From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #66 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 12 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 066 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Top 50 songs (NJC) +11 ["Marian Russell" ] Joan Armatrading; njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Top 50 [RSTM@aol.com] Re: Top 50 NJC [Bob Muller ] NJC Dylan book, just some thoughts NJC [Em ] RE: NJC Dylan book, just some thoughts NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Top 50 ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: NJC - Woo hoo! I'm booked for Jonifest! ["Sherelle Smith" ] njc - Arthur Miller ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni Speaks to JMDL Threads [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: death, njc ["Donna Binkley" ] speaking of Dylan ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: njc - Arthur Miller [Em ] Re: NJC - Woo hoo! I'm booked for Jonifest! ["Donna Binkley" ] re: NJC - Woo hoo! I'm booked for Jonifest! [Garret ] Re: njc - Arthur Miller [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc - Arthur Miller ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: njc - Arthur Miller [Bob Muller ] Re: njc - Arthur Miller ["Mark or Travis" ] CBC 50 Tracks [Doug ] RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Big Brother is coming, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) ["hell" ] WAS: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles [Smurf ] Re: [Em ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:45:35 -0500 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Top 50 songs (NJC) +11 I thought of 11 more :^D : 51. Sorento Moon - Tena Arena 52. Could I Be Your Girl - Jann Arden 53. Sand And Water - Beth Nielsen Chapman 54. Hammond Song - The Roches 55. Raincloud - Lighthouse Family 56. In The Arms Of An Angel - Sarah McLaughlin 57. Learning To Fly - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 58. One Of Us - Joan Osborne 59. Keep Your Distance (Richard Thompson) - Buddy and Julie Miller 60. Change The World (Sims, Kenney, Kirkpatrick) - Eric Clapton 61. Highwayman - Jimmy Webb Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:46:00 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joan Armatrading; njc Joan Armatrading on UK tour currently on sale for october at: http://www.ticketline.co.uk/atoz.asp?Initial=Joan Just picked up 5th row at the Royal Albert Halll Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:00:40 EST From: RSTM@aol.com Subject: Top 50 From deep lurkdom, another list. Regarding choosing a Joni song, I picked River because unlike many of her songs are indelibly her's as a performer, River can be and has been poignantly covered quite well by others. It's a classic without being sappy. But choosing a favorite Joni song is akin to a Sophie's Choice. The rest are highly personal choices, most depressing as hell, but many overlooked masterpieces IMHO. Bacharach featured prominently. 1. Joni Mitchell -- River 2. Diana Reeves -- I Remember 3. Bowie -- Changes 4. Van Morrison -- Fair Play 5. Beatles -- Shebs Leaving Home 6. Neil Young -- Cortez the Killer 7. Will Downing -- I Go Crazy 8. Carpenter -- Superstar 9. Stevie Wonder -- All I Do 10. Jamiroquai -- Alright 11. Doobie Brothers -- You Belong to Me 12. Aretha Franklin -- Until You Come Back to Me 13. John Coltrane -- My Favorite Things 14. Stones -- Wild Horses 15. Bob Marley -- Jamminb 16. Joan Armatrading -- Love and Affection 17. Al Green -- Love and Happiness 18. Bebe and Cece Winan -- Heaven 19. Wynona Judd -- Anyone With Half a Heart 20. Jimi Hendrix -- Hey Joe 21. Bob Dylan -- Tangled up in Blue 22. Leonard Cohen -- Famous Blue Raincoat 23. Loudon Wainwright -- Unrequited to the Nth Degree (Hardy Boys at the YMCA) 24. Tuck and Patti -- Little Wing/Castles Made in Sand 25. REM -- New Test Leper 26. Elvis Costello b God Give me Strength 27. Luther Vandross -- House is Not a Home 28. Dionne Warwick -- Say a Little Prayer 29. Rod Stewart -- Maggie May 30. Marvin Gaye -- Whatbs Going On 31. Los Lobos -- I Got Loaded 32. Dwight Yoakum -- Suspicious Minds 33. Miles Davis b So What 34. Sting b Angel Eyes 35. Police -- Message in a Bottle 36. Paul Simon -- I Know What I Know 37. James Taylor -- Fire and Rain 38. Elton John -- Tiny Dancer 39. Sinatra -- Just the Way You Look Tonight 40. Teddy Pendergrass -- Love TKO 41. World Party -- Is it Like Today? 42. Randy Newman -- I Think Its Going to Rain Today 43. John Prine -- Hello in There 44. Lyle Lovett -- Pontiac 45. Sarah McLachlan -- Building a Mystery 46. Beach Boys -- Good Vibrations 47. Blood, Sweat and Tears -- God Bless the Child 48. Cindy Lauper -- Time After Time 49. Talking Heads -- Psycho Killer 50. Yes -- Roundabout Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Top 50 NJC RSTM@aol.com wrote: <47. Blood, Sweat and Tears -- God Bless the Child Ooh yeah...this one is killer (not to say that the others aren't, just that this one REALLY has the "ooh, turn it up!" factor for me. Best version of the song I've ever heard, and that includes Billie. Enjoyed your inclusion of River, and you're right about the vast majority of River covers being done very well. Quite a few came out in the 2004 holiday season that I've not shared yet, so we have many Rivers to cross. Thanks for the list, Ron. Happy Friday, all - Whoo Hoo, about time. Bob NP: Lucinda, "Get Right With God" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:36:35 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: NJC Dylan book, just some thoughts NJC been reading Chronicles I just in short bursts before bedtime the last few nights. I like most every aspect of it, just getting to hear my man talk is like a juicy bone to a dog. But what I'm finding unusually interesting is the way he's describing the nature of folk music, as opposed to pop songs. And how some American pop and or country music had folk elements in it. I guess in his Woody G. years before he was writing songs himself, the guy new like half a zillion folk songs. And he finds a great elegance and honor and weight in folk songs. A kind of integrity missing in the pop of the time, say, when he first hit NY. Like Buddy Holly was already gone, but the Beatles hadn't hit yet. So it had to be folk cuz the pop was aweful white bread. I guess the reason it surprised me to read this, is that it seems I'd read in later interviews where he was kind of shrugging off the "folk singer" aspect of himself. But maybe at that point he was wanting to keep it in the background for some reason - just wasn't in the mood maybe, to discuss it. I think he really thought it through - his folk connection, and why it had to be that way, and wrote it down in the book quite well, in his odd way of speaking. Reading this book, for me is like hearing him speak (which I love) - its got that odd rythym to it. Like almost Beat-Hip but with no pretense. Great reading about how NY was at the time, too. I'm so glad he threw us this bone. And I love the tone he takes in this. Just a natural man. Not a demi-god. In one line he says his mind was "strong, like a trap" back in his early NY days. Makes me wonder if some of the other greats (like Joni) ever felt that. Felt that their own brain had that power. Must be strange to feel that way. I've never felt that way, lol. nuh.... anyway, just throwing this out there in case anyone else is reading it...and might enjoy hearing the comments of another. :) Happy Friday everyone! Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:29:55 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Dylan book, just some thoughts NJC This is a brilliant book. I was surprised by how good it was, since celebrity autobiography isn't a genre known for its high literary quality. As you say, Em, the New York parts are wonderful. Many of us Dylanphiles disagree about the Daniel Lanois recording session part, but I like the whole thing (I can hear Ashara saying, "You would you Dylan-loving wise *ss"). And I agree with you about how interesting the defense of folk music was. In any event, I will certainly be reading this again, and I hope he gives us volumes 2 and 3. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:37 AM To: jonilist Subject: NJC Dylan book, just some thoughts NJC been reading Chronicles I just in short bursts before bedtime the last few nights. I like most every aspect of it, just getting to hear my man talk is like a juicy bone to a dog. But what I'm finding unusually interesting is the way he's describing the nature of folk music, as opposed to pop songs. And how some American pop and or country music had folk elements in it. I guess in his Woody G. years before he was writing songs himself, the guy new like half a zillion folk songs. And he finds a great elegance and honor and weight in folk songs. A kind of integrity missing in the pop of the time, say, when he first hit NY. Like Buddy Holly was already gone, but the Beatles hadn't hit yet. So it had to be folk cuz the pop was aweful white bread. I guess the reason it surprised me to read this, is that it seems I'd read in later interviews where he was kind of shrugging off the "folk singer" aspect of himself. But maybe at that point he was wanting to keep it in the background for some reason - just wasn't in the mood maybe, to discuss it. I think he really thought it through - his folk connection, and why it had to be that way, and wrote it down in the book quite well, in his odd way of speaking. Reading this book, for me is like hearing him speak (which I love) - its got that odd rythym to it. Like almost Beat-Hip but with no pretense. Great reading about how NY was at the time, too. I'm so glad he threw us this bone. And I love the tone he takes in this. Just a natural man. Not a demi-god. In one line he says his mind was "strong, like a trap" back in his early NY days. Makes me wonder if some of the other greats (like Joni) ever felt that. Felt that their own brain had that power. Must be strange to feel that way. I've never felt that way, lol. nuh.... anyway, just throwing this out there in case anyone else is reading it...and might enjoy hearing the comments of another. :) Happy Friday everyone! Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:28:54 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: death, njc Dear Steve, First of all, let me say how honored I feel that you think us close enough to share your sadness. I am sure those memories are still fresh in your mind. I think you should try to pursue things because it seems like you really need some closure here. Just do what you can and see who else is willing to work with you that was also a friend of Sue's. My suggestion is to see if a private investigator can get involved to jump start things. I've never had anything like this happen to me and it is just a suggestion. In the meantime, know that we are here for you and we share your sorrow. You don't have to carry this burden alone. That's what friends are for. Love, Sherelle Steve wrote: All day today I've been thinking about my friend Sue, who was murdered 7 years ago last week. She and I had lived in the same apartment building and quickly became friends. We were like brother and sister, it was so uncanny. For 12 years it was like that. The day she died we had plans to spend the day together. I had called and left several messages on her machine, whid I'm sure the cops heard. Some were funny, some were snide, and the final one was worried. A mutual friend called a half hour after the news report aired- which I saw, but since they did not mention her name , I disregarded it. I thought my friend was joking. I finally got angry and told him it wasn't funny any longer and threatened to hang up on him, telling him not to call me anymore. His partner came on the phone and said it was true... Months later I had gone to talk to the detective on her case. He shared with me some details not known to the general public. All fine and good, but the case was cold. They could trace her steps until 2:30 that Monday morning, but did not know where she had been from then until they found her still-warm body outside a school playground at 5:30 am. No news- leads or new suspects ever surfaced. Sometimes I would like to light the fire under some of these detectivess to get back on the case. Any suggestions? The mayor just had this big comment on murder in the city and I thought about writing him a letter- for starters. Feel I should do something, but don't now what. Also, it's like her family doesn't care at all, which really pisses me off. Very sad today, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:36:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Top 50 Yes! I am so sorry I missed this one! Am I remembering correctly that Joni really liked this group and loved this song as well? I'm pretty sure she did but I forget everything she said about them. I couldn't agree with her more! From what I understand, the group broke up shortly after this song topped the charts. Sherelle Willy the Shake wrote: 45. You Get What You Give-New Radicals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:42:13 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: NJC - Woo hoo! I'm booked for Jonifest! Congratulations Donna!!! I love how you say that France will never be the same! Ha! Ha! I am still hoping that the tides will turn for me and I will be able to fly somewhere nearby and drive over to the Jonifest. Fingers crossed! Love, Sherelle Donna wrote: I'M BOOKED I'M BOOKED I'M BOOKED!!!!! Woo hoo! OK it's official folks, I've sent my deposit to Laurent and I'm going to Jonifest! France will never be the same, lookout Frenchies Aunt Donna's hopping the pond (not in the pond this time, just over it). All you London folks, let's start scheming & planning soon. Anyone want to meet up in Paris and play for a few days before we go on down to - where are we going? Oh well somebody e-mail me cuz i'm quivering with anticipation. love yall, db ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:25:32 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Re: Top 50 New Radicals Sherelle wrote re : 45. You Get What You Give-New Radicals > Am I remembering correctly that Joni really liked this group and loved > this song as well? I'm not sure Sherelle, but for me it's such a driving song (I don't mean for the road) that every time I hear it it uplifts me - never tire of it. I suppose that's what favourite songs are. A lot of the music in my 50 are one-offs - like Streisand whose other work I have never heard, save the odd one here and there. My 50 are songs that evoke bygone times, memories, people, places. Having said that, Joni's music doesn't do that for me - there's no song that makes me think of this moment or that. Actually, I lie. That isn't true. 'Conversation' always reminds me of strumming with Leslie Ross back in the day, circa late 70s. I'd like to think that Joni's musical taste and mine (the JMDLers too) overlap - how can it not? I wonder what Joni's top 50 would be. Sorry to all those who emailed me in a traumatic state re 'Dancin' Clown' for my 50. It really reads; 20 - Hejira, Joni Mitchell. Have a great weekend. WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:08:27 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: njc - Arthur Miller I just heard on the Today Show that Arthur Miller passed away. I was never a big fan of 'Death of a Salesman.' I always preferred 'The Crucible'. But it does kind of feel like the passing of an era in American theatre. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:17:33 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni Speaks to JMDL Threads Sorta. Interesting to me that she discusses "top 50ish" lists, Dylan and folk music in this article published after the McGill U. symposium. Just thought I'd post it in case some of ya'll missed it. There's a photo of her in full academic garb right here: http://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/002868.html Have a great weekend, all! - -Julius From Bernard Perusse, The Montreal Gazette: Finally, there's a good reason for Joni Mitchell's friends to shake their heads and say she's changed: she's Dr. Mitchell now. After receiving her honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, Joni Mitchell urged McGill University music students not to ignore emotion in favour of intellect. Breaking from the solemnity of McGill University's convocation ceremony, where she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, the legendary singer-songwriter adopted a Bugs Bunny voice and said, "From here on in, everybody will have to say, 'Eh, what's up, doc?' " Turning serious, Mitchell spent most of her brief speech urging the graduates of the music faculty to "think about balance in art," and not to ignore music's emotional side in favour of its intellectual content. "The music I like is a balance of opposites," she said. Earlier in the day, at a McGill symposium devoted to her art and music, Mitchell delighted fans by attending the event's closing round-table discussion at Redpath Hall. Meeting well-wishers and media before taking a seat in the front row, she addressed her reason for attending the ceremony: "It's recognition for my total work," she said. "That's why I'm here." Asked whether she likes to talk about her work, she said music is a way of conveying emotion directly. "To put it through the intellectual process does it a disservice, like translating from any language into another language. You lose something in the translation," she said. During the round-table event, performance artist John Kelly, playing a tape of himself doing an impression of the singer, looked down at Mitchell and said, "This is so surreal," drawing hearty laughter from the honouree. She was also visibly delighted by Village Voice critic Greg Tate's reading of his humorous piece "How Black Is Joni Mitchell?" At times, the singer offered comments from her seat, at one point reminiscing about the genesis of Mingus, her 1979 collaboration with jazz giant Charles Mingus, who died before the album was completed. "The first thing he said was, 'You that skinny-ass folk singer,' " Mitchell said. He then informed her that the strings on Paprika Plains were out of tune, she said, and a friendship was born. While talking about a Starbucks compilation she recently put together, Mitchell threw in an impression of Bob Dylan singing Positively 4th Street - a track that didn't make her cut. She also talked about her early days as a folksinger. "The music that I lo ved was very far away from what I was making," she said. "I had a black sense of feel. When I finally did get a band to play my music, it was a jazz band. Then I went into a minority camp, and eventually I lost my airplay. After working with Mingus, I never got played on the radio, but that was a necessary part of my education." If there was a recurring theme at the symposium, it was the impossibility of pigeonholing Mitchell's catalogue, which includes folk, rock, jazz, big-band, worldbeat and orchestral music. There were plenty of minutiae: one 45-minute panel discussion focused exclusively on the 1971 song The Last Time I Saw Richard, with speaker Daniel Sonenberg noting that he had no time to address the song's piano intro. But the academic approach worked for David Ryshpan, a third-year jazz piano performance student at McGill, who said he knew the hits through his parents, but truly discovered Mitchell when he embraced jazz. Ryshpan wrote a big-band arrangement of Mitchell's A Case of You, which was played at last night's ceremonies by the McGill Music Faculty Jazz Orchestra 1, among other tributes arranged by McGill students, with Mitchell listening. "To have my complete deconstruction of a Joni Mitchell tune played for Joni Mitchell is a tremendous honour," Ryshpan said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:13:55 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: death, njc Steve, I also want to express my sympathy for your loss. It is obvious that you are still in a lot of pain, may you find some relief somewhere. I wish I had some answers, but think that Julius has a good suggestion. love donna >>> 2/10/2005 5:50:06 PM >>> Steve, My condolences on the loss of your friend. Such a tragedy. My heart goes out to you. Three letters come to mind: DNA. Did they recover any from the crime scene that may have come from the perpetrator? According to what I've heard and read, they're constantly updating the database of DNA from convicted criminals who have violent histories. If they had DNA from back then that they haven't reanalyzed, it is possible that they could come up with a match today. Just a thought. Wishing you peace, Julius In a message dated 2/10/05 9:22:22 AM, PolifkaS@matc.edu writes: > Any suggestions? The mayor just had this big comment on murder in the > city and I thought about writing him a letter- for starters. Feel I > should do something, but don't now what. > Also, it's like her family doesn't care at all, which really pisses me > off. > > Very sad today, > Steve This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:05:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: speaking of Dylan Yeah, I saw Dylan too on that tour with Joni. . . I am not much of a Dlyan fan, though I am open minded . .I just never gravitated to him. But it's like this: first I see/ hear/ feel Joni. . . (she opens the show) and if you have ever seen someone you love so much. . . . well let's just say that after her performance was over and Dylan came on I had to go out into the lobby and collect myself. . I mean I just didn't want to fill my self up with Dylan when I was somewhat in tears with Joni. Marianne ~~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:08:25 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: NJC Speaking of Dylan So, Jerry my dear......I *really* did see Dylan, live and in person, with the wonderful Maggie McNally, when he was touring with Joni. (Why she let him tour with her, I'll never know!) Anyway.....suffice it to say I was in agony, *begging* Maggie (on my bended knees, no less) to not make me stay through such torture. But......Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. She made sit through every note, every squeak, every........well, you get the gist. With apologies (sort of) to all the Dylan lovers, Ashara _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: njc - Arthur Miller Its like that song "the 20th Century Is Almost Over". and of course it has been over for a couple years now...but yet it gets ever more "over" every time one these landmark people passes away. Em - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > I just heard on the Today Show that Arthur Miller passed away. I was > never a big fan of 'Death of a > Salesman.' I always preferred 'The Crucible'. But it does kind of > feel like the passing of an era > in American theatre. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:11:58 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC - Woo hoo! I'm booked for Jonifest! Thanks Sherelle, As Mia mentioned in her mail earlier, this will indeed be a chance of a lifetime for me. The fact that so many beloved friends will be on the other side to join me is the most wonderful thing. If I can just get this Paypal thing worked out, it's new to me and I'm having a bit of trouble. But if I have to send the $135 deposit to Laurent by homing pidgeon then by gum I will but it's going to happen! ha ha, love db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 2/11/2005 8:42:13 AM >>> Congratulations Donna!!! I love how you say that France will never be the same! Ha! Ha! I am still hoping that the tides will turn for me and I will be able to fly somewhere nearby and drive over to the Jonifest. Fingers crossed! Love, Sherelle Donna wrote: I'M BOOKED I'M BOOKED I'M BOOKED!!!!! Woo hoo! OK it's official folks, I've sent my deposit to Laurent and I'm going to Jonifest! France will never be the same, lookout Frenchies Aunt Donna's hopping the pond (not in the pond this time, just over it). All you London folks, let's start scheming & planning soon. Anyone want to meet up in Paris and play for a few days before we go on down to - where are we going? Oh well somebody e-mail me cuz i'm quivering with anticipation. love yall, db This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:54:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: some of our favorite songwriters on TV this weekend njc Tonight: Ani DiFranco is on the Tonight Show (NBC) Steve Earle is on the Late Late Show (CBS) Tomorrow: Patty Griffin on Austin City Limits (PBS) Jenny Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:16:11 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Cher Bittersweet NJC From: "David Henderson" >Garret said, "NP - Cher, You've Got A Friend/Where You Lead." No offense, >but I think this is definitely where we're getting into the "dodgy" >territory. ;)) > This is definitely what i meant by dodgy. I do love Where You Lead, mind you. Reminds me of the days i worked in Starbucks and they played the same cd over and over and over and.... >NP The wonderful Jamie Cullum (not really, I'm watching the news, just >wanted to irritate Garret. ;)))) Yes. The *wonderful* Jamie Cullum. I thought the N there stood for NOT;-) GARRET NP - The Thrills, One Horse Town - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:24:21 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: NJC - Woo hoo! I'm booked for Jonifest! Me too Donna and i can't wait to meet everyone!! GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc - Arthur Miller --- Mark or Travis wrote: > I just heard on the Today Show that Arthur Miller > passed away. I was never a big fan of 'Death of a > Salesman.' I always preferred 'The Crucible'. But > it does kind of feel like the passing of an era > in American theatre. > > Mark E. in Seattle > I just saw that on the yahoo news page before I signed in to this e-mail thingy. I hate to say it, but I didn't realize Miller was still alive (well, not any more, I guess.) What a nasty thing to say. I'm going to hell for sure. He must have been damn OLD, is all I can say! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:00:26 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: njc - Arthur Miller Catherine McKay wrote: > I just saw that on the yahoo news page before I signed > in to this e-mail thingy. I hate to say it, but I > didn't realize Miller was still alive (well, not any > more, I guess.) What a nasty thing to say. I'm going > to hell for sure. He must have been damn OLD, is all I > can say! > I think the news showed that he was born in 1915. So he was at least 89. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc - Arthur Miller Mark or Travis wrote: Thanks to the JMDL I was able to get to NYC to see Liam Neeson & Laura Linney in The Crucible, and then got to meet Laura backstage. I'm sure she's still talking about it, I certainly am! Arthur's plays (at least the ones I've seen which are the 2 Mark mentioned plus 'All My Sons' are very heavy and rise and fall with the strength of the cast. I've seen wonderful & dismal productions of them) Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Absolutely Bill's Mood" (with the great line "Life is just a mood ring we're not allowed to see") Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:32:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: njc - Arthur Miller Bob Muller wrote: > Arthur's plays (at least the ones I've seen which are the 2 Mark > mentioned plus 'All My Sons' are very heavy and rise and fall with > the strength of the cast. I've seen wonderful & dismal productions of > them) > > Bob There's something about 'Death of a Salesman' that tries my patience. I've never seen an actor in the role of Willy Lohman that has made it work for me. I saw part of the Dustin Hoffman performance on tv and I though he was very affected in the part. I'm not sure that was Dustin's fault. I have always gotten the feeling that Miller was trying too hard to portray the 'common man'. Some of the dialogue in the play just doesn't ring true for me. I saw a production of 'The Crucible' here in Seattle a few years ago that was excellent. I also liked the film that came out a few years ago even though I can't stand Winona Ryder. Daniel Day Lewis and Joan Allen were both excellent. The scene between the two of them after they have both been accused of witchcraft and Joan is supposed to persuade Daniel to admit his guilt is very powerful. Two people confronting what was wrong with their marriage but realizing how much they love one another and trying to come to terms each with their own conscience. Somebody on NPR named Miller the greatest American playwright. Personally I would give that honor to Eugene O'Neill. But nobody's asking me and O'Neill didn't just die. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:25:22 -0500 From: Doug Subject: CBC 50 Tracks Joni's on the list again with Big Yellow Taxi. http://www.cbc.ca/50tracks/thelist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:41:53 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) Great catch, Brad. I think that trumps my previous best of catching the "masking tape" tangles in "Electricity". Electricians don't use the stuff. Admittedly a small point, Jim From: McMillan Brad [mailto:bradmcmillan@earthlink.net] >Has anybody else been bothered by this line from "This Flight Tonight: "Up go the flaps, down go the wheels..." ? It's a small thing, but when an aircraft is descending, the flaps are extended. So if the wheels are going down, the flaps would be going out too. The only thing I can think of is that, looking out the window, Joni saw the air brakes go up on the top of the wing. The flaps are much larger and on the trailing edge of the wing and extended on approach.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:49:11 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] Thank you for being YOU joni friends I am so glad to be among sweet people. . . . stardust golden Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:51 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Big Brother is coming, njc Scary shit: Turn your speakers on http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:48:15 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) Jim wrote: > Great catch, Brad. I think that trumps my previous best of catching the > "masking tape" tangles in "Electricity". Electricians don't use > the stuff. Yeah, but two syllables works better than four in that lyric, which it would have been had she said electrical tape - I think that's called "artistic license" ;o)! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:19:55 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: WAS: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles Hell wrote: > Yeah, but two syllables works better than four in > that lyric, which it would > have been had she said electrical tape - I think > that's called "artistic > license" ;o)! Not to mention the honkin' poetic licence Joni's packing. Sure it's electrical tape, but it's *masking* -- perhaps badly -- the currents it's being used to hide. And this kind of masking tape is difficult to work with: it's not like regular masking tape -- it tangles, it's sticky and black. In any case, what poet would write that the electrical tape tangles and it's sticky and black? Sort of stating the obvious, huh? Joni's choice of words makes sense to me. Now ice cream castles, there's one I just never have gotten. Wouldn't they melt? And how could they just stay up there "in the air." - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:36:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Top 50 NJC Bob Muller wrote: > RSTM@aol.com wrote: > <47. Blood, Sweat and Tears -- God Bless the Child > > Ooh yeah...this one is killer (not to say that the others aren't, > just that this one REALLY has the "ooh, turn it up!" factor for me. > Best version of the song I've ever heard, and that includes Billie. I've never heart BST's version of this song and I was going to let this go by. Then I got to wondering, Bob. Have you heard all of Billie's versions of 'God Bless the Child'? She released at least 3 different studio versions that I am aware of. She also wrote the words. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Hi Marianne, where you been? have missed ya round these here parts.. Em - -- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Thank you for being YOU joni friends > > I am so glad to be among sweet people. . . . > > > > > stardust > golden > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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