From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 055 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A step back in time... [Deb Messling ] Re: (NJC) Is There an Archive in the House? [Deb Messling ] Re: The blight, the dance and all that [Bob Muller ] Re: Spock singing about Bilbo -- njc [Catherine McKay ] (NJC) Fraudulent emails from "eBay" ["Kate Bennett" ] The blight, the dance and all that ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: A step back in time... ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: A step back in time... ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: (NJC) Is There an Archive in the House? and now the MGVal post I've been looking for forever [Catherine McKa] Subject: Coyote's diary (a bit of Joni content in this extract), njc ["La] Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} ["Richard Flyn] Re: A step back in time... ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: NJC My Top 50, now RLJ's Traces of the Western Slopes [Bob Muller ] RE: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} [Emiliano ] RE: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} -- sorry ... NJC to be safe ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: A step back in time... Thanks for transcribing this! Interesting that way back then, Joni was leery of the term "folksinger" and claiming something bigger for herself. I thought that view was something she picked up much later. At 08:51 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: >"I'm not a folksinger," she says "I'm afraid of the word." >When she talks her hands move quickly, moulding, shaping and weaving some >invisible >material. >"I've tried to interpret all the songs and their presentation and state >them with one guitar >and one voice. I'm a female tributary to that brand of music." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:12:07 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: (NJC) Is There an Archive in the House? It's not foolproof, but I use Google. For example, if I want to find my own posts, I might do a search like this: joni messling site:smoe.org I retrieved 617 results - that's scary! At 11:40 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: > > Is there a searchable archive on the site or available to listmembers? > >How far back do you want to go, Mitch? There's this: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/joni@jmdl.com/ > >but I think it goes back only as far as early April, 2003. > >You can also visit http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni and open each of the >digests and do a text search, but it's very tedious, especially if you >don't know the timeframe when something was posted. > >Anyone (Les?) know of any other method? > >Lori - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:47:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Fraudulent emails from "eBay" **and Paypal as well** I've had similar ones that look like they're coming from Paypal (owned by E-Bay I believe), saying my account would be "suspended" unless I verified credit card info within 5 days. Strangely enough, I got a few of these over a 3-week timespan (more than 5 days after they were *going to* suspend my account). They were very real-looking though (although whoever wrote them use the wrong form of the word "its", which irritated the grammar/spelling nazi in me; and the link appeared to lead to a real paypal website, but I didn't bother to follow the link to see where it really went. Unfortunately I deleted all of these because I had no idea who to contact, but I'm sure I rec'd at least four of them. I do remember the e-mails include a line about it not being spam. HA! --- Lori Fye wrote: > I'm sure you all know not to ever provide your > credit card info in > response to an email from eBay. eBay would never > ask you for it, or > to reconfirm it, via email. > > Just in case, though, I thought I would mention that > there are some > bogus requests coming from someone posing as > "aw-confirm@ebay.com" or > similar. I got one the other day (which I ignored), > and then another > today telling me my eBay account was about to be > suspended because of > suspicious attempts to log on -- afterall, they're > looking out for the > safety of my account! > > Yeah, right. > > If you click on the link to confirm, this is where > it leads: > http://www.mano.puslapiai.com/wap/Fonai/96x65/aw-cgi/login.htm?eBayISAPI.dll&VerifyRegistrationShow > > The page you'll see looks very much like an eBay > page, but it's not. > > If you should get one of these things, report it to > spoof@ebay.com > (which is a real eBay address). They will > appreciate knowing about > it. > > Lori > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:20:57 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: A step back in time... From the article Doug sent: And this singer who likes "to do things for myself in my own way" even created the cover for her own album. "I would like to learn the sitar," she smiles... Hi Doug! Thanks for this article. I hadn't read it before. It really painted a good picture of Joni. I like the first quote above because it speaks of uninhibited self expression. That is what I like so much about Joni... she's herself to the world without being held back by the "what will people think?" notion. The sitar... cool, cool instrument. I would like to learn it to! My cousin married a lady whose family is from India so they had awesome sitar music at their wedding when she walked in. Anybody out there play sitar? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A step back in time... Doug wrote: <"Lots of people in the business are financialy comfortable but artisically unfulfilled, like The Monkees."> Hey Doug - thanks a googleplex for spending the hours it took to do this. As I'm utterly fascinated with her early period I drank this article up like Momma's milk. Awesome, and this writer really saw who Joni was, and it also amazed me how the things she said then were so consistent with things she said later. And since they were one of my fave 60's Pop bands, I love that she mentions the Monkees - even if it's not in the most flattering light. Coincidentally, the article I posted a couple days ago lumps LOTC in with a Nesmith LP, and of course we also know that Stephen Stills would have been a Monkee in place of Peter Tork except his teeth were too crooked. I'm glad things worked out the way they did. The only thing better than this article would be a recording of the show to listen to as I read it, so please send one to my mailbox, willya? ;~) Bob NP: Dinah Washington, "Don't Go To Strangers" (vocal upfront, orchestra in the back, as it should be) Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The blight, the dance and all that Eaddy, the first time I heard Hejira was right when it came out - a gift from a girl I had a MAJOR crush on (and still do) and at the time I was an 18-year-old Aerosmith-Led Zeppelin-Allman Bros. kind of guy, but at the same time I was taught by my Dad to appreciate a good lyric. When I heard Hejira, I loved the SOUND of it right off, the gallop of Coyote, the jazz lounge mood of Blue Motel Room, the wondrous story within Song For Sharon, and that WEIRD sound on so many of the songs (had no idea it was a bass, I'd not heard anything like that before). Anyway, when I heard the title track, I didn't understand the song much, I just knew it was IMPORTANT (just as you do, it sounds like). The line that you referenced however, was one that jumped out at me because I DID understand it, and I thought it was such a non-cliche-ous way to say "from birth to death"...between the foreceps and the stone...wow. I've spent 30 years since digging it and letting it reveal its magical secrets to me. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Rock & Roll Ghost" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Spock singing about Bilbo -- njc --- Smurf wrote: > This is so totally beyond weird I thought you would > all like it. It's Leonard Nimoy singing in an early > music video (circa late '60s) about Bilbo Baggins. > > http://www.tolkiencollector.com/bilbo5.mov > > Beam me up, indeed. > > --Smurf > OMG. Where do you suppose that came from? Yeesh! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:52:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC My Top 50 Back a couple of months ago, Evian challenged me to come up with my Top 50 songs (this was after my comments to RS' Top 500 songs). This was a very difficult exercise and as always very frustrating. I hope Evian appreciates the amount of Guantanamo-like torture this has been. I took lots of time poring through my musical memories and what songs/recordings really had that "oooh" factor for me. Also note that the 'recording' is the key rather than the 'song'...while I include Otis' "Dock Of The Bay" I wouldn't consider Michael Bolton's version, for example. My rules: - -only (1) song per artist (a torturous rule in itself, since it disqualifies "Down To You") - -only 50 songs (although I'm dying to add about 10 more) - -no "ties" to sneak in extra songs I know I've left out lots of stuff that I can't live without and thankfully I don't have to...that being said, for the list-lovers among you, is my Top 50 songs, in no particular order except for my first entry which is my #1: 1. Joni Mitchell - Hejira 2. Yes - Siberian Khatru 3. Stevie Wonder - Golden Lady 4. Thin Lizzy - The Boys Are Back In Town 5. The OJays - For The Love Of Money 6. Sugarloaf - Green-Eyed Lady 7. Brook Benton - Rainy Night In Georgia 8. Otis Redding - (Sittin On) The Dock of The Bay 9. Bruce Springsteen - Kittys Back 10. Bob Dylan - Youre Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go 11. War - All Day Music 12. Rickie Lee Jones - Traces Of The Western Slope 13. John Mayer - No Such Thing 14. The Band - Acadian Driftwood 15. Jeff Buckley - Last Goodbye 16. Lenny Welch - Since I Fell For You 17. Little Feat - Day Or Night 18. Lucinda Williams - Metal Firecracker 19. The Beatles - Paperback Writer 20. Meshell Ndegeocello - Loyalty 21. Al Green - Lets Stay Together 22. Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit 23. XTC - Scarecrow People 24. Marshall Tucker Band - 24 Hours At A Time 25. Led Zeppelin - No Quarter 26. Dead Kennedys - Stars And Stripes of Corruption 27. Pink Floyd - Us and Them 28. Aretha Franklin - Day Dreaming 29. The Marcels - Blue Moon 30. Bachman-Turner Overdrive - Let It Ride 31. The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil 32. Bonnie Raitt - I Cant Make You Love Me 33. Tom Waits - Please Call Me Baby 34. Ani Difranco - Pulse 35. Loggins & Messina - Move On 36. The Left Banke - Walk Away Renee 37. Harry Nilsson - Jump Into The Fire 38. Grand Funk Railroad - Closer To Home 39. Neil Young - Cowgirl In The Sand 40. Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode 41. Traffic - Low Spark Of High-Heeled Boys 42. The Who - Wont Get Fooled Again 43. P.M. Dawn - Soncheynne 44. The Replacements - I Will Dare 45. Wall Of Voodoo - Ring Of Fire 46. Pearl Jam - Evenflow 47. Prince -I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man 48. Steely Dan - Bodhisattva 49. The Doors - Riders On The Storm 50. They Might Be Giants - Dont Lets Start Bob NP: REM, "Fireplace" (wait - nothing from REM on my list?....Arrrghh, I despise what you've put me through Satanic Evian - I rebuke you demon spirit!!) Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:24:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: (NJC) Fraudulent emails from "eBay" Lots of those scams going out from so called banks as well... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:26:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC My Top 50 Bob Muller wrote: > > 12. Rickie Lee Jones - Traces Of The Western Slope > I'd be curious to know what it is you like about this song. It's one I've never been able to warm up to. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:27:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The blight, the dance and all that I love hejira & the opening chords especially are so gorgeous... I think it was catherine who said it was trance like, meditative... I agree- that is its charm... joni didn't write a lot of hooky music... these days in the world of mainstream pop music its all about the BIG hook... the BIG chorus etc... sometimes it works & sometimes I such a manufactured sound... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:37:17 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: A step back in time... Could someone repost this or forward to me? I accidentally deleted the transcription. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:26 AM To: Doug Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: A step back in time... Doug wrote: <"Lots of people in the business are financialy comfortable but artisically unfulfilled, like The Monkees."> Hey Doug - thanks a googleplex for spending the hours it took to do this. As I'm utterly fascinated with her early period I drank this article up like Momma's milk. Awesome, and this writer really saw who Joni was, and it also amazed me how the things she said then were so consistent with things she said later. And since they were one of my fave 60's Pop bands, I love that she mentions the Monkees - even if it's not in the most flattering light. Coincidentally, the article I posted a couple days ago lumps LOTC in with a Nesmith LP, and of course we also know that Stephen Stills would have been a Monkee in place of Peter Tork except his teeth were too crooked. I'm glad things worked out the way they did. The only thing better than this article would be a recording of the show to listen to as I read it, so please send one to my mailbox, willya? ;~) Bob NP: Dinah Washington, "Don't Go To Strangers" (vocal upfront, orchestra in the back, as it should be) Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:19:52 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: A step back in time... Thanks to all those who forwarded the original post. I was going to see if it needed to be added to the JMDL library--probably my favorite resource on the web site, but, as usual, Les is right on top of things: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1235 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Is There an Archive in the House? and now the MGVal post I've been looking for forever --- Deb Messling wrote: > It's not foolproof, but I use Google. For example, > if I want to find my > own posts, I might do a search like this: > > joni messling site:smoe.org > > I retrieved 617 results - that's scary! Thanks to you, Ms Messling, Madame Librarian, and this particular method of searching, I have now FOUND the famous MGVal post that I had been searching for for a LONG time - so a big hug and a slobbery kiss go out to you, my friend! All previous search techniques had proven fruitless but using your particular method found it within a matter of seconds. (Using the keywords "mgval beloved site:smoe.org") And I post it here because it is a thought that has stayed with me for a LONG time and is one of the things I most remember about MG, a person I never even met, but who influenced me profoundly (OK, I try, but maybe I don't succeed) to try to be a much kinder person than I usually am (much kinder? Ha! anything would be an improvement!). And Les mentioned that it would have been MG's birthday just a few weeks ago, so here's a belated happy birthday to MG wherever she may be. This post evokes MG's wisdom and sense of humour, which always went hand in hand and it goes all the way back to the year 2000: - - --- MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > Within the department I supervise, being nice and > kind is a mandatory job > requirement. I try to offer tips on "how to be nice" > during the weekly > meetings that I have once a month. One of the best > tips I've used is the > "beloved" technique. Which means to view the other > person as your "beloved;" > someone you know and love and understand. > > My example was that if you are being cut off in > traffic, instead of allowing > road rage to build and fester, imagine that driver > is your grandmother who > just got hit with a nasty wave of diarrhea and > veered off to get to a rest > room. If that was the case, you'd be a little more > tolerant of the situation > and be able to proceed ahead a bit more peacefully. > > Now, this doesn't mean that you turn into an all > accepting doormat. It > doesn't make excuses for boorish, thoughtless or > dangerous behavior. It DOES > mean that you try and remember that surface actions > can tell you nothing > about what's beneath. I believe that this balance > allows one to approach a > potentially hostile situation with peace. > > We seem to have more tolerance for the people whom > we intimately love than > with the nameless stranger. I believe that > practicing the "beloved" > techniques helps to put a face to that nameless and > "force" us to remember > that, as Bugs Bunny once said, "he sure is ugly now, > but he was somebody's > baby once." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:13:29 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Coyote's diary (a bit of Joni content in this extract), njc Bob Dylan holds the power to divide the JMDL but I'm always glad to see BC (Bob Content). As a story teller, he only has one peer in his generation. heh heh Thanks for posting some excerpts from Sam Shephard's "Rolling Thunder Logbook". I read it decades ago and gave it away in a JoniFest drawing. It's great to revisit Shepard's sharp writing and keen observations. Lama np: The Flatlanders doing their "alt country" thing on our singer-songwriter station, WNKU. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:21:44 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} A visit to the page at Ebay bears the following information: "The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale." A win for the good guys. Thanks to all of you who reported this seller to Ebay. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:04 PM To: JMDL Subject: Hmmm, this item looks familiar The 2004 Jonifest DVD Giveaway: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4072950166&fromMakeTrack= true Bob NP: Neil, "After The Gold Rush" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:54:02 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: A step back in time... Hey Doug, Thanks for typing out that review. I'm amazed to see how much self-knowlege she displayed in 1968 and how clearheaded she was about her budding career. It's also interesting to see that from the very beginning she felt an urgent need to protect her artisitic integrity. And protect it she did. I'd love to speak to someone who has memories to share of her performances from those days. 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Free-flowing songs stamped indelibly with the soul of an artist, and sent winging on the voice of a girl who says "Music is hungry for the individual." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC My Top 50, now RLJ's Traces of the Western Slopes Mark or Travis wrote: Sure thing, Mark...in a word - everything. But since that doesn't move you any closer to a sense of my appreciation of it, I'll take a lengthier approach. It's 8 minutes long, which doesn't in and of itself mean anything, but in this case it sets it up as a song to be reckoned with; a Paprika Plains mini-symphony of kinds. Rickie spent a lot of time with Tom Waits, was obviously influenced by Laura Nyro, and this song is like a love-child between the two powerhouse songwriter-composers, the soulful and esoteric qualities of Nyro married with the jazz-bohemia lyrical qualities of Waits. And anybody who doesn't see the value of a good producer just has to listen to this track and listen in wonder at the juxtaposition of the different sounds as they are assembled by Russ Titelman & Lenny Waronker, simply amazing work - like in Joni's mini-symphonies, the silences are just as important (if not more so) than the cacophonies, and the way the song segues and glides between its different sections is seamless. The first "movement" of the opus begins with a soft, subtle piano and then at the 12-second mark there's the James Jamerson-like Motownish bass riff that is the signature hook of the song and establishes a bizarre off-center syncopation, soon being joined by other percussion, horns, and other colors, winding their way in and around Sal Bernardi's and Rickie's beat poetry, trading off a series of images that may mean one thing, may mean another and allow the listener to go where he or she wants. Then around the 2:15 mark, the REAL Nyro-ish part kicks in, almost a whole separate song: I lied to my angel so I could take you downtown I'd lie to anybody there was nobody else around And I know what people say about me But I lied to my angel and now he can't find me Steady and soulful and anchored, much more directly synchopated than the airy intro section, but then it segues again into yet another musical section: I'm sorry I saw him I saw him Laughing I could hear them Laughing Alive I could hear them E. A. Poe And Johnny Johnson If you dial in They're calling from the Western Slope Who's the thin thread of light That keeps you strangled in the scenery That follows my voice - can you see me? Then follow my voice even airier & looser than the start (this song, like so much of Joni's work, doesn't follow any pre-set convention but rather just goes where it wants to, yet within it's free-form looseness is musically incredibly tight) in the pattern of the beginning, then goes through the same cycle of lyrics, and the distinction between the tightness & structure of the musicians and Rickie's scat-like vocal is really nice. And again we get the bass hook...bum ba da ba da BOOM, which brings it back to where we were. At the 7:00 mark, the closing movement begins - a scat-chant that Rickie does while a trumpet solos, percussion comes in and out, and then all fades out and boom it's done. Now lyrically, what any of it means is anybody's guess - I never gave it a lot of thought, it just reads like beat poetry and the looseness of the lyrical images fits the meandering musical patterns. I don't know if any of that helps...it's an ambitious piece that hits the targets as far as I'm concerned. Really & truly though I could have picked any number of RLJ songs, but this one to me is just something different, a song so complex in its scope that nobody else would have ever come up with it. Bob NP: Ani, "Evolve" 4/7/04 Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:01:59 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Firefox as a (possible) better browser choice Today I managed to get a nasty spyware dll (sp.dll) file that has attached itself to my work computer's registry, and, many after hours and $30, I still can't delete it. Everytime I open Internet Explorer, I get a virus alert from Norton, and then my default browser page changes to something garbage that I don't want. Worse, I then cannot access my Yahoo mail and who knows what else? I'm not hip on fiddling too much with my registry because this is, afterall, my work computer (not that I would like to mess with my home computer's registry either), so I decided to take a chance and install Firefox as my default browser. So far, so good. There are a few things about it that I'm not used to (I've been using it only for about an hour), and for some reason I can't access the font controls on Yahoo Mail, but I can live without those for now (or maybe forever). Anyhow, if any of you are interested in trying Firefox, you can visit http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=user/register&r=68928 and do so. Apparently I get some sort of "credit" if you use the link above, but I'm not so much about getting credit as I am about getting away from all the things that can go wrong with Microsoft products. (I don't know what the "credit" is good toward, anyway; Karma?) I don't think you really have to sign up at Firefox; you can click on the "Get Firefox" button and access the free download area. Speaking of Microsoft annoyances, Mark Morford wrote a wonderful column in yesterday's San Franciso Chronicle. I know you Mac users will appreciate it. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/02/04/notes020405.DTL Lori, happy with Gmail and maybe with Firefox too P.S. - Anyone know how to get the darned sp.dll file out of my registry?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:08:35 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} > "The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available > for sale." > > A win for the good guys. Thanks to all of you who reported this seller to > Ebay. I still want to know the name of the yahoo who had the cojones to list that!!! Lori, REALLY hoping whoever it is isn't a member of the JMDL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:09:22 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} -- sorry ... ... for forgetting the N*JC tag. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:22:47 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: The 2004 Jonifest DVD Giveaway Hi, Richard, that's good news, indeed! I don't understand any music lover trying to profit from it! This compilation... I must chime in. I've just watched it for the first time tonight... having a Wonderful time! Yes I know I could have get it last September, but I've just broke with Visa at this time... now some kind lister has seeded it in acousticharmonies (that's acceptable, isn't it?), and since yesterday I treasure it in my home. One thing we don't tell enough: how wonderful Joni is singing harmonies! The way she weaves her voice doing backing vocals (oh yes her magical voice!) or in duets like these with Johnny Cash... This is such a nice compilation! I don't remember who put it together... And yes, the comedy bit about the Grammy: it's so f=ck#ng sympton that among four jewels, that OliviaNJ could win, don' you think? well... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano PS: ...back to lurkdom again: I'm feeling so lazy to write in english, lately... must be the winter's weight. PSS: Patti, please, viens 'a la France cet 'ete' NP: Just Like this Train, UCLA, 22 May 1988 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:30:19 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: RE: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lori > Fye > Enviado el: domingo, 06 de febrero de 2005 2:09 > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} > I still want to know the name of the yahoo who had the cojones to > list that!!! > > Lori, > REALLY hoping whoever it is isn't a member of the JMDL Hi! I must know it, too: I'll send his name to the [moderators group] and he'll be banned like dirt dust from any trading group... radically yours: Emiliano NP: Hejira, UCLA, 1988 What a Number One song!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:27:46 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} -- sorry ... NJC to be safe I'm not clear what does and does not qualify for Joni content--the fact that someone was selling as a bootleg a video of Joni appearances in film and tv that was only for giveaway or trade seems like Joni content to me. I think. I'm confused. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:09 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} -- sorry ... ... for forgetting the N*JC tag. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:32:32 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} -- sorry ... NJC to be safe > I'm not clear what does and does not qualify for Joni content--the fact that > someone was selling as a bootleg a video of Joni appearances in film and tv > that was only for giveaway or trade seems like Joni content to me. > > I think. I'm confused. Richard, I think *your* post contained Joni content, minimal though it may have been. My reply, however, did not. That's why I apologized for omitting the tag. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:33:47 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC My Top 50, now RLJ's Traces of the Western Slopes Bob Muller wrote: > Mark or Travis wrote: > I've never been able to warm up to.> > > Sure thing, Mark...in a word - everything. But since that doesn't > move you any closer to a sense of my appreciation of it, I'll take a > lengthier approach. Thank you for your excellent analysis, Bob. I will have to get out 'Pirates' and listen to it again. Maybe it was the words, maybe it's the sound of Sal Bernardi's voice. Dunno. I also think that the transfer to cd that I have for 'Pirates' is not very good. There doesn't seem to be a lot of depth to the sound. Anyway I find I don't play 'Pirates' very much and I know it's considered by many to be her masterpiece. Something about it falls just short of the mark for me and I'm not sure what it is. It certainly has several of Rickie's songs that I love on it. But I tend to like 'Flying Cowboys' better as a whole. I sure would like to see a really good remastering job done on 'Pirates'. My copy of Rickie's first eponymous album sounds a lot better than 'Pirates' for some reason. Some of the early transfers of analog recordings to cd were pretty lousy, imo. It's kind of a pain to shell out good money for new copies when the remasters finally do come out but I find it's usually worth it. 'Court and Spark' is an excellent example as is 'Dog Eat Dog'. But what with SACD and audio dvd, I'm not sure how many more copies of my favorites I'm willing to buy. And then there's the talk that the cd will soon be obsolete. What's a music lover to do? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC My Top 50, now RLJ's Traces of the Western Slopes Mark or Travis wrote: As would I, but that's not likely to happen. I don't think it was very successful. I recall seeing it as a cutout LP mere months after it came out - I was dumbfounded! In any regard, my CD sounds just fine although it's one that I picked up when I was a member of the BMG music club and as you know, I'm one that thinks this is her best work, followed closely by 'The Evening of My Best Day'. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Becuz" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:05:32 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Jonifest Ebay update was [ Hmmm, this item looks familiar} --- Emiliano wrote: >> I must know it, too: I'll send his name to the > [moderators group] and he'll > be banned like dirt dust from any trading group... > > radically yours: > Emiliano > Emiliano, these people tend to use different names on E-Bay than they would elsewhere. It would be difficult to know who he really is. He (or she maybe) has his feedback set to "private" so you can't read what people have said about him, although the ratings (+,- or neutral) can be seen. He also has a comment telling people not to leave any negative feedback unless they've bid on something, which suggests, to me, that other people have outed him for selling boots that he no doubt got for free through file-sharing groups. He has a bunch of other so-called "rare" stuff (DVDs) for sale from other artists that don't look like commercial releases to me. It's slimy and chintzy. It's not a crime along the lines of murder or child molestation, but it is scummy because, imo anyway, it's a breach of faith to take something that is freely traded and shared by people who love music, and then turn around and make a profit from it, and I doubt the profit is even that great an amount. If there's anything I despise more than a slimeball, it's a cheap slimeball. Patooey! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:24:29 +1100 (EST) From: "Melissa Gibbs" Subject: Article in Sydney Morning Herald - several Joni references Apologies if one of my Australian colleagues has posted this already (I'm on digest). There was an article in Saturday's Sydney Morning Herald about kd land and Canadian writers and musicians. Although primarily about kd lang, it includes several Joni references. Weblink is: http://www.smh.com.au/news/Music/North-of-the-border/2005/02/04/1107476783830.html Melissa in Sydney, on her way to a swim (it's a divine 28 degrees celcius!) 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