From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 9 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 061 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Top 50 -- How do you do it? -- njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: Top 50 songs (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Fat Tuesday, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Shall I jump off the "H" or slide off the "O"? njc [Justalittlebreen@aol.] goat dance dude is Carey! (?) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni mention [Vince Lavieri ] Re: at least 50 Hejiras ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Top 50 -- How do you do it? -- njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:35:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Top 50 -- How do you do it? -- njc I am not going to attempt to do this either because my list of artists with at least one amazing song I wish I'd written (which would be my criteria for 50 best songs) is 100 & counting (then trying to chose their very best- impossible!) One group with multiple stellar songs, that I have not seen mentioned yet is Toad the Wet Sprocket. PS Colin- I would have included a song by Deep Forest also! And thanks for the Irene mention Mr. Julius! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Joni on Today Jerry wrote: On a story on men cheating on the Today Show they played Both Sides Now, which proves they have no idea what the song is about. BUT the interesting thing is they played the new version with Joni singing. np: Clinton - I did not have sexual relations with that woman! thing is, Jerry, it makes perfect sense to me. Have you seen Love, Actually? They use the "new" Both Sides Now, with the same treatment in mind. (hmm perhaps that's why it makes sense to me). One of the most poignant scenes in the film, when it is comfirmed that Alan Rickman, husband is having an affair with his admin person. Emma Thompson, his wife has just found out..via receiving a Both Sides Now CD for Christmas, rather than the lovely little gold jewelled heart that she found in his coat pocket in a similar shaped box. She excuses herself and goes to her bedroom and puts the CD on, and for those moments, when she bends over and tries to smooth out the blankets on their marital bed...oh , it's heart wrenching. ouch. imho, just goes to show that songs like Both Sides Now can have a myriad of meanings. The heartache within a marriage, being one. Mags just finished watching a German film, Princess and the Warrior...anyone else seen this one? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:45:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Top 50 songs (NJC) Nice to see so many Toni Childs songs mentioned! I love her songs. anyone heard anything about her lately? A song by one of our own that needs to be included is Greg Cagno's The View from Here. I will never forget the magic of my first night of my first jonifest, when he showed up & played that song in our impromptu song circle. oh boy what an experience! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:54:15 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Fat Tuesday, njc We've had New Orleans music at intervals all day on our local singer-songwriter station, WNKU. Dr. John, Clifton Chenier, Ray Charles, The Nevilles, Paul Simon's "Take Me To The Mardis Gras", Little Feat doing a shuffle, etc, etc. No funeral bands though. No Jazz except for the shuffle by Ray Charles which doesn't qualify, of course. I guess lots of "us" don't have a cool station like this so I'm happy to represent. Lama PS, some weird budget, huh? He cut federal subsidies for rice and sugar growers, some of whom are Texas conglomerates. Do I have that right? I guess he knows they are powerful enough to put them right back in, so he can posture ("being tough on gov't handouts") without actually hurting those back home? Do I have that right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:55:07 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) In a message dated 2/6/05 7:03:23 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: > The mention of Dionne Warwick's Theme from The Valley of the Dolls brings > back a really precious memory to me. My parents bought me my very first > cassette player when I was in the fourth grade, and it came with a free copy > of Warwick's soundtrack to The Love Machine. This was my very first "adult" > recording. It only had two songs, I think, the theme - He's Moving On - and > Amanda. I haven't thought of that in years . . . I've never even seen the > movie of The Love Machine. > > What was the Valley of the Dolls theme? > David, Rhino is gradually digging out all of Dionne's Scepter recordings and releasing them (usually) as two LPs to each CD. They're working on putting all of her "On Stage and In the Movies" LP plus the other movie/stage stuff scattered around on other albums, including "Amanda", which I *loved* -- it was Dionne's last Scepter release (unless you could a couble LP of leftover stuff that they put out called "From Within", just before they went under in the mid-70's). They're also planning a collecdtion of all of her live recordings, some of which were already released on various albums, and some of them never heard before. Wonderful! Esp. for a Bacharach nut like me. It's harder to get some of her post-Scepter stuff, but you can get most of her stuff either import from Japan, or (the more popular ones) re-released in this country under whatever Warner's is now. The two exceptions, at least as of yet, are Dionne's first two Warner Albums, the first one called just Dionne (not to be confused with another album released in '79 by the same name), which had that "I Just Have To Breathe" song that i croaked out at the '02 Fest, and contains the best recording of "One Less Bell" *ever*. (okay, imho). The next album, also very interesting and so far unavailable, was called "Just Being Myself", and it was mostly written by Holland/Dozier/Holland. I still keep my eyes peeled. Anyway, when Rhino puts out the "Movies/Stage" themed cd, and the live one, I'll let anyone interested on this list know. As for "Theme from the Valley of the Dolls", it has a dreamy quality of being confused over identity, and possibly (this being a Jackie Suzanne movie) boozed up and or drunk -- but it's a sweet song, wistful, longing for resolution. I like both k.d. and DW's versions. Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:59:03 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Shall I jump off the "H" or slide off the "O"? njc David said: Wow, I suddenly remember that I had an LP by Dory Previn in the mid or early 70s I think . . . a sketch of her on the front, maybe, but now the image is blurring with the image of Phoebe Snow's first album. Dory's album was dark and bitter as I remember, but I liked it. That's all I can recall. Does anyone remember this LP by Dory Previn? Were there more? Me: Dory put out several albums, the best (and best-selling) had a minor hit about someone jumping off the Hollywood sign -- does anyone remember more? Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:02:00 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) Joni's told the story about Carey many times in interviews. She was at a cafe on a Greek island. There was an explosion in the kitchen and the cook, coated in soot, was knocked outside. Joni said he was wearing a white turban. For his birthday, she gave him some bubblegum that had trading cards of fairy tale characters on it. And yes, he did keep her camera, to sell. Lama PS, the town in Greece is Matala which appears in "Carey": "... They're playin' that scratchy rock n' roll beneath a Matala moon Carey get out your cane." >From: Em So, who is Carey in real life? Do we know?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:18:14 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Shall I jump off the "H" or slide off the "O"? njc Wonderful Walt Wonders: > Dory put out several albums, the best (and > best-selling) had a minor hit > about someone jumping off the Hollywood sign -- does > anyone remember more? > Gee, lemme see ... oh yeah, I remember! Mary C. Brown and the Hollywood Sign from ON MY WAY TO WHERE by Dory Previn you know the hollywood sign that stands in the hollywood hills i don't think the christ of the andes ever blessed so many ills the hollywood sign seems to smile like it's constantly saying cheese i doubt if the statue of liberty ever welcomed more refugees give me your poor your tired your pimps you carhops your cowboys your midgets your chimps give me your freaks give me your flunkies your starlets your whores give me your junkies mary cecilia brown rode to town on a malibu bus she climbed to the top of the hollywood sign and with the smallest possible fuss she jumped off the letter "h" 'cause she did not become a star she died in less than a minute and a half she looked a bit like hedy lamarr sometimes i have this dream when the time comes for me to go i will hang myself from the hollywood sign from the second or third letter "o" when mary cecilia jumped she finally made the grade her name was in the obituary column of both the daily trades i hope the hollywood sign cries for the town it touches the lady of lourdes in her grotto saw fewer cripples and crutches give me your poor your maladjusted your sick and your beat your sad and your busted give me your has-beens give me your twisted your loners your losers give me your black-listed you know the hollywood sign witness to our confusion a symbol of dreams turns out to be a sign of disillusion __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Joni makes it onto the editorial page (with an assist from St. Valentine) http://www.uaf.edu/sunstar/Current/20050208/editorial.htm Editorial: I really don't know love at all Robinson Duffy I thought I hated Valentine's Day. The crass commercialism still makes me retch, and I simply do not understand why stores feel compelled to put up their Valentine's displays in December, but the actual day itself, I've discovered, isn't on "the list." Did Hallmark get to me? Are they now, at this very moment, holding a pink, beflowered gun to my head? No, the patent holder of pre-packaged love had nothing to do with my change of heart; it is all Joni Mitchell's fault. Relatively early in her career, Mitchell proclaimed to the world that she didn't really understand love all that much. "It's love's illusions that I recall," she admitted, "I really don't know love at all." Mitchell was accosted for having the audacity at such an early age to claim that she had "looked at love from both sides." The criticism was silly, petty. Love is one of the most fundamental and yet complex emotions humans have to deal with. The sooner we find the courage to admit that we really don't understand love, the better. Complacency is the killer of relationships, especially those involving some form of love. We cannot slip into the rut of assuming we know everything there is to know about the love in our life. Constant evaluation of our relationships is crucial to the health of those relationships. We have to be willing, even at an early age as Mitchell did, to look at love from both sides. We need to understand the people we love, why we love them, and make sure that we don't lose the love. And love does not get any easier the older you get. In 2000 Mitchell recorded her song a second time. Now in her 50's, Mitchell reexplored the words of her childhood. The song had a deeper poignancy, perhaps, sung by a woman wearied by the years, but again the theme was the same: even now she doesn't understand love. As we get older and change, our relationships change. And, again, they require constant evaluation. Love is made up of many facets: sexual passion, deep respect, admiration, trust, affection, devotion, tenderness. Without all these attributes no love is complete. But how much power any one of these holds in a particular relationship can change. If the relationship is truly worth it, we need to be willing to roll with those punches?admit, understand, and adapt to those changes. That's where Valentine's Day comes in. Any day that makes us stop and think about love is a glorious thing. In a perfect world we wouldn't need Valentine's Day to remind us to evaluate our relationships, but this simply isn't a perfect world. We so often get caught up with the frantic mad-dash of life that we need days put aside to perform preventative maintenance on our many relationships. So this Valentine's Day, fine, ignore the commercialism if you wish, boycott the candy stores and burn a Hallmark card or two. But take a moment?a long moment?to dissect your relationships with your girlfriend, your mother, your best friend, your husband, your wife, anyone you love. Make sure the love is still strong, that you understand what it means to love and be loved. If we don't, all we'll have are love's illusions; we really won't know love at all. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:48:10 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: More Top 50 Wow, this looks like a ladies list. Anyway, for the record (heh-heh) this is it.... 1. A Case of You (BSN version), Joni Mitchell 2. African Reggae, Nina Hagen 3. All My Tomorrows, Shirley Horn 4. Butterfly, Sarah Jane Morris 5. Crathadh t Aodaich, Mouth Music 6. Cryin', Roy Orbison 7. Do You Wanna Dance, Bette Midler 8. Dream A Little Dream of Me, Mamma Cass Eliott 9. Fast Car, Tracy Chapman 10. Flamingo, Carmen Mcrae 11. Got To Be Real, Cheryl Lynn 12. Gotham Lullaby, Meredyth Monk 13. Harper Valley PTA, Jeannie C. Reilly 14. Help Me Lift You Up, Mary Margaret OHara 15. Is That All There Is?, Peggy Lee 16. Ill Be Seeing You, Sarah Vaughn 17. Ill Get By, The Inkspots 18. Imagine, John Lennon 19. Island, Art Of Noise 20. Je Ne Regrette Rien, Edith Piaf 21. Leavin on Your Mind, Patsy Cline 22. Love & Affection, Joan Armatrading 23. Lush Life, Johnny Hartman 24. Maybe, Barbra Streisand 25. Midnight at the Oasis, Maria Muldaur 26. Midnight Train to Georgia, Gladys Night & the Pips 27. Moon River, Cassandra Wilson 28. Moondance, Van Morrison 29. My Funny Valentine, Chet Baker 30. My Idaho Home, Ronee Blakely 31. My Town, Kate & Anna McGarrigle 32. Piece of My Heart, Janis Joplin, 33. Roam, B52s 34. Sanvean, Lisa Gerrard 35. See the Child, Jane Siberry 36. Sensual World, Kate Bush 37. Since I Fell, Etta James 38. Skylark, Linda Rondstat 39. Something to Live For, Ella Fitzgerald 40. Somewhere, Aretha Franklin 41. Sunny Side of the Street, Billie Holiday 42. Take this Waltz, Leonard Cohen 43. The Man I Love, Dinah Washington 44. The Man That Got Away, Judy Garland 45. Three, Massive Attack 46. Uma Historia de Ifa, Virginia Rodriguez 47. Walk On the Wild Side, Lou Reed 48. Why?, Annie Lennox 49. Year of the Dragon, Martha Wainwright 50. You Are So Beautiful, Joe Cocker Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:01:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni mention January 10, 2005 New Yorker Article by Ian Frazier, begins on page 40. On page 43: "Between Georgia and Miami, I listened through the night to a Vietnam veteran with hair longer than Joni Mitchell's talk about..." Not sure why Joni is the standard for long hair, but it is a Joni mention at any rate so here you go. Vince Muskegon: my once and new home: Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:07:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: at least 50 Hejiras eaddy sutton wrote: > Hejira -- of all the Joni songs she ever recorded, this one makes it > on so many top 50 lists? Y'all are just putting it on just to spite > the new member . . . . I tried to warn you. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:25:32 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Top 50 -- How do you do it? -- njc Kate Bennett wrote: > I am not going to attempt to do this either because my list of > artists with at least one amazing song I wish I'd written (which > would be my criteria for 50 best songs) is 100 & counting (then > trying to chose their very best- impossible!) I just listed the 50 songs that came into my head that, for whatever reason, stuck in my head and have given me enjoyment over the years. Some of my choices I wouldn't consider to be the artist's best work and I didn't list what I thought were the 50 *greatest* songs. Some of them I don't even own on record or cd and don't own anything else by that particular artist. I listed what have been my favorites back to the beginning of my memory of hearing music on the radio. Songs that made me laugh, songs that made me cry, songs with melodies or words or hooks that made them stick in my memory. I suppose if I really wanted to go back to the very beginning I would have to include 'Hail to the Princess Aurora' from Disney's 'Sleeping Beauty' and 'Onward Christian Soldiers' which was my favorite hymn when I was a very little kid. 'You're So Vain' is one of my all-time favorite songs but I would hardly say it was the best song Carly Simon ever wrote. Maybe I misunderstood the purpose of the list. Princess Aurora E. Once Upon a Time in a Kingdom Far, Far Away (where there were 3 Good Fairies and One Bad-Ass Evil fairy who made her prick something on something and....) oh. never mind. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:29:24 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Fat Tuesday, njc Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > PS, some weird budget, huh? He cut federal subsidies for rice and > sugar growers, some of whom are Texas conglomerates. Do I have that > right? I guess he knows they are powerful enough to put them right > back in, so he can posture ("being tough on gov't handouts") without > actually hurting those back home? Do I have that right? Yeah and he's also trying to jack up the price of electricity in the northwest by forcing the Bonneville Power Administration to sell at market rates instead of cost. Lots of congresspeople up in arms about that in my neck of the woods. Mark E. in the land of supposedly cheap hydro-electric power ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:35:28 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, when Rhino puts out the "Movies/Stage" themed cd, and the > live one, I'll let anyone interested on this list know. > 'Dionne Warwick's Greatest Motion Picture Hits' was probably one of the first lps I ever purchased with allowance money. 'Alfie', 'Wives and Lovers' (the 'hey little girl, comb your hair, fix your makeup' song), 'The Look of Love', 'Valley of the Dolls' - lots of Bacharch/David and some others. I loved that record. I would be very interested in knowing when this Rhino release comes out, Walt. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:36:27 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) Geez. I never fancied myself a Dionne Warwick fan, but I must confess, I do adore her "One Less..." and I fall to pieces upon hearing the first mournful notes of that damned old "Valley of the Dolls" theme. Sniff. Please, somebody, a martini and whatever barbiturates you might have on you...that might dull the pain. Oh, the ennui! Life is a bitch...and then you die, in Technicolor (TM)! Dionne Warwick...she's still smokin' after all these years. :-) - -Julius In a message dated 2/8/05 8:03:22 PM, Justalittlebreen@aol.com writes: > As for "Theme from the Valley of the Dolls", it has a dreamy quality of > being > confused over identity, and possibly (this being a Jackie Suzanne movie) > boozed up and or drunk -- but it's a sweet song, wistful, longing for > resolution. > I like both k.d. and DW's versions. > > Best, > > Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:45:58 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Obscure Dinne songs... (njc) JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Geez. I never fancied myself a Dionne Warwick fan, but I must > confess, I do adore her "One Less..." and I fall to pieces upon > hearing the first mournful notes of that damned old "Valley of the > Dolls" theme. Sniff. Please, somebody, a martini and whatever > barbiturates you might have on you...that might dull the pain. Oh, > the ennui! Life is a bitch...and then you die, in Technicolor (TM)! > and Patty Duke drops to her knees and screams: NEELY O'HARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry. I couldn't resist. Mark E. in the Valley of the Doldroms ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #61 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)