From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #52 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 4 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 052 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC - was Roberta now curling irons [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hejira a blight [Catherine McKay ] Re: LOTC review in latest (Jan/Feb) issue of Magnet [Bob Muller ] (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! [Smurf ] Re: (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! [Michael Paz ] Re: Giving Fred Simon his due, njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Roberta Flack (now NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Roberta Flack/Jen Stills/Ray LaMontagne [JRMCo1@aol.com] while traveling in some vehicle [mags h ] RE: Hejira a blight....and another thing. ["mike pritchard" Subject: Re: NJC - was Roberta now curling irons Right. They are like today's permanents. They can straighten curly hair, or curl straight hair! > And I'm not usually one to split hairs, but I'm quite certain that the > iron > our mothers and sisters got white-hot on the stove-top was called a > "straightening comb," not a "curling iron." That's what we called 'em > down in Texas, > least ways. Ya'll. :-) > > -Julius > > > Julius honey, curling irons are a girlie thing so i'll try to set you > straight. Back in those days those things WERE also used to straighten > hair. We also used huge, I mean HUGE rollers with Dippity-Do (anyone > remember that?) to straighten our curly hair. It sounds strange - > rolling to straighten - but it worked. Then in the '80s perms (see Joni > in the WTRF songbook) were in and we all wanted curly hair, hence the > "curling iron". > > And since you mentioned Texas, I heard today on the news that Kinky > Friedman (former country western singer) has announced his candidacy for > governor of Texas and will nominate Willie Nelson as head of the Texas > Rangers. I swear I'm not making it up. > > Sheeit! Well I guess if California can be run by actors, Texas can be > run country singers. Yee ha! > > Willie for President I say! > > love yall, db ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: michael omalley votes Joni on the cbc radio and some other Joni news good for you Michael...I heard your name mentioned as I was leaving the doctor's office today....go Both Sides Now! beat out Suzanne...sorry to all of you Cohen fans..but really!!!! No contest according to the ceeb ;-) and speaking of doing things in the name of Joni, well, I couldn't help myself..as I was waiting to see the doc, I was looking at Macleans 100, Commemorative Issue...Leaders and Dreamers, Canada's greatest Innovators and How They Changed The World...well of course there's a great b&w photograph of Joni , some Joni and others content inside an article by Shanda Deziel, entitled Finding a Voice..Ive not seen this photo of Joni ... and I plan to send it to Les, as soon as I feel better. Somehow the magazine made its way into my bag... ;-) unless of course, this is in the database and I havent come across it just yet. Mags....going to eat even more chocolate :~P Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:31:30 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: trio, njc Kate wrote: I hope to record one of our live shows & make it available before too long Hi Kate! Please do! I can hardly wait to hear ya'll. Yes!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:51:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: LOTC review in latest (Jan/Feb) issue of Magnet Bob Muller wrote: > Picked this magazine up a couple weeks ago in my my local record store, it's an alternative music magazine called Magnet. Lo & behold, on page 114 is an article called "Escape to LA: Randy Newman, Joni Mitchell, David Crosby". They review 6 records from early 70's singer-songwriters: > > Randy Newman - 12 Songs > David Crosby - If I could Only Remember My Name > Joni - LOTC > Michael Nesmith & The First National Band - Loose Salute > Harry Nilsson - Nilsson Schmilsson > Jacksone Browne - Jackson Browne I would add one more: Danny O'Keefe - Breezy Stories > Here's what they say about LOTC: > Mitchell had two gentle misfires before Ladies Of The Canyon Most songwriters would die for misfires like that... > and the jazz obsession that would mar her later albums (which always seem to be quietly playing in crappy used bookstores) I must be going to the wrong crappy used bookstores- the only thing marring her "jazz" albums, IMO, is the annoying quacking of Shorter on soprano sax. Time to duck. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:12:03 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Roberta Flack (now NJC) Sherelle Smith wrote: > I will look for "Chapter Two". I only have the Best of Roberta Flack > so I am not sure what songs are on the CD. I have 2 Roberta Flack cds, 'First Take' and 'Killing Me Softly'. I would be glad to burn you copies, Sherelle. Email me privately with your snail mail address if you want them. I am more familiar with 'Killing Me Softly' as I owned the vinyl of that one back in the 70s. I always loved Roberta's rendition of Janis Ian's 'Jesse' which is on 'Killing Me Softly.' Tying in with another recent thread, Roberta did a lovely, very original sounding version of Cohen's 'Suzanne' on that record and on 'First Take' she did 'Hey, That's No Way to Say Goodbye.' I think 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' is one of the most beautiful singles from the 70s. There's something about her slow, tender, sensuous, soulful vocal that reminds me of Billie on that one. I would love to hear Sherelle singing this song. I just know she's going to be dynamite in this part. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hejira a blight What is it about Joni that brings out the expressions like artsy, pretentious, pseudo-this and pseudo-that? It's so frustrating when critics do that. They just don't get it, do they? Jealous, I guess. Les, your Hejira post was brilliant, and you do NOT look like a miserable git! So GIT - outta da box! --- McMillan Brad wrote: > Les; > You said: > "The song is a melancholic essay on love, love > failed and the flight > therefrom, life and with just a dusting of fatalism > to bouy it all along" > > Boy, that sums it up. The whole album, I have always > thought, was the Hejira > she named it. I read one review that panned her for > pseudo-intellectualizing, and having an inflated > ego, referring to her > flight from life using the term for the flight of > Mohammed. They even had > something ugly to say about the cover referring to > her "artsy beret". That > is one of my favorite photos of her period. > I think Joni intimidated people in her industry when > she shed the flower > child image and presented herself as a grown up > woman who could compose and > play rings around most. > As to the music on Hejira, it is consistent in that, > as you say, she > explores her contradictory feelings about men and > relationships. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: LOTC review in latest (Jan/Feb) issue of Magnet Randy Remote wrote: Ain't THAT the truth. Like Mark said earlier, this writer just didn't understand, and I think that shows by labeling her first two releases as misfires. That is to say that if they were regarded as "folk" records they were a bit off-center. The melodies and compositional structure are much more complex than that. Like they say, so few geniuses are recognized in their own time. Whoa - I'm not going there, but I'll repeat the fact that I'm nutty for Michael Brecker's work on Shadows & Light - I'm in awe every time I hear it. Bob NP: The Travellers, "The Circle Game" Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Victory! - BSN voted back on track Michael O'Malley wrote: Awesome Michael, and how cool that you got to rant on the air as well. Joni would be proud at the devotion of her fans. It might have been Mack & I that pushed it over the top. Keep us posted... Bob NP: Prince, "Tangerine" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:26:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! hell, i loved your resume. it is very well written. may i show it to clients? it is a resume model they've never seen. xoxo wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:47:38 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! *W* wrote: > hell, > > i loved your resume. it is very well written. may i > show it to clients? Wally, this is the INTERNET for crying out loud. You can do whatever you want with Hell's resume. I've been showing people pictures of her family for months now and pretending that they're my relatives. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:20:08 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! EVEN......the dingo????????? Paz > *W* wrote: > >> hell, >> >> i loved your resume. it is very well written. may i >> show it to clients? > > Wally, this is the INTERNET for crying out loud. > > You can do whatever you want with Hell's resume. I've > been showing people pictures of her family for months > now and pretending that they're my relatives. > > --Smurf > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:15:09 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Giving Fred Simon his due, njc Hi Jim, Thanks so much for your sweet letter. I'm very happy I could make Angie very happy. But now you don't have a copy of Dreamhouse! All best, Fred In an email dated Thu, 3 2 2005 5:15:15 am GMT, "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" writes: >Fred, > >Last year, I lent one of your discs, "Dreamhouse", to our telemarketing >manager at work. She's not someone who buys music but she held on to that >disc for almost a month. When she returned it, she said she really liked >it. > >Angie quit last week. She's going back to school to become a certified >massage therapist. As a going away gift I gave her my "Dreamhouse". When >she got it for her own collection, she gushed again. > >Fred, you've made Angie van Iden, a woman with a new career, very happy. > >All the best, >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:24:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Roberta Flack (now NJC) Fun when we get going on some of these musical tangents... a couple of years ago I booked jen stills (steve's daughter) for some of the gigs I was doing alongside promoting some of my fav up & coming artists- she is hugely influenced by robert flack... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:47:27 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Roberta Flack/Jen Stills/Ray LaMontagne Funny you should mention Jen Stills vis a vis Roberta Flack, Kate. I have been thinking about her on the basis of her collaboration with Ray LaMontagne on his debut CD "Trouble." It is my understanding that Jennifer Stills appeared with Ray LaMontagne on January 19, 2005 at The Bowery Ballroom in NYC, too. Here's a bit I found on the relationship from a Wisconsin online newspaper: "LaMontagne's past is the dream of every folk singer trying to pass himself off as the genuine article. He was born into a family of six children from various fathers and traveled around the country throughout his younger years, not because of his mother's whims, but out of necessity. He lived in tents and cars, barely making it out of high school because he was always an outsider. It took a song by Stephen Stills to make him into a musician. LaMontagne credits Still's "Treetop Flyer" from the 1991 album Stills Alone for his conversion from a factory laborer to a folk singer. Following the revelation of Stills, Ray sought other musicians of his ilk, finding Dylan, Joni Mitchell and Neil Young, among others. Trouble sounds like those artists have been gathered together and distilled in a finely crafted, simple and beautiful debut collection from a new artist with no place to go but up. "Narrow Escape," four tracks into Trouble, is another indication of LaMontagne's early accomplishment. With guest vocals by Jennifer Stills and gentle brushes of cymbals in the background, it is the tale of two lovers escaping the law. LaMontagne's takes his time on the harmonica, drawing out the somber sound while Jennifer makes the song into a effective eulogy." - -Julius In a message dated 2/3/05 9:28:01 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: > Fun when we get going on some of these musical tangents... a couple of > years > ago I booked jen stills (steve's daughter) for some of the gigs I was doing > alongside promoting some of my fav up & coming artists- she is hugely > influenced by robert flack... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: while traveling in some vehicle it took a lot of traveling in some vehicle for me to truly "get" hejira...when i first entered the university of Joni (jmdl) back in 2000, i had never heard it. I remember seeing that beret and thinking oh god she's gone all jazz on us. (gasp, tis true). no worries, i've joined the converted ;-) alas and alack, i concur with fair Les of Woodstock fame's hejirical essays...if my head was a little clearer, I'd do the clip art and say where your words resonate, but you know honey, every little thing you say is magic ;-) depressing, not at all...just a way for me to express what i've felt for a very long time... Les, Ive also been listening to that CD a lot, lately, love the synchronicity. adored fan, Mags Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:34:29 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Hejira a blight....and another thing. >>So there I was initially glowing in the glory of her presence only to have the guts kicked out of me by this harpy on the stage. Who WAS this woman?<< I've said it many times before but I'll say it again: I consider the Hissing-to-Mingus period joni's best work, with Hejira my personal favourite. Therefore I completely agree with most of what Les Ross says about Hejira. His analysis is spot-on (i.e. exactly the same as mine ;-) ). However, I have to ask him why he chose to refer to Joni as a 'harpy', at best an unfortunate expression. What was it exactly that evoked the 'harpy' image? The Medusa-like curls?, the loud music (loud enough to be 'cruel and violent', normal characteristics of harpies everywhere)? Isn't there a wee bit of sexist language here? mike in barcelona np Laura Nyro - Eli... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:34:29 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Hejira a blight....and another thing. >>So there I was initially glowing in the glory of her presence only to have the guts kicked out of me by this harpy on the stage. Who WAS this woman?<< I've said it many times before but I'll say it again: I consider the Hissing-to-Mingus period joni's best work, with Hejira my personal favourite. Therefore I completely agree with most of what Les Ross says about Hejira. His analysis is spot-on (i.e. exactly the same as mine ;-) ). However, I have to ask him why he chose to refer to Joni as a 'harpy', at best an unfortunate expression. What was it exactly that evoked the 'harpy' image? The Medusa-like curls?, the loud music (loud enough to be 'cruel and violent', normal characteristics of harpies everywhere)? Isn't there a wee bit of sexist language here? mike in barcelona np Laura Nyro - Eli... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #52 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)