by saying > she had a "choice" . ... I am most interested in what kind of "choice" > Joni had. Joni said herself she didnt have a choice. > > If you listen to her stories about this sad and painful time, she said she > felt she couldnt tell her parents...this WAS 1965 after all..and Joni has > also alluded to the shame , blame and labelling that unwed Mums endured. > Regardless of the fact that Joni lived in the "big city" of Toronto, there > were many pressures on unwed Mums to "do the right thing". Yea, sometimes, > surrendering a child to adoption is "the right thing" but it's not that > cut and dry, not that easy, never every easy. What the heck kind of choice > is it to have to give up your own flesh and blood first and only born baby > because you dont have the money/support/ in any way shape or form. ANd > yea, the lucky ones got to keep and raise their babies, but that's not the > situation for everyone. > > choice? hardly. > > Mags, who has been there done that, and could write a dissertation all > about that kind of "choice". > > (dang, i hate getting all personal and sensitive about this ; sorry. > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:09:41 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc? Joni bashers >Then Boopsie says: "GAWD, I feel myself going EPILEPTIC!" After the Joni-cops are done with her, let's turn her over to the WORD USAGE agents, Patti. They're of the same ilk that did Rodney King. Abu Ghraib hath no fury. Already, I feel her pain. :-) Surely, what Boops meant to say is that she was going APOPLECTIC: affected with, inclined to, or showing symptoms of APOPLEXY: to cripple by a sudden stroke; sudden diminution or loss of consciousness, sensation, and voluntary motion caused by rupture or obstruction of an artery of the brain. And the only known cure is "The Fiddle and the Drum" on a continuous loop, 24/7 via inner-ear microphone. Better get her therapy started right away... - -Julius In a message dated 2/16/05 10:14:43 AM, loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: > I don't usually post (or think, for that matter) anything negative, but > I've > been repeatedly threatening a friend/colleague that I am going to turn her > in to the Joni Police, and it now seems like the time is right. > > ************ > > This friend/colleague (let's call her Boopsie) phoned me one night and, > after exchanging hellos, she said: "Oh my GAWD!!!!!! Is that JONI MITCHELL > playing in the background?" > > I smiled inwardly and proudly said: "Yes!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:21:12 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: OMG Janis Joplin reality show NJC Em wrote: > http://www.nbc4.tv/irresistible/4194862/detail.html > > this is scary.... > I pray pray pray it isn't smarmy. But I fear that smarm will rule the > day. > sigh... > Em All I have to say to this is: You wanna make new Pearls Raise 'em up like sheep Make 'em out of wannabes And hopefuls If you please Make 'em nice and normal Make 'em nice and neat You see her with her hypo there? Face down in the sheets Oh what do you know about living in terminal overload? with all due respect to Janis, Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:34:48 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Fresh Air interview In addition, the baby's father, knowing he had an unborn child, ran away. He lit out for the other side of the continent which is no small thing to an unwed mother. Joni would have had to navigate various jurisdictions to get any financial support from him, in between burping Kelly and paying the rent... with no income. 'Nuff said, Lama Covington, KY Catherine in Toronto, ON said in part, >The baby was not "taken" in the sense of someone snatching her from Joni's arms, but, given her financial situation at the time and the attitudes towards unwed mothers, then there was a great deal of pressure put on Joni to put her daughter up for adoption and she felt (rightly so for the time) that she had no choice> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:46:17 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC In a message dated 15/02/2005 08:22:22 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: http://www.broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=2128 Daisy Eagan - Les Miserables, The Secret Garden, James Joyce's The Dead "Sit On My Face and Tell Me That You Love Me" Does anyone know this song. Never heard of it myself but i love it already. x Clive ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:14:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's "choice" I wasn't going to chime in on this one but had a few thoughts about it and had to leave for work before I could get them written down. First of all, as Mags and Jerry have both made clear, it is really impossible to actually know the thought processes, emotions and circumstances that prompt anybody to make one choice or another in a matter that will have such profound repercussions in more than one life unless we can actually walk in their shoes. And since none of us can say we truly know the inner workings of Joni's heart and mind in the present day, let alone 40 years ago, there is really no way for us to know what exactly prompted her to make the choices she did. I don't recall hearing any input from Kilauren's biological father and maybe at most (memory is not accurate on this) a nasty statement or two from Chuck Mitchell about the whole situation. So we pretty much have only Joni's version of events to rely on. I'm not going to rush to defend the validity of the sound bite 'Joni Mitchell never lies' as I think it was meant as a tribute to the honesty of her music and not meant to be taken literally. But I do think Joni has given us the story as accurately as her memory and emotions will allow. There are at least two of Joni's song lyrics that indicate that her mother was the chief moral authority in the Anderson family. In 'Let the Wind Carry Me', Mama believes in cleaning, teaches Joni the deeper meaning and thinks she spoilt her rotten. And in 'Face Lift' Joni implies that Myrtle is still judging her daughter and finding her morally lacking even in Joni's middle age. I find it interesting in the Wells Fargo Theatre broadcast from 1995 (was that really 10 years ago??!) that Joni introduces 'Face Lift' after she thinks the radio broadcast is over by saying something like 'Well my mother's 80 years old but she still has a strong...oh, we're still on the air!' and then she never finishes what she was going to say about Myrtle. Is she still fearful of Myrtle's judgement or of hurting her feelings? If that is indeed the case, think how much more fearful she must have been in 1965 when she found out she was pregnant. I can see how she might have felt unable to tell her parents. Maybe disappearing to stay with Aunt Lulabelle in Medicine Hat and coming back with a new 'baby sister' was out of the question. Maybe she didn't want to burden her middle-aged parents with having to raise another child. Whether Joni was in Toronto or not, Myrtle and Bill were still back in Saskatoon and the judgement would have fallen just as much on them as on Joni. Everyone is different and obviously Joni felt she was unable to handle the incredible pressure and difficulty of being a single mother. She did try the marriage route but the man she chose was not the baby's father and ultimately copped out on her. Maybe she felt the only responsible thing she could do for her baby in the end was to give it up. Surely an agonizing decision that she must have felt was forced on her, making it feel like her baby was 'taken' from her. I don't get the idea that Joni had great ambitions for becoming a famous singer or songwriter at the time she got pregnant. A record deal and stardom wouldn't come for another 3 years. In 1965 she hardly had a nickel to her name and a tentative foothold in the coffee house circuit. I just don't believe that it was ambition that prompted her to give up that baby. Whether she could have taken another path or not, I believe Joni genuinely felt that her back was against the wall and that to 'sign all the papers in the family name' was the only option available to her. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:16:40 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? What's up with giving Mavis Staples only 20 seconds on the occasion of her family's Lifetime Achievement? All they had to do was give the Staple Singers a 60 second presentation about Pops Staples' contribution to the Civil Rights Movement. Ya know: "Pops helped to open the door with a non-violent message." That would have sent a quick message of diversity, dignity and non-violence to the US in general (and the gansta-rap segment of CD buyers in particular). The recording industry would have looked a bit more sophisticated and smart too, for a change! They found time to educate us about copyrights (which I absolutely support of course) but a platinum-coated, once-in-a-decade, opportunity was lost. I'd rather not hear them mention Tim McGraw every 15 minutes for 3 hours, ya know? Is he the only country artist now? How exactly do you buy those product placements? And wasn't it weird when they read (from the podium) that Led Zeppelin were recognized for their Lifetime Achievement? The surviving players were in the audience, in LA. They put them on TV for 0.6667 seconds. Then, they were gone. No acceptance speech? No song from Led-fricken-Zepplin?! I'm just saying... Lama >I thought two were phenomenal - Alicia Keyes and Jamie Fox (They should do an album together)- and that Southern Rock salute with Skynard, Allman Brothers, Keith Urban, Elvin Bishop, etc. . . . That was f*****g incredible, especially for a Louisiana boy who grew up in the 70's!! AMAZING, the whole group!!> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:24:42 -0500 From: eaddy sutton Subject: Re: joni party On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:46 PM, Lori Fye wrote: >> I am thinking about hosting another Joni party and would like to get >> some new ideas. All you have to do is ask "Joni Mitchell?" and a >> fourth of the people in any room will start to babble and swoon, and >> you know it's time for a party. > > A fourth of the people will start to babble and swoon? Where are you > that you're so lucky to be surrounded by these people?? I wanna be > there too! > > Lori I work at a private school in Vermont and I almost always get some response when I toss out a reference to Joni. A workshop weekend with colleagues took on a "hexagram of the heavens" theme -- we were seeing them everywhere and wondering just what in the heck that false alarm was, for two whole days. (I still don't know what it is. . . good topic for the party, or the list, perhaps.) I was in the office the other day, preparing for class, when I came across the lines in Shakespeare's Caesar "I am as constant as the northern star . . . ." I was so psyched that I called out to the group of parents, staff and teachers "Joni? You know Joni? Listen to this!" They did the babble and swoon, and we all got into A Case of You and the literary reference. (I would love to get into that convo here on the list, but alas, no one seemed interested when I tossed it out. Did Joni read the classics? Are there other lines or images from Shakespeare, et. al.?) Perhaps the teaching profession is full of those sensitive, brooding types who love the depths of poetry, and therefore Joni . . . . It is definitely time for a party -- and perhaps someday a full-blown fest, hosted by the masters. Eaddy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:35:37 -0700 From: Kate Subject: choice > Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> I am going to stray from what may be the majority voice, but it was clearly >> Joni's choice. It's probably perfectly fair to say that we ALWAYS have a choice. Which is not the same as actually BELIEVING or BEING AWARE or UNDERSTANDING that we have a choice. I've had abortions. Of course I had a choice whether or not to have them. But at the time, it didn't feel like I had a choice. So I can certainly understand Joni not feeling she had a choice when it came to giving up her child for adoption. (hm ... adopt child out to where it will have a comfortable, safe, two-parent home, or keep child where it is not best looked after, has one parent, etc ... at that time, that might not have been considered much of a choice if one really cared about the child and was thinking about the child's welfare more than one's own need of the child). I wouldn't say she is lying about it. I'd say that is what feels true to her. Kate du N - -- Mystery Solved http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:34:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? This is why I don't watch the Grammys anymore. It doesn't have f*ck-all to do with real music, real artists. Real musical culture has gone way underground--and not just for old farts like me. My 24-year-old son wouldn't be caught dead watching the Grammys. ON the corporate exploitation front-- which gives this JC--I won't be near a Starbucks anytime soon, but I am curious about those CDs--hope they get their corporate a** together and put them on their web page! That's "act." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:17 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: jdhenderson@nyc.rr.com Subject: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? What's up with giving Mavis Staples only 20 seconds on the occasion of her family's Lifetime Achievement? All they had to do was give the Staple Singers a 60 second presentation about Pops Staples' contribution to the Civil Rights Movement. Ya know: "Pops helped to open the door with a non-violent message." That would have sent a quick message of diversity, dignity and non-violence to the US in general (and the gansta-rap segment of CD buyers in particular). The recording industry would have looked a bit more sophisticated and smart too, for a change! They found time to educate us about copyrights (which I absolutely support of course) but a platinum-coated, once-in-a-decade, opportunity was lost. I'd rather not hear them mention Tim McGraw every 15 minutes for 3 hours, ya know? Is he the only country artist now? How exactly do you buy those product placements? And wasn't it weird when they read (from the podium) that Led Zeppelin were recognized for their Lifetime Achievement? The surviving players were in the audience, in LA. They put them on TV for 0.6667 seconds. Then, they were gone. No acceptance speech? No song from Led-fricken-Zepplin?! I'm just saying... Lama >I thought two were phenomenal - Alicia Keyes and Jamie Fox (They should do an album together)- and that Southern Rock salute with Skynard, Allman Brothers, Keith Urban, Elvin Bishop, etc. . . . That was f*****g incredible, especially for a Louisiana boy who grew up in the 70's!! AMAZING, the whole group!!> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:38:21 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni video with Toller Cranston Jane, Good question. I'm not a fan of ice skating but I appreciate the soundtrack. :) It seems logical that a Joni Mitchell video with ice-skating would be "River" but Cranston's in the video of "Hejira". You can buy it right now, in a DVD called "Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light". I know it's available in the US, Canada, and Hong Kong. Maybe other regions too. I apologize if you've received more than one response to this question. All the best, Lama > joni mitchell once did a video of "River" with Toller > Cranston ice skating. Do any copies of this video exist, and > do you have any idea where I could buy/borrow one? Thank you. > > Jane A. Petyk > JanePetyk@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:37:10 +0000 From: colin Subject: test - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:54:28 -0500 From: eaddy sutton Subject: fresh air, little green Brad wrote; Personally, I find Joni's 'feet of clay' very humanizing. As to the issue at hand, "Little Green" does have some rather self-serving lyrics, but she speaks too of lying to her parents and yet says she's not ashamed. There was obviously some conflict there. ******** So you sign all the papers, in the family name you're sad and you're sorry, but you're not ashamed Little green, have a happy ending I've always felt that this is all I need to know about the situation -- unthruths, nonsense or no. But then the WOHAM dvd makes this the central angst in her creative life; the betrayal, the grief, but the freedom. . . . Since that dvd, the weeping and bawling along with the song is almost too much to bear. Eaddy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:51:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? NJC Oh, and while I'm thinking about the Grammys, I was floored when they were announcing the people who had died and they named Jim Capaldi! Although I guess it was just recently, I was surprised that the news outlets I usually check made no mention of it. I heard "Light Up or Leave Me Alone" today at work with Jim's vocal and it reminded me just how incredible all that Traffic stuff is. I had placed "Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys" on my Top 50 but my favorite Traffic LP has to be John Barleycorn Must Die - I mean, it starts out with Glad, then that perfect segue to Freedom Rider, then Empty Pages. And that's just half of it. Traffic was a great band, loaded with talent. And Jim Capaldi was a big part of it. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "I Love You Golden Blue" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:57:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: choice Kate wrote: >> > >It's probably perfectly fair to say that we ALWAYS have a choice. Which is >not the same as actually BELIEVING or BEING AWARE or UNDERSTANDING that we >have a choice. > > > This is so true. We can only make choices when we know what the choices are. And we probably will never know ALL the choices avaliable. One very good reason why we need to educate ourselves and think ouside the box. Our lives are the result of choice. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:59:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: re uncahined melody njc Dean wrote: >Colin wrote> > >i don't know what it is about this song but it kills me every >time I hear it. Just the opening few words and my throat tightens and >pretty soon my eyes water. I can't believe it was written when it was. >'i hunger for your touch' just floors me, sends shivers thru me. >Other songs make me cry or give me shivers but this song does it almost >instantly and I find it painful , but irresistible, to listen to.> > >Same for me, although I baulk at the Robson & Jerome version. Joni's version is fine. Listening to the lyrics of some sixties songs you really do get some affecting stuff. > what surprsies me more is that this song is a 50's song and Jimmy Young had a huge hit with it in that decade. I still prefer the Righteous Brother's version. > Another Spector song that does this to me is "You've lost that loving feeling" by the Righteous Brothers". The first few lines always floor me. "You never close your eyes anymore when I kiss your lips. And there's no tenderness like before in your fingertips." > oh gosh, yes. That's another one. > Anyone who has felt deeply about someone then lost their love will recognize these emotions. > Now to be really morbid. i have been with John 24 years and we are both getting older. Unchained Melody makes me think of him of not being around anymore. That is why that particular line gets to me. It doesn't make me think romantic things, but about how i would hunger for him were he to die before me. I did two long trips away, 10 days, last year and afeter a few days I miss him terribly. I know that the feeling will lessen as soon as I talk with him and will go altogether when i see him. I realised in my core that should he die, that missing feeling would stay and I find that too much to contemplate. I am so loved it still baffles me, why me? Love like this doesn't come to everyone and I am so blessed and the I know it and feel it, the more terifying it becomes. The selfish side-I have no one else and without him I am alone. The worse part - the thought he might suffer. I'd do anything to stop that. anything. Even knowing I cannot stop the inevitable, I still nag about what he eats and I make sure he takes his blood pressure pills. People like him are rare, I have never met another that even comes close. Oh, I know you'd expect me to say that because I love him but then you have no idea how he has loved me-I was not a person but a wrteched thing when we met and he loved me anyway and carried on loving me till I became a person and still he loves me. That takes a very special person. To this day, he has never asked for details of my past, never, and accepts he will never be told. Not because i am ashamed but becasue he doesn't need to be hurt and sullied in that way. oh dear, I guess i have said enough. just feel so lucky. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:25:08 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Aerosmith is in Buick ads, 100% NJC The revolution is over. Unfortunately, the funeral WILL be televised. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:27:14 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: OMG Janis Joplin reality show NJC Vince wrote: > I can't believe the Joplin is doing this. > > Excuse me while I email Michael Joplin and ask him what the hell are > they thinking. Why can't these people understand the concept of "one of a kind"? There has only ever been ONE Janis Joplin, and there will only ever be one. Can you imagine if they tried this with other artists? Like another Jim Morrison, or Bob Dylan, or god help us, Joni?! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:02:54 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC Clive asked: > "Sit On My Face and Tell Me That You Love Me" > > Does anyone know this song. Never heard of it > myself but i love it already. > Sounds to me like some musical version of Pinocchio, which of course reminds me of that old Rufus song that says, "Pinocchio is now a boy who wants to turn back into a toy." - --Smurf NPIMH: "Vibrate" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Me and Muller's CDs -- NJC ... yeah, right ... To the tune of Janis's version of "Me and Bobby McGee." With appreciation for my self-confessed friend, Bob Muller. ;-/ LOL & ROTFLACYKITSR & WTF!!! MWAH!!! PIHNL!!! Me and Muller's CDs In busted flats and bright red rouge, wearing a dress with stains I was feeling nearly as jaded as old queens Muller chatted poor bastards up just before it rained, Suckers drove us all the way to New Orleans He pulled covers CDs out of my turdy Dolce y Gabbana, I was braying soft while Bono sang "Ethiopia" Vindshield vipers slapping time, I was holding Muller's Covers CDs, While he played Joni songs those poor souls never even knew-theopia Freedom's just another word for I-am-much-too-loose, Nothing dont mean nothing, honey, if it aint covered, now And feeling bad was easy, Lord, when he played us "Blue," You know feeling bad was bad enough for me, But it was worse for me with Muller's CDs From the periwinkle early crap to that "California" song, Bob Muller's covers scratched the blackboard of my soul Through all kinds of "Amelia's" and everything that he'd hum, Hey Muller baby made my blood run so cold One day up near Salinas, Lord, I lost him cause I ran away, Hes looking for covers and I hope he's, uh, fine But Id trade all of my tomorrows for one single yesterday And for one more bad -theopia rhyme Freedom is just another word for this-music-slut-won't-stop, Covers, thats Muller's reason to be, yeah, And feeling bad was easy, Lord, when he played us "Blue," You know feeling bad was bad enough for me, But it was worse for me with Muller's CDs La la la, la la la la, la la la, la la la la La la la la la Muller's CDs La la la la la, la la la la la La la la la la, Muller's CDs, la La la la, la la la la la la, La la la la la la la la la, hey now Muller now, Muller' CDs, yeah! "IDT" - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:16:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: OMG Janis Joplin reality show NJC I bet MTV is pissed they didn't think of it. I wonder if the contestants will have to shoot heroin and drink southern comfort and flash their titties? Reality Show Seeks Next Janis Joplin The next stop for reality television: Finding Janis Joplin. Joplin's estate has authorized a television show that will search for a modern-day Janis. Five finalists will be flown to San Francisco to perform in front of a panel of judges. The winner will then headline a world concert tour with Joplin's original bands: Big Brother and the Holding Company, the Kozmic Blues Band and Full Tilt Boogie Band. Titled "The Search for Pearl," the Joplin reality show will begin sometime this year. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:28:16 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC Chorando6@aol.com wrote: > "Sit On My Face and Tell Me That You Love Me" > > Does anyone know this song. Never heard of it myself but i love it already. It's by Monty Python. Forget which album it was on originally, probably The Contractual Obligation Album. Rereleased on the Monty Python Sings CD. It is wonderful-a real Sousa pomp jubilee. Didn't they do it at the George Harrison Memorial Concert? I think they did. It's fairly short. RR from memory: (I know, how sad) Sit on my face, and tell me that you love me I'll sit on your face and tell you I love you, too I love it when we oralize When you're between my thighs-you blow me away! Sit on my face and let my lips embrace you (forget.......) Life can be fine, when we're both 69 If we sit on the faces that....(something.....) the places...(?) ...'til we're blown away ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:47:02 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice", short Whoa, I'm glad to have this disc. There's a LOT of Joni in this little gem. Joni made some very savvy, non-commercial choices (duh). Like she chose "Third World Man" to represent Steely Dan. This is at least as cool as that "My Top 10" show she did in the UK. I didn't recognize the track from Miles Davis but it's from the widely respected "Cookin'" set. I take that as sterling shopping advice. First David Lahm recommended it, now Joni. (!) This disc is almost an alfresco record party in Bel Air. More soon, Lama BTW, Amy, the brilliant, outside-the-box, self-assured, slightly kinky strategist is back on 'The West Wing'. I wish they'd make that character (by Mary Louise Parker) permanent. I wonder if she'd consult with me on my birthday... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fresh Air interview --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > > Ok, some women did raise their children as single > > mothers, but how many of those women came from a > rural > > area? > > But she was in Toronto by then, one of the most > liberal areas of North > America. The very reason she moved from the Prairie > Culture was to escape > it. All of her songs and interviews reflect her > desire to reject those > morals and escape the ideal of what her mother and > culture expected from > her. She paints herself as The Rebel Without a > Cause. Even in the Prairies, > Canada reflected a much more liberal way of life, > with free health care for > all, and a haven for American War resisters. > > Jerry Jerry, I'm afraid I must disagree with that statement. Toronto was called "Toronto the Good" for a long time, and for good reason. It was still predominantly run under stern Protestant rules and mores, despite waves of immigration from other cultures that would ultimately break a lot of that down, and despite the hippies and all the other revolutions going on. And I don't think you should underestimate the pull of strong family beliefs and the often irrational fears that arise from them. I believe that, more than anything else, it was the fear of upsetting and offending her parents that was the greatest factor in Joni's hiding her pregnancy from them, and ultimately giving her child up for adoption. She may have been a rebel in her own eyes and done a lot of things that went against her parents' wishes, but getting preggers out of wedlock just was going way too far. I believe that the reason "The Magdalene Laundries" is such a powerful song is that Joni poured a lot of herself into it. She really empathized with the young women who were subjected to what was imprisonment without trial, sometimes for life, for anything from being too flirtatious to being raped to having a child without being married, even if that child was a product of rape. Furthermore, when you've got a bunch of people conspiring against you, with good intentions or not, to talk you into giving up your child because it's just better that way, and not one to stand with you and give you any reason to believe that you can really do this on your own, or to offer you any support, moral, financial or otherwise, then I think you make decisions under duress and that, to me, is tantamount to the child being taken. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:37 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #72Broadway top 50 NJC Smurf replied (in response to Clive): > > "Sit On My Face and Tell Me That You Love Me" > > > > Does anyone know this song. Never heard of it > > myself but i love it already. > > > > Sounds to me like some musical version of Pinocchio, > which of course reminds me of that old Rufus song that > says, "Pinocchio is now a boy who wants to turn back > into a toy." This is a classic Monty Python song. I know it off my heart (and have sung it hundreds of times, usually under non-sober circumstances): Sit on my face and tell me that you love me I'll sit on your face and tell you I love you too I love to hear you oralise When I'm between your thighs You blow me away... Sit on my face and let me lips embrace you I'll sit on your face and then I'll love you truly Life can be fine, if we both "69" And sit on our faces In all sorts of places and play 'Til we're blown away.... Hell - also a fan of The Lumberjack Song, and the Three Yorkshiremen, ("when I were a lad....") _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:07:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fresh Air interview --- Doug wrote: > Maybe I used too strong a word. I was originally > going to say "nonsense" > but it didn't seem to express my true feelings. > So, in deference to those who might have been > offended, I'll revert to > the original... NONSENSE IT IS!! > > Doug > > Seriously, I would be embarrassed to be associated > with such a maudlin, > and obviously false statement. > Well, ya gotta look at the source, eh? Janet Freakin' Jackson? Gimme a break. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:37:37 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: State of the List now JC Welcome Home BABY!!! It's good to see you posting again. When you coming to visit and have a mini fest??? Jazz Fest is coming.. You knew I would still be here huh??? Love Paz > Thanks Sherelle,You are very kind. > > And yes, this list has gone through some major changes over the years. > My very first post wasn't exactly universally accepted to say the least > . I was on a quest (driven by a personal coach) to live out a long time > fantasy of mine, meet Joni Mitchell in the flesh. Who was to know that > fantasy would come true, not only once, but 3 times over the next few > years! And the timing was perfect also. Who would expect she would > tour again after so many years. I got to experience it with you guys, > in incredible detail, with video and audio! I have so many special > friends, recordings and experiences from this list...how could I not > come back eventually? > > I'm particularly glad to see no flame wars in progress. Although I > understand a few longtime folks have left because of them. That's a > bummer. Hopefully they'll be back too. > > For now, unfortunately, the chance of Joni putting out any new > material, much less tour again, is quite slim. That is very difficult > for me. I just can't find any other artist that moves me like she does, > try as I may. Jonatha comes in second, but not a close one. I'm open > to suggestions, but hard to please. When you have such a high standard, > well, you guys understand better than anyone..... > > Phyliss > > > Sherelle Smith wrote: > >> Wow! Phyliss????? Oh my gosh!!!! My eyes can hardly believe it!!! >> Welcome, welcome back! My mind is going back to a place where all >> things were Joni and we posted hoping against hope that she would read >> our posts be touched beyond words and decide to perform again. >> Memories of attending her concerts in the 70's and 80's were shared >> with those of us who had never (and still have never) attended one of >> her concerts. It was all we had at the time. Phyliss, it is so good to >> see you one the list!!!! >> >> Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:37:35 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? I wondered if anyone else thought this was an outrageous slight. Led Zeppelin is one of the most influential bands in the history of rock, and they were given the fleeting recognition of a one-hit wonder on the Grammys. What were they thinking? I think that anyone living in the 70's - even if they were not Zep fans - would recognize them as one of the majors. And is there any rock fan that doesn't like something by Led Zeppelin . . . Houses of the Holy . . . Stairway to Heaven . . . Dyer Maker (sp?) . . . I always wanted Zeppelin to cover The Banquet because that song craves a wailing hot treatment. Or Smashing Pumpkins. Think about it. And yet, the Grammy folk did allow us at least three full minutes to listen to JLo sing a number way out of her more-than-ever-limited reach. Go figure. And while I'm ranting, I think some young people like Kanye West need to learn the difference between a respectful salute to the ones who first traveled your road (Mavis Staples, the blind Alabama guys) and a gratuitous stab at political correctness. I think I'll be able to sleep now. ;) David >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu [mailto:jlamadoo@fuse.net] >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:17 PM >>>To: joni@smoe.org >>>Cc: jdhenderson@nyc.rr.com >>>Subject: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? >>> >>> >>>What's up with giving Mavis Staples only 20 seconds on the >>>occasion of her >>>family's Lifetime Achievement? All they had to do was give the Staple >>>Singers a 60 second presentation about Pops Staples' contribution to the >>>Civil Rights Movement. Ya know: "Pops helped to open the door with a >>>non-violent message." That would have sent a quick message of diversity, >>>dignity and non-violence to the US in general (and the >>>gansta-rap segment of >>>CD buyers in particular). The recording industry would have looked a bit >>>more sophisticated and smart too, for a change! >>> >>>They found time to educate us about copyrights (which I >>>absolutely support >>>of course) but a platinum-coated, once-in-a-decade, opportunity was lost. >>> >>>I'd rather not hear them mention Tim McGraw every 15 minutes for >>>3 hours, ya >>>know? Is he the only country artist now? How exactly do you buy those >>>product placements? >>> >>>And wasn't it weird when they read (from the podium) that Led >>>Zeppelin were >>>recognized for their Lifetime Achievement? The surviving players were in >>>the audience, in LA. They put them on TV for 0.6667 seconds. Then, they >>>were gone. No acceptance speech? No song from Led-fricken-Zepplin?! >>> >>>I'm just saying... >>>Lama >>> >>> >>>>I thought two were phenomenal - Alicia Keyes and Jamie Fox (They >>>should do an album together)- and that Southern Rock salute with Skynard, >>>Allman Brothers, Keith Urban, Elvin Bishop, etc. . . . That was f*****g >>>incredible, especially for a Louisiana boy who grew up in the 70's!! >>>AMAZING, the whole group!!> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:38:13 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Starbucks CD I went this morn to get a bagel and get a cd but they are not in yet in Harahan by my office. Paz > Just heard the Starbucks CD is available. This from me sis > in TX. > >> I got the CD - haven't had a chance to listen to it but >> Duke Ellington is on there twice, Billie Holliday, Chuck >> Berry, Steel Dan. ... Also I bought a CD that is Joni >> tracks picked by her friends. So David Crosby picked For >> Free and there are others - like Robbie Robertson and >> Donald Fagan.< > > Sounds like there are two CDs!! > > WtS > NP - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out, Joseph Arthur ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:45:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? Good fecking point! But I don't think Plant was there. I did see Jimmy and John Paul Jones. That would have been da bomb! Paz > > And wasn't it weird when they read (from the podium) that Led Zeppelin were > recognized for their Lifetime Achievement? The surviving players were in > the audience, in LA. They put them on TV for 0.6667 seconds. Then, they > were gone. No acceptance speech? No song from Led-fricken-Zepplin?! > > I'm just saying... > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:50:39 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Me and Muller's CDs -- NJC ... yeah, right ... I just peed an anaconda the full length of the parking lot. OMG that was funny! Yer gonna smoke a turd in purgatory for that one tho. BTW can I borrow your turdy Dolce y Gabbanna for Jazz Fest??? Paz(LMFAO) > To the tune of Janis's version of "Me and Bobby > McGee." > > With appreciation for my self-confessed friend, Bob > Muller. ;-/ LOL & ROTFLACYKITSR & WTF!!! MWAH!!! > PIHNL!!! > > > Me and Muller's CDs > > In busted flats and bright red rouge, wearing a dress > with stains > I was feeling nearly as jaded as old queens > Muller chatted poor bastards up just before it rained, > Suckers drove us all the way to New Orleans > > He pulled covers CDs out of my turdy Dolce y Gabbana, > I was braying soft while Bono sang "Ethiopia" > Vindshield vipers slapping time, I was holding > Muller's Covers CDs, > While he played Joni songs those poor souls never even > knew-theopia > > Freedom's just another word for I-am-much-too-loose, > Nothing dont mean nothing, honey, if it aint > covered, now > And feeling bad was easy, Lord, when he played us > "Blue," > You know feeling bad was bad enough for me, > But it was worse for me with Muller's CDs > >> From the periwinkle early crap to that "California" > song, > Bob Muller's covers scratched the blackboard of my > soul > Through all kinds of "Amelia's" and everything that > he'd hum, > Hey Muller baby made my blood run so cold > > One day up near Salinas, Lord, I lost him cause I ran > away, > Hes looking for covers and I hope he's, uh, fine > But Id trade all of my tomorrows for one single > yesterday > And for one more bad -theopia rhyme > > Freedom is just another word for > this-music-slut-won't-stop, > Covers, thats Muller's reason to be, yeah, > And feeling bad was easy, Lord, when he played us > "Blue," > You know feeling bad was bad enough for me, > But it was worse for me with Muller's CDs > > La la la, la la la la, la la la, la la la la > La la la la la Muller's CDs > La la la la la, la la la la la > La la la la la, Muller's CDs, la > La la la, la la la la la la, > La la la la la la la la la, hey now Muller now, > Muller' CDs, yeah! > > "IDT" > > --Smurf > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:54:49 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice", short The Artists Choice CDs are also available on the Starbucks website (mostly, that is, a couple of them seem to be unavailable)-- Joni's has not been added to their webpage yet, though. The page to check: http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/index.asp?category%5Fname=Artists+Choice They only ship orders to the United States and Canada, excluding Quebec, Puerto Rico and Guam. Hey! Whatta they got against Quebec? See what Sheryl Crow's artist choice contains: http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/product.asp?category%5Fname=Artists+Choice&product%5Fid=6211162546&artist=Sheryl+Crow "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Whoa, I'm glad to have this disc. There's a LOT of Joni in this little gem. > Joni made some very savvy, non-commercial choices (duh). Like she chose > "Third World Man" to represent Steely Dan. This is at least as cool as that > "My Top 10" show she did in the UK. > > I didn't recognize the track from Miles Davis but it's from the widely > respected "Cookin'" set. I take that as sterling shopping advice. First > David Lahm recommended it, now Joni. (!) > > This disc is almost > an alfresco record party > in Bel Air. > > More soon, > Lama > > BTW, Amy, the brilliant, outside-the-box, self-assured, slightly kinky > strategist is back on 'The West Wing'. I wish they'd make that character > (by Mary Louise Parker) permanent. I wonder if she'd consult with me on my > birthday... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #75 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)